Joe Rogan Experience #2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day what's up nice to meet you guys great than for having us Joe thanks for coming here uh I'm all happy but this is not a happy subject I don't know it's probably a bad way to start off a podcast of how [ __ ] we are but uh I really appreciate what you guys have been doing um and getting I think I first saw you on Tucker and um the the details of all the stuff you

guys have exposed is it's not I mean it's shocking but it's not surprising it's um it's really crazy so can we get into this like you used to be on the dark side let's start with you tell everybody uh your background like how you got started with this we were born and raised in Washington DC and I thought being a good young conservative was supporting the farm industry supporting the food industry defending those Industries so went to Stanford with Casey she studied biology I studied political science and economics and went on campaigns but then was

a lobbyist everyone bipartisan in DC goes to work for the food and the farm industry and on one morning I'm working with the farm industry to literally steer money to the dean of Stanford med school uh who's a pain specialist uh to be put on an NIH panel to say that opioids in 2011 that the issues around addiction were overblown and he we we actually helped engineer an NIH panel to to issue a report to say obio pain it's a crisis and then later in the afternoon working for food companies working for Coke steering money

to institutions of trust steering money to the NAACP uh to say that uh taking Coke off food stamps was racist uh Coke soda today to this day is the number one item on food stamps what I realized fundamentally is that we are uh profiting the biggest industries the biggest Spenders in the country are profiting from kids particularly getting addicted sick and fear and then and then drugging them and profiting from that what what is the conversation like when you guys are formulating a strategy to try to pretend that opioids aren't a problem like how what

are the conversations like this is really important for people to understand the institutional design of the system which was greatly impacted by Casey's Awakening is that it takes good people and gives them plausible deniability nobody's in those back rooms conspiring and trying to be an evil person they're literally talking do you know to these Junior staffers like me about the scorge of pain you know and how we have to get this innov a of opioids to the American people now it's about obesity and trying to get OIC to six-year-olds which is now the standard of

care in the rooms it's about doing what's right and getting this Innovation to the American people and everyone can kind of fool themselves um with the food it's about getting cheap calories to kids you know it's not we're going to buy off and weaponize these academic research institutions like Harvard do say sugar doesn't cause obesity and then pay the l& ACP to say lower income people need to be getting their government subsidized Coke it's that we're promoting choice and I really did believe that and people believe that I think there there's there's pings that that's

coming through in so many ways um of people realizing this really isn't going the right direction I think you see it with suicide rate among doctors burnout rate among doctors the fact that every friend I have from Harvard Business School who went into the farm industry who went into the food industry there's there's chronic rates of depression around Elite business people I think people are starting to realize this but but but still in these rooms it's about doing the right thing you you convince yourself of that wow so it's just everyone's sort of captured by

this thing and nobody steps out of the lines I mean the highest level Joe you know I think we don't realize that there's a defining existential issue in our country where our major institutions have been captured um I think there's like pings of Consciousness trying to alert us to this like you know you having people on that are calling this stuff out trying to Ring the Alarm Bell and people flocking to this show you know iconic class from the military complex from the healthare industrial complex I think Elon being the richest person the world's trying

to sell us something it's like let's get resources to these people calling these things out I think it's like Donald Trump like I've been thinking about this a lot why is he the defining figure of our lifetime like why have voters again and again and again gone to him and said you know this Maga movement like why are we like supporting this person making him the defining person of Our Generation what does he represent he represents like putting finger on something that's just not quite right with institutions and I think think the problem is we

can't quite wrap our hand head around how bad it is and how so many people are complicit but there's all these signs right now and I think I think we're going to be brought to our knees if we don't realize this that our institutions have been captured like to me Healthcare what Casey talks about it's it's a really visceral example of something just not right with what's happening to food what's happening to our kids health um and I think it's happening to the military too the military industrial complex like I'm truly worried that we're on

the verge of almost a societal level collapse with what's happening to our food what's happening to our health what's happening with the potential nuclear war and I think we have people starting to realize this and they're trying to like lunge out for it um but we're being told it's alarmist we're being told it's a conspiracy theory and and to me that that's what we've kind of landed on this health issue let's just bring it down to the facts of what's happening to kids let's bring it down to just like's forget the conspiracy theory what even

anyone saying this room let's look what's happening to our food and look what's happening to kids because by the stats we're seeing there's something really dark happening like like outside any conspiracy the just the statistics of what is happening to our health in this country and uniquely in America is dark and so Casey if you could do do the same sort of explain how you got on this path you started off with medical school and yeah so just like Cali you know we grew up in DC I was I loved biology went to Stanford Medical

School went on to do surgical residency and head and neck surgery climb the ladder you know do what every good medical student student and uh resident is supposed to do climb the academic ranks publish papers Etc and so I was heads down in that journey and just like cie's saying like with what I think is happening with the American people right now and really more globally like there was something inside of me that was whispering and then speaking a little louder and then finally was a deafening call to me that like something is not right

like I'm operating I'm working 8 hours a week I'm operating you know 2 3 four five surgeries a day and you know in some ways I feel good about that you know people maybe their sinusitis a little better for a little while but fundamentally when you pop up for just a second which they don't want you to do in healthcare you know everyone's working their tails off but when you pop up for just just a second and look around at what H is happening to American Health children's health health across the lifespan as well as

Global Health it's a disaster it's literally a disaster and again this isn't people will say that's alarmist but I you know in trying to understand like why don't I feel right about my work I just started looking at the data in a different way and I started to look at what was happening with health Trends and if you just kind of run through the list of what's happening it's it's unbelievable like we are getting destroyed and it's very recent and it's accelerating the stats speak for themselves you know you know this very well 74% of

Americans are overweight or obese uh 50% now of American adults have type 2 diabetes or pre-diabetes these were diseases where there was 1% of Americans in 195 had type 2 diabetes now it's 50% of Americans have pre-diabetes or type 2 diabetes Alzheimer's dementia are going through the roof young adult dementias have increased like three times since 2012 so early on set dementias we're seeing you know this one in two Americans are expected to have cancer in their lifetime now one in two and young adult cancers are going up 79% in the last 10 years we've

got of course the autism's rates are absolutely astronomical one in 36 children has autism now in the United States that was 1 in 150 in the year 2000 and in California where I live it's 1 in 22 1 in 22 with a lifetime neurodevelopmental disorder we've got infertility going up 1% for year 25% of men now under 40 have a rectile dysfunction a quarter of the country you know this is fundamentally a metabolic disease we've got 77% of Young Americans can't serve in the military because of obesity or drug abuse we've got we've got autoimmune

diseases some studies are saying they're going up 13 % per year um it it's just it's it's really unbelievable and I could go through so many more diseases of course um we've got heart disease which is almost totally preventable as the leading cause of death in the United States killing around 800,000 people per year um and I think what as I kind of just looked around and again these are just statistics I started trying to put the pieces together why is this happening why are these all going up all at once and that led me

on what is now a seven eighty year Journey ultimately leaving the surgical World putting down my scapel forever because what I realize is that when you go to the science with a root cause perspective you go back to PubMed with a slightly different perspective not how do I treat these diseases once they emerge but why are they happening you see a very obvious blaring answer which is why we had to write a book about it which is that it's all caused by metabolic dysfunction um a term that I never learned in medical school I learned

about metabolic syndrome and the different individual diseases that make it up but there is a problem there is a fundamental breaking of our core cellular biology that is caused by our diet and the world we're living in the modern world we're living in today that is crushing the very way that the human body and our human cells can transmit food energy to Life Energy to Cellular energy and so our bodies are essentially I mean fundamentally because metabolic health is how we make energy in the body the way that our environment is now synergistic to use

storing our metabolic health and the science is very clear about this it's basically like all of us are a little bit dead while we're alive that's what metabolic dysfunction is it's less energy in the body we're underpowered and that's very dark like when you step back and and say okay this is clear from the research and I never learned it I didn't learn it at Stanford Medical School I didn't learn in my surgical residency and we could fix it we could fix it really quick quickly if we all popped up and woke up and looked

at the data and put pieces together but of course we're not trained to connect dots that's not our job in medicine we are trained to follow algorithms and to be reactive and so I think um you know just to sort of kind of back up to the bigger picture of of why we're so passionate about this I think that the reason there a Maha movement the reason that people are so passionate about your podcast that talks about this so much people know that something's not right and people know that this health issue is the tip

of the iceberg of what's actually happening in our world today it is a reflection our human health is simply a reflection of the destroyed ecosystem of our globe the fact that we are we have forgotten that we're completely connected to Nature and we're completely interdependent with nature but the the Health crisis is simply reflection of a destroyed ecosystem and humans have become so powerful and so technologically advanced and so connected in the recent decades that we now actually do have the power to both destroy the world and destroy our health and the health is just

the tip of the iceberg of a much bigger thing happening that is existential and I think that's PE we all want kids to be healthy we all want humans to be healthy but this is also it's interconnected with all the systems and all the issues and that's I think it's hard for people to to totally articulate that but that is what's happening and we we actually we actually have a choice right now and I do believe this is the moment that we need to decide are we going to address these interdependent issues and are we

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applicable for new customers only I think one of the most disturbing things about it is how few people are speaking out when the data is so obvious and then when you guys lay it out and when people like Brigham bu Andrew huberman when any of these people that are like very focused on what the problems are lay it out the the data is all there but yet we're not being told this anywhere other than the internet right it's only in independent shows that don't rely on Executives and networks where there's pharmaceutical drug companies advertising you

or food companies or any of these things you don't hear any of this stuff I mean other than Fox News has allowed you guys on a few times right that's right they're the only ones yeah well kudos to them yeah absolutely it's it's a human issue and the fact that people are willing to take money to not talk about one of the biggest problems that we have I didn't even know about the childhood dementia thing or the young adult dementia well type two diabetes used to be never seen you know among kids in their career

right used to be called early onset they don't call it early onset anymore as Casey said 33% of young adults now have pre-diabetes I mean this pre-diabetes is not some isolated thing it's the it's the branch of the tree it's cellular disregulation um and every single disease is going down Alzheimer's is now called type three diabetes if you don't have pre-diabetes or diabet you have a very diminished chance of hang Alzheimer's and you know so so it makes total sense but somebody from Harvard medical school that specialized in Alzheimer's their entire course load their entire

training their entire focus is on accepting Alzheimer's that it's there that it's growing and then figuring out marginal improvements for it there's literally people that are the highest educated people in the world do not even understand what causes these diseases they're just accepting that and and and making the uh the cures for them the the the marginal treatments and I would just say also like if you if you do step back and look at everything holistically like one of the biggest problems with the healthcare industry right now is that it's so siloed we have over

a 100 different medical and surgical Subs Specialties and the business model of American Healthcare right now is volume it's how many people can you see and so that's what you get paid for you don't get paid for outcomes you get paid for volume and so that has incentivized a structure of healthcare where it's most profitable to actually be seen by as many specialists as humanly possible and that's what the average American is dealing with they go to the primary care doctor with a list of issues and they get eight 10 referrals and they spend their

life going through evolving doors of these different Healthcare um offices and not actually really feeling better and they feel disappointed and that's why I think people are frustrated so we've got all these doctors who are incentivized to really be head down in their specialty Lane and not actually step out and look at the big picture of how things are connected when in fact it's it's all connected we don't see the body anymore and I I'm just telling you this from like sheer experience of being in medical school like we are not trained to see the

body as a unified system we're we're trained to see it as 20 30 different parts um and so no one's seing the forest for the trees but like Kelly's saying like look at what's happening like you look at look at what's happening with kids we've got ADHD through the roof autism through the roof these are neurodevelopmental issues then you look at midlife well women and men are depressed we have huge rates of mental illness um 25% of women 25% of women now are an SSRI I mean we're living in like the wealthiest safest country in

human history and 25% of people are on an SSRI that's insane then you go into menopause per menopause that age group and it's sort of brain fog and then we have full-blown Alzheimer's going up so we've got all these neurodevelopmental issues and neurod degenerative issues sort of across the lifespan and you know then you look at kind of the hormonal side of thing we've got girls going through puberty much earlier than they ever were you know we we are the of continents on earth we are the earliest puberty rates right now that's gone down on

an average six years since 1900 our puberty rates are way earlier so girls are reaching sexual maturity at like age 10 Pub then you've got um um in midlife you look at women and infertility is through the roof we've got PCOS is affecting 26% of women this is a metabolic fertility issue it's a leading cause of infity in the country then we look at older age and like menopausal symptoms are a disaster for women this is why a book like the new menopause is like the number one book in the country for a while because

women are desperate so we if you step back and look at all these different things we've got these neuro isues throughout the lifetime all exploding these hormonal issues throughout the lifetime all exploding it's happening all over the place but no one's stopping asking why like why is this happening instead we put ADHD in a bucket we put depression and anxiety bucket we put Alzheimer's in a bucket um and so that's that's really the problem and I think you know when you think about some of these things it's like we're becoming infertile and we're losing our

minds across the lifespan like what the hell is happening like that's what these diseases these buckets of diseases represent and I think that's why I think it's you know we talked about like it's a tip of the ice health is a tip of the iceberg of fundamentally like a planetary issue but like the planetary issue is the tip of the iceberg of what I think is really really going on here which is like a spiritual issue like we we we are like not fighting for life in this world anymore and I think that's more of

a Consciousness issue you know we talk about why is no one covering this it's like I think people see it I think in some way we have like totally lost respect for like the miraculousness of life that that's what our actions are reflecting like we know a lot we have the technology the money and the resources to fix all of this the planet and health and we're not and that's why I think there's something darker happening on like the Consciousness level and I think we could get our way out of this if we like I

think it's going to be hard to get our way out of this if we stick to like partisan politics and quibbling about individual policy ideas I think it has to start with like are we committed to life and to awe and to connecting with source and then listening and moving our way out of here or are we not and if we choose not which is what I think we're doing I mean I think there's huge light happening because that's why everyone's interested in this that's why a lot of people are interested in this issue right

now but like if we don't like I do think we're on the road to existential disaster because we're that powerful now like our and so um you know I think Step One is US deciding like what choice do we want to make in this lifetime do we want to do we want to believe that humans are that that that life is a miracle this universe is a miracle our bodies are Miracles and we want to connect with God in this lifetime we want to build and respect these temples that are interconnected with the Earth to

do that or do we not and like that's the choice we have right now and I think we have to take that very seriously and I think a lot of the political stuff that's happening Maha it's all just reflection of people wanting to find a way to fight for life and not knowing how um but but on the biggest level like that's what I think is kind of happening here and wanting life to make more sense than than than just this constant state of fatigue and constantly dealing with diseases I want to talk about a

couple specific things you said and questions like why are girls going through periods so much earlier well if you ask the New York Times they'll write a headline that says girls are going through puberty weight way earlier and no one has has any idea why and of course that's because there's not a double blind placeo controlled peer-reviewed you know RCT in a in a journal that can exactly pinpoint the one reason why it's happening but again if we put the dots together which of course I'm going to be called like not evidence-based for saying that

what's happening in our environment right now so what drives early puberty is excess estrogens right we're like we're we're pushing estrogens to basically you know spark that whole process of puberty well look at our world where are these extra why would we be having extra estrogens well let's look at our environment the Plastics so we've got Plastics as you know everywhere I love you were talking about this I think with Brigham like you've got the the metal cups and I love it but like there have been 8 billion metric tons of plastic produced on planet

Earth since about 1907 with when plastic was commercialized and the interesting thing about plastic is that when it breaks down it acts like a xenoestrogen an exogenous estrogen molecule that can literally buy to our estrogen receptors and act like estrogens so now we've got you know we've got you know this like we've got plastic effing everywhere it's literally in the air we're breathing the Nano particles it's in our food it's in our water it's in everything um and we've now found Plastics in every human organ so of course that's affecting our bodies and our young

girls bodies it's actually affecting our bodies in utero um there was a recent study that was done that showed a hundred % of placentas that were dissected had microplastics in them so that's one number two look at the pesticides so there are pesticides actually where their molecular activity is to increase Aroma tase the enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogen so atrazine which is banned in Europe but we spray 70 million pounds of it per year in the US increases Aroma taste which converts testosterone to estrogen legal overseas and it is we buy it from other

countries so China and Germany and other countries are selling us a chemical of which 70 million pounds are spread on our food invisible and tasteless which upregulates aromatase and converts testosterone to estrogen so that's number two um and then you look at just the fat that we have on our bod so fat and especially visceral fat the metabolically active fat around our midline that is a metabolically active organ that actually converts testosterone to estrogen um so that that's so we are living in this like wildly estrogenic environment that is created by humans and it's all

invisible and and you know again it's like how would you even do the study right to show that and yet it's if you put the pieces together it's very clear now going to later life and talking about estrogens we've got a huge percentage of American women on birth control pills that's of course post hopefully post puberty but we're we're putting women on exogenous estrogens for acne for PCOS for menstrual regularity sometimes of course for actual birth control but it's like it's it's very ubiquitous now in the environment and and it's like it when you kind

of know this stuff you're like how are we allowing this to happen and then of course it's affecting boys too right you know and so I kind of just think about this world we're living in where it's tons of estrogens it's not like there's a bunch of exogenous test testosterones right it's not like the Plastics are also stimulating testosterone so you got these estrogens then we're barreled with sugar and it's literally like it's our kids school lunches the sugar everywhere sugar is driving the visceral fat in kids which is turning estrogen to testosterone so it's

like we live in a world that's basically feminizing us which for women that's going to make puberty early for men it's going to feminize them you know and then we also have an entire food system that driving visceral fat to make us more more estrogen sort of rich and what is this doing I think in a lot of ways it's it's it's depleting American Vigor right like we're living in this estrogen stew that's hard to get away from this is where I think my experience ties is that on the foundational level why this is happening

it's because these studies are all funded by the chemical companies by the food companies like like we've almost been I think misled by the experts when it comes to Chronic conditions and when it comes to nutrition to take leaves of our common sense like do we need to wait for a double blind Placebo controlled randomized control study to know uh whether 05% of our brains being plastic is a good thing right now the reason do we need to have a human randomized control tenure study to know whether an herbicide like glyphosate that's being sprayed on

almost all of our food and our children's food that people have to wear hazmat suits to spray and kills every single organism in sight do we need a wait for a study like like we've been we've we've just as the medical system is siloed we siloed all these questions and just take taking leave of our common sense like animals in the wild wolves in the wild are not getting like chronic rates of obesity diabetes metabolic dysfunction like we're born with an innate scent of of knowing what's good for us of knowing that the sun is

good of knowing that you know steak is good that broccoli is good we can't overeat those things the problem is we've been lied to by the professors at Harvard at Stanford at tough nutrition school that I believe are essentially from my experience PR for the food industry and the pharmaceutical industry that accepts all these things as a given I mean tough nutrition School 80% of their budget is from food companies um you know by our estimate 50% of Stanford Medical school's budget comes somehow touches Pharma so just fundamentally like on the on the Grassroots like

micro level these industries have co-opted our institution of trust and leted us to lead us and you ask why we're the only people speaking out because because we've made it that evidence-based medicine really accepts all this disease growing and happening and 95% of medical spending right now is on disease once it's happen it's on managing conditions and there's no higher levels of trust in our society then the NIH then the FDA then Harvard Med school then Stanford med school so all of them are enforcing this and then it's really just interesting where their emphasis is

like I was just reading the other day that California the medical board is checking the licenses of doctors putting them under review if they write five vaccine exception notes you literally like on the verge of losing your license if you even go out outside the Orthodoxy on vaccines but where is that level of emphasis where is that level of focus where is that level of rigor around metabolic health for kids around nutrition for kids right I think it is a big deal like of kids getting polio but like 50% of teens are obese overweight right

now like we have pre-diabetes skyrocketing like the medical system knows how to focus on something they know how to tell Congress that there's no cost too high for something like when it comes to pharmaceutical interventions we're bankrupt the country with interventions once people get sick like like I truly believe in this gets to like the solutions and how I actually think this is an optimistic story people waking up why it's an existential kind of knife sge we're on right now we can change this really click it the quick the issue is that interests that profit

from us being in fear that just fundamentally is a statement of economic fact profit from us being sick profit from us being depressed profit from us being infertile they have co-opted our institutions of trust and they've co-opted the clinical guidelines like literally when I was a junior employee I helped Coke fil money to the American uh Diabetes Association the American Diabetes Association says that if you have diabetes you don't need to about your sugar intake they say it's not tied to food right the American Academy of Pediatrics right now is saying that if your child

is overweight slightly overweight overweight 12 years old dietary INF don't wait it says do not wait to see if dietary infs work OIC it's now being studied on six years old the American Psychiatry Association right the psychiatrist that the standard of care if your child is a little sad at SSRI immediate intervention right SSRI rates have doubled among high schoolers in the past 5 years right if your child's a little fidgety the standard of care right it's not asking whether they're in the sunlight not asking if they're too sedentary not asking if they're being force

fed Ultra processed food which would make any animal crazy if we subject them to what kids are subjected to no discussion of that it's just not in the clinical guidelines so these doctors these good people like Casey go into the medical system we're we're we're this magnet for smart people we get them in for the right reasons there's easier ways to make but they come in and they get saddled with one skill they get saddled with a bunch of debt and then they're realizing this is a rig system some people few people unfortunately had the

courage like Casey to drop out I thought she was an idiot I was like what are you doing I was you know we were kind of brainwashed to do the traditional system I couldn't believe it we didn't talk for a year but it just it just is hard for people to understand that you can walk away from this because because our society stamps these credentials on people like what's better than being the the dean of Stanford med school the dean of s med school right now was Casey's same specialty had a neck surgery and the

way you rise up in medicine as you do specialty you focus on you know a couple inches of the face and then he focused on a fellowship on an even narrower part of the body like that's how you rise up you siloed the situation anything that's not siloed is considered not scientific is considered whack wacky we they've called us what the woo woo cockus talking about these nutritions the medical system enforces this siloed view where diabetes heart disease depression kidney disease cancer they're all separate things if you have those conditions you're seeing five separate doctors

not they're aren't speaking to each other that's very profitable very problematic so the solution is is is truly just having the clinical guidelines of how diseases are assessed and how they're intervened uh changed to following the science which is these are metabolic conditions 90% of the US medical budget is tied to managing preventable and reversible lifestyle conditions if we had people Medicaid instead of jamming with the STS jamming them with um OIC jamming them with ssris you know lower income people we're going bankrupt from Medicaid $1.3 trillion it's growing it's bigger part of the budget

than the defense budget if we literally just ask how do we have that money to Spur thriving to incentivize exercise to incentivize healthier food for these folks we'd be a transformed country it's it's literally that simple but it it takes that moral courage it takes Americans actually saying no I am going to go against the NIH I am going to ask questions but of course we have violent just reading you know back I what was it 2022 like every single Public Health official in America said you were like the Enemy Number One for talking about

sunlight and talking about food and talking about healthy eating Co was a metabolic condition Co was a foodborn illness like if you were metabolically healthy you did not die of Co like pretty demonstrably and you were threat number one yeah go ahead yeah yeah no I think I think Call's getting into something also that I think is part of reason why I mean there are a lot of fortunately there are a lot of doctors speaking out right now I have so much like gratitude for all the other not only doctors but like NPS Do's chiropractors

like nurse practitioners all these amazing people who are speaking up and getting a lot of [ __ ] for it but this is very tribal you know and I think that when you think about and it's hard like this is a primal instinct to not break out of The Pact and to not um go against what the the norm is so I think in a lot of ways what we're dealing with like here is going to come down to like how courageous are we willing to be to move Humanity back and and by Humanity very

much also the Earth's health because they're interconnected they're they're one and the same um how courageous are we going to be to stand up for that or are we going to let things slip through our fingers and I think the tribe when I was in medical school like it's it's amazing because of the interest and the fact that you know Stanford got a $3 million Grant from fizer while I was there to revamp the curriculum and the fact that the American Diabetes Association that makes clinical guidelines is getting milli ions of dollars from Coke and

cadburry and the American Diabetes Association is getting millions of dollars from me Johnson that makes formula and avot nutrition that makes formula and vaccine companies that make flu vaccines like the fact that the money I mean 8,000 major conflicts of interest were just reported at the NH with food and Pharma so at every level the um the medical guidelines that if you step out of you are at risk for litigation as a doctor and the NIH you know oh like you know this thing that we all respect tons of conflicts of interests and the medical

schools accepting money the tribe that then you become a part of as a trainee is a tribe that only hears one thing and so I have a lot of compassion for doctors because I was I did go through medical school and not learn any of the things that I had to learn after to actually figure out how to help myself and others truly generate foundational cellular Health to be healthy like I it's I just look back at what I've had to learn since Medical school you know I learned about basically organ specific physiology pharmacology and

then in residency I learned how to do surgery and then of course throughout the whole thing I learned how to bill but that that is ultimately those are not the tools that actually generate foundational cellular Health you know 80% of medical schools in the United States don't require a single nutrition course not one minute of nutrition and yet 90% of our healthare costs are tied to diseases the things that are torturing American lives are tied to food and doctors it's it's not a hammer in our toolbox I didn't learn you know I didn't learn at

Stanford Medical School that 95% of the people on the USDA food guidelines for America committee had a conflict with the food with the food industry I didn't learn that there were 8,000 conflicts of interest at the N age I didn't learn that there are 8 billion tons of plastic on planet Earth that are degrading into end estrogen you know uh analoges I did not learn that there's six billion pounds of pesticides sprayed on our Global food supply every single year uh most from China and Germany and that these are literally tied very strongly to alzheimer's

dementia cancer obesity mitochondrial dysfunction infertility um ADHD liver dysfunction I didn't learn that you know simply taking 7,000 steps per day can slash your risk of obesity type 2 diabetes Alzheimer's dementia even gastric reflux by 40 to 60% and the average American's walking 3,500 steps per day like we're literally just not moving as a country and if you just walk a little bit 7 ,000 steps which takes like 45 minutes you slash your risk of every major you know chronic disease I didn't learn that we need to be getting sunlight because circadian biology dictates our

cellular Health like we are dial animals that have biologic processes that happen during the day and other biologic processes that happen at night and the way your body knows whether it's day or night is if you get photons hitting your retina and your skin cells pretty basic pretty foundational for human health didn't learn anything about it didn't learn anything about sunlight didn't learn anything about photons didn't learn anything about sleep you know we're sleeping 20% Less on average than we were a hundred years ago and sleep is a huge risk factor you you can in

an experimental setting take a young healthy person and subject them to sleep deprivation for five nights and they become pre-diabetic well 50% of Americans are prediabetic in type two diabetic and we're not sleeping well and I didn't learn not one minute on sleep so all the things and so many more and of course nothing about nutrition um you know and Marty mcari talks about this like I certainly didn't learn that medical error and medication is the third leading cause of death in the United States I learned that patient comes in and I need to label

their diagnosis and give them a pill so it's when I when I speak of the tribalism it's like I have so much compassion for doctors who feel stuck right now they're stuck in a broken system the tribe that they're a part of has taught them a certain set of things there are huge trillions of dollars of interest to make the things that they learn a specific myopic lens and putting together dots is risky because if you step outside the guidelines you're at risk for intense litigation and potentially ridicule I mean I'm called pseudoscientific altright you

know woo woo caucus all the time and and so it's scary and I think that that fundamentally this is again why it comes down to like this is actually more of a consciousness as in spiritual issue because it's like we need to pray for courage we need to sit down every morning and decide what we want for the future what do we want we're all players we're all important we all need to use our voices being complicit like what Future do We want and what are we willing to do for it and get our priorities

straight um is our priority like our house and our mortgage and our boat and our comfortable life that's killing us or is it to elevate to be stewards of the future and of the planet and to make some harder choices and I think one thing I would just say if there are doctors listening I probably preaching in the choir here but like this tribe on the other side you know that I think we're all in of like promoting Health like it's beautiful and people are really healthy and happy and it's not that hard and it's

not that expensive and everyone is welcome here in this tribe of trying to move Humanity towards more Harmon you know future um and and everyone is welcome it's bipartisan it's really about like like briam was saying like this is about team humanity and team Humanity Always by extension will be team Planet because they're interconnected and so I think we need to break out of that that sort of like more our past you know human selves of tribalism and really realize like we need to be brave we need to be courageous we need to fight for

life and uh and it's pretty pretty bright and wonderful when we start doing I don't think most people were aware of the problems in regards to the food system in regards to pesticides and in in regards to like how people learn nutrition in medical school I don't think they were really aware of that until about five or six years ago I think it started to creep into the Zeitgeist I think before that people just put all their faith in doctors and then I think covid happened and people lost a lot of faith in the medical

system they lost a lot of faith in the ni H they they saw all the contradictory videos of fouchy saying you know you're not going to Catch Co and Rachel mattow and all that [ __ ] and you're like oh my God this is all a bought and paid for system to promote profit yeah I think I think um jth talked a little bit about this but I think it's so important because nobody realizes this is I think a lot of people listening to us years ago it's just like this sounds conspiratorial and it's just

like what actually happened and there's a couple like really important dates that happened that are historical that I think like set this structure really intentionally the first was 1909 the flexner report so literally John D rockefeller's personal lawyer wrote the report for Congress that basically set the standard that's the standard today for medical education and it literally says in The Binding guidelines that holistic and nut holistic health and nutrition and anything about interconnected to the body is pseudo science it says we need to name the condition and cut it out or prescribe it and what

year is this 1909 so there there's still going by the recommendations of 1909 we still follow the flex report some a policy I mean and get the policies but but like resending the flex report and having updated scientific education and standard of care guidelines based on what we've learned since 1909 about the Majesty of the interconnectedness of our body is a really good first start because we're binded under a law just just demonstrably just like again not conspiratorial John de rockefeller's personal lawyer wrote this report why because John D Rockefeller is the father of the

pharmaceutical industry and created Pharmaceuticals from byproducts of oil production and was the first investor into Johns Hopkins and other major medical schools University of Chicago and started the modern education program for health there were some big issues in the health is with the wild west but he created John's Hopkins and the standard of residency training as a way to Silo diseases very intentionally and then prescribe his products and intervention as the top pharmaceutical maker and the medical schools that he created were basically a distribution system to him okay so you get to World War II

up until World War II around that time the 1950s 1960s I would argue almost any medical miracle you can think of or any listener can think of was created before that time you know it's all acute situations emergency surgical procedures sanitation procedures antibiotics to make an infection not deadly almost every medical miracle can think of was something that was going to kill you right away infectious disease and then and then and then you take the pill or take the treatment for a finite period of time and you stop it or do the surgery quickly and

you're you're cured that those are medical Miracles and we had a lot of good things happen up until World War II very intentionally the medical industry saw the birth control pill in the late 1950s 1960s and the birth control pill was the first pill in world history that people took for longer than a couple weeks it was the first pill ever that is like oh interesting you can actually convince someone to take a pill for years for almost most their life recurring revenue and there was a huge emphasis of the medical industry to take the

trust engendered up until 1960 RFK talks about this we didn't spend money on chronic disease management all medicine was acute issues chronic disease you know diabetes obesity that was outside the doctor's office they saw that you could medicalize chronic conditions today 95 90 to 95% of spending is on chronic conditions so what do we do we in the 1970s the Sackler family that did you know their their grand uh kids and kids did the opioids their their uh their forbearers created Valium and 30% of women in the United States in the 1970s were on valium

Time Magazine Valium Nation Mommy's little helper yeah so we started creating all these psychiatric conditions we started medicalizing heart disease we started medicalizing all these type two diabetes started creating uh academic research totally funded by the pharmaceutical industry saying that type 2 diabetes isn't reversible that it's basically genetic heart disease all these things and started pilling them started pilling them then what happened to food chronic disease wasn't that big of a deal in the 1970s 19 uh 80s you you look at the graph you look at the graph of all chronic conditions there's just a

sharp turn in the 1980s it's the literally almost to the year of the Surgeon General report uh saying smoking wasn't great so the second that report came out Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds were two of the largest companies in the world it wasn't wasn't like Microsoft and Google on the top companies list it was like cigarette companies you know dope mean is a really good thing to sell which which the tech companies do now and they used their cash piles and by 1990 the three largest m&a deals in American history in world history were cigarette

companies buying food companies so you had nisco bought by RJ Reynolds you had craft and us food by and you see those graphs of of of all the food companies owned by like a couple a couple companies that was the cigarette companies and they did two things very very intentionally they took over the institutions of trust to say ultr processed food was healthy and then they took their scientists and rigged the food itself to make it more addictive not to kill kids but to make it more addictive so you had the leral food pyramid which

said Ultra processed food is great lowfat carbs base the pyramid that was constructed literally by the cigarette industry to promote their addictive products and this weaponization of food as I call it it's not just like this conspiracy literally the cigarette and those two companies Phil morson AR were the two largest food producers in the United States like 50% of American food were created by cigarette companies in the 1990s and they have got us addicted and weaponized this food and all chronic conditions have just shot up it's because that alter processed foods literally by tobacco industry

scientists uh hijacks our evolutionary biology again you can't overeat grass-fed steak but these food with Scientists much smarter than any of us that's what they're doing they're they're they're shutting off off our society signals the byproduct of this cheap addictive food which we don't even have research for yet is that it's sprayed with all these chemicals it's sprayed with 10,000 chemicals that are allowed in the United States when only 400 are allowed in Europe all these chemicals to make the food addictive to make the food cheap you know to do the monocropping and that food

is absolutely and we don't need to wait for the research on this these chemicals these neurotoxins are destroying our cells destroying our microbiome in ways we don't fully understand so I just want to make clear to everyone like this has happened like very intentionally like like and it can be undone pretty quickly too but we have to realize this isn't a conspiracy it's true corruption um that um that that that happened deliberately I would just add a few more like dates I like you know I think one thing about the research you know we're one

of the only countries in the world where the burden of proof for harm like we we allow these chemicals to just enter our food system we have 10,000 chemicals in our food system uh Europe only 400 because they have to show that it's safe before they use it we're allowed to use it and then and then you know only if there's issues that crop up do people have to do research so you know there's this like ridiculous G grass generally recognizes safe designation which is essentially a company self assesses whether the chemical that they are

creating is generally recognized as safe no one's overseeing it and briam talks about this like compassion for the FDA they're overwhelmed there's a lot of stuff to do it's kind of like a hoarder's house where do we even start like like I don't necessarily know if I buy that I think that it's pretty pretty bad and bought off that we have all these chemicals but they basically just have to self-d designate if it's generally recognize as safe and then it can go into our food system one thing that I find really interesting is like that

I really reflect on a lot is like what is the difference between a food chemical and a drug they're all just synthetic molecules that are made in factories in Labs by scientists do you know what the difference is intended use so basically if the intended use is for food you can synthesize almost anything you want and put it in food we are being Mass drugged and poisoned in our food system with 10,000 virtually unregulated chemicals which have bought off papers saying that they are safe I mean you look at what happened with all the Monsanto

litigation about n nonod syoma they had to release this whole thing called the Monsanto papers they were Declassified where they ghost writ scientific they ghost wrote scientific papers saying that glyphosate is safe so there's all this corruption in there where basically we have 10,000 unregulated chemicals in our food system and we're getting sick as hell obviously and then you've got the evidence-based people saying well we need to have a 10-year longitudinal study to show that glyphosate is causing XYZ disease and it's like obviously that's not the right approach because first of all it is the

synergistic combination of all the toxins that are now in our environment that are leading to all these pleotropic health issues that's very hard to study so we have to get our heads out of our ass and use our common sense and realize what's going on and and and not wait 10 years with these you know Niah funded studies that are going to be corrupted and you know I think so that's just that's just one thing about the food chemicals I I just wanted to add to your point Cal like um some other dates like you

look at the the processed food emergence processed food like really didn't start taking off until these mergers like it's there was a little bit of a start of it Pro Ultra process foods did not exist before World War II we and you know we needed to have shelf stable food for soldiers and things like that that we could ship and so there were maybe some good intentions there but then it got ex there was an opportunity there that got seen um and we can also you know weaponize the feminist movement against you know oh being

in the kitchen you're a slave you know you don't that your value is outside the home you need to climb the corporate ladder here have this convenience food that we basically made for soldiers and we're going to tell you that this is actually your Liberation so of course we got people not cing families aren families aren't eating together anymore like um you know kids are eating 67% of children's calories now are ultr processed foods these means foods that come from a factory made by food scientists not just processed ultr processed the the highest form of

processing 67% of calories then you go to the 197s and you we have the Advent of hyros corn syrup which as Cali talks about this preceded some of the mergers but Hy corn syrup is a we weapon of mass destruction that basically food scientists used an understanding about hibernating animals like Bears who fructose is one of the only types of calories where instead of making you feel satiated it makes you more hungry and this is evolutionarily and we knew this in the fall when animals are preparing for hibernation and they start eating fructose Rich berries

they need to put on a ton of fat for winter and so there's a feed for mechanism with fructose where it actually gets the Bears to be hungry and even violent to out compete other animals to get as many berries as possible in a short period of time to lay 3D print fat for winter so you so you have the scientist understanding this and say hey we can make liquid fructose thousand times more potent than the fructose you'd find in berries same molecule but in higher concentration and we can add it to everything we can

add it to salad dressing we're going to add it to ketchup we're going to add it to Children's School lunches we're going to add it obviously to soda and we're going to make people insatiable we're going to make their bodies and their brains think that they're preparing for winter that's never coming and that and there has been research that shows that hus corn syrup is associated with violence ADHD and kids all of these different things just last thing I'll mention Flash Forward 1986 I think another very important date which is the date when the litigation

went through that said we couldn't Sue vaccine manufacturers and um the vaccine safety at that's a very important date in the whole history because it is the f one of the first times where we were able to pass legislation through Congress that said that pharmaceutical companies could not be sued for wrongdoing um and that still is present today um they basically put together a little poultry little fund that people could apply to get um you know no fault reimbursements for for for vaccine harm but you cannot sue the company so you start to get companies

being legally immune from wrongdoing which has then accelerated and they're now starting to try and push things like that for pesticides as well so that's just some of the history of like why we why we are where we are today it's not rocket science this has all been very institutionalized and structured and it's the last 50 years like we can undo all of this with leadership and so that's just a little bit of the picture of of how we are where we are today before can I just one thing about the fructose corn syrup I'm

so glad you brought that up because I didn't know that there was a unique way that it makes it more addictive and and kills your satiety oh yeah or increases it or kills it rather because I'd always thought that sugar was sugar and this is one of the arguments of a lot of people that are poo pooing all this stuff like oh this is nonsense sugar is sugar yeah like there's no difference between the sugar and high fructose corn syrup versus the sugar and an apple no it's it's really interesting there's two amazing books on

this um Richard Johnson from un University of Colorado wrote Nature wants us to be fat and then David pearlmutter wrote um drop acid both books are about a molecule called uric acid which is unique to fructose metabolism so when fructose is metabolized in the body not like glucose it creates uric acid which creates oxidative stress and mitochondrial dysfunction in the brain and the body that if you have mitochondrial dysfunction you're not going to be able to process sugars to energy you know mitochondria Powerhouse of the cell so you break the mitochondria with the excess fructose

overloading the mitochondria with uric acid and then what happens you can't turn sugars to energy so what do you do you turn sugars to Fat so you start 3D printing you start 3D printing fat because you break the mitochondria with excess fructose um and on top of that the mitochondrial dysfunction and oxidative stress when happening in the brain is what may Inspire the violence and the ADHD and all that stuff to make the bear manic so they get as much berries as possible this is what's happening in every kid in every classroom in America now

um and so that's kind of some of the biology very simply about about what's happening with fructose so the the apple is probably a bad example but like cane sugar this cane sugar fructose based well it's generally is going to have sucrose which is going to have some amount of glucose and fructose but this is the thing about fruit is that we have 40 trillion cells and we have the ability to clear uric acid and we have the ability to process fructose in a physiologic amount we're never going to have the uric acid increasing and

overloading the mitochondria if we're eating an apple it's when you're eating 20 30 times the fructose that an Apple has and you're literally pouring it down that all of a sudden imagine you get this huge rise in uric a in the body and other things that are happening and uh and that's when it overwhelms so it's it's a it's a bit of that dose makes the poison because our body has the ability to excrete toxins our body has the ability to deal with some heavy metals our body has the ability to probably clear some level

of glyphosate but we can't clear all of it all the time 24 hours a day in a 100 times the quantity of all these things together and the the research and the evidence-based thing and this Cult of the science they love to ignore that the idea of synergistic effects of this of this overwhelming breaking of our cellulars re cellular resources is just conveniently forgotten because we study things in isolation that's literally the definition of how a double blind Placebo controlled study happens it's one variable you know and one thing that you're testing that doesn't make

sense we live in a toxic stew um the only only answer of double blind Placebo control studies which every guest comes on is just like just the gold standard that's everyone just accepts that that's what you need a double blind Placebo controlled study the only answer is a pill like essentially you can't test psychedelics on that way you can't test food you can't test exercise you can't blind those things so anything that actually recognizes the the the Unison and interc connectivity of why we're getting sick uh can't be studied through a double blank tobo controll

so you actually have the FDA that's basically created you saw this with the recent uh uh MDMA decision it's basically rigged that the only thing that can be approved through the you know top way we study things and and approve drugs is a synthetic pill that that's the only thing that it can basically lead to through a double blind FAO control study it's like with vaccines it's like yeah I bet that one vaccine probably isn't causing autism but what about the the the 20 that they're getting before 18 months like we don't look at it

in synergistic you know and so that's that's a big problem and this is where the cult of the science and I say the science specifically cuz science is beautiful using the scientific method and using that way of inquiry into the natural world is a beautiful art but weaponizing papers that are often bought for um or corrupted and you know they the leaders of some of our key medical journals have actually even said that 50% of scientific research that published ends up being wrong so it's bought for corrupted or wrong um we we rely on this

and if when interesting Trend that we're seeing in our world is that if we do choose to put dots together or use our intuition our god-given intuition anything other than this particular way of examining things you are dangerous you are dangerous and I think that that's something we need to really question you know I think especially as a woman like and I'm thinking about having kids soon I'm like thinking about like wow like I I have the ability in my body to like build a human 3D print a human pull in a soul to that

human I don't need a p viwed study or a textbook to tell me how to do that our body and our our intuition and our minds and the the subtle things happening inside us are important they are incredible we have now been told that like you can't trust it and you are dangerous if you do that and I think that's one of the reasons why I think parents are very frustrated right now is because parenting I'm not a parent yet but you know cie is but like you know when we're being told now that parents

are the enemy for using their own judgment about their families and kids like I think that's probably it's it's deeply frustrating to people and um that's basically what we're being asked to do so yeah um I want to talk about Alzheimer that was the other thing that I wanted to talk about when you when we talked about early puberty you you mentioned the escalating risks of Alzheimer's when did Alzheimer's become a thing because I was reading this article that was saying that it was for the Advent of seed oils you very very very rarely saw

it if at all no it's been exploding like every single other kind of condition I'll just quickly go en ties to Casey's Point she just made this year in 2024 is the highest rate in American history of Alzheimer's cancer autoimmune conditions heart disease diabetes cancer kidney disease autism every single chronic disease you can think of is at an all-time high growing at an increasing rate as we spend more money to treat those conditions so I think what one point we're trying to make is that you know all the NIH all the FDA it's all on

accepting that Trend as a given it's totally washed their hands of it and how do we find marginal pills to make this a little bit better not asking why and that question about Alzheimer's the point we're trying to make is that when it comes to Chronic conditions which Alzheimer's is you have to really not ask the Alzheimer's question you have to ask why that's one branch on this tree obesity right this tree and we talk about and I think Casey has this amazing framework you can literally look at five biomarkers the biomarkers of of metabolic

dysfunction HDL triglycerides blood sugar blood pressure and your waistline and I'm not joking I'm not being hyperbolic if we fired every single researcher and every single and and canceled every single Grant in the US government for all chronic disease research and all nutrition research and created all policy to maximize those five bar markers in America You by definition don't have type two diabetes you almost have a 0% chance of getting heart disease you have very close to 0% chance of getting Alzheimer's you are not obese by definition um literally you go down every single chronic

condition that is torturing American life if you're diabetic you're four times more likely to be depressed or suicidal because there are cells in our head and diabetes is cellular disregulation so so like literally I'm not like like on the on the research and the science thing you know I think there's great Heroes who've been you know getting into the Weeds on the on the research but chronic disease is interconnected to basic lifestyle factors I think this is a political isonly every American needs to ask is this an incremental issue where we need slightly better pharmaceutical

interventions and slightly better research or is this a radical shift of understanding how our body is inter interconnected and understanding that that needs to be a shift in medicine and frankly how we view the environment like that is a question that we actually think is relatively urgent and relatively existential modern society is amazing but as Casey said this is dark right now like if you believe what Casey is saying about these statistics about chronic disease and you actually look at the math that we're growing two times with Healthcare spitting the rate of GDP it's the

largest and fastest growing industry in the country the L the fastest growing industry in the United States it's not AI it's not Tech it's Healthcare and as it grows we get sicker fatter more depressed more infertile it is going to bankrupt the country and it's not slowing down so if you actually believe this believe we need a new paradigm is it about getting better research or is about actually saying the research is wrong this whole Paradigm of seeing chronic disase and silos is wrong so I'm sure you can talk more about Alzheimer's but but it's

it's interconnected yeah no I think the point about incrementalism vers radical is the question we need to be asking ourselves like we're not yeah and so in terms of altimer so I think something a really interesting framing is that the brain you know it's only 2% of our body weight but it uses 20% of our body's energy and there's been this Theory with Alzheimer's of like oh it's the plaques and the brain it's the tow and the tangles and the beta ameloid and all these things and so we thought okay well if we can get

rid of those with a drug like maybe that it'll it'll improve but no Alzheimer's drugs really work meaningfully and more recently there's just been this understanding of like okay metabolic dysfunction is definitely going up we know metabolic syndrome and diabetes are going up and the brain uses 20% of the body's energy and something that's happening in the body like diabetes is also happening in the brain there's been this interest Chris Palmer talks about this in such an amazing way in his book brain energy but like we've somehow decided to separate the brain from the body

as if they're different things when in fact they're all just made of cells they're all just made of cells that do the same things they need to do met metabolism to keep the cell working so we've got this organ that uses 20% of our energy and we've got 50% of Americans with pre-diabetes or type two diabetes which is fundamentally a metabolic issue and of course the brain's basically underpowered it's not getting the energy at needs and that's going to express itself as dementia so it's been increasing in parallel with everything that's happening with our increasing

diabetes rates and then the early onset dementia and Alzheimer's disease that has tripled since 2013 so younger people and that makes sense though we've got 30% of teens now with pre-diabetes that was like 0% in the past you didn't have kids with the adult onset diabetes in the past and so you've got now 30% of teens with pre-diabetes you've got you've got middle-aged people now 50% with pre-diabetes or type diabetes of course that's also creating energetic deficit so this neurom metabolic neuroenergetic theory of Alzheimer's maybe with these cells crying out for health help maybe some

of these plaques that we're seeing are actually a protective mechanism the brain actually laying down almost like protective shielding it's a response to an underlying metabolic issue as opposed to the problem itself but of course in our Paradigm we're like we just got to get rid of that symptom of the problem but in fact actually if we could unencumber for the brain to be able to make energy properly make good energy properly that's why our book is called good energy they would actually be able to energ to heal to heal itself and to have the

power to do its work which is cognitive thinking um there I was just going to say an amazing book about Alzheimer's that just hasn't gotten as much attention as I think it should as Dale brison's book the end of Alzheimer's because he talks about when you really look at the research there are about 36 different biomarkers and factors I think he calls them like the 36 holes in the roof of what creates like if it's raining and you plug one hole your house is still going to be filled with water you have to plug all

36 holes to prevent or reverse Alzheimer's disease and of course all of these are related in some way to metabolic Health but it's things like your vitamin D levels your insulin levels um the amount of uh you know movement you're getting vitamin D insulin B12 other things like that these these things that we know are part and parcel with metabolic health so and there was an amazing anent paper from a couple years ago that showed that if we just got on top of some of the basic modifiable factors of our metabolic Health we could slash

Alzheimer's rates from happening so you know I think yeah fundamentally it's one more branch on the tree that is rooted in this metabolic dysfunction in our body which is fundamentally rooted in three processes that uniquely really hurt the brain which is oxy of stress mitochondrial dysfunction and chronic inflammation these are the three Hallmarks of metabolic dysfunction and the brain is so sens and such a complex High processing power organ that these core cellular disturbances that make up metabolic dysfunction which are caused by our our environment um and cannot really be addressed with drugs uh mitochondrial

dysfunction oxid stress chronic inflammation um they're showing up so prominently in the brain I'll just say like there's kind of just a question with all we're hearing about these diseases is like is the reason Alzheimer's is skyrocketing because we don't have enough research and don't have enough drugs is the reason obesity rates or skyrocketing among kids because we don't have enough drugs or not enough research that's the argument that's being given to us we literally being told right after the lessons of covid which the covid lockdowns and what the pharmaceutical industry did with their co-option

of our government with covid was the most significant public policy mistake in American history at least since World War II in modern times I think we can all agree on we are still saying and it's just people I think because we trust the medical system still so much we are literally thinking societally that that the fact that there's an obesity crisis among six-year-olds is a drug deficiency issue like like like it's it's a dark I think blind spot um in our culture right now the reason why I brought up uh Alzheimer's there a couple reasons

one the amalo plaque research wasn't that proven to be flawed like deeply and maybe even corrupt and then there was another uh there's something that came out very recently see if you can find this Jamie I think uh Jay bataria might have tweeted it you were talking about this Max L yeah Max L he he tweeted Dr great yeah so that there was like rampant corruption oh yeah this is coming out every every day we're hearing about a new Premiere researcher who's published you know hundreds of papers in their field who like literally are you

know Western blots are one of these things you see in scientific papers like that basically show you protein levels like copied and pasted Western blots in like papers across their career like just made up data that then has served as foundational Dogma for future research so you think about the ripple effect that's too yeah there one and so this but this is it really gets back to the the core problem that's above all the problems which is an incentive problem like it's a simple economic incentive problem that's basically causing all these problems and I think

it's that what we're striving for in this country is ultimately economic growth and and value that's like that's what our that is what we care about and so you know in each industry you see people fighting for that including at the NIH including researchers we're all motivated by this carrot that is destroying us um and yeah it's it's it's very very dark because yeah Jamie see if we can find that Max lug Twitter wasn't working it's not the Russians um Max L posted it on Instagram as well over 100 and I'm sorry over 100 NIH

funded Alzheimer's and Parkin's research papers contain completely made up data according to new allegations billions in funding and years of research now in serious doubt yeah so that so with Doc with Max actually with Dr J bararia with Marty McCary Chris Palmer a number of of voices we're engaging members of Congress we're talking you know to helping whatever we can with RFK and Trump's leadership on this um but I had a I had a somewhat out of- body experience that kind of hits on on what you're getting at um I was sitting across from the

the member of Congress uh and I think it's the exact same issue on Obesity uh who introduced this treat introduce obesity act uh has 150 co-sponsors and it's to jam government funded OIC so it starts with with Medicare 80% of people on Medicare old people are obese or overweight so the second this bill is signed uh you have open season on all people on Medicare and then the second something's approv for Medicare it always goes to Medicaid for lower income people because why would a old person be eligible for something but not a PO person

in the United States so that's immediately goes to Medicaid that's the game and then Medicaid right it's six years six years old it's now being pushed for on six-year-old so this second dispill is signed $1,600 per patient per month taxpayer money which is why Nova Nordic is the ninth most valuable company in the world right now this Danish company expecting 90% of their profits from the United States on expectation of this bill's passage so we're sitting across from him and I bring these things up and I bring up a simple question of why is this

one-size fitall jamming OIC into the average American's arm instead of oping up flexibility to potentially explore regenerative food or uh exercise or incentivizing those things like it's not even fully anti-drug but why is it so what like what clinicians said this is the cure like this is the one cure cuz it's not opening up any money for food or exercise or any other modality that could actually cure the root cause of obesity and he looked at me fully fully like serious and said I'd never thought of that and I told them that it's being pushed

on kids and that there's an aggressive effort where Dr Fatima Cody Stanford the top obesity research Harvard was funded significantly by noo nordics and millions of dollars in research grants and went on 60 Minutes where the top funer of 60 minutes is pharmaceutical companies in said obes obesities of brain disease and a genetic she said that top Harvard researcher and she said it needs to be aggressively intervene for kids I said there's open season on kids the guy who introduced the bill he said that's not true I'm going to put in the bill that kids

can't use it I'm like you'd be going against the FDA guidance on that you can't do that I go you understand based on the JP Morgan estimates where they literally presented the estimates of increasing obesity rates at the JP Morgan conference in San Francisco and the all the investors clap like seals Standing Ovation Standing Ovation as they presented a chart on Rising obesity rate showing that as OIC increases in prescription rates obesity in the United States will increase unpack that one for me they show that graph and everyone collapse because it's a lifetime drug because

it's a crash diet it's liquid anorexia it makes you not want to eat crash diets don't work right and of course you know more than 50% of the people that even have insurance funding for It Go off of it within 6 months because it's the highest rate of side effects of any Mass drug prescri in American history but but he didn't know all that and he looked at me in the eye the person who introduced this bill that is going to be the one of the most expensive bills in American history the the the the

market cap of the ninth most valuable company the most valuable company in Europe they passed lvmh the fashion company the most valuable company in Europe rests on this bill this is the guy that essensially wrote it he said no no no it's a short-term solve OIC is a short-term solve look at me right in the eyes I'm like no it literally says there's metabolic issues and it warns somebody going off the drug it says you have to take it for life that's what the he did not know that it wasn't like the corruption is you

have the Brad winstrup if somebody wants to do something if we want to change the world email members of Congress email Brad winstrup call his office and say we think before we jab six-year-olds with OIC we should fix our food system this thought literally didn't occur to him so what's happening with this corruption what's happening with obesity with Alzheimer's is the corruption is like it doesn't even get to people even understanding the the the boiling frog it's just so it's just obviously we're just going to find a drug not ask why people are getting Alzheimer's

obviously we're just going to jam six-year-olds with those zic and not ask why people are getting obese and they and then you know I literally get talking points in the room as he starts thinking about oh it's hard dietary inss are hard it's like what's happening now is hard like going to a playground with my two-year-old son and seeing every kid clearly having issues clearly dealing with obesity like six years old you know seeing seeing processed food all over the playground like that like What's Happening Now poisoning ourselves and mass is pretty hard so there

are simple ways to do this if Dr fouchy in 2020 said covid has strong metabolic links and we need to harden up our immune system it's a problem we're dying three times at a higher rate than the Japanese per capita that 16% of all covid deaths are in the US and or like 4% of the population like three this is a warning sign for our immune system we need to shift the healthcare budget to getting fit to incentivizing exercise to fixing and talking to Will Harris and other regenerate farmers and Consulting them on how to

transform our food system seeing that the the medic IAL system has has co-opted what drugs are and what medicine is like it's nothing short of a moral blind spot that food and exercise aren't seen truly as drugs that that they aren't seen as interventions from the $4.5 trillion dos we spent on Medical Systems they do that in Europe the Italians are three times less obese and diabetic than us I don't think the Italians um you know are more vigorous I I don't think Americans are lazier than Italians like there's something systemic happening where they spend

three times less per capita on Healthcare and two times more per capita on living 8 years longer years longer well and everybody notices it when you go over there and eat you feel good eat that pizza you know it's like the only place in the world I can eat gluten CU it doesn't destroy my gut yeah it's crazy yeah it's it's crazy and it's weird that all these things that you say are so clear and they make so much sense they're being ignored well it just it speaks to capture yeah industry capture I met with

Nancy Pelosi two weeks ago um looked at her in the eyes because you know we've been um helping RFK helping Trump and and we should talk about that I think there's a really really important societal Dynamic happening with that Unison but but I'm preparing as much as I can to Foster this bipartisan conversation I can tell you everyone in the room right like is horrified by these statistics but every time their staffers are slithering behind them and the healthcare staffers in Congress are waiting for their next job with the Pharma industry or the insurance industry

and they really drive the place and make the bills but a real problem with the corruption is is these people making policies literally chairs of healthcare committees the simple ideas you're talking about and we're trying to express a metabolic Health on this Simplicity really of why we're getting sick it's it's not being like corruption is like leading them to deny it it's like they just do not understand like like like these meetings we're doing with and this this hearing we we did with Max and briam and others Julie Michaels and so many great people um

it literally was giving these ideas to these members of Congress for the first time you know there'll be a lot more on this but I truly it's it's so simple but literally letting your lawmakers know I I hear two things again and again from meeting with over 40 members of Congress it's like I don't understand this I don't know this and my phone's not ringing off the hook if I go against Pharma they're getting all the old people to call and say don't kill me like like like like to me this issue what's why this

issue is becoming so resonant is because we're all feeling it and I think it's actually we're hitting on the most important issue in the country I think it's why everyone's flocking to books on this issue why podcasts um like why your podcast is the number one podcast gu I mean I consider you I've learned more about metabolic health and Healthcare listening to guest on your show than I think I think Casey's probably learned at Stanford med school so so so it's like people left to their own devices are flocking to this and we need to

channel we need to make a statement with our politics this is unfortunately a political issue so you were one of the people that helped sort of broker the deal with RFK and Trump and bring the two of those together tell me how that got started tell me how that worked out yeah I mean when I think about that story I literally think about 2021 our mom abruptly dying of pancreatic cancer she was taking a hike got a pain in her stomach got a text the next day after getting a scan saying she has States for

a pancre had cancer we rushed to her side she died 12 days later just totally surprisingly and casy and I on her grave site literally hugged each other and said we want to write a book and we want to make this and evangelize this inspired by you and others we want to evangelize this and add to the chorus to prevent what's happening because so many Americans are on this pharmaceutical treadmill and then the cancer is random it's not random like all these warning signs that were missed with my mom her pre-diabetes her high cholesterol her

high blood pressure those were pilled not seen as gifts to get to the root cause and then she was chopped down by cancer this is happening to everyone so how we want to evangelize that and we've been on the path as best we can with companies and evangelizing and through these amazing podcasts like like Tucker um we got connected with people so got to know RFK got to know Democrats and got to know the Trump campaign and in the past year I will say this the Trump campaign has been extremely interested in the policy of

why kids are getting so sick and if you go back uh a year ago president Trump actually at rallies to loud Applause has been talking very similar points to RFK so we got to know RFK sitting watching the first assassination attempt I had like a spiritual what I can call it kind of out-of body experience and I felt the need to call Robert I think what he has done is historic the fact that he was getting up to 20% of the vote highlighting this issue tapping in I think to this Consciousness and tapping into this

to this stream that you're tapping into I think it really showed something and I had this vision for a year I actually it sounds very woo woo but I I was in a sweat tint with him in Austin at a campaign event six months before and I just I just had this strong vision of um of him standing with Trump and how what RFK represents is actually what Trump represents and actually what almost every American's feeling which is this frustration and this rigged thing and this Stu thing that doesn't quite feel right that you can't

quite put your finger on and it was so clear to me that how RFK talks about health personifies this overall kind of institutional capture it makes it real for people in a really visceral way because it's clearly impacting their kids so that was all the context picked up the phone called him and just urged him you know as a supporter as a lowly supporter to consider maybe this is the time as president Trump put his fist up as you know with all this momentum there's rare moments in in history where the deck can change and

I really felt and he felt like this could be a realignment of American politics because that that moment felt very heavy after the assassination so we went back and forth and he asked to you know he's like let me let me talk to him so I worked with Tucker um and we connected them that night and and here's the key point I want to make for my small Vantage Point here they had weeks of conversations and there was not a discussion of polling there was not a discussion of the horse race and how this would

impact the race these were CER field conversations about why kids are getting so diabetic about why we have such obese children in the United States about why we have a fertility crisis like this was a true like connection of these two men and a true deep bond which I think you're seeing out there in the campaign trail that this transcends politics and this wants to Trump wants this to be a generational issue for him and I just want to say something I think we're at a big moment here um there's we're we're debating trivia like

I think the two most existential issues are nuclear war or what's happening to our health and whatever you think and I used to be a never Trumper watching him care about this issue watching what's happening with the RFK watching what's happening of how that's resonating with voters seeing smly you know from my small Vantage Point inside there is tremendous connection of these two men and moral Clarity of seeing what's happening and my my question is this and to anyone kind of considering voting in this election Trump is going to say stupid [ __ ] he's

Trump we know who he is there's two important questions to ask who sees this corruption and institutional capture that's going to destroy our country I think to an existential level and who is willing to suffer that blowback who is willing to go up against these military industrial complex the healthcare industrial complex the education industrial complex that's making us a non-competitive like they are ready who is going to Appo this is a question I have who is who do we believe is going to appoint people like RFK people like Elon Musk to stir stuff up who

is going to do that like that to me is the foundational question and I do consider this the most important election of my lifetime watching these two men because it is so genuine and there is like a genuine desire um to truly transform to to see are broken corruption and institutions for what it is and really truly I I I think prevent nuclear war and dramatically reverse our Health crisis Trump has said that his one big mistake last time was Personnel was that the Pharma and the a Slither it in and gave him the list

of names everybody should ask do you think RFK is going to have an influence on those names based on what Trump has said and I think he is and I think people like Elon are going to be involved I think there's this Coalition of people that are coming together and and Trump's going to put in power and listen to and this is a bipar issue and no matter what happens we have to solve this issue but I will say this so clearly with the most conviction I can we will be on the verge I think

of a health population collapse societally destabilizing event unless true executive leadership sees this corruption and this issue for what it is and says we need a radical transformation in how we see Agriculture and how we see Health our two largest Industries I think we have to have that and every single member of Congress I meet with including Democrats say that in order for this issue to get done we need a president to make this the priority to talk because that gives us air cover and there could be transformational change if a president does that so

that's what I've seen from being in this and and I I can tell you president Trump has kept every promise to RFK and deeply cares about this issue it also seems like if this isn't done now they will take steps to make sure it can never be done in the future they're yeah look what they're saying about um free speech yeah right now you know you probably covered this this it's just absolutely wild the Free Speech comes from the rigging of the scientific research Bill Gates said this week that we need immediate AI to scour

the internet and take any vaccine misinformation out the out of the internet automatically on any format any private web page this is wild and he said because the second that virus in people's minds it's the damage is done so his number one use case for AI is to scour the internet and remove any vaccine misinformation from the internet that is because the largest and fastest growing industry in the country has completely co-opted the most trusted parts of the country there's no higher level than the NIH than Harvard Med School they know that Harvard Med School

is of subsidiary Pharma just just demonstrably the FDA is 75% funded by Pharma like like like this isn't a conspiracy and there's a revolving door and and you you got you got you've got people like Scott gotle I think the people like Trump's talking about still thinking he's gonna have power this person that goes straight to fizer and you got him and people like this and and I I've met with many of them oh of this book is amazing good energy is amazing the food you know of course we got to get kids healthier we

got but we got to work with Pharma we got to work with the the you know we got to work with all the stakeholders insurance companies you know we got to be incremental here there's a war right now between incrementalist and radical change we are living in a great time but we have existential threats and the question before everyone in this very important election is do we need more incrementality or do we need a fundamental rethink of some of our major systems I I I really think that's what's before us and as Casey said I

think we're in a good period of History right now certainly but we're we're facing I think more existential threats that that I that I really think we don't fully appreciate this is a it's such a unique time and it it seems like without a t a person that's a total Outsider like Trump that's being so attacked the fact that they it's not just that they disagree with him they attack him it's that they do it in unison they do it so coordinated that you realize there is a machine behind this and that they repeat the

same talking points over and I mean it's like they're given a script and that there's no repercussions for lies there's with the rushia gate stuff with all the the various different things that have been concocted to try to take him out there's no no one gets in trouble and the same people are still disseminating the news and more people I think are aware of that than ever before and more people aware of this institutional capture and I think this is why the freedom of speech issue is actually so important and so existential because the thing

that gives me hope right now like this all sounds dark but we're both extremely optimistic but if the ability to talk about these issues is taken away that is when I would lose hope right because the fact that you know Independent Media is the most listened to form of media on planet Earth right now that is a good thing we can still discuss ideas and the light can connect across the globe but when you start severing that ability like there's a beautiful Force happening right now I think we all see it like people are waking

up people understand that this a problem like we see this every day and you know Twitter has its issues and whatnot but like people are talking and connecting from around the world to try and figure out how to solve these issues that we all know on some level in the quietness of our heart are a really big big deal and that the time is now and if that gets taken away I worry about what's going to happen well and it is getting taken away in some formats um there was something I believe I retweeted it

see if you can find it about YouTube taking down a podcast for uh medical misinformation and there was none and this is without Twitter without X without Elon buying it and this person being able to post I think it was shellenberger was it shellenberger who can you see my Twitter feed is it up there well this is the oh here we go it's below that hold on oh that we need people like Dr J and power um maybe I didn't tweet it should we rethink the Constitution is the first amendment a major roadblock like these

are questions yeah I can talk a little like like this game is known so it's just like it may be obvious but I don't think people realize this the reason there's such a fight against you is because it's this 100-year change of information sources where the biggest indries in the country can no longer dictate right what the information sources are so when we um when we worked for when when I worked for Pharma the advertising budget all this stuff you hear about like how much they spend on cable news and 50% of TV news spending

is Pharma it wasn't to impact consumers it was to impact the news itself like that like like the spend on news shows came out of DC lobbying offices not the New York like Madison Avenue like like advertising offices it was like we're gonna put our budget it was in the lobbying budget it was like we're gonna pay off all the news so we have a direct line so if you're paying 50% of and a huge uh funer of all the all the tech companies uh ads their ad companies um then you've got a direct line

and then you've got the Harvard study so when you have the Harvard study that's fully funded by Pharma or the food industry like the food industry processed food spends 13 more times more on foundational nutrition research than the NIH but even the NIH is really conflicted saying that lucky terms are healthier than beef literally um uh you've got those studies so so what is this person at the news station or or YouTube to do when you got the Harvard study they've realized that you can weaponize this thing so that's how it's connect and then time

and time and time again I hear from members of Congress on major committees they're just that's the corruption that's where the corruption happens they got the lobbyist just throwing studies you know if you put restrictions on childhood nutrition on federally funded school lunch programs which is the top Source one of them of of of calories for young kids if you if you take sugary cereal like Lucky Charms off that you're going against the science you're going against the NIH you can't be asking for farm fresh eggs farm fresh eggs are down here lucky trums are

up here like like it's funny these studies but that's what they do with them and then I hear time and time again from these members of Congress who are good people but it's like I'm a military guy or I come from business I don't understand this stuff you just got to defer so that's how the corruption works and that's that that's how the research connects to PR yeah is [Music] uh no um I know I saved it so give me one second and I'll pull it up off of my phone because I definitely saved it

if I didn't retweet it but it's I think one of the things that we keep highlighting that I think is very important is that most people are not even really aware of this this is very new yeah to most people in the in the Zeitgeist of the common person the the common person who's just trusted their physician and trusted the medical establishment I don't I don't think I think this is a it requires a real shift in consciousness of people and a real understanding what's going on but there but there's there's pings of that Consciousness

happening like that's why I think leadership is so damn important here Joe it's like it's like when this stuff is under the shadows and when the FDA is able to Lobby to fund the organization that's supposed to regulate it when the USDA is lobbying excuse me when food companies are lobbying you know to have the USDA not have any conflicts of interest when these things there's not attention on them and and and Americans aren't being explained this like Mass corruption that's compromising all of our scientific guidelines and standard of care where $4.5 trillion doar of

incentives flows to like it's hard but but but but I I would push back I mean I just I don't think it's fully formed in people's heads but like I think people are like clamoring to put these pieces together yes and and and and and that is what that is I think RFK standing on the stage with Trump and them grasping hands and saying make America healthy I think it was one of the biggest political realignments and important moments in American history Kennedy endorsing Trump like like I cannot there I think a lot of us

feel it like I I think you see it on the ground like this Kennedy Trump thing is powerful like the media denigrates it but like Kennedy is explaining this the denigrates it but I don't think people have any faith in the media anymore really even the New York Times which used to be the number one I I don't think people have faith in the media anymore they're clamoring they're clamoring to this message like watching RFK and Trump at a rally it's the most electric political experience I've ever seen like it was the loudest Applause I've

ever heard there's something visceral when RFK starts talking about the CDC needing Dr J barer on there and the FDA you know and the NIH and starts naming those agencies and starts saying we're going to get to the bottom of why our food for our kids is poison and we are going to reverse childood chronic disease by taking on this corruption when they say that it's electric it's like a release it's like a release so it's everything everyone's been listening to you reading these books trying to put the pieces together I think RFK is more

effectively putting the pieces together and and I think people ask oh president Trump he eats unhealthy no no president Trump Trump's the foundation of his existence is taking on corruption like like that is why he's on the political stage that is why he's been the defining for for whatever you think of him the defining political figure of Our Generation like because he's tapped into this frustration of Voters that something isn't quite right but and that they're good people and if we can get this corruption out of the way that he's staying in the way of

this corruption and we can unleash the American people if we get this corruption out of the way that thesis is correct like his what he has tapped into is the defining political trend of our life times this populist Uprising that's happening throughout all the world he has tapped into that in a very powerful way he's talked for a long time about pharmaceutical corruption and these issues he understands it innately but RFK really I think better than anyone alive is is sharpening this issue and he's he's arguing as we're trying to argue it's very simple it's

actually not that complicated you just need to put truly as a first step put Dr J bosar at the CDC right put someone who's not trying to get their next job at Pharma who's aligned with this fundamental agenda at the NH at the FDA at the HHS and then have people like Elon Elon saying Elon saying he wants to run government efficiency he wants to look at at how government's performing HHS is the largest and the and the most expensive department and all of government what if someone like Elon people like Bill lman who are

joined this cause what if they were given an executive order to analyze the HHS to uh against the goal of promoting health and thriving and disease reversal for the American people you have the smartest people in the world doing that I mean you'd have radical change like like like that if you can re if you can learn what the Pharma has known for the past 30 years that co-opting are institutions of trust everything else is Downstream of that there's nothing Upstream in culture or trust of those agencies because where do we go about that right

so so they dictate everything they dictate the nutrition guidelines they dictate our agriculture incentives they dictate our standard of care that's Jam a drug down 40% of teen throats right now if you can not Co-op them like farmer's doing but get them back to unbiased science the NIH right now 95% of NIH grants they spending is on marginal pharmaceutical R&D it's it's literally an outsourced R&D lab for Pharma every person listening would expect the nah job is to do foundational research that that's literally what everyone said it's not not at all if you just with

a swipe of a pin and Leadership just demand day one that the NH goes back to pop popul awide Fearless studies about why we're getting sick that's what we need we literally need the only asking that question why are we getting sick what variables are tied to chronic disease have you anticipated what kind of backlash and how this would be handled like what kind of backlash would you get from these captured institutions if this did happen if Trump and RFK get into office and they start implementing these policies and changing things and bringing new people

people at the helm there's one candidate they're shooting at yeah there's one candidate executive leadership is existential to this issue like I like I have a company I'm meeting with members of both sides this doesn't change without executive leadership it's just it's just factual statement I hate that health is political it's not it's by Parson it is political in the next 40 days this will not change if this issue resonates and if we believe that what's happening to our soil and to our bodies and to our kids health is really the most important issue it

doesn't change without strong moral Clarity and executive leadership even if the person says stupid [ __ ] and tweets weird stuff right but even if they do get in office this is my point what happens like have you thought about this like the amount of money we're talking about these people losing every single member of Congress I want let me make this super clear I everyone to understand this it's powerful these interests but we all know this I think we can feel this too they're not monolithic it's a paper tiger we can overcome this it's

because there's not focus and marshalling of the American people and light on these things every single member of Congress tells me they said the only thing that beats money is Grassroots focus is Americans focusing on the issue the most powerful issue in American politics actually aren't money issues they're Grassroots issues guns abortion those aren't money issues those are issues that people are focused on and vote on so what Trump and RFK are starting to do is really tie the foundation of Trump's candidacy in my opinion which is really taking the corruption out of the swamp

and there's other issues of course we got to get the border right you know defense economic agenda but Healthcare is a glaring example of that where there's been focus on the campaign and a promise of focus you know in real itical I think uh validity in focusing on that because people are getting really fired up about this I can't express this enough watch the rallies with RFK and Trump There's real visceral political um focus on that so that if that anger right if that same energy stream that's leading people to listen to your podcast and

leading people to flock to Elon and leading you know leading to I think people frankly to go back to church I mean Millennials are flocking back to religion I like like there's all these streams in society where people are kind of like trying to CH if leadership can channel that you know these are Paper Tigers these are Paper Tigers but you need the president to say f you to these industries that are profiting from kids being sick and tell Congress I'm giving you air cover tell those lobbies to get the hell out of your office

that's the message from the president with that leadership now are these powerful interests is this the biggest industries in the country right are these the most powerful Industries in the country uh yes but but but again whatever Trump is tweeting whatever he's saying you have to just ask yourself and this comes from a person who used to be Trumper like who has the courage to stand up to these interests who has the courage does anyone think that Trump is afraid to to put RFK put Elon put Brave doctors in charge to put people that are

distrustful of the military industrial complex in charge of our military like does anyone think he's not going to do that does anyone think he's going to really stand their way and not take some blowback from these industries he said this very clearly the biggest mistake of his last presidency was not trusting his gut was listening to the the list of people you know from the industry well it's also I I would imagine and if I talk to him my my number one question would be what happens when you get in there like what is that

experience like and because no one really knows until you're in office they don't tell you how it's going to go down if you don't make it you know they don't reveal all that like so what is that experience like and how can you prepare for it without actually being elected president so for my opinion what from my small Vantage points what happens is you get bombarded with complexity right the the what the industries do oh you can't touch agriculture incentives even though they're broken that's going to hurt farmers you can't you know oh Health Care

oh the pbms I'm hearing this all the time the pbms and the insurance companies all these players you have to have Clarity of vision and an agenda which president Trump and RFK are talking about that's super super clear it's like we are going to get Pharma funding out out of the FDA we are going to reorient with an executive order the goal of the nhh back to foundational research we are going to disallow people that make nutrition guidelines for kids to take money from Kells like like there's 30 things that you can do and I

think I think what president Trump has talked about and what is like let's stay high level we're not goingon to have nuclear war right we're going to aggressively call out and push on major policy objectives to take the corruption out of the healthcare institutions to attack the incentive that every single healthare institution in America today makes more money when a child is sicker for a longer period of time just demonstrably insurance companies they make 15% by law profit margin they want premiums to grow that's what's happening Pharma companies make money on interventions when people are

sicker for longer periods of time hospitals as Casey talks about makes money on interventions does not make money when people are health healthy medical schools make money from the sare systems every just a cleare eyed set of objectives I think it can fit on a small piece of paper what you do is you have all the lobbyists come in and St it's complex like like there's just simple questions why are we paying 10 times more for drugs than Germany why why in the United States is 10 times more expensive to buy OIC than in Germany

or Scandinavia like there's these simple simple things you can do that Trump's talked about it Biden's talked about it it's bipartison it's not free market that we're paying 10 times more than Germans we're the biggest buyer drugs in the country why are we subsidizing the rest of the world and subsidizing the pharmaceutical industrial complex that could be one stroke of a pen right one stroke of a pen to um reset and say we're we you know no price setting you can charge whatever you want but we're not going to pay more than ins gerance charge

whatever you want we have every right to do that that's one stroke of pen and then you get the blowback you get oh you're going to hurt Innovation it's not our job to fund Innovation for Europe like Char charge us the same price you're going to hurt um you know you're going to lead to drug shortages well F you like charge a higher price of Dr like you can do but but it's like literally like just like clear Focus like like and and I think Trump like he's talking about this he's seen it so you

know to anyone kind of and I've gone through this process it's like he he he we know who he is but we also know that he's going to put good people in charge and not stand in their way and wants to be Bol and there is the the benefit of him having already been in and understanding all the red tape and all the problems and all the influences and all the stuff that he couldn't correct in four years I I also just can't imagine like if what's Callie's talking about from the top is happening and

putting voice to power to some of these things that people feel and people know if this is actually right now it is silenced at the top we went through four years of covid without a single Health Care leader at an agency ever telling us to get on top of our metabolic health and how to do that ever and yet people were talking about it so if we are able to give voice at the highest level to these Concepts I just wonder also what that ripple effect through our country is going to be like when people

are part of that tribe and can actually speak speak about it without the fear of being called you know just totally altright you know crazy person for even talking about these things that Grassroots momentum that I think Could Happen would be incredibly powerful where we can all come together to work on this because as opposed to it being adversarial with the top it's connected to what the top is talking about we we so believe you know parents don't want their kids getting sick we don't want to be sick we don't want to see our parents

dying of Alzheimer's and cancer and all of these diseases there is this pervasive thread that Americans are lazy and they don't want to be healthy I I was indoctrinated with that message as a medical student and as a s surgical resident it's not true people want to be healthy there's a huge system rigged against them you know we've got people don't want to be feeding their kids this dead trash food that comes in a package but it is what is cheaper because of corrupt policies at top with the farm bills you know people don't want

their kids to be eating this plastic meat in school but you know Lunchables and craft Hines and the USDA forged a deal that's now putting Lunchables in schools that serve 7 billion meals uh to children per year you know and doctors then don't get a single minute of nutrition education and 80% of medical schools so you just imagine like we've got people who want to be healthy we truly believe that Americans want to be healthy and for the first time in many years this could be an opportunity for that to be aligned with the country's

vision and priority as opposed to adversarial to it and I think that that you know Jason karp in the Senate hearing who's one of the co-founder of H kitchen talked about if 5% of Revenue of some of these big companies like Kelloggs and General Mills you know drops because people are no longer willing to buy these food because there's a real movement about it they will change they will they will rein towards what people actually want but right now it's it's like controversial to even push like you you exercise your call you know you're far

right you know these things you have to have so much strength to be healthy in this country and not only that you have to have financial resources and strength strength of courage and so um you know he says yeah if people change their buying decisions with I think which I think will be easier to do culturally if we are talking about these things on the highest level then it's going to change I think also I think a a potential light filled vision of what could happen is that some of these companies might adapt to consumer

demand and do better do better uh processes like we need as a state we need to get back to American agriculture being regenerative agriculture we're totally screwed if we don't do that we cannot continue with this Mass poisoning of our Farmland not only is it horrible for our farmers who are who are dying at astronomical rates from chronic disease but it's terrible for our children and our bodies um and if people start understanding that because people like RFK are in you know in in the leadership positions and that's becoming part of the zeitgeist it will

change the way people buy and what they to tolerate but right now the norm because of corrupt incentives in a rig system is to be unhealthy um and I think when people get permission to push back against that we are going to see we could see an incredibly Bright Beautiful fruiter in a very short period of time in America we believe that's possible I believe it's possible too and I think it's incredibly cynical and unpatriotic to think that all Americans are lazy it's like people we operate on momentum and if you've lived your life eating

bad food and being sedentary you're going to continue to do so unless something jolts you out of that and if there's a moment in the Zeitgeist where a good percentage of people start shifting in a very particular direction taking care of themselves and then the people around them see that and see the benefits and see these people improve and then they become inspired to do it it could have a huge effect on the population there's a lot of Americans that are not lazy no you know I'm americ people want to live yeah people want to

be they want to have health and they want to be they want to be sucessful in life and one of the best ways to be successful in life is have more energy to pursue the things you're interested in and the only way you do that is if your body's healthy many listeners are battling surely chronic conditions diabetes obesity heart disease Etc I don't think any listener in their head wants to be sick I don't think any no man wants to not walk their daughter down the aisle my mom wanted to be healthy she wanted to

meet her grandchild which she was wasn't able to do I think there's this slur and this lie we are a free country we should have showy filled Foods right we should have beer drugs should be legal but we should not be subsidizing Coca-Cola with food stamps the standard of care is wrong like after my Awakening with case I'm thought what do I want to do with my life I started a company and it writes letters of medical assy doctor's notes for food and exercise I I real we realized something that nobody in the healthare system

knows nobody case didn't learn I never ever learned in medical school or residency that I could write a prescription for food or exercise it's totally legal and if you do that it can be covered by you can use tax advantage dollars taxfree never learn that in nine years so you mean you could use tax dollars to give people gym membership yes that is right now legal I never learned that it's called a letter of Med medical necessary so our company true has this year we'll do 500,000 gym membership recommendations from providers we initially got a

lot of questions from the industry because they've never heard these letters of medical necessity we've walked into through walked in the law as much as fizer is tried when I worked for fizer the definition of medicine in the IRS tax code is not a synthetic pill made by a large pharmaceutical industry the definition of medicine is something that's recommended by a medical practitioner for the prevention reversal cure mitigation of a condition the problem is that they've co-opted what medicine is in our brains and at Stanford med school nobody understands this so we've actually been educating

members of Congress about this but but uh there's $150 billion in these HSA funds and this is a message to everyone our company's doing it but I would say it's it's much wider than that go to your doctor and demand a letter of medical necessity when they're taking out the prescription pad for the Staten for the Met Foreman for the SSRI right study after study shows they have two cours of people they've got people that exercise and eat Whole Foods and then they have people that do anti-depressants and go to therapy the people that go

to therapy no drugs but exercise and eat better food demonstrably better outcomes in depression so I think where this all over hits the road and this is an important thing I think from conservatives liberal it's not it's not about lecturing Americans the answer isn't lecturing Americans what to eat I mean they're buying books they're you know listening to Dr hubman a lot of people are on a health Journey but with our clinical incentives we should be incentivizing the clinically appropriate intervention for what health issu we're facing we are facing a chronic disease metabolic Health crisis

it's n out of 10 killers of Americans and 95% of medical spending so just clinically and Europe is actually doing this right if you're have PCOS infertility in Europe most countries you get a subsidized keto diet because PCOS which is the leading cause of female infertility is insulin resistance it's basically on the diabetes spectrum and the most effective intervention the most effective intervention to reverse PC and become more fertile it's going on a 12we keto diet okay it it Spurs so what happens in the United States doctors good friends and actually my my good friend

that I always reference is an OBG I'm from Harvard now is educating his patients about this and we've had good conversations but doctors from Harvard Medical School who are OBG wayn do not know when they're sitting across from a patient who's infertile what causes pcus it's a immediate the standard of care the standard of care is immediate jamming hormone pills down that woman's throat and on a quick route to IVF IVF should absolutely of course be legal but that's an invasive procedure right and no woman listening I'm sure who's going through the traditional medical system

and most you know women many many it's an epidemic right now PCOS they're not told this they're not told this so so so the key and the policy here is opening up flexibility for Americans to work with their doctor to trust that they don't want to kill themselves sometimes drugs might be the end but we're way way over indexed on that right now like could you imagine what would happen if you know Americans who are pre-diabetic or their kids are obese had the ability instead of the $1600 that were mandating for six-year-olds a month of

government funded money to get oympic if that could give Mom the choice give the mom the choice we would have a transformation of our food system and yeah so so that's what we that's what I kind of decided to push on in my life and and and really every American the most defant thing you can do personally 80% of people have an HSA and FSA Account max those out if you're battling a chronic condition or even trying to prevent a chronic condition get your eight sleep get your athletic greens get your you know gym membership

uh talk to your doctor about it like like we want we want a revolution of people actually demanding something Casey and I talk a lot about acute vers chronic this is very important if you are about to die with an infection uh a burst appendix a gunshot wound go to the doctor go to the doctor take pause on chronic you're being kids are being now kind of you're anti-science if you don't get on those metform and stens ssris o emic right that the the the studies are being kind of shaming those moms these poor moms

on Medicaid you know single moms trying to make ends meat that they have Medicaid is just a disaster we poison poor kids and then and then Jam drugs down their throat moms don't know what to do um we just uh we just have to incentivize and and just ask that question and and and and and every patient should know you have the ability to to step back your your kids not going to die tomorrow if they don't take the Statin like there's another route you can go and our we have a chapter don't uh don't

trust your doctor or what is it trust yourself TR yourself not your doctor but like the evidence on chronic conditions which where they have abjectly failed they've failed like like like yeah yeah I mean if you think about what's happened over the past 50 years all of these chronic diseases are exploding and the more we met medicate them the higher the disease rates are like the more SSR ssris we prescrib the more depression we're getting the more metformin we're prescribing type two diabetes rates are going up the more chopine we are prescribing the more we're

having to do ibf procedures you know it's it's it's not making sense the more hypertension ACE inhibitors um you know beta blockers the more hypertension's going up and so it it doesn't really make sense that we would say oh they're crushing it on these diseases but prescribing more pills when as the you know we're prescribing 221 million prescriptions for statins per year and heart disease is continuing to be the leading cause of death in the United States this doesn't make any sense and you know it's like Callie's saying like it is a free country and

people should be allowed to make choice but we don't need to pay for the bad choices for people which is what we're doing we don't incentivize cigarettes for kids we're incentivizing Sugar We're putting it in their school lunches we are also making those Foods cheaper through the farm bills and through our complete and utter support a $500 billion program the farm bill program and it's all in terms of the crop subsidies going towards commodity crops that are tur into Ultra processed foods and making them cheaper less than 1% of the entire Farm Bill budget goes

towards fruits vegetables nut seams be beans ranchers like Will Harris um you know's who's a hero um um and truly I mean if if people want to do something before the election they're trying to slide the farm bill fiveyear extension under our noses right now they're trying to vote on that right now because they're trying to get it in before Trump gets in because they know Trump's going to blow stuff up if you want to call your member of Congress take one minute ask them to do food and and you know not have just government

funded OIC before fixing our food system the treat roduce obesity act and tell them it needs to be a one-year extension on the farm bill this is happening right now I'm getting literally from Heroes of members of Congress are asking me to talk about this they're trying to jam this farm bill that it's 90% subsidizes Ultra processed food ingredients I mean we're slanting we're just we we we you know as a conservative growing up as a conservative growing up I used to work for you know um conservative think tanks used to pay us too along

with the NAACP excuse me we used to pay conservative think tanks the farm industry so we rig the system and then we pay conservative influencers to say it's Nanny state to question the rig system think about how screwed up that is right we we we we rig the system beyond recognition tens of millions of dollars of lobbying spending to ensure that sugary drinks that diabetes water is on food stamps and then the moment you question that you get attacked by the conservative influencers saying your Nanny State we are still in that situation we're waking up

and I think Trump's really realigned the parties to where when I grew up you know as a young conservative it's like you trust the farmer trust food without question and it's totally against Orthodoxy on the conservative side to question any Corporation that's changed which is a very good thing but you still have little remnants of that fixing a rigged Market is not an attack on the free market it's a necessity we have the pharmaceutical industry spends five times more on lobbying and public affairs in the oil industry there's five pharmaceutical lobbyists for every single government

official the healthcare industry just as it just as the economics is the highest spender of TV news the highest funer of TV news they're the highest funer of politicians themselves literally by far they're the highest spender on Research they fund the Regulatory Agencies themselves right they fund the NAACP and civil rights groups and weaponize issues like feminism racism and body positivity very strategically to get this to shut up they are just demonstrably the healthcare industry is the lifeblood of every single institution that we trust in America and to question that is not nny State that's

something Trump and RFK have kind of bashed through we need a reset we need to come together um with the farmers you know with the brave people in healthcare and and and have a reset and I would just ask you any listen does it feel like it's a marginal issue or does it feel like you know we kind of need to have almost a spiritual reset here um and that's kind of I I think we can like I like if we keep focusing on this and keep pushing I think we can really unleash what everyone

wants honestly yeah I think it's also an information ripple effect and this is why it's so important to have people like you lay this out so clearly is that most people haven't heard it said like I think you guys have said it as clearly as anybody I've ever heard and the message is so clear and it's so concise and then it gets out there and this wasn't available 5 years ago it just wasn't it just didn't I'd ever heard it it wasn't I I didn't think that there was medical capture I didn't think there was

a problem with the NIH before Co I had no idea that there was this this prevailing issue I would have been the first person to defend vaccines I would have been the first person to defend the the medical establishment like they're working very hard to create drugs to help people with all these diseases and we've got problems and and people are getting the information now in a way they've never gotten it before through the internet and I think because it's not regulated I think that's one of the things that freaks these people out and that's

why you have people like Bill Gates who have profited tremendously from uh vaccines um and his Global healthc care initiative air quotes that this guy would be so bold as to say we have to remove vaccine misinformation when what studies have been done on vaccines like you you tell me what how clear are you when there is some sort of a correlation there's a rise in all these issues and there's a rise in all these vaccines in children and you're saying that the work has been done show me that work yeah well that work doesn't

exist right and that's why this medical misinformation label is [ __ ] horseshit and it's scary that someone of great influence and extreme wealth would be promoting that yeah when he profits off of it yeah yeah I mean if all these medications were crushing it and there were no side effects everyone should probably take them yes right but but if that's not really the case then we need to silence anything that talks about it like which is crazy I think Co obviously as you've said like it broke something open it broke something open that I

feel like is light um because it's awareness and you know it's I was probably a little more cynical having been in the healthare system going into covid because I was raised as a as a young surgeon with the Mantra as a surgeon you eat what you kill like that is The Unofficial Mantra of the surgical World which is that as a PR Private Practice surgeon what what you eat I.E what your salary is going to be is what you kill how many surgeries you sell and book and so it was very black and white to

me to understand that um that that that the Financial Security of everyone in the healthare system is dependent on how much we actually do to people how much we you know unfortunately see these bodies essentially a box that we can either take things out of or put things in a in you know surgery is taking things out um or put medications in like that's it's very dark that's why I left that's why I literally just put down my scalpel because I was heading out of residency into private practice and I thought I can't I can't

do this I can't that's crazy C right that this is like the business model of my industry cuz it's very personal and then you know I had a really good friend who was with me in the hallway before taking a job um as a as a cancer surgeon and you know tearful saying you know I don't know if I can do this like when people come through the doors of the Surgical Oncology Department here um they are going to get a surgery whether they need it or not those are her exact words and this is

this is because it is and again we I every doctor I know is a good person went into health care for Noble reasons but if you have a if you have a hammer everything looks like a nail if that's what you know and that's what you can offer people that is what you're going to offer people and especially with cancer when people are hopeless and desperate and you have something you can do for them and it happens to be really profitable this this revolving door keeps happening um you know and then there's these like then

just always getting back to systems issues cuz that's where C and I are really focused like you look at some of these things like that sound good on paper you know that and I think this is actually a lot what's happening with politicians is they see these bills lots of things coming across their desk and they kind of sound good on paper it's going to be good for Farmers it's going to be good for it's going to reduce obesity sounds great but the devil's always in the details you know you look at what happened with

Obamacare and like they they did they did speak about this idea of value based care which sounds really good it's like we're going to have we're going to pay doctors more for better outcomes which which is awesome so a doctor would have to show essentially that their the patient is getting better and they're doing it for a lower cost that's the value equation and if that happens they get paid more well the easiest by far evidence-based way to make a patient healthier for a lower cost is to have them eat real food and exercise and

go in the sunshine and and and sleep right and like manage their stress obviously not not drugging them for life and unfortunately that even that that whole got co-opted by industry because what happened was industry got their their fingers in it and the quality metrics that doctors were going to have to report on to get that increased payment instead of it being quality good outcomes being a healthier patient who reversed their disease quality good outcomes was measured by how many of the patients in that Doctor's practice were medicated on long-term medication therapy so a doctor

instead of saying I reversed these 50 p patient diabetes and now they are non-diabetic they would report that they had their patient panel on long-term diabetes medication and they were compliant with it that was a good outcome so even something that sounds good Obamacare value based care can get corrupted if we don't look at the details there's a new bill right now that's been introduced that's all about you know protecting Farmers that's basically going to allow the EPA which is totally bought off to decide out of Federal level whether these different pesticides are safe or

not and so if the EPA says that a particular pesticide is State safe then state byst state it's going to be similar to the vaccines where people cannot sue for harm caused by pesticide injury if it's got the label at the FDA said it was safe so it's like oh well this is going to create less complexity for farmers and we're going to have less Li but it's it's the devil's in the details and so um you know I think that all that is to say I think Co some Co broke something open that is

good because it's basically giving people the courage in the face of Total Insanity that happened to ask why and to be a little bit more emboldened to do that um and um but there's you know there's a lot to clean up and I think that just seeing it firsthand in the healthare system like I have a little cynicism about it because of the way the incentives are and the business model but I think like Cali said with executive leadership this could change rapidly this is it sounds complicated this can be Unwound very quickly nobody wants

this you need Executive leadership strong executive agenda and then a strong legislative uh priorities and you need with the executive agenda to have transformational change eventually get some real bipartisan but I would argue just listening what Casey's talking about in these systems issues we all think oh we go to who are the experts the uncorrupted medical experts who can figure this out I think people like Elon Musk are much more important Healthcare thinkers systems thinkers we need systems thinkers to literally just stop start top down looking at these agencies looking at the web of incentives

and asking what is something that makes sense to Spur American Health and disease reversal we like we spend 4.5 trillion this is on Parson right we spend $4.5 trillion do it's growing at Double the rate of GDP on basically managing Americans poisoning themselves it's like how do we successfully use that money to reverse these Trends it's it's actually when you get down to it and start going down these rabbit holes there's some major things you could do that are very dramatic and it does get to to core bureaucratic you know uh change and you get

to incentive change you get to reorienting the incentives of these industries and you get to eventually where all the money is which is where are the subsidies going to and where are those $4.5 trillion of healthcare spin going to and you just have to demand that that follows the science and go to the right standard of care and frankly again I can't stress this enough just let Americans choose give the Americans the information give the like fearlessly let's give them the information on diabetes let's give them the information on Obesity let's give them the information

on the 72 vaccines let's give them information on everything and trust that the American people aren't suicidal enough to want just want to kill themselves we've infantilized the American people with our healthcare industry and I think there's like actual like cultural and and spiritual ramifications from that we we have told the the USDA says that it's dangerous to grow food in your backyard right literally there's a war on on Whole Food Bill Gates says it pseudo Sciences you said that you know trees help with global warming he's literally putting up Sun Blockers he's saying that

it's anti-science to say the future for developing country and feeding them is anything other than lab grow meat and alter processed food like like like like we're in a bizarre world here we need moral Clarity do we need studies to tell us that regenerative ranching and more natural processes and not raping our soil to where there's only 40 crop Cycles left and try to out Haack everything and spray poison over all the crops like do like we just need to get back to basics my yeah I was just going to say the immediate response to

what C's saying is that's going to decrease access people are going to starve people are you know this is inequity issue people can't afford regenerative agriculture Yeah by Design right that is also a systems issue the fact that people can't afford that food is because we're luxury not to poison yourself we're the subsidizing the shitty food so it's like the that's why at every level you know the immediate backlash to saying any of this is that oh that's elitist classist racist whatever you know because not everyone can afford this but that is literally by Design

and that could be changed as well well just just think about these Congressional meetings and it's not a blink of an eye that that podiatrist representative winstrup Bill OIC $1,600 trillions of dollars of ratification not even a blink he didn't even read the bill he didn't even read the bill and then we get lectured at the next meeting about how not poisoning kids is too expensive or complicated how are we going to I mean how are we going to get the food there it's not comp you know what's complicated sitting a 12-year-old down once a

week to get an injection for their obesity like this is insane like going going to the pharmacy having to pay for that having to get the kid to to accept the injection all the other comorbidities that kid is going to have because they're not addressing the root cause that kid's still going to be living in a toxic stew they're still going to have a totally challenged life their mitochondria you know is that is that OIC going to go into their cell and somehow clear out the mitochondria of all the other toxic crap that we're still

living in absolutely not so it's like we are being gaslit we are being gaset to think that for some reason the pharmaceutical approach is the only one that only legitimate science only it's the only thing we should be passionate about it's the only thing that like defies complexity or cost and silence on kids need to be outdoors playing you know right now the average kid in America is spending less time Outdoors than a maximum security prisoner maybe we should think about that you know the fact that the pesticides the Plastics the the the Sleep the

all the things and somehow that's all too it's too complicated but we can jam Kids for Life with a shot weekly for $1,600 a month there's no reason for this like like like like you just hear this and if it makes sense and you ask like how can this be undone it's just like it truly like this could be undone like like like it's just it's just because we haven't had focus on it but like you can get this done in a year like I truly believe that RFK you know and Trump will focus on

this I think it's also something that truly should be uh a non-political issue in terms of bipartisan it's like I know they labeling exercise and I've I've seen them even label red meat consumption as being some sort of a far-right thing and liking sunlight right it it's all horseshit and I think most people realize it's all horseshit it's not like the abortion issue it's not like immigration it's not like one of these things that people are ideologically captured to side on one side of the fence or the other I think it's a fundamental human thing

that would resonate with most folks if it start everyone wants this everyone wants this I mean again we we are idealistic but this is a legacy issue I I I I I I it's not a partisan issue again I think that executive leadership we have to be cleare eyed if we don't have moral Clarity and people that are going to say go away to the these industries and have clear level-headed thinking on what's actually happening we're screwed but but there are members of Congress and there's bipartison appetite again we've been meeting with dozens of them

we've get I've been getting personal DMS from members of Congress um on this journey people are clamoring for answers here and I do believe that a focus on chronic disease reversal uh can be a banner bipartisan initiative that will go down in history you know I I I think in a history book if we're still around in 100 years we'll talk about this moment where we I mean we'll what the shame we'll have for what we did to kids on Obesity like childood obesity there's no greater moral stand in our country it's like 3% in

Japan it's like 50% of teens are overweight or obese here so just like what are we doing and if we're not thinking about this like what are we doing with our time right you know I just really don't understand sometimes but I think that that gets into some of the tech and the more cultural issues like we're so distracted and by Design right like we're so obsessed with on our phones 10 hours a day you know the average kid I think it's seven hours a day now on a screen so we're not we're we're totally

funned in on this stuff and then you've got these other cultural factors that may have good intentions like Tech has a great side and feminism has a great side but they get weaponized culturally to say like yeah you know like we were talking about earlier women don't cook being a mother is second class citizenship It's associated with like being property enslave get out of the workforce rise the corporate ladder and women are now 25% of them on our ssris divorce rates are 50% men are lost because basically women are saying like men don't have a

role anymore you know we got this and kids kids are are not being able to you know get that quality time with their family to play and to be wisdom to be passed down and to have home-cooked meals and you know and I feel it's it's obviously the beautiful sides to that but also it's like we've totally lost our priorities and we're giving away our attention freely so that we're so distracted um that we're missing we're missing the existential issues that are happening here now and I think that what Cy and I really want to

share is that like there's there's a way to get back to I think deep fulfillment and Genuine Health but it's it you know we do have to the chronic disease epidemic is just part and parcel with all of this because um you know our brains and our bodies are are basically getting destroyed and then it's a vicious downward cycle where if our bodies aren't strong and our minds aren't strong we're actually less strong to be able to to to face and to push back against the things that are trying to capture our attention you know

you get a kid who's eating the dead food filled with the sugars and the seed oils and their brains inflamed they're on the dopamine treadmill from life and so they're going to be more um easy to succumb to the the phone that hits the dopamine or the drugs down the road I think you talked about this with briam like you put the rats in a group and if they're in community and they have kind of that purpose of community they're not going to choose the heroin right they're going to just choose the regular water but

that's why the food is so interl with all of it like I just look at the food we're feeding our kids and we're we're doing this because families feel strapped for time and money you know and that's a societal issue and we've also bought into this idea that like both parents need be working all the time to have for women to have any value in society which is insane um and forgotten that parenting is the most precious incredible act we possibly could do I think as humans and raising healthy strong critical thinking people but like

because of all of these forces we are just giving food to our families that is literally dead Ultra processed food is dead food like the second people don't really understand this doctors certainly don't the second food comes out of the Earth or is killed if it's an animal like it starts degrading that's just what happens and the food has tens of thousands of molecular components in it that work miraculously with our cells to generate health and right now the average piece of food I mean 67% of our calories are ultr processed food totally dead totally

stripped of all those miraculous nutrients and the average piece of fresh food is traveling, 1500 mil from the soil to our plates and is usually out of the ground for weeks so we are literally eating dead food that has lost all of its magic that is god-given for us to have cells that function properly and all of this is tied in to all these cultural societal factors that are being like used against us to make us think that our priorities are basically just climbing the corporate ladder it's all interconnected and fundamentally we need to just

wake up and really focus on like again like get back to the the core Basics below all of this above all of this which is that our life is a miracle it is a miracle that we are here that you're here that I'm alive that Call's alive that we're all here it is so insane that we get to have this experience and privilege to be alive once and to have these finite number of days and we're squandering that because we're distracted and we are we are allowing ourselves to um live in fear when in fact

we don't need to have fear because we are these incredible miraculous beings and I think so that's why I think just to we're talking a lot about policy I think it's really important but I think it also like a lot of this is going to come down to us having a reckoning in our families and our communities with ourselves of like getting back to that higher level of like Jesus Christ like we're alive this is insane and this body is our Temple it's our one home and we're destroying it um and that's not the best

idea like we could actually be doing it differently we could be honoring it respecting it letting it produce the energy it needs to produce to be able to reach our highest purpose in this one Lifetime and it's not that complicated and I don't understand fully I reflect on this every day with cie like why are there dark why are there forces that don't want that to happen I don't understand I don't know if it's just money like because it's big right like everything we're saying is not the direction we're going in as a country as

a world and you know I don't I don't understand that it feels like we we have an opportunity to elevate Consciousness here on this planet for future generations and we're choosing not to but we could make a different Choice today all of us by by by really digging deep into our spiritual um strength and and being bold right now I think now's the moment and it's it's above political there are political tactics that I think can help bring it to fruition but fundamentally it starts with us each of us individually believing that this life is

a miracle and fighting for it well said I think we might want to end it right there because that was so perfect anything else thank you thank you thank you guys listen this message is so important you guys lay it out so well and I think people are waking up I really do and I hope that this being connected to Trump doesn't put people off to the point where they're not able to recognize that this is about all of us it has nothing to do with political party it has nothing to do with ideology it's

just about being a human being and that money and that the pursuit of constant money from these corporations has created this diffusion of responsibility thing where each person inside that organization doesn't feel responsible for the overall result and that they're not all bad people and we don't it's not demons running all these organizations these they're people that have been captured by a system that's been captured and it's all about money and that's why those people cheered when they found out that OIC was going to be prescribed for everyone yeah yeah so thank you very very

much um please tell people is there obviously your book um good energy that's available um is there a way do you guys have a website where people could reach out to as well yeah I'm at Casey means.com um I have a Weekly Newsletter that examines all of these things I'm also the co- founder of a company called levels um which is part of this whole mission which is to basically Empower people we have democratized access to continuous glucose monitors so that people can actually understand their own metabolic health because it's the most important aspect of

our health and right now that technology has been actually by the healthc care system been sequestered just to people who already have type two diabetes and the vision of the company is to help people before they get these diseases to understand how their diet and their lifestyle are affecting their metabolic Health by using these totally available not very expensive sensors and pairing it with intelligent software so we've seen amazing things people losing we've had people lose 120 pounds just by having awareness of what This Disaster food is doing to our blood sugar um so levels.

comom casy means.com and then of course our book good energy and um I think the most important thing we can do today is steer our medical dollars to these root cause metabolic interventions like exercise we could do that right now with hsas fsas which is why I started tred.com everyone listening should look at your HSA fsas you can go to tred.com figure out how to spend those that money if you qualify on real medicine like we have if we can get our dollars to real medicine and away from waiting to get sick for Pharma we

can do some major things and most people are doing their HSA contributions in in right now um in chronic disease.org is something I set up it just connects you with your member of Congress with some scripts to talk about this I do think if people are compelled we talked about the political uh there's a real spiritual level here and I think I think getting a little bit more involved just calling your member of Congress for a couple minutes does make a difference so i' urge that in chronic disease.org thank you thank you thank you both

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