MATHEUS ROCHA ''COMO UM CÃO DE RUA MUDOU A MINHA VIDA'' - PODPEOPLE #198

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] those of you who are waiting for our Episode, I'm going to ask you to subscribe to the channel Share the content and press the Bell so we can inform you all the news about our guest today he is a marketing specialist and vegan influencer whose life was transformed by the adoption of a dog he started calling Paola. He shares an accessible and welcoming lifestyle with a focus on animal causes and veganism in our Today's chat we're going to talk about raising awareness of meat consumption, the positive impact on health and

also tips for those who want to start in the vegan world in a simple and economical way with you Mateus Rocha [Music] Hello everyone, welcome to more an episode of pod people a place where we meet to see and hear people People who Do People who happen People who inspire our guest today is the vegan influencer Mateus but before calling him I wanted to extend an invitation to you, don't worry forget to sign up our channel to share and press the bell to receive all the news because people stop by here, write, forget to subscribe

and the more subscribers, the more people we can bring here, everything is good, my dear, it's not a pleasure, you're here, I still can't believe it, I I've been following you for a long time, I admire you a lot and I hope that with this episode we can demystify a lot of things about veganism that people think but in practice it's different and they don't know, right? And one thing I thought was fantastic, so I'm about to bring you somebody I've been vegan for a while now and I was like, I don't want someone who's

that radical person like, look, if you're not vegan, you're going to hell, I don't know what, I think we have to respect everyone, for example, I I became vegan in a slow process Ah, you're vegan, I didn't even know it's a very slow process so it wasn't easy and I think it's not easy for people because we have a culture, we have a very large culture of like oh if Not eating meat doesn't make you smart if you don't have it I don't know that you don't gain muscle so that's all I always thought I

never said I don't say if someone is eating meat next to me Ok I'm not that type of person like that there's eating, not everyone has their time, right? And what I thought was cool about your story was that your time was awakened by a little animal, yes, that's something I can't live without Paul So I wanted you to tell me a little about your journey until you became today a vegan influencer Because you used to work with computing, computing, computing, so when I graduated I graduated in Information Systems, so I started working with IT,

everything else, but honestly, I didn't like it, it was like, oh, if you graduated, you have to do something, you have to work on that, exactly, I supported the company, everything else, and then what happened on a trip we went on To Guarujá a dog started following me, it was Paola and I at the time But you went on vacation I went on vacation by chance so nothing to do with work Nothing to do except that at the time I lived with my parents and they said oh no you can bring a dog none ,

just like that then it started following me I even put my flip flop on the sand and said I'm going to go into the sea and see if the dog goes away then she grabbed it Exactly, she lay down next to the flip flop and was waiting for me I said dude I don't have anything do more then followed me home and then I adopted her who is now Paola Uhum And then at that moment it wasn't and when you got home you lived with your parents Oh it was a total hassle and so there

wasn't much space for her either I said oh I will I'll stay with her and I'll manage if I need to leave here I'll leave because I really took responsibility and when you get a love for the animal there's no way you can do anything like a child if I don't abandon a child I wouldn't abandon it either I 'm going to find a way, I agree with you, there are people who don't think like that, there are people who buy it at Christmas and then they give it away and then they discover that they

pee and poop and then they give it or give it or leave it exactly, but on the road, so like that, but I agree I would never would do that And then it just kind of sat there in I managed the house only I I wanted to spend more time with her and my work I was away all day and I didn't have much time so I started studying marketing on the side and then I started working Home Office uhum on that After a few months I started to reflect on how I love it so

much These animals I say that I love animals every meal I'm eating an animal naturally I felt hypocritical because I said Man I can't say that we are animals I'm eating an animal no one influenced me I didn't even know that veganism existed And then I started to reflect on it until I watched a documentary on how it works the animal industry that then I saw what happens there but before that you tell me what became the key was on social media I saw someone petting a cow at that moment it became like this I

said man it's not the people at the Sanctuary love that Save, no, right, because I'm I, I help there, I get paid that monthly fee, I'm dying to go there, but as it's in Rio Grande do Sul, there was that flood problem. I went there, I hope, and next year, God willing, it's very important to help Sanctuary There are many better knives friends, I didn't even know, yes, exactly, so it made me reflect much more than seeing animals suffering so much that I use this approach today And then when I saw what really happened, I

said, oh, I'm going to stop eating meat, I didn't become a vegan. at the time because I didn't even know anything, maybe he went to his house and started I started to remove the red meat, that's what I said, people, cows, you know, they're so cute and they're a very docile animal, right, a mammal like a dog, it's not that thing when take the puppies away shout that, I said, well, it's not cool , so I started with red meat and then I started going, you know, but very slowly I didn't have any radicalism. you

take it out overnight, you might have a health problem, you can't, that's certainly what happens to most people because you take it out but don't replace it, none of you have to learn to eat again, right, I was the same thing, I took out the red meat only. which lasted a day, the next day he said I'm going to take out chicken and all the meats you at the beginning I said I'm going to radicalize this but for me the meats were very calm what took the most meso was the cheese Milk cheese egg more

or less than milk so egg plus practicality in everyday life but then as I say Dude, I don't want to contribute to the suffering of animals anymore, what do I need to do? I didn't eat vegetables, it was rice, beans and meat. I said, dude, I'm going to have to like eggplant from Giló de Abbin, I don't want to save the animals, I'm going to have to learn how to eat exactly so so many people think that Oh but I really like meat, I don't eat vegetables I was like that too I'm unsure if people

like meat so much I did a test of eating raw meat Wow, it doesn't taste raw at all, it tastes like that what what we like are the seasonings of the spices and the sauce that we make, so when I started to see that I love spices, we, rosemary, I love these things, when I started to see that everything I could put in terms of seasonings in something gave me pleasure, I said guys, I don't I like meat, nobody likes meat because I don't see anyone eating meat without anything, you've seen it, I've seen it,

but few people have. So it must be people who have a different taste, because eating meat for meat's sake, I don't think it's tasty, at least In my taste, what gives flavor is the plants, in this case, right? And for example, we eat it raw. Fruit is delicious raw. You see the foods that we would eat naturally, lettuce, even though it's not that tasty, you can eat it in peace, now if you get it, eat meat so we don't see an animal suffering and There's that desire, we feel compassion, but when we think that the

industry takes away, it doesn't exactly make a connection, disconnecting, I remember that when I was about 8 years old, my grandfather had a chicken coop, right, so I played with the chickens and the roosters with the chicks when they were born and one fine day I don't know why the association I looked and discovered that the chicken I ate was the chicken I played with I don't know exactly what happened I was so devastated so devastated I looked and I said but she's not there anymore I said Where's the chicken, so no, she went to

the neighbor my grandmother I think she felt sorry, right ? As a child, we will naturally choose fruit over an animal, but culture, marketing, customs, we are kind of changing that, but we can reset that and go back to what we really believe is what happened to me, I said man. No matter what I need to do I will no longer contribute to this industry Because I am a person who defends animals So how could I respect everyone? Of course, but I didn't feel good about myself, yes, it's a matter of coincidence, it's a matter

of pleasing one or the other, it's a matter of intimate awareness, that Yes, and 7 years ago, it was very different from today, so, it was a lot of jokes, it was like you, at the time, I became vegan, it was just bad things, other than my well-being, my conviction, so it was a joke, there was nothing to eat, there were no vegetable meats one had industrialized many times I When I was younger, I would sometimes eat leftover pizza edges because there wasn't a vegan pizza without cheese, right ? and I'm from a time when

there was no option either, so for example when I worked with teenagers there were a lot of cases of teenagers who became radicalized, that's a long time ago in the early 1990s, right? I helped a girl once and she became eh vegan and what happened was that she developed depression Wow, she didn't have protein, she definitely didn't have protein, I went to see the whole history, there was something wrong, there was a turning point, then her mother said no, she stopped eating. eating but she stopped everything at one time there was nothing uhum the only

thing she had at that time was soy meat but it was horrible and Mud Car's quality of soy was horrible that having a lot of conviction was inedible and there were no nutritionists who said we're not going to do it the transition we can take the protein here the Vegetable milks The cheeses made from vegetable milk didn't have any of that so it was much more difficult can you let Paola come here there's a problem don't bring her here let me try to leave her here love let's see come here Paulinha come here come here

sit down So, let's see, stay there quietly Oh, my love, welcome, welcome, if there's a chair, it'll be quieter, let's put it, we'll put it in a chair, take a chair, OK, my love, I don't want to be away from you. my father, I don't want to be away from my father, so let 's see here, Paula, you have to stay still in the chair . I took her home too, but like, on the beach, she wasn't that pretty, she was well-defined, she had a uterus infection, tick disease, if I hadn't adopted her, she would

have died exactly, so that's something I'm left with. very proud to have done it too because I would never buy an animal, responsibility, right, knowing that there is an animal on the street that needs it too, right, and At the time you commented, I went to three nutritionists, Ana, and what you said, you can't go vegan, you'll get sick. But I was convinced, I said, man, I'll do some research, I started searching on YouTube, I found a vegan noista saying that because that's what you said, becoming vegan will make you healthy It depends if you

eat rice, fries, ketchup and farofa, you'll get sick. Just stay Flá, you understand, you have to eat rice, beans, or broccoli, vegetables, then you'll be fine. Fruits. So this is a very common mistake for those who sometimes follow this line of animals, which I followed too. Ah, I love animals, but no. I worry about my health If you don't worry about your health, in addition to giving a bad image of vegetarianism, veganism, people will look and say, this person is sick, I won't follow what they are saying, you will have personal problems and you will

have to sometimes go back to eating the animals that the person wants to defend, so for those who want to start, I really recommend it do some research, if you can, go to a nutritionist and no, and you're not in a hurry, exactly, go a little bit, go a little bit, you were radical, I was a slow process uhum very slow, so I removed the red meat, then I went through red meat, then white meat, it was a process, it wasn't easy. but I used and abused seasonings So, but I also made mistakes, for example,

I removed the meats and then I started eating a lot of cheese . be if I tell people if you're not thinking about it, reduce it, start reducing it, start adding spices to things you thought you didn't like, yes, you understand, for sure, I have something good that I love pepper, so Pepper D sab all That's right also put it on Pimentinha al look at beans when beans I say no I throw pepper on the beans exactly so I have this advantage there are people who don't like it but I love it and so people

also have to understand that for example when I ate biring it First time I thought it was bad I did what I breaded Ava like this, I made it more palatable nowadays as you eat it you get used to that Taste so it's a process ISS I told you people don't sew on the meat they sear the sauce on the meat that's why you a a good cook is the one with the best seasoning, not the one with the best meat, the best chicken, the best sauce, understand? And you, what motivated you to become vegan,

the same thing, like, for example, when I discovered that in Korea they killed the dogs to eat tin the festival of dog that was for me um you know of course you can't go there and create a culture it's not even my intention but hey It hit me how come I love dogs I can't live without a Dog I don't write without a Dog damn yes there was I had one interval that I didn't write for two years that I lost my dog ​​I said I won't have any more, the book wouldn't come out, so

that's because I stay at home to write and when I'm at home the dog is very happy, you know it will stay in home so she was total I'm happy, so I looked and told them to do this OK, but I feel this way, I have to deal with my feelings, right, of not feeling comfortable And then you make the connection, right? So, I don't know, sometimes I thought like that, ah pig, chicken and cow are to be eaten, so when I found out about this, I also said, I don't think all animals can be

eaten, it's our culture that chose it, so why eat it exactly, right? If we love these animals, and for example, today I have a pig Joaquim, I don't know if you've seen it, I saw it, I saw it I saw Joaquim, Joaquim, man, he's a pink dog, it's impressive. I had a patient who bought a pig and got completely attached to it, and he really grew a lot, and he really grew a lot, and then in the building they started complaining about the noise he was making, so she took him to the farm. something like

that but it's like a dog when she was describing things to me I said swear she said Bia it's like a dog it's like he lies down when you pet him he asks for affection he follows you it's impressive and this Sanctuary there in Rio Grande do Sul love that Save, they have pigs too, right? there was a litter of pigs there and they rescued a lot of animals from the floods that also arrived there during the floods and I was watching and I said, people, it's just like the affection you give to cows and

the receptivity is the same, and when we approach this subject, it's Me I feel like people close themselves off a lot at the time, that's why I always try to use this approach of GO, charging, not charging, it's each person's moment, this also involves psychology because if you set up that person's way of trying to convince me, she already closes herself at the same time if you defend the person when they are defended they deny it That's right, it's just like a person who uses drugs and you start, you have to let go, okay, okay,

they will defend the drug until death, the best friend is the drug So I think the We have to understand that we have a culture, yes, which is very difficult, right ? animal but it's not, right? So we have a culture of a lot It's still a mistake in that sense, but I think people are free. I always say that, right? People look at me and say, oh, a Car barbecue, right? You're going to a barbecue, person, but look at the smell. Look, I don't know what, ok, but are you sure? you don't want meat,

I can't believe how you can resist meat, I said because it doesn't taste good, so what do I do today when I go to the barbecue, I make a more sophisticated barbecue than other people's barbecues, so I take sausage there vegan farofa mayonnaise and it's good you pay attention to the seasoning ex Exactly because people are going to look Well this guy he doesn't eat animals he's eating all this good stuff why not maybe try it you're planting a seed in people Ho there are many options today. much easier, right, lots of options, exactly what

people, Oh, I'm going to run out of barbecue, it's not just going to change what you're going to roast at the moment, exactly, and the seasoning, everything, everything, the seasoning makes a lot of difference, a lot of difference, and the internet before, I didn't know much, it's a lot. It's easy to see a recipe, right? Before, I didn't know how to make soy meat, wow, it was horrible, just like you said, horrible, no, in the 90s, my dear, it was horrible, no matter how much I made it, it was good today, wow, my employee makes

soy meat that people swear is ground beef exactly believe And then when I started talking about veganism, bro, I started researching a lot about this psychology issue too because I really wanted to understand human beings because I think so, most people are not in favor of it but either they run away or they they don't want to see it or they refuse We have to understand what goes on in the human being's head, which is when I started studying a lot. Luci Helena too. I'm a big fan of hers. It's for us to really understand

human beings and be able to help them and not accuse them and push them away, I really missed that. also on social media, so much so that it was one of the reasons that made me create it because I was an extremely shy person, so I never even raised my hand in class to ask a question so you would have an idea, question but my conviction in my purpose made me like this man I need to speak for animals everything I have to barrier here I'm going to break because I have to make this message

go forward so Paola after her my life has completely changed direction because everything in my life she's getting to know the environment so I'm golden stay quiet there Paula stay quiet there So after her, I'm a new person, that's why I'm so grateful to her, I bring her along because she really is what made my life change meaning, I broke a lot of problems that I had, interesting, you're saying it like that, eh one of the things it also made me I said right, this thing about eating dogs, these things, studying a little more about

mammalian behavior. But one thing that was also very important for me, right, was Chico Xavier's view of dog animals, which was it, there were two things that they they were were beings who came to help our evolution uhum right totally and there were also some who thought and think that they also reincarnate in one of spiritualism and this thing about reincarnation was so interesting that there is a scene that Chico Xavier always had There were a lot of stray dogs that he picked up, right? And then there was one that was a little ball and

the little dog was a dog that lived with him back and forth, little ball died, and after about eight months a dog came in at the time he was there. psychographing the huge queues that were in the center and then this dog jumps on his lap, comes on his chest and starts lame here exactly then he said like this I knew that the little ball had come back in the same way because it's as if it were he said as if the fur was catassi, she came in and jumped on his lap and did the

same thing, damn, how strong, so no matter how much you see, of course, I don't have any religion, but I have sympathies for some things, some human ideas, eh, and then when I saw I said that, one more factor, is this true or not? The fact is that it's good for me, my conscience is I think this is the most important thing, we're okay, right? As much as everyone thinks it's wrong, if you're okay, it's the most important thing. of everything ex exactly, so I can say that as red meat started to come out, weight

maintenance, one thing that changed a lot is the smell, it's also the smell of the alone and the smell of feces, truth, it's unbelievable, I started talking like that, people, but I don't smell anymore when I I passed gas I thought it was strange but I said it must be I'm used to it, right? Then one day I went traveling with a friend and then he said why don't you fart, talk about intimacy because it was at work we were there and I said no but I let it out gas, yes, right? Then he said

It's not possible, so I said, I don't know, I don't know, she said, it's not possible because it doesn't have a smell and, yeah, I'm dying of shame. That's what I felt the most difference is my skin because before, Paul, what I felt the most difference was my stone Because before I sunbathed I'm white it was red at the time today it's impressive I stay in the sun Sometimes without sunscreen and no happens nothing turns red at most another day it doesn't peel So really, when is this experience I didn't have because I 'm allergic

to the Sun I love the sun but for example I have blisters even when I put on sunscreen it's a little hour and point I can't go on otherwise but that's a question allergic, I understand, and in your opinion, what do you think makes people not want to adhere to this diet? I think it's a very simple thing, people are very afraid of leaving their comfort zone when you follow the norm well. easier it's much easier you don't think you don't have it's just about reproducing what's in place, right? And that's what I call the

mass mechanism, right? The mass is always alienating and being alienated is beautiful because you don't question anything, you simply follow. Exactly, it is, and human beings have a tendency to follow the mass. because we've been like this since primitive times because we needed groups otherwise we wouldn't survive, agree, the different gets in the way, that's right, have you ever thought if, for example, we were there in prehistory there and with mammoths what would it be? us and the mammoths we would gather 100, 200 to try to throw something in there or else we wouldn't have

a chance, so I think we have a primitive tendency to stay in a group and reproduce what the leadership is putting out, but we just don't need it. more of this to survive I understand that we had to be like this but our brain continues with that song than oh it's just like our parents, right no S we are the same and we live Like Our Parents was the name of the song but I I think there is one today something that we no longer need that to survive we have acquired a technology a comfort

that allows us to be individuals this is wonderful because the evolution of at least consciousness is something individual that's why I say everyone has their time convincing no one to anything because everyone has their time now alienation is collective ex interesting will always be collective this is philosophical indeed if you look and today we live in moments of alienating radicalism because today we have the entire world separated into two large blocks and It's as if you talk to a person on the other side you are committing a horrible thing like you said to so-and-so who

is my enemy as an enemy we don't have that, right ? right, I think it was done in such a way that it reinforced I think that social networks are also very responsible for this because in this way a pattern was created to separate people by algorithms that if I like what you eat, I am necessarily the same to you is that separated and that reproduced something primitive Wow, there was the side of me that protects me and the enemy side, so I think that social networks have brought back very primitive behavior, but today we

don't need to be primitive. I feel a little alone in this sense of people who can listen to the opposite side and know how to dialogue. I suffer a lot with this within veganism also because, for example, people really want to combine sometimes political party to veganism and I always bring this up Oh, you're vegan, you can be on this side, this side doesn't have a center side, there isn't all people, they can be everything Exactly, it's for animals, if we're going to debate something, let's debate it here outside of this issue because you can

talk to anyone about this issue, for example, there are people who are vegans who think they have to show these videos of strong animals and sometimes they criticize, oh, but the person is very light and very understanding, man, everyone has their own style and doesn't have one person who can change the whole world each group identifies with a certain person I would say more we will only be truly human when we are concerned with improving our consciousness yes individually I think veganism comes naturally when we seek to improve our conscience Don't you think so because

I don't know I know a lot of vegans who are very bad as a person who is miserable which is so I no longer allow myself to classify people by choices, yes, like, oh, right-wing, this, left-wing, that It's from the Center and I don't know what it is vegan, that's what carnivore is, that's what I understand because I think there are all types, I know carnivorous people who are extremely generous, wonderful, they love animals exactly what you say, right, but they treat animals like that, at least Pets, in a way that you say, wow, but

right? How can it be, but ok, I'm not going to reflect for them, I'm not going to question it because I think everyone is here to evolve, yes, some go faster or not all of a sudden There are more evolved people who eat meat, more evolved than us, me no I won't even dare to say that it's better or worse, I think it's a choice and a choice of your conscience with you, yes, I say that, not that all vegans are more evolved, I think that no one is more evolved than anyone else there, each

one you have to always be looking for better, exactly, I say more in the sense. For example, when we seek this spiritual improvement of consciousness, veganism means how can you kind of take your pleasures out of the first place and put more in there what you think is correct or not, then it's more in that sense, not that be everyone, not that everyone is like that but you reflect, oh, I will , I will, this is delicious but I also think this is right, so you will end up choosing this issue of conscience more than

primitive pleasure, I think, I understand Your point of view is total, but I think that every time we, human beings tend to have two very strong brain circuits, one of which is fear, which maintains our survival, we instinctively run away from danger, and the other is the search for pleasure, which when we were very primitive The only thing we had to do was have sex to reproduce, so in reality it's survival and reproduction . animals for example and we don't need animals need protection exactly inverted but and we don't need it that much eh we

don't just have sex but as a possibility of pleasure and reproduction that's what happens that this instinct if it's not seen it starts to generate several more Pleasures that generate addictions, yes, food, drugs, and drugs in general, I'm talking about everything from cigarettes to the hardest drugs. So we have to be very careful because if we don't understand that we are These animals our brain We are not our brain our brain we are our conscience that knows that this happens that knows how this little machine works we can't intervene but most people don't think about

it Exactly, I think what we can do is try to help people reflect on this I think that we always have to Open up possibilities, yes, that's what I'm talking about and then they start making the choices they think are best because in reality we never do anything for each other, you know, we can't stop using drugs for others and there's one thing the Stoics say. what Stoic philosophers study a lot is that you are only truly free when you are not Doing what you want when you have control over your desires, so if I

have a desire, for example, I have a desire to eat only chocolate, okay, you can go there and eat it, but my freedom is when I have this desire, but I choose not to eat it, then I am being, I am dominating my conscience, my my physical plan and at first it's difficult but then comes a very good feeling which is what I felt too man I like meat so much but I'm not going to eat it it's not my desire but I'm opting for another path which is for you to have the control over

your matter, right, and don't get carried away by the general yes, right because of the mass and that's what happens, for example , that even some vegans end up, I even say this because people sometimes have a bad impression of vegans, vegan, oh, I'm doing this here, so I'm better than the others, so it's the completely wrong way because one that you will drive people away you are better than anyone else you had specific control there but sometimes I like to talk sometimes people eat meat there are many other questions they ask also it doesn't

mean that one is better than the other is they are sane consciousness level options it does you good to be able to make this look for the animals and and look at them as brothers, even so, in some way, and what you said, for example, about the times in the past, maybe we really needed to eat meat and everything, but nowadays it's totally different, not only do we not need meat, but the way that animals are treated So today it is an industrialization of life animals they are products there just like a cell phone if

the cell phone is that You throw it away you exchange it there there is no one from the moment an animal becomes a product it is not considered a life that feels pain cold fear then has various issues, environmental issues as well, which nowadays I think more than 80% of the deforested area in the Amazon is because of cattle or planting soy for cattle to eat, which even people say Oh, but soy too, but it's soy to be turned into feed, there's no such thing as so many vegans eating soy , right ? I'm not

mistaken at first The person who was against it didn't see slavery being abolished but she played a very important role in making it happen so I always think about it like this the changes are slow but I'm doing the best I can do this is more important to me Maybe one day not I know how many years things change centuries exactly also because what I said is an attitude with your Consciousness in relation to meat, for example before Agriculture it was almost impossible not to eat meat, yes there was nothing to eat basically because you

didn't have the system plantation, the family system is only constituted by starting from Agriculture because then that group forms a family that now has to take care of that land, everyone has to come together to plant to harvest, right, slavery itself too, right, yes, of course, so, and I understand that there was a time when we didn't It could, right, it was the animal that was there, it killed it, it ate it, yes, without seasoning, without anything. It's Our Lady, exactly, but we've been there, it's with our ancestors. Of course, and they did everything right,

that's why we're here today, they survived, right, they passed on their gene and they survived. now is before after Agriculture Everything starts to change, yes, right, because you can predict what is planted, the seasons of the year, what If you stick it exactly , then it's a change, you start to have options and for example, what happens a lot too, which is something I try always pass it on to people when you find out what happens, for example I saw you saw uhum we had different moments of change but we decided at the time oh

I'm not going to contribute anymore And then we think what do we say to other people? Look what happens we think they Oh okay, I'll stop also, but in reality we show people it's not in their time at CL because people tend to defend with their most powerful weapons of denial what is imposed on them. that vegans are usually known to be the angriest people there who end up accusing you because you are generating it and it is also something that we have to help people because you it creates frustrations within you Wow, but this

is happening, people don't care, they don't care and then sometimes they start to move away from their family, they no longer go to social gatherings, Christmas, New Year, I think it all comes down to a lack of respect, yes, because So, if you're not eating , for example, I don't eat sugar. Also no refined sugar, I'm going to something, the person says but they won't want dessert, I said no, but you don't, not a little bit, I said no, but I don't miss it, or just I've been drinking coffee without sugar for a while and

people It's not possible, I said, no, it's not possible, you don't like coffee, you like sugar, drink pure coffee. If you like coffee, you'll continue drinking Puro ISO, right? You like the sugar that's in sweet coffee, so just like meat thing eats meat without seasoning exactly but that's when people start to respect it because in the beginning it was like that but without sugar F you have no reasoning I said no but the reasoning is here for now no I'm not you won't have it energy so I don't know, I don't have reasonable energy, you

know, so it's something that people will ask after a while you get used to it yes now there are those annoying people who stay But you're still with this you're with this trend exactly but lack of respect is what ends up being linked to other issues I see people see veganism no Not exactly how to help animals sometimes you think it's a person who eats vegetables it associates it with a weak person or whatever it's very common like Ah it's vegan It's left-wing it has nothing to do with anything else ISS says that the we

can't continue and also feeding and this desin ex good people anywhere there are bad people anywhere exactly I always say right There are people who talk like this ah doctor every doctor is good there is no doctor who is no good there is money that is no good there is a priest who is no good there is nun who sucks but that's because it's a human condition no what you do doesn't say who you are deep But it's true for example when I ask someone who are you then the person says I'm an engineer I

said no who are you I'm not asking what you do Uhum So we have to start demystifying an option of something and I think this is also a question that people ask a lot, right , it's vegan, that's it, I don't know what it is, I don't see it like that, there are lots of different individuals, there are good people in every place Exactly It's because, for example, sometimes we think Oh, so she's a vegan , she's a good person, sometimes I don't know, a person who donates food is a good person, not necessarily they're

doing this good thing, but it doesn't mean they're going to be a person, you can trust that they won't will stab you There are several situations what I'm talking about is that human beings are more complex, much more complex than we imagine, we can't keep reducing people to an adjective Ah, so you don't do that, you're a good person, you do that, you're Malu you can do that ISS and you see one, do you think that one day this will change in terms of how people see each other because it seems that with the internet,

it's gotten a lot worse, so there's no dialogue there, but it's gotten worse, that's why the creators, mainly of the social networks were genius for good, if it's for bad, it doesn't matter, they were geniuses, they realized that we can separate people into groups, a bubble, create bubbles, and these bubbles can tell us what they consume, Um, and then only the contents of your bubble appear to you. you think the world is that while the world is that So if the world is that if my territory for example here in Rio is Ipanema whoever is

from Barra is no good because they are not from my territory for a long time there was this here like you that it was the south zone, I thought there people from Barra Who was from Barra say people from the south zone some things like what I said Guys, what is this , right what point are we reaching ? It's so cool, yes, right? It's so different from the person and, for example, on social media I receive a lot of horrible comments, so people see that you're a vegan and they want to kill you, what

do they do? If they can talk to get rid of you, they say yes, but in person, that doesn't happen. But have you noticed that there are also those haters who are robots, right? It's just that you can't know exactly, there's a publication, there isn't a publication, but if you understand that there are groups that have separated Let's assume the world separated the world into vegans and non-vegans uhum Nothing stops me if I'm a radical person from wanting to participate in this war in useless Glory and start catching little robots and then destroy you PR

and see if you get out of my camp I understand commercially, that's right, it's a right of people who think that this harms their industries Ok, but right, I also have a duty to understand Look, the duty I have when I know that that is their strategy, yes, if they think that that for him is eh you are an obstacle for them Do everything well now I just can't let myself move so stop doing what I have to do I can't and change my path my walk because these people think that I I can get

in the way, yes, but it's difficult because today I I'm already a bit seasoned but I've had a lot of posts that were like this, 1000, 2000 comments just criticizing, so you have to think, Wow, am I doing a good job ? negative always hurts more And then you feel very simple, it's not because you don't know something about brain functioning that is not us, our brain was sculpted and designed to record very vehemently What is negative because what is negative Do you remember that I talked about the Survival circuit, yes, what is negative, you

have to record it quickly because it may not have a second chance in the face of the negative, I understand and losing your life, agree, yes, for example, I came across danger there exactly with danger I will have 100 wonderful situations but in danger that will stay in my head yes ex so our memory is designed to take the bad things and hold on it's like that's how the good things are that not even tefal hits slides you know what tefal and the bad things It's like velcro doesn't stick, it doesn't stick if I know

that. What I do is it's an awareness thing that bad thing came, I said it like this , either I block it or I remove it or I restrict it and that's until one day I'll see all that and I'm going to say it doesn't represent me I'm getting to that moment but it will come, understand why you said it yourself there are so many positive comments so many likes But then there are three four that don't even have a follower that doesn't have a post so you reduce your focus vision for That yes looks

like no It makes no sense, no one understands how many people, how many teenagers take their lives because of this because they don't understand that there are four people there who say what you say, say what you say, they will criticize, that's it, I have several that I already know, it's me sometimes and say this, today I don't use it Practically on social media, which is also great Uh, I don't stay there posting No, I'm not the one who sees it, there's someone who does this, Eh, but when I see it, I say, people, where's

the pet, right? Because there's one. pet Where does so-and-so know because if it's one thing he's another then you go there he doesn't have a post That's right it's just the fakes he's the engineer of the finished work He only criticizes do ISO do it I tell people when people have people that will have a say in your life all the time, that's right, you'll live your life, yours in the window, put your version of life Very good because I, Ana, I've been at this for a little over 3 years, it hasn't been that long,

is it over? growing up very fast, I'm one baby, you understand, so I'm still in this process Because until then I was a person who was very addicted to online games and had no friends at school. I was bullied, I was a person who had these problems as a teenager, exactly and out of nowhere, I have 1000 comments in all 2000 posts so I'm still in this phase now you're saying something wonderful you went from that to this what exactly brought you to your choice And why four five or 10 comments bring you down is

because you haven't grown saying that others want to hear yes or that their R's are expecting from you exactly no and I go even further, sometimes I say that the my audience doesn't want to hear it because we don't have to say what the audience wants to hear, rather what we need to say, so sometimes the vegan public wants to hear certain things that, oh, if I say it, for example, guys, this hypocritical person who wants her You're doing it See, there 's a person who loves it and loves to talk bad about others, but

you say, for example, one person stopped being vegan, that's already happened guys, let's not criticize Let's say thank you Let's hope she comes back, that's it and Normally when I do this I I receive criticism from myself public but I understand man I need to do this because otherwise things won't change if the vegan doesn't change, sometimes a demanding stance will take a lot longer than but I can tell you a lot of people who don't like it but who come by for you seeing a lot of people who don't leave comments, right now they're

changing, they're trying to change their ways, it's because we're also very used to seeing people who like and comment, yes, but there's a lot of people who don't like, don't comment, but always follow us, but accompanies and that perhaps this is what is in this slow process And true, yes, you understand, I have people that I meet on the street come and talk to me, she said, I don't follow you because if I follow you, my husband will find out Wow, I found out that he is a narcissist, tell him but it doesn't matter at

all but okay doing good for you, you can't imagine how I'm here to thank you, this happens a lot and you talk like this, people have a silent mass that is also enjoying it and is rooting for you, yes, don't forget that, I understand, I noticed this a while ago, for example, I I meet people in various places and at Sometimes I meet people and they tell you something about how you changed their life and everything and then they tag you in a photo and I'll look at it like this Wow. She never even spoke

to me, never even liked anything, so that's exactly why she's there because There's a silent mass that doesn't want to take a stand because it doesn't want to be good if I 'm like this I have to be like this If I'm like this I have to be like this but there is, yes, there is a mass, never doubt the silent mass, that's right. We have many more silent people than noisy, yes, the problem is that the noisy ones make more noise, I'm a silent person, you know, I rarely like and comment on someone, but

for example, I follow a lot of people, I watch, for example, Lu celeno, I watch almost every day, I've never commented on any of her posts, but she He's a person who helps me a lot, you too, I watch it all the time, I don't think I've ever even liked a post there, look at what I'm telling you, so I'm putting you here, I think I have more life experience Obviously, but everyone is also kind of new to this digital world, but we bring life experience to the digital world , we definitely bring knowledge of

brain functioning to the digital world. people than we are seeing exactly we are inspiring many more people than we imagine and that is why it is always important for us to talk like this no I will not give up there are people who are inspiring me today and I don't even know who is this person and I never thought about giving up I think the Maybe when that's going to happen, that's when it's going to be, maybe when Paula is no longer here, I don't know what it's going to be like. It can't be difficult

. being on social media, I don't know, I think there are things like that, there are people who are an added factor in us. Paola is an added factor in your life and in your process of becoming aware, and if it's not her, it will be someone else. I understand why Chico Xavier would say another one will come Paloma Paola, right Paola, sorry, sorry, everything is the same thing, right, the origin of the name is the same, right, but like Paola, she awakened this in you and every time we do it, it's sensational, every time

we take a step towards the issue. of consciousness we can no longer go back, yes exactly Wow, and I keep thinking that until sometimes some people pass by, I was a person at that moment, Oh Ana, I didn't see much meaning in life because for me the life that was introduced went to work have a family and and when you have a vacation you travel I looked at it and said man what a boring life for me I didn't see any point like that that's exactly what I'm going to live for And then I don't

know if it's a thing of the universe or if it was by chance later When she appeared there I said man today I have a purpose to follow I have a lot to do I have a mission in this world and I need to follow that today I feel like I really have a mission to fulfill and man it brings me such fulfillment very big and it's something that happened absolutely out of nowhere, so sometimes a lot of people they're lonely on the beach, exactly, it wasn't, it wasn't with some people that I wasn't even

friends with Ah, let's go to the beach, let's go, will I go ? Where would I be if it weren't for that, but you understand in some way, Paola was the trigger for this change that you were already crying out for, could it be that living is just that and nothing else is working, working, waiting for the weekend ? then work work wait for the holidays you were gone you asked for this trigger yes, wow, I would ask a lot if I closed it, my friend, Paula, it was the postman, really, you asked for a

letter, he gave you the letter we asked for, you have power, right, always, the big problem is that we don't know what it is, yes, 99% of being human has a serious problem with achieving objectives Because they even know what they don't want, but what they don't want, for example, if we're going to go back to the postman, if you don't have the correct address, it won't be enough if you fail to enter the zip code, it won't arrive if you get the number wrong It will arrive if you miss the street it won't arrive

you have to know exactly what you want The vast majority don't know so somehow you there knew that the way you were was not cool yes and you were very into it Of course yes you could don't get Paula Yeah And you would continue in this cause I always say that whatever people call I call God God manifests himself through the creatures of his creatures and animals are also divine creatures, right? Vegetables are also divine creatures, eh, so There's no point in us staying and seeing people oh, the day God appears to me, forget it,

it appears all the time, you know, it manifests itself in others, be it another plant animal or human being, for sure, so God is talking to you all the time, now the people are deaf, right? any bearded savior understood or say it's not like that he speaks time through his creatures it's me, until after that I also had a religion which was Catholic And then I also started to question several questions about this and a lot of the things you say, I'm very happy because that's exactly what I think so because I see that words

really have power, what we think, we ask for it, it happens and not necessarily because God is physically doing it there, but everything we want generates a result in this world, right? So even this question of what so much that I wanted and the amount of negative things that happened so I couldn't continue being vegan so much that I wanted that's what kept me going So I think signs were given but you couldn't not take them and Ok that's ok sin Maybe it would be later, but you had common sense at that moment, right? the

issue of your mother's father at that moment no one is saying anything against them but at that moment not wanting to could be an obstacle exactly you understood and at the time they even when I said I was going to stop eating meat my mother was calmer my father thought he was a little bit strange, it didn't prove anything I did, but in the beginning I was that vegetarian, vegan, but I kept pointing out. The others I've had this phase, you know, but it's not worth any kind of radicalism in our experience . that occurred

were not in the war They were in the change of consciousness, exactly, right? Why War? No. For you, there is a war that is 3 years old and will last Because people can't give in to this, others can't give in to that. But I'm supporting them. They don't want peace. Do you see that this change in human consciousness is what can be In a long time, it will be collective or it will be a few people, just the human being will always be like this, it is always individual, due to the characteristics of brain functioning,

our brain functioning is collective for survival, I understand, we will have to understand that we are more than these group animals are important for us to have group relationships, but we don't have them here, and we agree with the group being subservient to the group because what happens is that today you see groups and teenagers. You go through this a lot, right, if you have one group he belongs to, everyone paints his hair is blue, he dyes his hair blue, then if he changes it to yellow, everyone is yellow, that is not autonomy or freedom

at all, and for example, something that I reflect on a lot like this at the time of slavery, for example, I wonder how people thought at that time for this to have happened and sometimes at that time human thinking was different from what it is today so sometimes people who are today count there would be a favor for example if I think this happens in several changes in society the issue of animals today mass eats animals so many people are in favor but sometimes at another time At another time, they would be against it because

collective thinking has changed, so that's why I asked if you know that the mass changes, not the change is always individual, and it may be that one day this knowledge will understand this awareness if make it collective because individually people are doing this And then collective thinking ends up becoming a mass, let's say exactly that but it is born from individuality, I understand Cool So our people think that sometimes what we do doesn't make a difference but there has to be a beginning for a change to happen, it makes a difference, someone for example if

there is a river Someone has to cross the river and say hey guys can I see that the river is calm no one wants to be the first, right, certainly, but if we take this we need people who take these actions and suffer the consequences Now, for example, we are today. If you see , if it was 10 or 20 years ago, there was no one politically defending animal rights . aa the evolution it is small No they are not jumps yes they are everyday cool little steps today you see a lot of people who

protect animals that were unimaginable Yes 10 years ago there is no need anymore 10 years ago ex there are people who do it from the heart There are people who do it to show up, but ok, they do it whether they show up or not and they treat the animals well, it's great, there's no problem, it's great, we also can't have this purism, you know, oh no, but you said why would you show up? well alone not only don't be a hypocrite of treating people badly and pretending that you're treating them well is also too

much, right? It's the hypocrisy that is, it's boring for you to say one thing and do another, yes, and for example, even the issue of animal testing in the past, no one even talked about it today. nowadays you already see that it is a basis for any aesthetic product not to be tested on animals they already use it as marketing there it leaves big things So look at how things are changing I say it again folks, we are just used to change. What happens here now is not like that Yes, it's not like that today,

cosmetic products have a seal, right? You value a product because it's free from animal cruelty, right, not without Animal Cruelty? It's written there, right? Understand, now there are people who won't see, ok, it's not that person's time, we can't hurt for each other, right? Because many people get discouraged. That's why I think many people will even be motivated by hearing this, maybe, but like this. That's the important thing. we don't stop listening to these divine touches that occur by divine creatures, exactly that we don't wait for God to appear God is not matter It will

never be and but his creations are material So let's manifest ourselves and what It hurts me a lot when people say that they eat animals because God made animals for us to eat I think like that man I don't know your opinion on this but a God so kind that he made creatures that are afraid of cold pain just like people like dogs Why would a God so good make animals that feel everything we feel to go through what they go through today so asking I keep asking who called To God, what was the wi-fi

and was there this exclusive recording with him? I don't know exactly, I'm not even questioning it, that's the thought, but to say that God said God did it, I don't know . God is something so extraordinary but so extraordinary that I don't I don't even know how he thinks, it would be audacious of me to think that I know what he thinks, I don't know if our mind is limited to understand the mind of the whole, right of God? I also think that he is something incomprehensible, untouchable and everything is fine. You understand that there

are people who says no, but God said it, I don't know the statement that God said it is exactly, but thinking about it logically, I think that a God wouldn't do it, at least I don't know, he would make some animals that don't feel anything like that, even ah, ok. but why does he I wouldn't do that, I wouldn't even come out with a very good documentary called Chris Piercy, which is a documentary that they ask like this to all religions How would Jesus kill an animal and then people start to get into several contradictions

Why is Jesus a person who was so such a good example would he be Ok with this being that today we have so many options not to contribute to the creatures that God created So this is something that is you are talking about something about options for example animals, right carnivore carnivorous animals don't bother me you mean me It's uncomfortable but I understand why they weren't given a choice, we have a choice, I agree 100% technologically, right? So if we can have a choice, we are more sophisticated animals, human beings, but at the same time,

because we are more sophisticated, we have more responsibility, yes, No, exactly. they feel this way precisely because you are living there in the forest he felt afraid to run he fight for their lives so exactly he doesn't season the meat to eat he eats it out of necessity for survival, no, that's fine, I'm commenting like this because I like to know your opinion also people sometimes they use the lion as a moral basis for our society so oh the lion eats meat so I can eat but the lion also does horrible things he invades a

territory and kills the male kills the male's cubs we will not follow the example of the lion , I think they are programmed in a different way than us, more instinctive, but and I always say when someone is trying to justify a lot, it's because they don't, they don't want to do that and that's okay, yes, everyone has their moment there. everyone has their moment and their choices, you can do this what I I said I know people who eat meat who are people that I think are cool that I admire a lot, I also

don't lose admiration in that sense, but also that thing, let's respect each other, there's no problem, yes, that's something I learned, we have each other. I saw a person and sometimes we think that a famous person She is perfect but no one is perfect everyone has their mistakes their flaws so I admire people in a sense, I admire this guy because he is very good at that, here I don't I really like work, right? the fruit of the work this is but this here I don't like very much okay this here is great but I

like this here because if we see a person as a perfect person we will be disappointed in everyone because no one is perfect all the time all the time, including with us, exactly, yes, with us, how many times do you catch yourself having some thoughts ? people deify others a lot too, right? an artist a singer but it's not all human beings, I think the opposite Today I was talking here with Malu and Bru before you arrived and we were talking this weekend, I was thinking about these very famous people, right? Speaking of world famous

or nationally famous, they must have emotional voids, yes, because there comes a time when it's no longer about money, right? speaking, a person can quote anyone, it's not money anymore but But it's a need to be accepted or to be adored or to be which in reality is not adoration It's not love, it's nothing like that, it's the need for the work that is produced, yes, not the person, so yes, I think life is very difficult for these people, I think everyone has this need to grow and grow and grow, I think there are many

happy F, right? Never will it be enough and the money comes at a time, for example, when you earn 1 million per month after that even less but up to a certain limit that you are comfortable beauty it is OK it makes you happy like this but after a while it gives you comfort exactly joy comfort but after that you make billions it doesn't change anything it doesn't fulfill anything it doesn't even change it changes because you start on the contrary it increases depression anxiety because there comes a point that you can do everything, imagine

being able to do everything is horrible So you imagine, you can do anything, then what am I going to do today, you start to invent, then you start to invent, and you started to invent in a little while, you want, like, oh, I'm going to have sex and Mars, well, you stopped taking pleasure in your cute sex with whoever what you love and who you live with is very dangerous, this thing of being able to do everything, God save me from being able to do everything, I don't want that either. I'm not happy with my

life in the countryside there, planting my things, God defend me from this state of being able to do everything, I don't want it either. No, because it's very difficult, because you lose your hand, you think you're a superior being who can do anything, and we're seeing this, which is another thing we're seeing today in the world, in this same polarized globalized world, people falling apart. that were unattainable yes did that producer is not did Bru pedid, right that guy who launched all the Rap people, I don't know that in the United States, a billionaire, yes,

he's in jail, that's exactly what was imaginable 10 years ago, so I think we're unfair to We're in a slow process of evolution, but it's a process of evolution, it's just that once again we just stop to see the bad, that's it, but I'm learning and it would be unimaginable that a guy with that power, right, he's in jail and he's in jail. unbelievable he did everything he did He repeated everything, all the abuse, all because there was the law of silence, everyone wanted him to be the manager, to launch into music with him, what

people did, oh, I'm silent, I can't see, but at some point things appear exactly, so I think we I would like to be much further along in terms of humanity's awareness, but I can't help but see the things that are happening, aren't they, and things are happening, right? Just like we mentioned some of them, for example, before, there was no vegetable meat today. I think there's already a big The change will be laboratory meat, which has another name that is more attractive, which is cultured meat, they make the meat without the animal because people will

have one more option, I can eat the same thing but without using animals because even the environmental issue the planet will not support so many people for so much meat production So these alternatives yes but what I am is inexorable that things are going to change, there are people who say this, oh I don't accept it so sit down and cry, people say it 's already me I no longer act on humanity I believe man, life only ends for those who die, that's it, everything continues, that's something we also have to keep in mind that

the day after you died, my love, the whole world continues, that's right, we're a business. in the universe, no, so we have to lose some of that and whatever process we were created for is ongoing Wow, perfect, we don't have that power I feel like I don't exactly live for myself, I live for a change in the world so I'm fine like this, you know, because if you think Ah, I live just for me so I can have pleasure building things you think man how many people have lived in this world in 100 years there

will be someone living in my house irreplaceable people exactly and like this will end So what we leave behind is the changes that we left it in the world, I think that way a lot and it's good for us to know where we want to go because everything I What I do in my day is thinking this way, so what I eat is thinking this, I went to the gym to maybe show that I look good so that people can be inspired, thinking about it, the relationships I create, what I study, so that's one thing.

I really wanted people to have the purpose of meeting each other because it really depends on each person, but I feel like every human being has to have a purpose and was created with a sense, yes, the question is now how she will find out and I I don't believe in happiness without purpose without meaning and purpose I also think that It's not like that, sometimes people may even think they're happy, but it's momentary, you're happy, I don't know, when a trip or a party ends, joy, right, joy is conditioned by a factor, happiness, not

happiness, it's something you're happy about. in harmony with you with your conscience die well, that's it, that's fine, no problem, no truth, wow, that's very B this Philosophy is very good study every day man Philosophy is very much and helps philosophy helps in everything in our lives not only in this issue of veganism but in several areas of my life how to act, right how to behave the the issue of the non-alienating but altruistic collectivity if If you go and see, it's all there and long before Christ, right, yes, exactly, and it's available, right ?

in an accessible way on social media, truth, you're right, Lúcia Helena, you really have millions of views . Exactly, Lúcia Helena is proof of this, carnal . Philosophy, right, and accessible is no longer that thing about knowledge being locked away, now there are people who prefer not to see anything else OK, but look at these bubbles, why are these philosophers appearing, yes, that's what I say, the internet has brought a whole bad side but there is also a very good side without the internet I probably wouldn't be vegan because I would never see it on

TV I wouldn't study philosophy I wouldn't be a new person without the internet Exactly our path towards something better is inexorable, yes either we will make it easier or we will make it more difficult but and don't think about it's important to inspire others But and we inspire when we're aware of what we're doing and we do it because it's true, that's exactly where inspiration is natural. Understand, I'm sure I don't know if I'm saying too much, no, no, we're here Yes, we now go to the reporter pipinho Ah now it's the questions Ah cool

Let's see what the pipinho reporter is the pipinho reporter is a community we have a community called cool sustainable human being and this community today has 2500 people they are people who like knowledge So we play there the maximum amount of knowledge that we can, all my online courses and and eh, updated articles, we throw everything there, so they are people who like being human, they like behavior, that's why I called being a sustainable human being, we don't want the we don't want humanity to be extinct And then 15 days before any guest comes, we

send you your Instagram and say Look, we're going to call so-and-so who would you like to send a question and they send it and we're the voice of this community, let's go Let's go Come on, Matthew, have you noticed any positive impact on your health since adopting veganism, yes, but before I was a person who basically ate rice, beans and meat, I didn't eat vegetables, so just Alf and tomatoes, that's what's in the basics, that's exactly it. so when I decided to change I said I'm going to have to like these things to get to

what I want to get to so health That's how it changed completely So today I rarely end up getting sick I have a lot more energy I managed to grow a lot in the gym too because all of this was my motivation my skin has improved. The only thing I supplement, even though I've already seen you talking about it, is vitamin B12 Uh, that's it. it is not of animal origin it is of bacterial origin which is synthesized by bacteria that today we no longer have we no longer drink lake water we no longer eat

dirty fruit so we do not have access to the animals eat grass or are supplemented so they They have this problem because of that, so it's my only supplementation, I've never needed to supplement iron, vitamin D, nothing, so health. It's improved a lot, and when you take care of yourself, you start to be more selective when it comes to sleeping and waking up, it's exactly a set to get to my objective is a set a normal person Uhum my dish there is rice or potatoes which are not proteins then what I use is starch then

what I use are legumes So what I use most are lentils, soybeans and chickpeas, others which are sources of protein for example, pea beans which can also be used, but beans are a bit of a burden on digestion, so I don't use much, and what I use a lot are also soy derivatives, which include soybeans, grains, which are balls, then there is soybean meat, which we eat, commented which today is much better and there is tofu there is also P which is a fermented soybean so I use legumes as the main source of protein but

for example seeds have protein so sunflower seeds have pumpkin seeds peanuts which are a legume but are more fat then oatmeal, for example, is not a source of protein but it has a little protein in it. So if you add everything together on the plate, you can reach an ideal amount and there is also a vegan that you call it, it really doesn't stop you, right? No protein, today it's very calm like this, more Centralized sometimes, right, yes, but then what I say You have to put together a plate properly, if you eat anything then

you won't lose your health, which I think is a problem today when eating on the street, for example, Sometimes the plate even offers a vegan option but it's banana muqueca land, then you're going to eat rice, banana muqueca, then you're going to get one, you're hungry and there's no protein, you just got sugar there, right? So, for example, I ate one recently that was banana moqueca, but it had soy meat, that one. little ball that is bigger there ready made a gazinha almonde that's a perfect dish so you're saying that it's true usually it's just

the rice that or like stroganoff of palm heart then you eat there rice trogon heart of palm potato straw doesn't have a protein so a lot of people make mistakes not in that choose the appropriate sources, true, you could even make chickpea pasta, right? Exactly, you make chickpea stroganoff, OK, that's cool, exactly, you have a lot of protein, that's exactly a lot of vegetable protein and also today you have nutritionists Ah, very well focused on that, I I always recommend that people look for a vegetarian or vegan nutritionist because they have the experience because, for

example, if someone tells you to mix protein with beans, it will turn into a gas bomb because they don't know what causes this, but a person who lives this already knows. the that weighs more, it's exactly not just in theory So it makes a lot of difference, there's a place to talk, that's exactly it, next Bru, how to maintain a healthy and accessible vegan diet in Brazil show, this is the basis of my Instagram, basically, which is what I really like I missed it, you see vegan recipes like this, it's cashews or whatever, man, I

said man, I want to teach people how to eat cheaply, if we choose to eat whole foods, it's much cheaper than meat because if we think a dish, for example, rice, beans, lentils and I know there cabbage and zucchini is not an expensive dish Sometimes if you count each ingredient it comes out to R 3 R 4 a dish So what makes it more expensive today in Brazil unfortunately is still the industrialized ones because the demand is lower there is no government subsidy For now, it is increasing a lot what will arrive is by greatly

increasing the options and the demand as well, this is comparing the demand for meat with vegans it is much lower So there is much more subsidy Uhum but if a person wants to have a full vegan diet it will be much more cheaper than a meat diet for sure, so I always recommend, for example, looking for places in bulk, which are sometimes cheaper , they are older. I don't know R 300 R 400 per month my fiancée and I eat for the whole month Exactly it's very cheap Because you think 1 kg of soy meat

is R 12 13 We pay 1 kg it yields three when you hydrate it so it's a lot food for a low price because it comes dry, you buy the meat hydrated, it dehydrates the grains, you buy 1 kg of beans, it will yield, the opposite, buy dehydrated, it hydrates, it will hydrate and it will yield much more, isn't that interesting, isn't it? That's what I noticed, your recipes are very accessible, accessible and easy and cheap for those who want to eat it on a daily basis. And there are so many things you can, I

put turmeric in everything, I also love it, I plant it there, it's very good, huh, ours Did you see our little tea here, I felt cinnamon and ginger, it really gets wet, it works and it's super sweet, right? Wow, I thought it was nothing, it's true what I'm saying, we're discovering things, right? It released sweetness exactly Wow, there wasn't one out, nothing, zero, you give it cinnamon, damn, I didn't know that cinnamon was so sweet, it was sweet, it wasn't there, everyone thinks we put it in, there isn't, there isn't, it has to stay, you

boil it and decant it for a day. to the other one of Wow, how cool is it sweet, right? You see, it's cool, no, I don't use sugar, ah, it's true, it's true next Bru, how do you deal with criticism of veganism and which myths would you like to demystify? Cool, when I eat, I always deal with criticism. I think that this person is not really wanting to say that sometimes it is more of a reaction to seeing a person different from what they believe so when I understand this it is a defense of what

is not being attacked defense of that exactly so just thinking like that a lot has happened before the person comes insult me ​​I respond politely and she says sorry she's sorry I don't even know why I said that it's impressive so I deal with it a lot I don't take it personally I don't think ah fando is saying that because he wants the animals to suffer No he's just inserted in a context, he's seeing it from another point of view exactly And if I want there to be more dialogue I have to practice this too

so you have to open the bridge, right? And if the person wants to fight, I'll end the conversation, that's how it is. so criticism gets you out of line shooting, the person wants to shoot you but if you leave the line of fire that's what lucilina says if someone comes with a gift for you and you don't accept the gift, it goes back to them it's the same as criticism if someone comes to criticize you and you don't accept it, the person will have that bitterness inside them so I try to practice this a lot

and myths that I would like to demystify well that it is expensive is a myth and it is not expensive po po ISS can be expensive or cheap it depends on your lifestyle and of the choices you make exactly which is not healthy is also something that will depend on how you eat, you eat, ig we talked about rice, potatoes and ketchup, you will have problems eating and diabetes, eating a dish is exactly eating a balanced dish, it will be Healthy you can also build muscle there are several vegan athletes today ah we have there

that give what the wait there ah Guilherme abomai I was there with him in the he was champion recently now that's what I was there He won the no mister Olímpia, which is the biggest championship like that and got the professional card, competed with everyone who eats meat and smashed it man Congratulations, Gui, incredible, right, incredible, you see, it's the myth, it's a myth exactly that you don't build muscles And that's what I 'm saying, people so you have to take the attitude of talking guys Oh, I did it and it worked, how many people

can come, the guino will inspire a lot of ISS, even if there are people who thought that exactly they're crazy, they'll never make it Ok, if someone goes there and does it, then if The Rebels have this function exactly The crazy ones, right? The crazy ones are the ones who cause change, right? That's right That's it, let's go back there bruh, well, a myth that I would really like to demystify is that veganism is not a self no I consider it a lifestyle because when we say lifestyle it seems like you have to adapt your

lifestyle to become vegan you have to change everything, no, veganism is for anyone who either wants to help animals or reduce their impact on the environment Taking care of your health can be anyone, regardless of their political side, whether they are a surfer, whether they are a singer, whether they are a presenter, anyone who wants to adapt this into their life, they can, they don't need to change, they don't need to become an activist, no, you want to incorporate this, you can, you can be a silent mass is doing this n ex what is normally

the most It's important that this is what the example shows in practice, isn't it? You're in your own You're in your conscience. It's in your heart . veganism in a welcoming way role of education in the school sense or I don't know I thought that education at home so I don't know education What is the role of education or maybe I think it is respect, right What is the role of education to promote in a welcoming way It’s good for us to respect each other, right, so we don’t turn around, I think. So, for example,

I consider myself an educated person, I respect others, so ah, maybe that's it. That's one of the aspects of respect. correct Uhum So I'm absolutely sure that that's the best way, that's exactly So I think that education in terms of promoting veganism is very important for us to be able to have dialogue with other people because without education there's no dialogue, you know, and there's no respect and then it becomes war and then it becomes what it is today for example, one side believes a lot in one side, the other in the other and no

one talks to each other, so it will always be like this, one fighting with the other, I think I wanted to talk about respect, so for example, I go to barbecues, I go to parties, family I offer people conversation I 'm like this and I think this causes a lot of publicity for veganism because people get a good impression, right? Then you want to know if you're going to be invited to the barbecue, right? Let's see how your family and friends reacted when you decided to become vegan So my family thought it was a bit

strange but what happens to the family, which is what many people go through, the family always wants the best for you, at least it should, right? If it's a real family, that's exactly what happens in the parents' minds, so they think, oh, you need to eat meat to be healthy, so when a child sometimes says I'm not going to eat meat anymore, the parents are responsible because my God, my child is going to get sick, he's going to get sick. ex problems so understanding this is very important for anyone start So as not to take

out Anger on the parents because the parents don't want your bad which is always your good so the family like that was my concern but I said no as I always cooked I said oh I'm going to do my things okay then and they went to see you changing n exactly you started doing physical activity that you didn't do, that is, it's a fact in the face of facts there isn't exactly there's no way to dispute me because I'm fine, right after S years I'm fine there's nothing more to say ex there's no argument, right,

and friends like that. It was a lot little joke At the time, I think I was, I don't know if I was 19 or 21 years old , so at that time I was kind of going out and such and at barbecues, so it was just a little joke like that and that was it, everyone told me one or the other, they supported me and but no one proved it. my food was a different time too so in general everything conspired against my decision But as I was convinced I said man I'm going to pass

this it became the test more exactly if finger right more Exactly and it was and it's something that even It changed in my life too that people end up learning, you learn to support your decision, that was a watershed change in my life, so if I think one thing, I think it's right, respecting everyone, man, that's what I'm going to do and it's over, you know, so Veganism helped me a lot with this too because I learned to be responsible for my choices, right? and not that others have to approve exactly exactly I don't care

but people approve or not approve of themselves OK but that won't change it's so so Liber Wow it's awesome it's very liberating freedom that's for sure next Bru in social events like parties or barbecues, how do you deal with situations where the menu doesn't cover Veganism? It's cool, he organizes an event with the menu, so for example, I go to the barbecue, I prepare my meat there, I'm going to roast my vegetables, vegetable meat, vegetables, right? farofa mayonnaise I'm going to a children's party , for example, it was one of my nephew's recent ones that

I made, there will be snacks and things like that. I took my fried snacks in the container to eat with the people I knew there wouldn't be anything there if there were just fries So go with it with the event, I'm going to see it, it's going to be a wedding, so sometimes it's more complicated because it's fancy, so maybe I'll eat beforehand and then I'll just have something to drink. Uh, so I'll adapt like this so that people don't find it strange if if it is a fancy wedding I bring a lunch box there

people will look really weird and you better eat first, right and it will look chic not eating anything exactly now if I'm at a children's party at a buffet it's not so much of a problem if I take out a little container there and put my snacks and eat together Uhum So it's a lot depending on the situation but hey, that's it, that's it, and there's a very interesting vegan restaurant here in Barra, there's bartana in vi Park nearby, very good, there's coxinha, there's kibinho It's all cool barna bartana I don't get anything to say

that I'm not saying it because I'm going there I'm going there eee how are there things very interesting cool there 's a day when it's vegan pizza delivered to your home really cool wow that's cool really cool I think there is Copacabana, I'm also going to do some research, but a lot of people have difficulty. This is the part that makes people the most, no, I'm also saying that, to prove that people, oh, this is this vegan restaurant, I said, there were people, Oh, no, people, I'm going to try what it costs, right? but did

you know that the What makes people give up on being vegan is not the social issue. Do you believe that she can't even support herself at the moment, but because she doesn't feel like she's part of a group or these social difficulties, I 'm going to leave, I can't help her, people give up, look. just this primitive thing where we have to be approved or belong to a group, exactly yes, if I'm not mistaken, it's 70%, it's a lot like that, the person doesn't feel like they belong and then, for example, it's difficult sometimes to

find a friend who thinks the same to you I suffered many years like this because I I went alone for about 4 years, today my fiancée is vegan, I have a lot of vegan friends, it's easier but there are things that only the person who goes through what you go through understands my parents. I said, Man, I can't ask these people for advice because they'll encourage me to give up, but if there's a conviction, but today with the internet you can make friends, then look, you'll see what follows, it's following Christ, right? Being a Christian

is something that also demands a choice of things that not that in quotation marks for society it's bad and a lot of people follow it exactly so everything that has a little bit of internal conviction ends up working in some way, exactly, right ? But that's it Get ready beforehand and then you'll do well in the events and Don't don't get mad at anyone because no, for the love of God, don't ever point out others there, and then you'll never start persecution, right? And for example, when you treat people well, they'll naturally have a barbecue

Oh me I'm going to prepare some vegetables here for you, it's green, it's true, it's true true, so you have to be nice to people for them to be nice to you, there's one, there's an eggplant here, a zucchini, right, a barbecue, you go there and toast with the world I have. I have a wonderful friend who makes the barbecue, yellow peppers, peppers red Zucchini is very good now if you were rude to him I doubt he would do it, right, he does it with greater affection, that's right, not because and we are totally different,

but I'm sure it will be good, even close Bru, the feeding of your animals too Follow one Controversial vegan diet huh, so yes, today I can find vegan dog food uhum there are two or three brands on the market, Paula, even she has been vegan for about 4 years and only eats vegan food Uhum She accepted it perfectly, she accepted it, we have four The four dogs accepted it very calmly, the pig naturally eats anything, right? Exactly, it's easier, it's easier for the brother, a little, exactly, but yes, our animals are vegans. forcing and I

don't know what it was accepted well now if I hadn't accepted it if I wasn't losing weight if I was having disabsorption something something really physically of course it won't be radical you see Paula is pretty there right so there shocked as she is looking at the bookshelf since it arrived she's been thinking it's a toy I don't think so but she's not jumping to get the toy she's behaved she's been waiting I'm thinking this girl was a writer in the other Incarnation because it's not possible aa reincarnation I don't know why you see that

since she arrived Gustavo went ahead she was uncomfortable because it took the focus away from the books, no, no, Bibi Look, folks, it's a cute thing next Bru Is there a documentary or series about veganism that has you marked and that you would recommend to anyone who wants to learn more about this cool topic, the documentaries are very important because they summarize what we want to talk about in a short time, let's say what really changed me was the one called terros but I don't recommend it to anyone watch first because he shows it crudely

in the industry So you see the worst possible things there now, which I highly recommend, it's on Netflix, so for example, sometimes you can even leave it somewhere because the names are a bit difficult, so there's C Pierce, who is the oc cow english pierc c pierc has sia pierc which is oc Pierce talks about the environment Earth sia Pierce environment sea has the image Bru check it out Netflix C CS Pierce sia Pierce these two are really cool as they show this environmental issue like the impacts so well, it's just one more taking all

of this for us, right, it's not something like that, I don't eat, but we're on the same planet and we want this, this one is really cool C pierc Uhum, it's very good because it shows what our consumption impacts on the planet Okay, so uhm, knowing this totally changes the way we live, like on the internet, it changes the way we see each other, right, that's exactly it and everything around it, right? There are health ones that I really like too, so there's a what is called the gladiator diet, which also has on Netflix we

have it Bru, let's see this one, well, this one has several famous people, several gladiator athletes and it shows all the athletes who are vegan, so it really addresses this health issue, this one, the gladiator diet, it's on Netflix, it's cool, there's one called What the Health is also on Netflix, which is about health, what is health, right? ISS, the impacts of food of animal origin, including my fiancee decided there because of this documentary, oh That's right What the H And I think these are the main ones What do you find on Netflix like this

for people? start, I think it's really cool, there's one from this year called the twin diet, I don't know if you watched it, they caught several twins, one eating food of animal origin on a healthy diet and one vegan in a healthy way, and then that stopped. don't talk about meat, eat fast food, no, both are healthy, you are what you eat and then at the end they show the impact on the health of both, like twins who have the same genetics, yes, very similar, they are exactly identical, right? So this is very cool, I

think that to start with these are That's pretty cool, that's what was the result of Rola spoiler Ah, so the vegans even rejuvenated themselves and became younger people, they lost weight, what happened was that the carnivores had little things but gained a little more muscle mass Uh, but that's also the case. it will vary a lot, there are the parameters that were used and so they took the omnivorous person and put them on a vegan diet, it was not someone who already followed it, so they probably made some mistakes also protein and everything else, but

even so it was much more positive for those who followed the vegan diet, perfect, you're talking about age, right? I see, I have a friend who is 80 years old, he looks 65 and He's vegan, wow, he's 65, that's cool, guys, even I'm looking at him like that for a long time. You can talk, I can't, okay, I can't because I didn't ask for permission, but then you can tell me here. I don't think a person who talks can do that. it's a question of rejuvenation is impressive goi so impressive it's the same as I

said about my skin, my skin is what has changed the most for me and the skin is what makes us young, right, yes, so wow, it's really a lot of show next Bru now let's go back Here's our questions, now what tips would you give to those who want to start veganism? I think you just talked about the documentaries, which I thought were wonderful, the documentaries, it's important that you research food so you don't have health problems and you understand. how much can you sustain that it's no use you try to do more than you

can at the moment, so let's say a worker who leaves in the morning and has to do things he doesn't have much time to cook guy who works in construction ex guy it's complicated he does it little by little, you know, sometimes you start including more on the weekend or what I actually did was my week I was vegan on the weekend I ate eggs and cheese during my transition period which lasted about two years so this week I was learning and doing it And then at the weekend I still wanted to go there I

would eat something , but I think the main part is the diet and understanding why you're doing it. What you're doing is important. Oh, I'm not going to do it just because so-and-so said otherwise, you'll leave one bubble and enter another. I'm saying something, one of the things that I haven't completely given up on is the eggs, but from chickens raised SOS, that I have someone who actually raises them and she gives them to me, I understand, it's already a very important step, that's definitely the step, that's the question. of milk, cheese has never been

a problem for me, so I understood, wow, It was more difficult for me, it wasn't for me, I didn't have a cheese habit, you know? Ah, I understand, so that's the same with options . These free-range eggs from free-range chickens are what I think are really cool and they're someone who does just that, uh, you know, go there, they're open for you to go there, I understand, you know, you know, it's here in Vargem Grande and Pedra de Guaratiba Nearby, so delivery here for the entire region and my detox juice in the morning I can't

live without it Oh cool and Coffee without anything coffee coffee I understand so my issue with these eggs oana is what I see like this is the main issue until the egg there nothing happens but for what I see what happens when the chicken goes down Pro they either slaughter it or sell it to be slaughtered so kind of like the chicken She's still in that cycle of I don't understand I only allow myself from this person because this person has this endi is is is the is the concept and what happens In many industries,

they put free-roaming chicken eggs there, it's like a gigantic shed with chickens, yes, they are free, but this isn't a place, it's a really cute place, it's just collected at night because animals can come and eat the chickens, right? It's a question of that, but there's that they live in a space there, they live, they live, it's really cool, cool, cool, really cool, it's close, Bru Ah, no, it's not over yet, calm down, the questions are over, the questions are over, we're now moving on to the moment, pipinho, which is a pingpong, pipim That's my

son, that happy brain, right? Yeah, and throughout our conversation he listened And then he's going to give me some words that he wants you to write down, what I saw in your head, respond, I understand, it doesn't need to be anything sophisticated, damn, let's see, let's go, let's go And if you don't want to, go ahead, he respects him, he's very well educated, so I'll say step by step, no problem, love Paula, sorry, love, Paula and Bibi, that's what Bianca said, ready, two , transformation Ah, veganism is mechanism, three, one vegan dish, favorite dry lentil,

uhum four If you could have a superpower what would it be and why? What would be a superpower? So it's not a word, an explanation, right? It's okay. Wow, it's difficult. Any superpower, any superpower. I think, I think I wanted to have the Super Power of having a mind . with A Brilliant Mind we can find solutions to various problems in the world so if I could be those geniuses like that, what do you have to do? It's not enough to be a genius you still have to influence people Exactly because if you are a

genius you can do it solve all the world's problems, yes, but then you also need one of a world policy favorable to putting this into practice, but then, theoretically, I would know how to do this, as well as how to conduct it, I had never said that, interesting, five purpose of life, purpose of life ah defend animals perfect six happiness happiness is being with my family seven complete the sentence to adopt is to donate is I want to escape the obvious no what it is can be Obvious to donate to donate is I see that

adopting is a responsibility is a responsibility exactly eight a longing one I miss you so much my animals when I was a child because they were My only friends so I miss them I had two Astor and Willy Astor should have been bigger ah Astor is always a dog he was a fud Dozinho That's right, that's always right I had a friend who had Astor was a boxer, you see Always and Joca, right, Joca's father, João, that dog , Golden, who died in the air transport Ah yes, he has another one now, it's Aston Ah,

how cool, cool, he was too it was difficult the situation, yes, our losing like this is very difficult, not like that, but you see, things are moving, it generated a movement, the companies are having to adapt, you understand, something bad has changed a lot, you know, we think it's bad sometimes It was the best thing that could have happened, exactly sometimes we don't realize it right away, right? That's right, nine. If you could change something in the world, what would it be? Ah, I think I wish people were more aware of their actions, I think.

that was what I would change because it would also solve all the problems of the majority will everyone be aware and responsible exactly then everyone wouldn't have war there wouldn't be so much deforestation there wouldn't be so much suffering everything would be resolved, right, a phrase or a thought to end a phrase or a cool thought I really like this phrase, the most important thing It's the path and not the speed, so if you want to go to a place there, don't worry so much about the speed, yes, you're on the right path, you're going

exactly Go ahead, my dear, I wanted to thank you so much, but don't worry, there are the gifts, it's not over, not this one It's a time for me that was released this day March 11th is yours oh it's your cool book yes it's phrases and reflections it's what comes to mind I'll write it down so you can use Open and see any message you can follow what you're doing for example today tomorrow it's in the afternoon Claro exclusive for me and here's happiness, which is a book that talks a lot about the historical philosophy

of the concept of happiness, although there's all the scientific part there, but there's also the philosophical part But don't worry, the presents aren't finished, we have here an ecobag of pipinho has our symbol here I can say it's make it happen inspire people I went here is a notebook for you to write down all your projects I think it's important to write it down physically, isn't that clearly proven? remember vegan remember Oh my love you will also have a little gift you are giving a little gift PR Paola, you see, it's good That's it, you

see, little toy, she's going to take the cool little toy, that's it for you to remember us and now you're going do the following you will look at that camera you don't need to look at me and give all your messages where they think you are whatever you want cool so guys I'm on all social media my @g Rocha the basis of everything I do is teach an accessible veganism for people that is cheap that can be easy that you have to be polite how to communicate everything that breaks the myths of veganism I bring

people to show there Also, everything you want to demystify and know and if you are interested, I will do my best to help on all my social networks and for everyone who is interested and wants to start, complement with the phrase I said, the most important thing is the path, not the speed. So don't worry so much about I want to turn around tomorrow and no, I want to follow this path so start man it starts here when you start you will find solutions whatever comes your way you will seek to follow your path and

know where you want to get to that you have to be have a motivation there and always remember her because the world is totally different for you to give up it's very easy man people will do everything to make you give up because they do everything to get you back to the masses so know what you want Choose your path and follow it beauty Thank you very much thank you meso dear we are finishing another episode of kite powder today it was with this cool guy Mateus Rocha if you don't know him I suggest you

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