Jocko Podcast 427: Work Hard and Be Useful. With Arnold Schwarzenegger.

this is Joo podcast number 427 with Echo Charles and me Joo willink good evening Eko good evening I bet you and I have a lot in common we're not the strongest smartest or richest people we know we're not the fastest or most connected we're not the best looking or most talented we don't have the best genetics but what we do have is something a lot of those other people will never have the will to work if there's one unavoidable truth in this in this world it's that there is no substitute for putting in the work

there is no shortcut or growth hack or magic pill that can get you around the hard work of doing your job well of winning something you care about or of making your dreams come true people have tried to cut corners and Skip steps in this process for as long as hard work has been hard eventually those people either fall behind or get left in the dust because working your ass off is the only thing that works 100% of the time for 100% of the things worth achieving work works that is the bottom line no matter

what you do no matter who you are my entire life has been shaped by that single idea and that right there is an excerpt from a book called be useful seven tools for Life by Arnold Schwarzenegger and if you don't know anything about Arnold Schwarzenegger well he won Mr Universe bodybuilding competition at age 20 then won Mr Olympia seven times he brought bodybuilding to the masses through his victories and through his film Pumping Iron he then took over Hollywood with hit movies like Conan the the Barbarian the Terminator the entire Terminator series Commando Predator twins

Total Recall True Lies The Expendables and dozens of other movies he's written articles he's written books he was the chairman of the president's Council on physical fitness and sports he created after school Allstars to help kids stay out of trouble he helped grow and Inspire and coach in the Special Olympics he's built several businesses he served two terms as a my Governor here in California he has a new Netflix documentary series about his life he's been called the Austrian Oak schwarzy and the governator and that was the intro that I had planned Echo Charles yeah

to use when we got to sit down with Arnold Schwarzenegger but as he showed up in his office which is kind of like a little mini Museum a little History Museum and when he showed up we all just sat down we started talking and at some point I looked over you and said let's hit record so we hit record and the podcast kicked off so this is a conversation with myself Eko Charles and Arnold Schwarzenegger some good lessons to learn because you never know what happens at what time we already missed 10 minutes of history

but this is where you've heard of any Liber Woods right yeah so he she's in a a very very famous photographer who became very famous during the 70s when she did all the covers of the F most famous musicians for roling stone yeah and then she you know so she was in a on the exclusive contract MH for Yan winner who owned the magazine was the publisher great guy and um and so I got to know her because she came down to South Africa in 1975 for Rolling Stone to take pictures at the Mr Olympia

competition that I won mhm and she photographed us and photographed behind the scenes and and everything like this her expertise was not to propose us or anything it was just to catch shots that were behind the scenes but just spectacular combinations of things just just had an eye and um but anyway her her strength was and the photographs that were always the best when she said I'm done so you'll be photographing I remember we were doing these photo shoots with Dary Parton in Nashville and then we did another photo shoot in New York at a

studio that's great I'm done so she puts the camera away and I walk over and I said said and D B says say let me see those biceps and so I'm hitting a bicep shot and and and any liw say oh is great this is great I I I just quickly go over there this is just for myself but it's just go over go behind her and do the double bicep again and darly you just go with your arms back so it looks like they're your biceps and uh and this is really great and she

this little camera not the big one the hustle blood or the roxs another just the little one like her and this is this is funny this is oh god oh that makes me laugh this just for myself that was the shot that was stand on the [ __ ] cover would it just because people look at this look at this put it in front of the L so they have it exactly that's the one right there yeah Bo exactly but anyway so this this is so it's it's it's an odd yeah it's an odd to

find the moment mhm you know and and everything and and and she was an expert the same in South Africa when she was down there I mean she says can I come into your room I was in there naked right I said yeah sure and uh so she came in and she was photographing away and now you see my big book The Arnold book all those ass sharts she didn't do front stuff or anything like that she would she would not do that but I mean just shots that you get away with and um taste

for and stuff like that and so she just was always there and uh Franco and I and all the guys really included her and um and she was just really good in infiltrating and getting the shots you know she was just an expert in that which is weird now because right now every single person has a camera running all the time in their phone they're always taking pictures of everything it's like it's almost oversaturated well now now everyone does it and it's a different bam the quality is not the same and all of that stuff

Andy Liber witz will always be Andy Liber witz I remember she came with Andy waro to uh our wedding to hanis port and uh both of them Andy W and her were taking pictures there at the wedding kind of you know not kind of behind the scenes stuff and just what they saw and they were fantastic photographs so they're just very talented there's no one today that would go and will be able to be at the same wedding and get the same shots you know with the same kind of a layouts and stuff like that

it was just it was just they always knew exactly when to pull out that little because she had this little like a camera where she didn't have to do anything it just and and so did Andy wo it's just like this but a lot of times not looking through it because the looking through it means I'm serious about this Photograph no it was like any would just have his camera here this a good idea you just do this and you know he say he's never going to catch anything here how how you going to go

and see anything if he doesn't look through and so he don't take it seriously but the fact is he he took great shots and he had always this tape recorder there all the time hand one hand the tape recorder and on the other hand you know the camera so he just could record his entire life at all times I me think about that so this is weird [ __ ] for us for us but I mean this were kind of like the original podcasters you know that would get this stuff out there somehow because you

the magazine the interview magazine and they he and you know he he loved me and he he thought the world of bodybuilding the whole idea of creating yourself and molding yourself he was fascinated by that not to do it to be an artist on your own body as he always put it he says you know I'm an artist on the canvas but you're an artist on your body you're shaping your body like you you're using dumbbells and BBL and machines as if you use they they use clay and you know different tools to and shape

the clay to make a sculpture so he was fascinated about all this stuff yeah that's not too many people have Annie lioz and Andy Warhol at their wedding taking pictures that's no absolutely yeah and I mean we we had everybody there you know it was like it was amazing um some Oprah Winfrey was at that time still a rising star um and so she had her show uh in Chicago and um she went from Baltimore to Chicago and then she had her show there and kind of became very popular there but she was a rising

star so she was a good friend of Maria's and she came to the wedding and so there was all kinds B Waters and all this kind of people a lot of people that are dead now already you know I mean this just shows you your age the people from your wedding are wiped other but and it was it was a it was a really great wedding they they really have done a great job uh in hand is support Maria's parents and her relatives they know how to do something like that yeah well that's like American

royalty right yeah yeah but they have taste have really good taste you know with with parties and events and and then they have such an such a rich kind of a friends mhm not rich in as far as money but Rich meaning such a variety of different people from politics from the nonprofit sector from the profit sector private sector from every sector it was just and then from domestic and foreign and everything so I mean it was just people from all over the world and from various different sectors just you know we had like 500

some people there it was crazy I didn't I didn't I didn't recognize how of done I have to say and did you look around at some point being thinking to yourself like what am I doing here it was nothing it was like I mean I I I felt great that because I said myself I have such a my people that I invited they were from entertainment they were from bodybuilding they were from my past so it was not as kind of Rich of a variety of different people than they knew and so I think that

together with my T type of people that I knew and the kind of people that they knew it made it really the best kind of mix and it was fantastic it was really fantastic I mean I enjoyed literally every minute of it of that wedding I had a such a great time because they just did such a great job MH yeah that's that's a amazing to be sitting here with you and having uh you know I watched all that from the outside you know this is somebody that grew up here and again like for me

that was the merging of Two Worlds right the sort of the royalty of that family and then you and what you had done at that time it was it was pretty amazing to watch from the outside and we don't have kings and queens in America you know but yeah exactly we had you I guess um so normally when we do these things uh I like especially when I have a book something like this that that that you wrote I'll I like to read some of the some of the book and kind of introduce some of

the topics and then maybe talk about them in a little bit more detail that's sort of what I would normally do yeah yeah whatever you can mix it up you can do whatever you want yeah but if you start talking we're going to listen that's no no just I mean I yeah you know I it's I never like to look back mhm because it's just there's really not much in it for me right it's just I always like to look forward it's kind of like do I want to look at the windshield or do I

want to look through the rear view mirror when I drive a car yeah I rather look forward because I know where I'm going then rather than always looking in the back and so that's the way it is with my life so the only time that they really think about the past is when we do an interview like that M or when I write a book like being useful or Total Recall the book that came out around 10 years ago or when we did the documentary for Netflix where I had to sit down like for 40

some hours and answer questions so that's when I had to think back or when they say can you get those photographs for the so now I have to go through my 100 plus photo albums and get them all scanned and then go through all that so that's when I really the only time I think back um because other than that I never do it's not it's just by Nature it's it's not like um I have something against it just that I don't feel comfortable I feel like it's a waste of time and it just doesn't

take me there you know so I never go and look at my photo albums I never look at you know kind of old letters I never think much about any of that I just I would just have a plan for tomorrow and for the next week or the next month or the next year or where I want to go that's it and they sat you down for 40 hours for that yeah yeah because what happens is is that you know they they interview you they say then I we need you for you know five sessions

four hours each MH and then afterwards you say you know God when you started talking about now you your childhood and about your father and it is that I found this fascinating can we talk some more about that can we do a whole session just on that so then they add because they find something that you said they found they didn't think about ahead of time or they didn't know and uh neither did I you know because I never think about the things except then when someone drills down on it I never paid much attention

to it and never mention it to anyone and I said I it's fascinating your father was an alcoholic I said well they didn't really call it that in Austria I said they just said that someone that got drunk once a week and came home and was like brutalizing everybody for one time and the rest of the time he was very sweet and very nice that's an alcoholic this is fascinating so how many times did he hit you how did he hit you you so then one thing became the went to the next and then all

a sudden you talk about it so uh but it's not by Nature that I even think about that or I did I think about it in a negative way right I mean I think about him in the positive way because hell if he wouldn't have treated me the way he did I would have stayed there yeah [ __ ] imagine that me having to stay in Austria and I would have been one of the regular guys over there which is fine for them but I mean it not for me I had kind of like I

was very ambitious and had big plans so that upbringing kind of made me realize I got to get away from home I got to escape to America I got to get away from all of that so it was good it was a big plus I look at it as a plus rather than a negative do you think that that that the big Ambitions came from being that in that environment where your dad was you know eh maybe not the nicest dad on some nights yeah I mean he he would beat us and he would you

know put take of his belt and and uh hit us with the belt or with with the branches you know there would would be different degrees of of punishments and all stuff um but the next day we laughed about it MH I mean not he but I mean my brother and I we laughed about it yeah I said how much did it hurt with with the when he made the when he made the branches wet that really hurt I said my ass is still s look at the the lines I have on my ass and

my brother says yeah but the belt what do you think the belt buckle he caught me on my forehead with a belt buckle got you know so people were like comparing about who had more kind of you leftovers and as far as you know kind of mocks and stuff like that yeah yeah no that that documentary was I mean they went into some awesome detail in that but yeah that idea that you had of I got to get to America you know you saw reg Park that could you just thought that's me I could do

this yeah because I mean uh I think that re Park who grew up in leits England in a factory town just like Gratz was where I grew up and uh and he made it you know he found a bodybuilding gym where he worked out some dungeon and he worked out there and hours and hours every day sweating and um that's all he had and it's all he thought about was just working out his father was telling him he has to be a businessman his mother said that they have to be a nice man and be

successful and um you know he he just I think his mother was Jewish and his father was not I think that's what it was he and uh so anyway so she was a wonderful woman I mean we visited her later on when when I became a champion we went up to visit them and to see where it all began mhm in leads and uh uh his his father was not alive anymore but his mother was and so I met her wonderful wonderful woman and U so it was it was it was really great to see

that he just to struggle and believing in himself you know kind of hours and hours of working out he made it became Mr Great Britain he became the the Britain's strongest man he was bench pressing 500b which was the record in Europe at that time and he was squaring with 600b and deadlifting at tremendous weights and all this stuff so I I admired all this the strength and all this stuff so I said was if he can do that hours and hours a day then that's exactly what I'm going to do I'm just going to

go and put the hours into it and um and off we went and trained and trained and trained and then things happen did you have did you have information about like his actual workouts yeah where' you get so there was there was a magazine that came out in 1962 just when I started working out I just started working out lifting weights and uh there was this magazine in a store that had R Park the cover and it was basically him as a Hercules just enormous not like the regular bodybuilders you know that were kind of

ripped no but he had this wide shoulders and this huge lats and big thighs and and all this and it was Hercules it was just undercover as Hercules and it said this is how M the universe became Hercules and so it actually had very little in there about how it became Hercules it talked more about how did it become Mr Universe how did he train and so I copied this I mean I couldn't copy everything because I didn't have certain machines like I didn't have a pulley machine and I didn't have a leg extension machine

I didn't have a calf machine I didn't have a leg curl machine I didn't have any of that I was just training in a weightlifting club and we were not even allowed to do body in exercises so we had to kind of like do first our regular weightlifting training and then when we were finished with that and we crossed off all the marks that we wrote down on the wall uh you know the five sets of of cleans and then then five sets of of jerks and then five sets of presses and five sets of

snatch and all the the Olympic lifting movements and did deadlift and shoulder shrugs you know they kind of pull up to get the strength in the shoulders and traps after we did all that then we were allowed to go to the ginip bar mhm and to the jups and to do some curls and to do some triceps extension as well so most of the bodybuilding itself I was actually doing it home in the weightlifting cup I was doing most the the weightlifting and the powerlifting bench breast deadlift squats and in those days there was some

powerlifting competitions where the three disciplines were bench breast uh Squat and curl oh they call it a cheating curl okay so you pick up in a the bar with the 20 with the 45lb plates on the outside and you will be crawling that as a matter of fact when I used to go to England because I I got so good at that because he was part of the powerlifting Championship so I I did that out on stage before I was posing before I do was doing my posing exhibition mhm so let say when I was

Mr Universe they invited me to England to POS at the Mr Great Britain competition and beforehand they will have me do deadlifts and some curls and I would be doing with 275 I remember a few reps curls and uh people loved all that that this deadlifting 650 PS or so then later on when I was working up with frankco over here I got all the way up to 710 in the deadlift and Franco was even better than that he was like 7:30 or so even though he only weighed 1 Lady it's crazy uh but any

so we we had a we had a great time and and and I was I was kind of copying reg Park whatever I could copy MH and it was really great because it it said three sets of incline press with dumbbells then three sets of inkland breast with a barbell well he had a rack so he could take it off the rack and England bre I didn't have a rack so we had to kind of put a board against the wall then clean the way and fall back to that incline to that abdominal board so

to speak and then we did the the incline press so we kind of improvised a little bit but it all worked out fine you know it made me stronger in cleaning and in lifting and all the stuff and uh so I trained I did this Lake workout and this calf workout and all stuff but then when I met him so I was 19 years old when I met him for the first time and he came over to England from South Africa because he lived South Africa even though he was British but he married a woman

uh in from South Africa and so he came periodically to England from South Africa and one day I was staying at my friend's house wag Benet and re Park came to visit he just arrived at 10:00 at night from from South Africa and then at 1:00 in the morning he came over to the house to work out because he had a gym down below a public gym like goes a dungeon and uh so re came over and there I met re Park my idol for the first time I was 19 years old and uh I

just won second in the Mr Universe contest literally I just two months before mhm and um I met him I worked out with him at 1: in the morning and it was like a dream come true you can imagine when you meet your idol right and so then that's when he invited me and he said listen this year he says you have to this coming year you have to win the Mr Universe contest he says I wanted with the age of 23 or whatever he was he says uh you could be the youngest Mr Universe

ever with the age of 20 he is if you win I'm going to bring you down to South Africa and you do a bunch of posing exhibitions for me make some money and that's exactly what happened you know I took this I mean as since re Park said that I could win the Mr Universe so that means I could win and so I was absolutely convinced that I'm going to win it's my year and I trained like hours and hours and hours every day and uh sure enough I won Mr Universe with the age of

20 and um I went down to South Africa that following December three months later and uh did a bunch of posing exhibitions and all that stuff and he took me around South Africa it was like fantastic and uh and that's what led us to then go to the Federation and convince the Federation to have the Mr Olympia contest eventually down there and so the ifbb which is the International Federation of bodybuilding negotiated with the South African government because no Sports International Sports were allowed down there because of a partti right and um so they negotiated

then to let the judges be mixed blacks whites colored in South Africa it there's a different category there's colored people and then there's black people got it you know and then there's Asian people and there's Indian people so there was five or six categories at that time and um so he's so Ben weeder was very adamant that there will be no competition with the ifbb if it is not mixed mhm but had to be mixed on every level mhhm so had to be the judges had to be mixed the audience had to be mixed and

the competitors have to be mixed and the sponsors have to be mixed wow so it all the categories they penciled out and there was a guy by the name of Dr quof and he was a very open-minded character because he whenever I went down for re Park to South Africa that Dr Koff who was the minister of mining of sports and of immigration he told me that I have to go to the down ships and go to the black areas and also POS and so they brought me in with cages like an animal to the

middle of town the this little black towns and they were celebrating that someone came in from the outside and visit them they were drunk they were celebrating and screaming nothing was safe and they brought me in with those cages so that not the ice they protected bottles were flying everything not to hurt me no one was trying to hurt me it was just celebrating they were just so excited about someone from the outside coming in and visiting them and paying attention to them mhm and so I would do this posing exhibition I mean it was

like an experience in a half let me tell you something I mean I I I was scared every time I went in there I it would because it was also night mhm the action was at night I mean it was like 11:00 at night we would go to these places at 1: in the morning yeah and so this is the kind of experience so R Park was responsible for getting me down to the South Africa and eventually we then had the m Olympia count this Dr kov then uh helped us to bring everyone together and

we had in prioria in the capital of South Africa we had the M Olympia in 1975 where Rolling Stone came down and then was kind of covering it they wanted to do a cover story uh which didn't end up being a cover story because chimy w super Tuesday okay and so he won in 1976 several States in a row MH and became kind of like the guy to win the Democratic Convention and eventually become president of the United States so he they decided that there was enough of a news event for him to win all

states that they bumped me off the cover and they put him on the cover which was totally fair great story that h Thompson wrote about Jimmy Carter and uh so it was it was all good it was totally fear it was a much bigger deal than I was and even though I like being on a cover I remember that this what happens every often you when you when you star they promise you cover then then no one ever can promise you cover they can say we will work hard to get you on cover like for

instance was there was Time Magazine and Newsweek they had me when when pigal came out and I think it was um was it 77 or 76 um when Gary Gilmore was shot and executed in Utah so anyways it was the first execution 76 76 late 76 right July oh July 76 okay so anyway so I was supposed to be under cover in 76 all around Pumping Iron yeah all around Pumping Iron exactly and I became kind of like this new kind of a sensation in America like a guy that with muscles that actually can talk

so there was the sensation right so so I because no bodybuilder ever hired the publicist until that time and no one wanted to talk to the Press because they were always [ __ ] up somehow so so that here I came and I had a personality and I was into the idea of selling bodybuilding and marketing it the right way since I studied that as a kid to be a marketer and to be a a a a business person and how do you kind of like communicate and launch an idea so I studied that all

the time and so when my time came I said I was now I'm going to use that in bodybuilding so we were trying to get all the covers all the presedential so there was this explosion in bodybuilding and also about you know like with Andy W and jimy wus painting me and Le Neeman painting me and me getting invited to all his party Studio 54 and uh you know hanging out with MC Jagger and know it was like it was just like this big explosion part building all a sudden was accepted and to the m

Olympia competition after the M Olympia competition at medicon Square Garden in 1974 all these actors came to the party Jack Nicholson and Warren B and alberino and Dustin hofman and all I it was like it was like bodybuilding has arrived right so there there was the big break through and it was finally you know because I just couldn't stand it anymore the stupid stuff that people would say about bodybuilding the Press not because they were just mean-spirited there was maybe a little bit there jealousy feeling inadequate around the body will they had a good body

or they had abs and muscularity but they also kind of didn't understand it so they made up [ __ ] you know they all gay you know this is a substitute for some other shortcomings they're stupid and they're narcissists and uh you're going to die early if you work on all this kind of stupid stuff so I oh there's so much to work with to kind of dispel some of those stereotypical things so that was my job then you know I I got full hard hled the end of the whole thing but I mean the

it was like the 70s was like the decade where it was the big explosion and then the 80s was of course the big explosion of then the action movies because now because of bodybuilding I got into the movies and then we did Conan the Barbarian and with Conan the Barbarian that launched my career as an actor in The nationally MH I went to every country in the world and that basically just uh promoted the [ __ ] out of it and then all of a sudden people say oh my God there's there's a guy with

the with the body and all of a sudden they gave me all this action scripts Terminator and then commander and then running man red Heath and uh True Lies and then finally I had to kind of say hey what about the comedy then that's when then twins came about in kindergarten cop and Jun and those kind of things yeah that's a I remember a term when I was a kid they would say you would get muscle bound if you lifted too much weight oh you you get muscle bound you won't be able to do anything

anymore and that was like the the negative press about lifting weights about bodybuilding that was a real thing you had to overcome yeah yeah no absolutely and and and you know it's like um athletes have proven later on that yes you could get muscle bound if you don't do your sport at the same time but that if you do weight training and you do your sport that it only can enhance your performance and we've seen it then from then on we saw the shot puts all of a sudden you know breaking records after records we

saw how much better the football players got from weightlifting and from strength training we saw how great the wresters got from all of that and we saw all the athletes all of a sudden picking up Bruce Janna I mean was before he won the Olympics in the the in in in a the Catan he uh up in Montreal I mean he was working out with W really really heavy and he was one of the first athletes that kind of had the sensitivity to understand yes if fact I combine speed with strength that can only be

helping me rather than just have speed no strength so he worked on the strength and he kept working on the speed and I mean he outperformed everybody and uh we saw then later on aventer Hol ofield was like the one of the first boxes that really got seriously into the weightlifting and then all of a sudden started beating everybody you know and uh Mike of those guys were all lifting heavy weights and really serious I mean and they became ferocious Fighters and really enormous Ken Norton are those guys I mean they all really started getting

into it and so you know it was so it was an easy thing when those athletes be were performing so well it was an easier thing than to prove that is not true and then of course in rehab they used you know throughout the 80s and '90s is heavily weight resistance training you know the rehab your knee after knee injury after surgery or replacement KNE replacement or was all weight training weight resistance training and Rehab so all the hospitals all over the the country started having you know weight rooms not massive not not tons of

Weights but weights so that you can you know kind of through weight resistance and then eventually became a time like in the '90s where the military also um started getting into the wait room and I remember I was the chairman of the president's Council on physical fitness and Sports on Bush and then I sat down with bush and um because he was he was into weight training he was working out regularly at Camp David and was at the White House way before he started his meetings and so I used to work out with him and

um and so he said to me he says I know there was a New York Times peace I said yes and he says where the guys in Iraq were working out with sand bags so I said you know why they're working out with sand bags he says no I said well first of all because resistance training is good I said but the other reason is because you haven't sent them any barbles and dumbles yet I say what do you think that they would not rather lift with dumbbells and barbles than the workout with sandbags he

says can you organize that I said you're talking to the right guy so I said I'm going to go and I'm going to go and ask for donations and so I called every manufacturer of weight uh equipment and I got 40 tons of Weights together and now they put it all together in the crate and colon power came is say on I'm not going to be that stupid and ship to will be the ship he says but you never have heard that I'm going to fly the [ __ ] thing over there so it's going

to be there in two days from here to Germany from German from lansu L what is to to Iraq he says it's going to be over there in two days and we're going to distribute it nicely I'm going to put someone in charge and all and then all of a sudden three weeks later I was getting letters from guys that in the front line saying thank you arnor for helping us get those weights we just received weights we're now working out in the barracks with the dumbbells and with the bars and all that stuff we

don't have enough obviously because there's so many of us that the in the weight training is is but it is a great great beginning thank you so much so I mean this is the kind of stuff that so and then after that I tell you I went then back in I I went to Iraq in on a second round the second war in 200 three and that brought to the man and women the Terminator movie Terminator 3H I wanted them to be the first ones to see it before anyone else any critic or anyone else

sees it I was very fanatic about that and so I went to various different places over there to show them the movie and that's when I saw all a sudden gyms where they were working out and the craziest thing was when I went back again in 2009 or when when it was it was 0 N I went back there and now I saw a gymnasiums that were much bigger than any gymnasium in the world yeah in the world I mean I've never ever seen a gymnasium where walk in where there was a tent at the

almost the size of a half a football field and the entire tent was there was like literally like 20 bench press benches with the barbells on top there was like 50 life cycles and stair Masters and treadmills and there was everything was like 20 or 10 or 50 or something like that it was insane and that's when I realized as AFC in the ' 9s already I realized that we have now gotten to the point in the world especially in America but in some cases in the world where there is no fire station that has

not weights there's no police station that didn't have weights there was no military station that didn't have weights no C Camp know nothing that didn't have weights and there's no YMCA that didn't have weights no WCA that didn't have weights no Club no uh no football team that didn't have weights no basketball team that didn't have weights no college team no high school team everyone had weights and on top of it when I traveled around the world and went to hotels it didn't matter if it was in India or in London or in Paris or

in Dubai everyone had weights every Hotel had weight a weight room so this is what happened in a period of like 30 years from the 70s to the '90s it was an explosion in every direction and um you know when I wrote the book be useful that was my way of being useful I said to myself I believe in this I feel passionate about this and that there's something in there for everybody because I felt like the bigger I make the sport the healthier the people are going to get but at the same time the

more money the bodybuilders are going to make because the reason why the football players are making so many millions of dollars is because everyone is watching it so if bodybuilding will be watched by that many people they will be making the same amount of money so therefore it has all to do with one one thing and that is how do we get the general public sold on the idea of its cool of muscles and the competitions there is the Mr Olympia there the Mr Universe the World Championships Mr World competition Mr International Mr America American

championships there different federations you can tune in wherever you want here it is and oo's classic you know my competition that I've been holding up for 35 years um so this is also so it was all about H it had many effects it made people healthier it gave them something to do it made them join a village so to speak because so many people are lost as you know you know that's why there's so much benefit when you once belong to the military mhm because you belong to a village you belong to a community a

togetherness and the rest of your life you will always than back at that time and you will have those connections and those bodies out there I mean when I think the amount of times that I think about when I was in the Austrian Army now it's obviously not like the American Army but just the the little things I am never ever worried I mean you know what kind of a great feeling that is that you never have to worry because it doesn't matter what it is if it is ironing a shirt I know how to

do sewing on a button I know how to do shortening the sleeves of a [ __ ] pants I know how to do driving the biggest vehicle I've driven tanks the biggest vehicle it doesn't scare me I drive any vehicle the ashash whenever you give through the smallest alley in Beverly Hills I'm not worried about banging into anything I have an ashkash you know I drive it in the little the littlest kind of streets doesn't worry me my tank I go out and drive it and it sit in there is a 50 ton tank they

can destroy anything I drive it I spin it around go and we have we have fun with with the tank I mean it's like everything that I learned I was crawling up and like I said not with the danger like you guys did where you were actually on the front that's a whole other ball game and I can imagine how much courage that gives you but just me crawling up hills in forests in the rain in the middle of the night at 10:00 at night with a gun in my hand and crawling up and someone

standing in front of you with the flashlight and screaming at you for [ __ ] 2 hours you're crawling you have dirt you have mud going through here and stuff like that or when you [ __ ] up with the tank that you have to go and release the emergency hatch on the bottom on the bottom and you crawl out and then you crawl under the tank and it's raining outside in the mud then you climb up the other side up the the the up the turn down through it again to your driver's seat and

out again and do that 50 [ __ ] times if you screw up so this the kind of things that I went through um you know so it's like okay I've gone through so much torture in the military you know and and pain at 4:30 in the morning getting up and running endless amount of times around this football field that was in front of our military of our chisan military base and uh all of this so you you go go through that and you say to yourself you know I was so blessed that someone taught

me with the age of 18 that if we give you misery and pain and discomfort and torture that this will help you for the rest of your life it's almost kind of like an investment you know because from then on you say to yourself okay now things don't bother me you know that nothing bothers me because I've gone through all of this stuff and this is why I tell so many young kids today I said you're making a big mistake to always look for Comfort because Comfort is the evil of everything Comfort is not good

looking for the easy way out is not good he said we got to go and confront kind of assistance and it's like n said you know that what does not kill you will make you stronger and this is exactly what it is you know if we can overcome kind of like all this obstacles you know then we get strong and we can endure much more and we look at the world totally differently and we don't whine about every little thing and so this is I mean so I think what has happened to me in the

military this one year I was only one year uh from 18 to 19 in the military and then of course the training that I was able to do there the weightlifting because they hailed Sports and so they let me train in the afternoon when everyone else was washing the tanks in the morning we were driving the tanks and in the afternoon they said scha for you it's better to train and so I had my gym I had my my barell and my benches and everything at the military station and so I trained for a few

hours while they were washing my tank and oiling up all the the different areas where you have to Loop and put all the grease in it all the time so so this is the kind of thing so it's it's kind of like so I can totally relate in a way to what you guys went through because I went through it with small percentage and uh it helped me so much so I know how much it helps you you yeah yeah and I think the I think one of the things that made the military start to

adopt so much of lifting working out was number one obviously you get the physical benefits but the mental benefits too of going and exerting yourself is it makes every part of your day better when you start off that way and then like you said when you're when you're working out with you know your other guys and you're doing hard stuff together it brings you closer together so you're going to have that Community feeling even more in the military when you're working out with guys when you get with a group of people and you do hard

things together you get you become closer that's what it's about absolutely so that really benefited for my basically my whole career we were lifting weights like that's what you go to you want to talk about having weights you go to a Seal Team like they have weights it's awesome that's where people congregate that's what we're doing and and people do a whole variety of some guys were triathlete type guys some guys were big powerlifting guys some guys were functional strength guys but everyone's in there doing it and the weird thing is right now is you

have problems with recruiting because there's people in America that aren't into fitness that don't recognize how important it is how do you think that's happening that on the one hand we have the most knowledge we've ever had the most opportunity because there's gyms on every corner we have all these opportunities and yet there's people that are not even fit to be in the military cuz they haven't worked out and they're 20 years old what do you think of that I think that uh it's a lot of it has to do with parenting you know because

I think that if you are a parent you go out with your kids when they're like three four years old and you run around with them and you do things into fun things go take them on Hikes take them SK skiing if you have the money you know because skiing sometimes can be expensive take them swimming you know do things with them you know and have them join clubs later on uh if it is wrestling club or if it is a boxing club or whatever it is or gymnastics whatever it is every kid you figure

out as time goes on what they're into you know every kid is into something else but they find something that they're into and so I think the parenting is uh lacking a lot of times because this is all leadership because I remember with my kids I had two of my kids that were not so much into the physical thing but we found still found things to do and they became great skiers and they became great on the ice ring and doing ice skating and stuff like that they were great in swimming and uh you know

then others excelled in everything in baseball and basketball and football and all of that so it really depends on the kids but you can really push kids and really make them feel like oh there's so much joy with being fit and going out and playing games and doing sports and stuff like that so I think it's it's it's leadership at home that is missing a lot of times and of course as you know there's a lot of kids that they grow up with uh you know both parents are working and uh that's why we started

you know 30 some years ago after school programs so that the you know that the kids have a place to go after school where they can go and get the homework assistance because there's no one home helping them uh they will they will get the tutoring between after 3:00 between 3 and 6 and where they get the sports programs where they get their fitness programs the exercise the Arts programs you know playing music instruments and uh doing painting or whatever they they're into so all the stuff is to kind of like assist the parents where

both of the parents are working that there's someone there for this and there's some adult supervision for those kids so that's that's what why I started after school programs 30 some years ago and it has become a huge huge hit yeah uh your book this new book that you wrote It's called be useful seven tools for life and you start off the the first one the first tool that you talk about in here is having a vision and you say in the book so many of our best people are lost so many of the good

ones don't know why they're what they're doing with their lives they're unhealthy they're unhappy 70% of them hate their jobs their relationships are unrewarding they don't smile they don't laugh they have no energy they feel useless they feel helpless as if life were pushing them down a road to nowhere if you know what to look for you will see people like this everywhere maybe even you when you look in the mirror it's okay you're not broken neither are they this is just what happens when you don't have a Clear Vision for your life and you've

taken either whatever you can get or whatever you thought you deserved we can fix that because everything good all great change starts with a Clear Vision so you've been doing that I mean what you already talked about you saw reg Park that was your vision you saw Hollywood that was your vision when did you figure out that that was the methodology a person needs to have in order to move forward I I I figured it out with bodybuilding because not only did I have the vision of re park because I had it in the magazine

right in front of me a literal Vision but I what was what was the most powerful thing was that I could see myself on that stage on that Mr Universe stage like R Park but me mhm and winning and so it was it was the most extraordinary thing how real it was I saw the photograph of R Park standing there with in the background the thousands of people applauding and that's that's where I'm going to stand I don't know when but I'm going to stand on that stage and I'm going to go and win the

Mr Universe Trophy and so I was absolutely convinced and I could only compare it always to how people feel when they're religious mhm and they're absolutely convinced you know that hey I'm not worried about dying I know where God is going to take me and they're absolutely convinced about that and God is going to guide me and I will go through some difficult times but God is going to be by my side and they have kind of almost a relaxed feeling about it no matter what trouble they go through and I felt exactly like that

because I never was worried about it it was not kind of like I was scrambling say oh my God is another year passed I hope that I got closer to my G no it was kind of like every set that I was doing every exercise that I was doing every rep that I was doing I felt like great joy because it was like a rep a set a weight that get me one step closer to my goal to make my goal become a reality so this was like I'm chasing this thing and I'm having a

great time because every single time I get closer and closer so it was like that's what people always said when they saw when they came journalists that will come to the gym and say you're the only one that is always smiling at having a good time in the gym I said well I have a good reason to smile and say why I said because every time I go to the gym I get one step closer to winning that Mr Olympia title winning the Mr Universe title I mean so to me it's like kind of coming

in here is like it sucks me one step closer one step closer one step closer and so I know where I'm going and so this is why there's a certain Joy there and i' I've I I didn't pay much attention to it just to realize that I always had a certain calmness about it but then when I got into the movie business I felt kind of like I have to kind of dissect now and analyze what did they do in bodybuilding that made it work because every everyone here in Hollywood says honor it's never going

to happen you're never going to become a star you never become a leading man you have an accent your body is too big your name Schwartz and Schnitz whatever I mean who the [ __ ] can pronounce that I said what do you think they're going to put on a build board someday you know Schwarz and ego something forget it I mean you have to have a Snappy name like John Wayne I mean it's all kind of like clean Eastwood there a there's a cool name Charles Bronson there are really American names as said is

that going to happen with you so it was always no no no and that's why one of the rules in the book also is don't listen to the naysayers but it's always no no no and says okay in bodybuilding I heard the same thing I it would never be a bodybuilding champion because you're an Austrian you become a ski Champion maybe but not a bodybuilding champion this is American stuff it's British stuff that they they do that not over here and so what did I do and I said myself I visualized myself as Mr Universe

I said and then everything I did I worked my ass off to get closer and closer every workout said this what I have to do I gave five hours I worked out so I'm going to go work five hours a day now on becoming an actor but instead of doing five sets of curls and five sets of death lift and five sets of bench bre and five sets of chinups and all this stuff I'm going to do an hour of accent removal because they said that be because of my accent it's going to be an

obstacle and I'm going to go and take an hour of English classes then an hour of uh um acting classes an hour of stunts and an hour of this and as to 5 hours a day every day I said and I'm going to visualize myself as another clean Eastwood and I'm going to go and get in the movies and I'm going to do big Parts like that all like re Park R Park was Mr Universe and then became Hercules I said wouldn't that be great so I I I mean I had the idols there so

now it was just me to believe that I can be like that and I believed it because I used the same method as I used in bodybuilding I used now and applied it to acting mhm and uh I worked my ass off I believed in myself and I moved closer and closer and every time someone said it's not going to happen it's not going to happen I got one step closer you know eventually I was doing a Hercules movie Hercules in New York the comedy that was like hilarious but I was I was in front

of the camera and I was starring and then there was Lucille Ball called me a few years later and asked me to do happy anniversary and goodbye which was a TV show with art conne a 2hour TV show she says I want you to play the Mur in there a 7 minute part she says if you do that well says everyone would know who you are so I did it and it became a huge hit and then from there I got then Streets of San Francisco then it did stay hungry with uh Sally Fields and

Jeff Bridges B rers and directing then we did Pumping Iron then I did the the villain with Kirk Douglas and with an Margaret and things started picking up and I started guest starring co-starring with those guys then I did the Jane Mansfield story where I played Micki haiday which was a Hungarian bodybuilder who had an accent just like me because Hungary Budapest where he came from in Vienna very close together it used to be the same Empire the Austrian Hungarian Empire so they used to belong together so he married chane Mansfield so now they wanted

me to do the CH M and play miky hag day and he was Delight delighted he was still alive at that time he was delighted that I'm playing him so now I'm having a the starring role on a TV a major TV show with Lonnie Anderson who was the biggest TV star female TV star at the at that time and so this is how then I was doing Con in the Barbarian so everything that they said it would be impossible all a sudden changed and when they asked John John millus the director of Conan the

Barbarian how did you get to the idea to have Schwarz star in Con the Barbarian I mean the last movie he did was the wi and the lion with John con and we can as Bergen now we hiding schwarzeneger are you kidding me what kind of a leap is that and he says if we wouldn't have had schwarzeneger we would have had to build one because Conan was a heroic guy that with Frank fretta painted him so to do justice to that the only one that was around was Schwarz Neer and he was an actor

at the same time so I was so happy to find someone with a body like that so exactly what they said is going to backfire me was an asset and the same thing was also with Terminator when they asked Jim Cameron what made Terminator goes through the roof become so popular and he says well be honest with you is besides AR's body it was his accent he says because he talks like a machine he says and that made it believable he says with his body the way when he came out of this thing and we

saw him there naked on top of Los Angeles looking down he says we saw that this is not a regular body that we seeing on the screen this is a machine and then when we heard him talk that confirmed that he was a machine he says that's what sold the thing he was was totally so now all a sudden they said the body and the accent the very thing that they said would not work all a sudden worked you know so that those are the kind of things so I just applied the same rules with

positivity but as I said the key thing is that we know where we're going no matter how difficult it is we got to know where we going because I don't know if You' have seen people that uh foreigners that come over to Hollywood and you see them getting off the bus you know the tourist bus and then they get to the intersection and then they kind of like they look around kind of like what where should I start look at all the shops oh my God this is all h guys where where's everyone going where

where should we should we cross the IND so this is so there they they don't know what to do so this is what a huge amount of people have that look not to look for the next store this is just a symbolic thing but in reality about life they say h where should should it go to college should it Go and join a football team should it train should have meet up with my friends should have go to another country another state she you got to have a vision because as soon as you have a

vision and as soon as you have a goal which means you have to be really in touch with your passion and what is inside rather than just keep looking at that iPad and at that iPhone and checking out what everyone else is doing well you're not going to get an idea what everyone else is doing no you have to find out what you are going to do forget about everyone else let's find out what you're going to do and so this is why I say find your passion find the place where you want to go

no matter how difficult it is and it makes it fun then to chase after the that that vision and you know so to me what I did here with the book be useful is I talk about those things because if you can do everything else you can work your ass off and you can be a good person can save you money and you can do all this stuff but if you don't know where you're going you you're you're going to fail MH imagine that a team of planes are taking off from the aircraft carrier they're

out great scene right we always see in Top Gun and stuff like that it's the only way we got to go and see ordinary folks like us right uh and then say now imagine you say stop Freeze Frame M planes are hanging out there in the air and now they say but they don't know where to go and what to do yeah you think this is going to be a successful Mission no it's so it's over no matter how sophisticated that airplane is and no matter how well the people worked on the deck to get

those planes out there which is a miracle how they do that but if they don't know if the if the pilots don't know what to do after they take off and they all go in different directions and no one is in sync so this is but this is what your life is like if you take take off and you don't know where you're going and it starts already with in high school it starts way back because we got to know when we go to college it's wonderful to go to college but if you don't know

why you go to college don't go go and become an apprentice in some other kind of a field like I did I was an apprentice as a Salesman and I went to college later on when I figured it out what I want to do but I mean it's like it's like you got to know I've I've had kids that would go to college and said what do you study I said well yeah study English I said what's wrong with the English nothing it's just a you know something that I can use for anything later on

because I don't know yet what am I studying I said what the [ __ ] is that you're 18 years old and you don't know what you want to do lay on in life how long is it going to figure is it going to take you to figure that one out you know you get to know do you want to be a lawyer in this I mean my nephew Patrick nap I sat down with his daughter she says I would like to go to USC I said that's fantastic I say I help any way I

can I said uh you know make sure they have all a you know a 4.0 average otherwi you can't get in I said what do you want to study there says I want to study business and get myself ready for law because as soon as I'm graduated I want to go there to law school I want to be an entertainment lawyer wow do you know how much joy I had that there was a 18-year-old she was not yet 18 but the almost 18y old girl that figured it out and in her eyes when you saw

her eyes how excited she was that she's going to go to college and she's going to graduate after four years in business and then she's going to become a lawyer and not only just a lawyer like floating around entertainment lawyer like my dad that now we're talking so this is what I'm talking about it just makes it for her her Jo Journey from now on finishing her High School this year and then going to college it's going to be so much fun because she knows where she's going MH so that's what I'm talking about and

it's like the vision that you had dictated to you the work you were going to have to do because there's some people that have a vision but they don't want to do the work well but here's the thing that if you have a very clear vision and you're absolutely convinced and have the faith in Your Vision then all the work that you need to do becomes easier because there's a purpose for it you see what I'm saying because is the worst thing is do you know how many people are in the gym and they're sitting

on the life cycle and they're going to do life cycle I said let me ask why are you training and he said oh my doctor said I need to lose some weight well that that's no Gore mhm a Gore if you say this summer I'm going to be 20 lbs lighter and I'm going to have a sixpack and I'm going to have some muscle separation and stuff like this and I'm going to have the chicks all freak out when they see this party now it sounds stupid the goal but it works yeah it works so

you have to have a specific goal whatever it is how crazy it is so for someone to go and every day write the life cycle because the doctor Tau them to is not good that person has to kind of sit down and see them themselves in a better shape see themselves on the beach and see the people around them say look go and say look at look at this guy look at this can you believe that son of a [ __ ] is showing off his [ __ ] sixpack you know so look at that

you know so that's that's the vision you should have how people are jealous and maybe even someone is trying to kick sand in you face and you just bury his face under the sand right I mean that all this stuff you could it's all stupid Visions but they work they work this is why Charles Atlas was so successful with his kicking sand in the face because it's the most basic thing and and it worked and that he sold hundreds of millions of courses because of the same kind of image that people had so there was

was a go to shoot for I'm going to be next to you on the beach and I'm going to be so muscular and then all the girls are going to come by say oh I want him you know crazy stuff but they mean it works yeah so this is why I say have a vision mhm uh an expression that Us in the book you pardon my German venon Denon is that right that's perfect you said it perfect it means if you go and do something you might as well just go all the way with it

it just go all out do something do it do it yeah exactly and so it's it's it's a it's a a common thing that people say in Austria and in Germany and in Switzerland and so I wanted people to know that that's what I always heard that's what I always say and someone says why do you train five hours a day I said venon djon you know if I go and go for the Mr Universe contest I'm going to win you know there's no there's no losing here you I'm going to go all out you

know so that was the idea and the same is also in acting I always went all out and and acting and and you know what is interesting because you talk about the vision I out of nowhere when in 19 in in 2003 when the economy here in California went down when we had blackouts and when we had uh no political Direction really and we had really real problems here the people were moving out their businesses from California people were moving away from California I always a sudden saw myself as the governor I didn't say it

to anybody but more and more I was I was in the middle of promoting my movie Terminator 3 like I was telling you I was in Iraq and I was in Kuwait and there was different different places you know showing them you know the movie and um then they came back here and they promoted it you know in France in England in Germany and everywhere like that and all over America it then came out in America in Mexico I remember traveling to Mexico and promoting it in Mexico and I and then as I was doing

all of this I said myself I I'm having always like two visions here I'm focusing on a Terminator movie and making this the most successful movie making sure that it grosses more money than any other movie this year and I have also this vision of being governor and sure enough as soon as I was finished with the promotion uh I went on The Tonight Show and announced it and I had no team yet nothing but I mean so it was the same thing kind of like but I I didn't worry about it even when they

said they say but you have no team how can you go in start getting it I I put the team together don't worry about it the election is not until two months from now so I announced on on August 6th and then October 7th was the election two months later and I won you know so it was but it was the same thing Ed this is the work that they had to do this is what I needed to do to get there and this is exactly what I did I was sitting literally to 1:00 in

the morning every day by my swimming pool with a team of guys that came in in shifts to teach me about how California is run and what went South in California and to learn about you know pensions and to learn about Labor and to learn about prisons and about law enforcement about guns and about gun safety and this that all the different things that they needed to know so that they could have a debate when we go to the debates and and so you know so it was the same thing that just had a very

clear Vision to become governor that's it became a reality yeah but again you did the work oh yeah you did the work you have to do the work yeah that's why I say in my book work your ass yeah it's like T J always said right early to bed early to rise work like hell and advertise know so this is it yeah did you when you were working in a tile store it was a tile store right when you it was a hardware store hardware store they had the they had the fake tiles and they

had real tiles so the people that couldn't afford like there was a lot of people in Austrian that time they couldn't afford real tiles on the kitchen so they had this this wooden boards that were kind of that looked like tiles but they put that on and it was like half the price and stuff so but I sold all of that and I learned how to sell and uh how to you know figure out very quickly when a couple came in do you sell and talk to the woman or to the guy and how do

you identify that very quickly and so you I learned how to be sensitive and I just say how can I help you and all this stuff and then eventually you know they would say well we here to to we want to put some tiles in our kitchen and also upstairs in our bathroom in our shower what do you recommend and then would show them the various different things and then I will go and do the quiz so I know who to talk to here the both or the one or the other and then I said

said what color are you actually thinking about and then then he says what do you think honey so that I do goes to her she says well pink I I think that for upstairs we should pink he should have pink he says and for the kitchen also pink and she says no are you crazy the kitchen is white we got to have white you know my my friends have for upstairs for the bathroom they just got some black towel which also looks very attractive and or but pink is really the I like pink he says

okay whatever she wants he would say you know I I pay but she just you she makes the decision so I knew right away okay then so now I took her around and I said you would love this color let me show you let me show you the difference between the real tile and the fake tile and let me show you this and show me that and then if you need you have anyone by away already that is installing it who is installing it this is I don't have anybody ah K the I have three

names here this is his three names it say with the real tiles with the with the cardboards is this and blah blah blah so I talked mostly to her and she felt like absolutely delighted I couldn't do any wrong now because for the first time she felt like someone took us seriously because in most cases with the way Austria used to be was kind of very male oriented chauvinistic and so that the male knew everything they thought in reality I know from my house when I grew up my mother for instance ran the finances in

our house my father couldn't hold a candle to her or when it comes to writing she was the spelling Master of the House even when he did his always when he was in uniform and he was doing his police work and he wrote his reports he asked my mother many times for spelling uh to spell a word a certain way and stuff like that so she was clearly in charge of those things and uh but she didn't twell on it she let him believe that he's the king the king of the house and stuff like

that you so that's what women used to do yeah but so this woman was delighted that I paid all this attention and I told her this and says I'm going to get some new tiles coming in next week on Wednesday if you come back and Away said then I can make sure that you get the same color white because say sometimes they're different shades of white I said I'm worried about that I said come back next week then I get a new kind of delivery and it's all the same white and blah and so she

was delighted she wrote out the order he paid for it it was a successful sell but I learned that from my boss when he said to me he says watch when I sell now and he always asked me says did you see now how I figured out that that he was in charge and not she and then the next time he say you see why I figured out that she was in charge of him and all of that stuff and so I would learn that and so all of those things were very important to me

for the rest of my life because every time you sell anything you got to know who you're talking to you're talking to the women or you talking to the guys you talk to young or you talk to old you talk to conservative people to want liberal people you talk to color people white people all of this kind of stuff you you have to kind of know and get a feel for the whole thing because everything changes a little bit here and there yeah there's pragmatic so the book has all kinds of information in it but

there's pragmatic stuff that you can actually use you put in the book one of them uh in this chapter in this tool which is cell cell cell you say uh bridging bridging is a communication technique that anyone can use to take control of a hostile discussion or to avoid a question you don't want to answer and then you go on and you give an example you're you're you're running for governor and someone says Arnold you've never run for office before at any level what makes you think you're equipped to run the biggest in the country

and your answer is that's a great question but you know a better question is how can the greatest state in the country afford to continue to down this road with the same kind of politicians who got us in this mess in the first place that's a crafty little move yeah yeah so in the political Arena that is a crafty little move in a in general to give you an example of like something that they used way back when I did my first interviews I would go let's say on a m Griffin show or on a

the night show and the guy would ask me and I would be on there to let's say promote to stay hungry the movie and I come on there say he say so tell me I mean you still have this fantastic physique I know you did the movie just now but when did you work start working out and and and and why so without saying it but in my mind now I said myself okay if I tell him that they started with the age of 15 it's not going to sell one more ticket for the movie

stay hungry mhm I say if I tell him that I started working out because I saw R Park it's like no one knows who R Park is and they not going to sell a ticket either and so I went through all of this stuff within a split of a second and S said this is all a waste so I have to go and Bridge so what I basically at that time I didn't even know the terminology I just just said to myself okay here's what I'm going to say I said John this is a really

great question I said I started with 15 but what was interesting is is I did not know then that I'm going to use this body in a movie like stay hungry the one that's coming out this Friday I tell you in that movie I convinced the producer and the director to not only have me as the Mr Universe in there winning the Mr Universe title and to get a little bit of inside look in the background of bodyy building and how those guys work out and the intrigues and all this stuff but I also had

convinced them to have like 50 other bodybuilders running through the city of Birmingham Alabama I mean think about it 50 body builders running through Birmingham Alabama Alabama on top of buses and this and that and it was an absolute crazy scene that we have in there and I never thought that the day I started working out that we going to celebrate bodybuilding like that and then be going to show it to the people and they're all going to see it in a movie called stay hungry so I mention the name second time so this is

how I sold and at the same time I quickly answer said I started with 15 and went right over to the thing so to me what is interesting always this is every question is a potential good question no matter how shitty it sounds when someone says it you know it's like it's it's a uh someone can go and say the he says arold I mean uh didn't you feel terrible when you got divorced it was kind of a failure and I says you're absolutely right said but this is what is really interesting about it is

is that the documentary called Arnold which Netflix is bringing out next week I say it gets into details and it dissects exactly what happened there I'm not going to say it now I said because I was maybe you don't want to see the documentary but I mean go and see that I say it's fascinating of what led up to that whole thing and where was the big explosion and bang it was over I said which by way I still regret but I mean is is so so that's what you do right instead of just blowing

it I want to sell at the same time having a shitty question I want to turn it into a productive answer yeah and that is what what it's all about yeah that's a amazing thing about this book right here that I'm reading it's called be useful by Arnold Schwarzenegger you see I don't want to use the name be useful as what you want to well because if I say be useful you know five times then people know that okay I'm hyping the book be useful and I want the people to kind of a little bit

more discover the book when they go to the book store they say where's the be useful section and then go and say to somebody hey I want to get 10 copies of being useful and the guy says o they I only have five he say have to order another five and it says what what a 10 more because now I want to get 15 and so this is how you then promote be useful um one one of the things I wanted to jump in here to because I think it's a really important lesson that you

got in the book you the the the tool is called shift gears in the book and one of the things and I know people that are in the bodybuilding will will relate to this but even if you're not some sometimes you lose and sometimes things don't work out the way you want them to and what do you do in those situations in this situation here you lost to Frank Zayn in 1968 you blamed everybody else you know your first reaction was blame everyone else blame the judges blame the fact that you had to travel blame

the fact that you had bad food in the airport blame all these other things you did that for a night the next morning you pretty much woke up and said all right what happened what do I need to change and you actually go anding bring Frank Zayn to to where here in California to train with you so you can figure out what he did so he can never beat you again that's a great reframing of a of a bad situation well I I think that what is fun is to be able to laugh at yourself

so in this particular case I inan imagine you lose the Mr Universe you just won a week before a Mr Universe contest the second Mr Universe contest now you're coming to America and there is another Federation that has also Mr Universe count you say might as well grab that one too very quickly while I'm at it and I lose that was a total Shaker but what is laughable about it is even though I cried all night as I said in the book right I cried all night but that's something to be that is laughable because

our brain works a certain way first of all kind of feel sorry for me look what a victim I am Arnold is coming over here from Europe he doesn't speak the language he's all alone in Miami and he's suffering here and they're treating him really badly and there's this Prejudice judges that are just of course looking for American bodybuilders but not for Europeans eting European bodybuilders and they make him lose now and they they tell him he was a little bit too fat and he didn't have the definition and now I'm all here by myself

lying in bed with Roy calander with my black friend that was comenting with me in a Mr Europe count and Mr Universe and traveled all over the world with me and he luckily I had him to cry on to and I'm crying all night I say can you believe that that I lost the competition so it's funny because you have to be able to get to a point where you can laugh at that and say the Mind pulls interesting tricks now I woke up now I'm with the program now I'm seeing reality now I don't

see anymore I was perfect and they [ __ ] me and Frank Zay is a terrible person he put a trick on me and all of that said no is it this is over now we went past this stage to where we are trying to defend ourselves and kind of make ourselves feel good now is the stage of reality and then you actually feel good better than when you were kind of going through the kind of being a victim stage and so I went through this stage where I said I feel good now I see

it clearly Frank Z is a teacher he's teaching kids there's nothing wrong wrong with him and he had a [ __ ] great body he weighed 185 and I weighed 225 but he was more ripped yes I was bigger but he was more ripped and he had a tan I didn't have a tan his posing was better so why shouldn't he get points for that let's assume for a second he got 20 points for definition and I could let's say 18 let's say get 20 points for posing and I got maybe 18 and maybe he

got I got 20 points for and he got 18 so he still won by two points I just say all pencils out he is the fear winner so I said but I mean I have I don't have the experience to train in order to get this kind of a body so I'm going to humbly ask him if he will be willing to come out to California and to work out with me and maybe I can learn a thing or two and he came out to California he said I would I always L going to World

Gorge gym I want to go to Gorge gym I'm going to that would be great to train can I can you put me up I said yeah you can stay in my place so he came out he stayed in my place for 2 3 weeks until he found his own apartment and then we worked out together like crazy we had the greatest time I took him out for lunch and for dinner and for breakfast and all that stuff we had the most wonderful time and I got to see firsthand the exercises he does for his

catas the exercises he does for his abdominals the kind of food that he eats in order just to get so defined and uh on and on and on and we became best of friends as a mfect so much so that we that he made me promise not to compete against him I said this is not what I'm looking for I said you understand even though you beat me but I'm looking for the biggest stuff I'm looking for Sergio liver MH he's the Mr Olympia that is the guy I need in order to really sit on

top of the world and he said that's good I'm I'm glad to hear that that's good he says because next year I want to compete in the Mr Universe in the amateur in uh London and I don't want you to compete in that they said no I won't compete in that so we went together to the Mr Universe in 1969 the year later we trained together with Franco and I went to New York one the M my third Mr Universe contest that won that he won a year before I won that one then I took

him to the Mr Universe contest in London to the other Federation and he ended in that one the amateur and he won that one so we both now won one so there was not like TR to take something from him or him from me and then uh the year after that I came back and then I beat Sergio and I want Mr from then on that was no one could beat me so that was it so that's so we all worked it out now we did compete again against each other because eventually we ran into

each other and missed Olympia because he was winning Mr Olympia three times and the fourth time when he tried Was 1980 I came back and competed again after 5 years of retirement and so that's where we ran into each other again and I could not tell anyone that I'm competing because I was listed as a judge at that Mr Olympia competition and so only the day when we had the judges meeting I said you know something guys I'm not going to judge uh tomorrow I'm going to compete tomorrow and they said what you know it

was kind of a big surprise so at that point no other body brother would pull out so they just didn't compet it against me and I was lucky enough to to win now from a training perspective you always hear that like that level of definition and that level of shred is more based usually on diet than on your working out what did you change was it was it the working out change or or did you actually shift your diet somewhat uh I think there were a few basic things like milk products that uh Frank Zayn

and Frank both were them very adamant about for me to cut out and for me cutting out the milk products alone helped me a lot to get more defined the other thing was to to have desserts I had no concept really at that time about you know desserts and all that stuff and I just would eat desserts after every meal and they said cut out dessert three months before and that's what we did even though the night before the Olympia or the before the Mr Universe Frank and I would go to the House of Pies

here on Fifth Street across the street from sukus and uh Santa Monica and we would eat a whole Cherry Pie and but it was like because we were was so stared of carbohydrates that it somehow we blew it but it didn't hurt anymore it was too late because the next day it was we went to New York for the Mr Olympia contest and we won and he won his Mr Universe and Mr World contest and I won the Mr Olympia and everything was standy and fine but uh but I I learned a little bit about

that but that was never really a diet uh expert I got my definition from overtraining mhm so everyone everyone in a in a bodybuilding world would say that that many sets to do 35 sets of body part like I did three times a week that that was definitely overtraining and to me I never knew exactly how to do it without the 35 set and the reason is because I felt kind of like every EX size had a specific purpose and so when I was doing chest and I was doing five sets let's say of bench

breast then I did five sets of barbell incline press then I did five sets of dumbbell incline press then I did five sets of flies then in five sets of pullovers with the with the dumbbell then on uh on the naus machine on the pullover machine and then it did the cable crosses for the Stans and it went on and on and on it was each exercise was for specific purpose it's the same thing with back yes I was doing my my uh chinups White grip but did five sets in the back five sets in

the front but then I remember Frank Zayn said if you want to get the inter castles and the Saras you got to do close grip chinups so we did the close grip chinups in order to get the the Saras so but then it was bent over rowing it was the tear rowing with the big blades on it P and against the chest pull boom like this but then it was also the barbell rowing where I could lift it further up in order to reach the chest with the bar and of a block or of a

bench standing on top of a bench or block and uh then there was the cable rowing because they go way to the front and way to the back and so this is how on and on and on that pull Downs is so it was 35 sets so I'm going to go now so each one was hitting a certain area and and that's how I got my definition rather than by burning of fat I was working it off just working and just you know just burning they said I burned like three 5,000 what was it uh

50 tons of weights every day mhm and it was like thousands of calories we burnt during a workout it was just and then it was abs and this it's just you know it just went on and on and on but anyway it was good so so with me it was mostly overtraining that created in the definition so so for all those people out there that have heard the Mantra which is you can't outtrain a bad diet Arnold says yes you can you can out train a bad diet you can out train some cherry pie maybe

they maybe a right because it wasn't a bad diet it just wasn't a good diet so like I said I was never severe there were some guys that would be really strict all year round and they will be like Chuck coloris and people like that that that had ABS throughout the whole year penstein the Belgian bodybuilder Mr Universe just was like ripped I was never ripped like that so I mean that this guys they will be really in the diet but they will be lean they don't have the size and all that stuff so um

but you know something it's like in life we can only take ideas and suggestions to improve mhm but you cannot ever copy anyone it is a big mistake because you have to find out how you mind op operates you have to find out how your body operates I mean it would be a mistake for me to copy exactly Frank Z's training mhm or Frank a Columbus training Franco did only 10 sets of thighs because his thighs got big very very quickly and I have to I had this long thighs I had to do much more

so everyone trained differently so the idea to tell someone here's what you do for bench press this this is what do for chest this is what they do for back these are the ideas to say this exercise hit the lower Lads this exercise hits the upper lats this exercise hits the center of the back when you R back this gets the center so the more you hold it back there the more you develop the muscles on the back and this is how you develop the lower back you know by doing good morning exercise with the

dumbbell the barbell and the behind your neck and all that St so this so you can give people this idea but then what how many sets and how many reps they do for each one of them they have to figure that out because everybody has weak points and everyone's weak points are different you know mine was always it was hard to get the tricep or to get thighs so for frankco it was hard to get the longer bicep he was at the short bicep longer biceps and to get the outer calves and he could never

straighten out his b legs and stuff like that so so every everyone had the weak points so you had to kind of get exercises for the inner thigh to make it visually appear not as bowlegged but more straight and the way he posted so so we we have to every situation is different and so this is the important thing is an ant is like you have an idea you give people an idea of how to train for every single area of the body but then you have to let then you give them suggestions how many

sets but then they have to figure it out themselves it's like I was at Vince's gym in the valley and I said to Vince why are you doing this stupid exercise I was like lying on the on a bench and he had a dumbbell here and he was going out like this I said what the [ __ ] is that and he says try it so I tried it and he says how many says to you I said five and he says no no you got to Tred 20 sets 20 reps because then you would

know tomorrow which part of your tricep hurts so I did 20 sets 20 reps like an idiot out sides and the next day this muscle here the tricep that separates the back from the bicep was like twitching and going absolutely crazy so now I knew that is what it is for I never knew after all the years and winning Mr Universe twice and all this stuff I was training over there I did not know that so it just shows to you that we do exercises and exercises and exercises but we don't know exactly for which

part it really works and your bone structure will tell you that so this is why you have to experiment with your own body you got to go and do some Daisy squats with the toes pointed out very close together further apart and do 20 sets of 20 reps and then you would know the next day where it hurts yeah you will you know since it's it's almost kind of like a Leonardo D Vinci where you dissect and go into the minute details and uh and be kind of a lab technition and try to figure out

your own body rather than just copy so this is what I always say to people I say you got to figure out your own body and everyone has to do something that makes some changes some little alterations yeah they're basic things that are the same but I mean it's like how many people don't know that your bicep gets developed by not only curling but also turning the wrists so what I did was I ended up putting more weight on the inside than on the outside so that when I curl up like that it was really

hard to get this dumble in here because this way was weighing down and I was kind of like putting it in and it cramped my bicep I said son of a [ __ ] I'm having such a cramp have to straighten it out right away and all that stuff so most people don't know that so this is the little subtle things that you have to give people and and and the same is also with what motivates you to to function well and to be happy and to be successful and to be fulfilled and all of

that stuff you got to figure that out what makes you tick you yes there's some basic rules you can read my book here and all of that stuff but it's still not everything there's still things that you have to figure out for yourself in order to really get good at things and uh really reach your potential and reach all of your goals that is the bottom line whether it's bodybuilding whether it's trying to find out what you're going to do with your life how you're going to become happy how you're going to become successful sure

there's guidelines you can follow in this book other books but you're going to have to make adjustments to make it work for you that's what we have to do yeah so absolutely that's the bottom line well thanks for joining us today uh thanks for taking I know we took up a little extra time but thank you thank you for uh this was this was fun to too with you guys because it was not like an interview kind of I think what makes us very attractive and fun is that you almost kind of you know I

thought be sitting down for for half an hour now we've been sitting here for what is it like an hour and 50 minutes 45 minutes so I totally missed that yeah yeah but only because I thought that we had a we were just sitting at a coffee shop and schmoozing and having a good time and and and discussing those things you know so there's a difference between that and an interview when they come and says uh let me ask you a very interesting question is is when did you decide to write this book you know

this kind of like the way people come with you you just have to turn in CNN or Fox I of those things that that's how they usually word the questions yeah that just that after 12 minutes you wonder when they going to get out of there well the crazy thing about podcast we have we've done some episodes that I think our longest is 5 and a half hours long but you know we're sitting there talking to someone that was in Iraq or in Afghanistan that we're going through the details of that it's it's exactly what

you're talking about you're basically sitting around sharing War Stories and time just goes by really quick next thing you know you look at your watch and it's been 2 3 4 hours and and there you go but that's a and what's cool about this what's cool about podcast is people listen to them when they're driving when they're mowing the lawn when they're working out so I can totally see that yeah well thanks for thanks for taking the time appreciate how much how much are you guys working out I work out so I'll work out in

the morning you know I would say a good workout for me if I have my time I'll do like an hour and a half of of of lifting I usually go for a run after that and then I train Jiu-Jitsu at night so and jiu-jitsu's what would you say Jiu-Jitsu is like you're explosive but it's also cardio it's a little bit of both and that's kind of my that's kind of my day what about you yeah like five six days a week 1 Hour 1 hour and a half total I would say uhhuh after this

interview I'm upping it sets 35 sets per body part that's the new standard looking at you guys arms I don't think you should up this perfect sense because I mean it's like uh I don't even know if you can uh carry concealed weapons in California without a permit I mean this this those guns are big pretty big that's all I can tell you well it's inter it's interesting you know what you were talking about today with the the explosion of fitness and bodybuilding I mean think about your role in that if you wouldn't have done

Conan if you wouldn't have done pumping iron like that stuff just wouldn't have happened and you know our our guns probably wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for that right right well I'm glad that's that's being useful yeah exactly I'm saying it's like uh the interesting thing about all of this is that when you get into it it's the last thing you think about is helping anybody and then all of a sudden somehow you develop into this person that you didn't know like I found out even when I did not know everything

but just helping somebody else made me feel good and I started getting into that like training other people that eventually I took that job in Munich to be the trainer in a bodybuilding gym and I just found it just so full of joy for myself to work out to be able to help the 300 members that they had there and to have them come in one after the next and come to me and says what would you do for the upper pegs what would we do for the Cals what do we do for and you

just help for hours and hours and hours every day and then eventually you know this whole thing then spreads to by to The Coincidence to Special Olympics you know when it became the of Special Olympics then it started getting the president's Council of physical fitness where all a sudden the president sends you around to ERS schols and to promote you know Fitness in the schools and to get more public to get more kind of physical education classes in the classrooms and all that and so then after school programs so one thing leads to the next

and eventually you get so high on the idea of helping people that then you run for governor right I mean and you give up Lally like your 20 25 $30 million for a movie instead of you know getting nothing and getting dumped on like he did this wrong he did that wrong why did I do that but I mean it's it's just it's just in your calling it's just like it was there there's there's a there's a really interesting theme in the book and I thought you were going to point out you actually didn't point

it out in the be like the first chapter you talk about looking in the mirror looking in your eyes and telling yourself the truth but you're really focused on you got to look in the mirror and see who you are and the last chapter is break the mirrors and don't focus on yourself and it's helping other people up it's that that that the way that's tied together in the book it's it also kind of I think takes a person through their life like you said when you're when you're young you're kind of like focused on

what can I do and then you're looking at yourself you got to tell yourself the truth you got to figure out what your vision is but then eventually you get to a point where you got to smash that mirror and you look to help other people and that's that's really what you've done with your life yeah and I talked about Sergeant sha right um because when he said that at his commencement speech I thought it was like so meaningful to me MH although guys like me because we deal with the mirror and then for all

of a sudden to hear smash that mirror that makes you always look at yourself and you will see the millions of people behind that mirror that need your help I said what the [ __ ] I mean I got to go and I have to have this written somewhere MH as soon as I hear the speech I said to myself I got to write this down I said because this is such a such an like you just said such an opposite that's why we put in the book there first to talk about the mirror then

to talk about smashing the mirror and what a great way of ending up yep it is indeed so thanks for joining us if you're out there listening yeah look in the mirror tell yourself the truth truth and then smash that mirror and see who else you can help out thanks Arnold appreciate it thank you thank you guys thank you for your service it was serve and with that well we actually left the building this time yeah Arnold was still in the building we left the building we're back down here in San Diego how'd it go

it went well yeah so kind of with every uh moment that passes by it kind of hits you like okay you know we you know we grew up in the essentially the same era where it's like okay what was the first one pumping iron and Conan that was the first one and then Commando I saw I saw Conan the Destroyer in the theater The Destroyer yep not Conan the Barbarian I didn't see that in the theater yeah cuz that might have come out what ' 83 yeah so I I don't think I was old enough

for that one but I saw Conan destroyer in the theater yeah Predator was obviously a big one I saw Predator theater yeah cuz like the guys oh yeah yeah the special Rescue Team not assassins by the way Dillan you son of a big but oh yeah so with every passing moment you kind of remember all this stuff like you know like we all like how you said oh yeah I watched the qu of the destroyer in the theater like you remember that so it's like oh and here's the guy right here it's him he's saying

and he's walking us through all this stuff so it's like yeah it's kind of a trip I'd say um but yeah yeah and and like there's so many ass uh facets to go down like we didn't talk about Joe weer Joe weer me as a 13-year-old drinking Joe weer super weight gain 2000 yeah right no we didn't we didn't talk about that that's a whole thing that is a whole thing that's a whole thing that's what was happening yeah it's interesting that so I you know I have some friends they text me or whatever and

they all say the same thing which is the same for me where it's essentially like the number one reason that most of us wanted to be big and strong and started like lifting weights when we're teenagers and stuff is because of our Arnold because of like all the movies and pretty much all of them even like twins you ever watch twins you're kind of like yeah it's a funny movie and everything but bro I kind of want to lift and be big like that you know like kind of no matter what the movie is you

want to be like that you know so yeah that was real interestingly in the book he made the most money off of twins of all of his movies really y because whatever somebody didn't believe in it which is a big theme for him people people say oh you're not going to be able to do this your accent's too thick you're too bit whatever they say to him you know you going to run for governor are you kidding me it's only it's going to be in two weeks he just goes and does it well with twins

and this is all in the book it they're they saying hey you're an action star you can't do comedy and so no one wanted to do the film so he basically did a deal where he made the money off the back end and the film ended up doing awesome so that's where that's the movie he's made the most money from is that movie which is pretty crazy right oh yeah you would think you would think Terminator because that's the one that everybody quotes and mhm replicates and all the you know all the all the SP

you know the sequel and all that kind of stuff huh that's crazy I watch twins in the theater okay yeah were you pumped when you watch it yeah hell yeah check uh yeah he's got other stuff going on hey if you haven't watched that we talked about it a little bit today but that Netflix special Arnold which I watch really good um yeah he's got an app he's got like a workout app it's called the pump oh yeah I got it I just I've been checking it out yeah it's pretty cool some good workouts in

there lots of sets lots of reps were you surprised by 35 sets I was not 30 body part I I didn't know the number but I knew that was a lot they did a lot yeah volume so when I was young I had we had pumping iron that came out the year I was born by the way Pumping Iron but we had it on a video tape so it was Pumping Iron uh Star Wars and then Conan the Barbarian all in one tape all in one tape you know the yeah yeah yeah back in the

day super long player I don't know it's like the condense for um like quality yeah quality was low but we got nine movies on one it was good quality to look at but you know the data raate or I don't whatever the equivalent would be nowadays but um but yeah so bro I knew about that kind of stuff I knew about like L FR like about lifting and all that stuff or whatever and you know you watch it later as an adult and you kind of mask it onto your workout program and you're like okay

all right these are you know but they're Pros so I I dig it that's what we're doing uh so awesome to sit down talk with him um just very cool and and yeah his uh office there is like what what do you what did you have as you walked in right it was a life-sized Freeze from Batman that guy yep Mr Freeze Mr Freeze then it was uh the Predator life-size Predator monster which is bigger than you'd think so here and I I don't want to go too deep down the rabbit but I was about

to yeah I was um so I was talking to the guys there as well and I didn't even actually realize this but I know a lot about all that stuff so Predator um was played by a guy he's like 7 feet tall no kidding yeah so you know the Predator's huge in the movie but you think it's a movie so of course they make him look huge and Tall or whatever but the real guy who played is the same guy who played in Harry and the Henderson you know Harry and the Henderson the Bigfoot movie

the guy who played Bigfoot 7 feet tall he played the Predator so when you see the Predator the fullsize predator and he's 7t tall which he is you're like okay is he a jacked guy the guy that played it no like kind of tall skinny black gu who played who played uh Chewbacca a different guy or the same guy no no different guy um yeah he was more of actually the guy who played Predator was a tall black guy and chebaco was a white guy but yeah I forget their names though okay but nonetheless we

remember the characters the yeah so the Predator which originally was supposed to be played by vanam by the way who is not s feet tall Jean Claud vanam Jean Claud vanam was supposed to be the Predator how come he didn't stick with the role because during that time the the Predator was going to be nothing but special effects it was so he wore a red suit right so that you the blue background in the red suit so he'd be running around in this red suit they you know they'd do CGI you know the or I

guess it was it CGI back then but you know maybe it was but nonetheless it'd be a special effect it wouldn't be him you know it'd be a special effect so after after a while running right it didn't look good either by the way so it was kind of a decision where John Claude didn't like it and then kind of the director and stuff was like ah this isn't going to work and John Cloud was like what I'm not going to be shown and all this stuff or whatever you found out later I guess so

they were like oh we're going to do something else and they pivoted and got the iconic yeah I think it would have been weird to have the alien dude doing like karate type stuff yeah he wasn't doing karate are you sure about that cuz why would you bring in vanam if he wasn't going to be doing some splits and whatnot well keep in mind this was 198 would you be impressed if Predator was doing splits well he was running and jumping around so it's like athletic stuff but yeah I mean maybe he was doing that

but but that was before vanam became vanam though oh okay so he was um so yeah that's how it went down but obviously you know Predator is like the Predator alien what do they call it the the real name is like aoua yaa or something like that anyway yeah you want to know this kind stuff but you're going too deep for me I understand but that look is like part of the iconic nature of the whole Predator you know if it's it's almost like you can't imagine something else besides that one you know yeah that's

what it feels like check and then there was the life-size Terminator and the life-size Terminator like both Arnold Terminator and then just the straight metal Terminator yeah that was that's that was cool to see well that was awesome cool to sit down definitely cool to talk about working out talk about fuel we're working out have you so so have you are you going to modify any of your work I am definitely upping my sets now I did think about this I was like 35 sets but when I do pull-ups I do I sometimes I'll do

20 sets just of pull-ups sometimes even 25 to 30 sets of just pull-ups just pull-ups just wide grip Pull-Ups so now if I start rotating in maybe some closer grip maybe some bent over row like some other stuff I think it's that's that's my next move that's what I'm doing more sets that feels like that was the idea behind the approach because remember what he was saying he was like yeah I'm going to do five sets a row five sets of you know um freaking T Bar five set and he's like and after a while

35 sets cuz you do seven exercise five so it's it was more it seemed like anyway uh it was more about the hitting the muscle in all these different angles you know for he was getting fired up wasn't he he was getting fired up talking about working out and if you notice if you notice it it's it almost sorted itself out that I got the impression anyway that the working out and the bodybuilding part of things was kind of the core of everything you know he said that and it's in the book he said that

hey I learned this lesson I got to work hard I learned this lesson I got to try different things I learned this lesson everyone's a little bit different yeah even and we didn't get too much into it but like on the political side when he was the governor he was reaching out and trying to figure out compromises on how to actually make things happen instead of just having a big stalemate so he brought people into his cabinet or you know into his administration into his administration that were left leaning right and people would like oh

what are you doing he's like oh I'm trying to figure out how to make this work basically so it was and that's all in that there's one one of his rules was shut your mouth and listen like that's basically what he did was okay I know what my opinion is what's their opinion let's figure out how to make these things work so awesome that's what we're doing we're working out we're figuring out how to make things work going to need some fuel um I'm drinking some milk right now you're drinking some G some go so

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written a bunch of books about leadership and I've written a bunch of kids books check out the kids books way of the warrior kid it's a whole series check that out also Echelon front we have a leadership consultancy we solve problems through leadership go to Echelon front.com if you need help inside your organization that's what we do we have Live Events and we also work specifically with companies over longer periods of time to get them aligned with their leadership and then you as an individual human you might need leadership in your life well let me

rephrase that you need leadership in your life you need to be a leader whether you're interacting with your kids interacting with your spouse interacting with your friends interacting at work with your family whatever the case may be you need to know how to lead leadership is a skill that you can learn and for you as an individual we've got the extreme ownership Academy go to extreme ownership. comom and take there's a couple free courses on there take just take those at a minimum they're just free just to understand what we do and then if you

feel like you need some more get some more you you see something you like something get something yeah that's the way it used to be right I dig it yeah and if you want to help service members active and retired you want to help their their families gold star families Mark Lee's mom mama Lee She's Got an incredible charity organization if you want to donate or you want to get involved go to Americas mighty warriors.org also heroes and horses. org taking veterans up into the mountains to let them find themselves and Jimmy May's organization beyondthe

brotherhood. org if you want to connect with us Arnold he's on the interwebs he's got schwarzeneger dcom and he's also on Instagram he's also on Twitter X I'm calling it Twitter xter yeah cover the bases he's there at Schwarzenegger and then Facebook and YouTube he's at Arnold Schwarzenegger of course also if you want to connect with Ekko and myself Ekko is at Echo Charles I am at doco willink just be careful because infinite scroll will grab you and you'll waste a bunch of time and we don't have any time to waste so just watch out

for that algorithm and also we are able to do this what we get to do what we do here because our military personnel are out there around the world World protecting us and protecting our way of life so thanks to all of you also thanks to our police and law enforcement firefighters paramedics EMTs dispatchers correctional officers border of Patrol Secret Service and all other First Responders thank you for what you do every day to keep us safe we appreciate it and the last thing I want to do for everybody is just remind you of two

things from Arnold's life and from his book and they're related and I talked about him a little bit first thing is look in the mirror look in the mirror see yourself for who you really are something I talk about a lot you got to tell yourself the truth so look in the mirror look at yourself in the eyes and tell yourself the truth who are you are you doing what you should be doing are you working hard enough to become who you know you should become so that's number one look at the mirror then number

two smash that mirror smash that mirror stop focusing on yourself and see what you can give see who you can help and what you give you will get back it's not about you so go out there get after it and be useful and until next time this is Ekko and Joo out