(Heated debate) Dr.Umar: School Update, Hip Hop Failing Black America, and more. Pt. 2

what is the status of the School Frederick Douglas Marcus Garvey what is the status that's a good question and it's tough because family is the source of everybody's trauma that's what you call a traitor the hip-hop Community has betrayed Black America you're looking for a way not to have to engage the negative elements cuz you ain't got the courage to step to him and shut that down and that's what's happening in hip-hop you walk St in that corner cuz use that b holding the entire culture accountable for letting it go on pop fatherless black boys

ain't bullsh your job that is your job you can't put that onop put all this money none of it to help the bull you listen to hip-hop music and you were inspired at some point no I'm leav hello and welcome to us over everything I'm Alex and today is part two of episode with Dr Umar and if you haven't seen the first one go do that and come back now this episode is by far our most heated almost fiery episode today so you're going to be in for a treat make sure you watch to the

end because it gets better towards the end all right let's get into the episode so I'm I have a few questions um I'm a part of a a black group in Toronto a a black men's group okay so I'm ask you some questions from that from that group and then M I'm going give you stage a little bit ask some questions Dr Umar yeah I have one more question and Dr Umar does have to go quick so soon so fire those off quickly and where we at what time is it yeah it's 1 it's 105

so you got to go we got hour we good till two two solid amazing all right cool so what message do you have for black men in Toronto from a US lens I'mma go from a Pana africanist lens it doesn't have to be a us lens black men everywhere I would probably give the same assessment because wherever I go I see the same handful of problems Africa Caribbean Central South America Toronto Asia Europe same thing single mother Le homes mass incarceration of black men with chronic employment White Jesus fatherless black boys so what do black

men need to do number one we need to organize we need to organize and take back our streets and in order to take back our streets we got to take back our boys we're not doing enough with the young men there's too many young men who don't have a father figure in their life and one of my G with the black church they're not doing enough for the mentorship of the fatherless boys every time I talk to a pastor about working with the fatherless boys you know the first question they want to bring up is

there any funding for that why the hell you need money to spend time with our fatherless young men stop looking for a hustle and put in the struggle but anyhow organize take back the boys organize and build each other up economically as men one of our biggest problems as black men we fight too much with each other too much competition too much ego too much trying to outdo the five of us should not be competing with each other the five of us should be collaborating with each other to build and invest together black men need

each other because let's just be honest we are the number one threat to the global white power structure not Al-Qaeda right not Russia not the Taliban black men have always been the threat always been the threat so if we can just come together stop fighting each other and fight together with each other against our true enemies we would be unstoppable African people are waiting for black men to collaborate we got to get there next question what is the status of the School Frederick Douglas Marcus Garvey what is the status of the school well tomorrow morning

I got to meet with a door contractor I want to get some new doors the doors we got are good you know they're secure but they're old and since the school is 15 years old physically the school is 15 years old uh we've had it for five of those 15 um I want to give it a fresh look so I want fresh doors we got another paint job another layer of paint we got some floors to cover up once we cover up the floors put that other layer of paint it's time for inspection we at

the finish line so I hope to be applying for the inspection before summer ends um and some might say why not next week something always comes up every time you at the Finish Line something always comes some little fix this fix this you know but we right there you know so my thing is let's get the building uh permitted before the end of the summer so we can have a grand opening probably for Quanza but we going to start educating the children next summer though because we need time to get ready we can't do it

that fast but we right there we dancing around the finish line and you know people always ask me so what's going to be the date I can't give a date I didn't had like six dates and I violated every date you know what I mean and because some one thing this has taught me when you institution building don't give out no dates to the institution done the biggest mistake M I made was I thought I could predict nah wait till you completely done and then give out a date but we right there at the Finish

Line floors and doors and Floors walls and doors and we done before you move on from the school quickly what's going to be your role cuz I know that you're all over the world you're speaking to many people I'm going to be the Principal okay so you're actually I won't be able to travel as much yeah I'm physically because you got to remember we're going to be tuition based yeah you know and so when people send their children to the Frederick Douglas Marcus Garvey Academy they assuming that they going to get to experience Dr Umar

In the Flesh yeah so if I'm not there number one that's dangerous because I'm not sure my teachers are teaching you follow me and number two they don't really get the eat tun day experience right so I'm going to be the principal and I'm also going to be the history teacher and is that going to be your plan for like a long time or are you going to kind of do that as schools come as we get more schools I'm going to have to fall back and I'm going to be more of a superintendent gotta

than the principal you follow but I still plan to be the history teacher even if I have to do so virtually how about psychology would you be involved in that as well cuz I know well I probably will be the school psychologist as well although we will not have a Bonafide special ed program we will have programs for disabled children but special ed is federal which means that's public dollars we don't take public dollars so we will not have a public special a program gotcha thank you okay what's your views on religion in school uh

well we will have one of our Bonafide curriculums will be African spirituality you don't have to practice it but you must study it so if you say my I want my son to go to fdmg but he cannot learn about the ancestors he cannot learn about the way African people worship God he can't come to the school no child is exempt from any aspect of the curriculum and the reason I'm bringing this up is good I'm glad you asked the question because I've had supporters who intend to send their children to the school but they

want to exempt them from the African spirituality curriculum can't happen they don't have to practice they don't have to P liation but they must know why we do it you follow me they have to get the instruction but they don't have to participate in the practice I had one father he's a big supporter he said Dr I'm a Christian I cannot allow my son to learn anything about African spirituality I said well he won't be able to come to the school I said it's a shame and you need to check your hypocrisy he said what

do you mean I said your son go to a public school right he said yeah they're being taught to worship white people they're being taught about homosexuality and transgenderism yeah they're being taught that African people can achieve nothing in the world they're being special educated me uh uh medicated mistreated you was okay with all that look you was okay with all that but you're not okay with them learning about how their ancestors worship God a system you know nothing about he had to pause and step back yeah he probably still not going to send him

to the school but I just want him to see the hypocrisy of a black man telling a black man your son can't come to my school because you don't want them to learn about African spirituality when he goes to a school where he's taught everything about demonology so would you be okay with sending your child to a school and hypothetically mhm in in that same situation where let's say like you really want to send your child to this school but they teach whatever it is the homosexuality TR whatever it is are you okay with that

or would you actually want that your child to be exempt from learning those things well are we comparing homosexuality with African spirituality no no no I don't want to compare it I'm just using that cuz that's the example that you brought up but take away take away that stuff let's say it was a Christian School that you really wanted to pist Christian Academy because if it is a pan africanist Christian Academy I know God going to look like my children so although I may not necessarily agree with some of the religious beliefs I can tolerate

it because at least I know they won't be taught self-hate through the imagery got you got you yeah um what's the difference between African spirituality and Voodoo okay voodo is one form of African spirituality oh just like you have many different branches of Christianity you have many different branches of African spirituality Absol it's a denomination for lack of a better term you could call it a denomination for lack of a better term right under the umbrella of African spirituality so many of our ancestors who came to Haiti if you would they came from the region

of benane Togo uh Angola uh some of those African countries and well all of us no matter where we came from we came from countries where African spirituality was practiced vodun is that form of African spirituality that came with us to the islands when we got to the islands the slave master didn't allow us to use African spirituality especially after the Haitian revolution right because the Asian Revolution was founded on African spirituality right the vodun system so I practice eepi out of Nigeria which is eural culture Epi is a cousin to vodun very similar but

there are some differences so the de are very similar oon I am a son of oon so in African culture everybody in here is born under the protection of a guardian Spirit you're ruling orisha right man is oon the Divinity of War iron power and Justice that is the orisha that was evoked uh at baqua Iman in Haiti that gave birth to the Haitian revolution in Haiti they'll call it o you see because we had to hide our African spirituality we had to tuck it into the the Roman Catholicism and Christianity of the slave master

so we would we would assign every orisha or in the case of voodoo it would be Loa we would assign one of these divinities to a a a a a Christian Saint right so Mama yon who is the feminine principle that gives birth to all life this is the energy that God created to bring forth light she would be syncretized with a mother Mary so when a white man walks into the church it looks like you're honoring mother Mary but that's really Queen Mother yoj you see U might be syncretized with St Peter it looks

like you're paying homage to St Peter but it's really oou so we had to hybridize the system to hide it from the slave master kind of like Constantine absolutely absolutely and so I believe you know Voodoo has gotten a really bad name through Hollywood or through missed after the Haitian revolution the white man went out of his way to destroy the respect and the love and the Adoration that African people had towards traditional traditional African spirituality and that's why when people hear the war Vu do they think of uh zombies and raising dead people and

putting hexas on people it's not about that now I'm EPA you know which is separate EPA is Nigeria it's called fa in banin okay Voodoo in banin in fact Benin is the voodoo Capital when I visited Benin we actually went to the hometown of t LA overo because he was from benan so a lot of your Haitians come from benine Angola Togo right in that area Nigeria same thing with Haiti Jamaica same kind of thing in Puerto Rico it became Sania Paulo Lumi voodo EA fa these are all different name kondam these are all different

names for different denominations of almost a singular African faith in that they have way more in common than have that is not in common and this is where you get eat tund and your name O absolutely I got Eat tund oun This is a village I might want to visit it if you get a chance South Carolina are you flying to Savannah or Charleston it's in Buford excuse me it's in Sheldon South Carolina the oyotunji African village o.org o yo T nji I went there November 11th of 2019 at my first divination here chief of

light time he's now an ancestor rest in peace and he named me in communication with the Divinity so when God created the universe there was one spirit that God allowed to witness all of creation only one spirit that Divinity is called EPA or orun Mila orun means Heaven Mila means messenger Ori is the messenger of God he would be the voice the energy not a man and this how African spirituality differs from the religions because the religions follow a heroic human agency Abraham came Moses came Joshua came Jesus came Noah came Muhammad came African spirituality

we're not required to believe in the Divinity of any human being it's all spirit so oruma is a spirit that we've never seen and it is through oruma oruma brought the wisdom to man of the universe Epi is the universal system that controls everything in existence so the name of God in Yuba is Ol D Mar Olo D Mar literally means the owner of the source of all creation what is the source EA There are 16 feminine energies that God used to create everything in the world 16 time 16 is 256 so there's 256 energy

patterns that created everything on Earth you me the lights good evil light Darkness the fish the water the elephants the plants War peace everything was birthed from these 16 odos or energy powers forces right and then they multiply cuz they interact with each other that's how you get the 256 energy patterns every one of us is born under a energy pattern that guides your destiny on this earth and the reason the system is called EA because eepi means Destiny before you incarnated before you came to the womb of your mother you was in heaven you

sat at the feet of God and you chose a purpose for being here when you were born you lost the knowledge of why you came and the reason we communicate with oruma because remember oruma witnessed creation Ori knows the end of everything Ori know when I'm going to die when he going to die how many kids you going to have if you going to live in Canada for the rest of your life how long it's going to take the African people to reclaim Africa how long the sun goingon to be in the sky how long

the planets are going to exist oruma knows everything because God gave him the wisdom to know the ends so when you get a spiritual reading of divination it is the spirit of auma that opens up your future because auma already knows what's going to happen God gave him that blessing and oruma communicates to the priest the Priestess to say okay he's about to walk into a very good situation in the next five years but he needs to do some things to make sure he gets his Blessing and it doesn't pass you by because even though

God has something in store for you you can miss it if you were not living correctly there might be something bad in store for you but guess what through certain sacrifices you can actually avoid that so with African spirituality we differ from the world religions in three main areas number one we can do something about our future besides just praying about it there's spiritual remedies mathematically precise spiritual remedies to deal with certain things don't you have to pray we pray but we can also manipulate the forces of the universe to bring about a desired end

in a way that is supported by almighty God right so that's one divination number two the balance of masculine and feminine Christianity Islam Judaism God is always masculine all power is in the hands of masculinity not an African culture God is the owner of the masculine and The Feminine so we can call on God the mother as much as we will call on God the father so African spirituality still has the balance of male and female and we would argue one of the reasons why there hasn't been more good done through religion is religion has

deprived us of the feminine principle and a third reason a third difference and there's many but the third one is ancestral veneration in Christianity and Islam there's no space for ancestors even though you calling on all these people from the Bible in our culture our ancestors play a guiding role and they can play a decisive role in our life and whether we fulfill our destiny so being black matters being African matters being from my family matters and we call on our Undead cuz nobody dies our Undead we call on them to help us because in

African culture guess what our ancestors are our Angels they're the ones with the wings on their back they're the ones looking over our shoulder they're the ones who intercede to God on our behalf is that where black panther took that from absolutely got you absolutely got got absolutely so question from Michael G brother Umar you have eloquently articulated the generational problems do you have any active and effective Solutions in place or pending that could have generational impact well number one education the schools obviously uh from a psychological perspective until we have a psychological Revolution we

won't have any other kind until you change the way black people think you change nothing about us our problems we have the money we got all the educated people you understand we got the intelligence we got the we got what we need mhm the only resource we're missing is the Psychological Resource black people are not committed black people don't believe in themselves white power has convinced us we can't beat it you see that white power has convinced us we can't beat it and this is a big reason why this is a big reason why a

lot of black men are dating white women let let's get into the snow buddies because the white woman stay with me the white woman is the black man's surrender flag when I walk into a party with my white wife when I go on vacation with my white wife when I go into a job interview with my white wife when I go to a business dinner with my white wife I'm communicating to the white man that as much as I can be I am one of you and I am on your side because look at who

I'm sleeping with the white woman is a symbol of the black man's masculine surrender you think so said that too early but organization yeah you can't solve any problem without being organized until we organize we don't solve any problem so when he said what's the next step organized in other words where's the study group at in Toronto how often are black men coming together to study and to also discuss our issues and plot a course forward where is the black Bank in Toronto or can we start a credit union or could we start a suu

where every black man in this Cipher is going to put $100 in a month and once we get $100,000 we going to buy a building so we got a place where we can organize our people take care of our young folks institutions are 50% of the solutions institutions School Bank Hospital Supermarket manufacturing distribution if we ain't talking institutions we not serious about Solutions and the reason why we can't change our people's behavior is in order to change Behavior you got to have control over the institutions that they need right if I want to work for

the white man he going to tell me how to dress he going to tell me how to look he going to tell me how to talk and I'm going to do it because I want that job or I want that free food or I want that housing you can only control people behavior when you got something they need we don't do anything for our people why the hell would they listen to you until you can provide them with what they need you'll never get their attention so I have a quick question actually it's two questions

introduce yourself to the audience oh my name Iman I'm the owner of activated Studios competent construction activated estate uh activated Trucking I do multiple things powerful powerful um Peace and pan-africanism yes sir but I would say when you trying to organize your family like the men in the family the women in the family so many different ways of thinking how do somebody go about that because it's it's very hard to get to the meat of the situation because like you said earlier it's a lot of bickering uh different situations at hand that's irrelevant really but

we just can't get past that to create something uh economically so we can just grow as a family to you know be obtain power let's say political power or anything like that so that's one and the next question is what would you say to somebody who in a hood the neighborhood right where they think no one is bigger than a hood and you know you have to be of the hood because you from the hood right so that first question with the family that's a good question and it's tough because family is the source of

everybody's trauma right any issue we have addiction smoking suicide low self-esteem is started in that family it's going to be difficult to organize your family without first addressing those traumas right if you got unacknowledged sex abuse in that family you got unacknowledged emotional abuse you got unacknowledged adultery you got unacknowledged betrayal unacknowledged theft unacknowledged sabotage ain't nobody organized it's gonna be a fight popping off every five minutes an argument right right right same thing with the larger Community same thing right we just going to the microcosm so for me if I'm trying to organize my

family I'm only going to go to four or five people who I know I can trust and we're going to get organized first come up with the blueprint and then the relatives that they're most closest with they're going to pull in one by one the worst thing you can do with your family the worst thing we can do with black people is invite everybody to the table at the same time time that's a recipe for disaster get the ones who want to win and get the ones who ain't necessarily concerned later right problem we make

in Black America with our families and with our communities we assume everybody has the same level of commitment to our struggle and we know that ain't the truth why you starting with people who got little concern get the ones who got big concern I rather have three people who I know are ride to die and 3,000 who I know I can't trust right but your second question which is another good question which I think is something that we ain't dealt with enough and that is this tendency for black people black men in particular to elevate

their loyalty to the hood above their loyalty to black folks you see this in a hip-hop Community true where you see hip-hop artists basically saying without saying it because they didn't want to go too far I'm loyal to hip-hop I ain't loyal to black people you almost feel it you almost feel it right like yeah we might kill talk about shooting and sexing the women but that's what hip hop is okay but it's negatively impacting the community and they almost want to say I don't get I care you see what I'm saying fact so my

thing is this if the black community cannot rehabilitate and re-anchor Hip-Hop culture back into the community that birthed it we're going to have to destroy it and it's funny you say that because right here at the studio activated Studios I have those same conversations with different artists and like I said a lot of them come from New York they're just all over and come here to make their music and I say well you say this but it affect they like man I don't give a they they tell me it's all it's almost it's almost like

you know what it's almost like you know how we got the black bouge Z they consider themselves above they don't have to answer to nobody else they don't care how what they do affects the rest of us the hip-hop Community is almost a black bis of its own right we don't see it as that because they act like they from the hood but think about it they're not from the hood no more they don't live there true you understand they don't party there they damn sure don't spend their money there right so if you look

at it the hip-hop Community is really the new BW yeah that's crazy think about it they live in white neighborhoods they all all of them send their kids to White schools they only act like they still from the hood to stay relevant to sell their music outside of that they live in White lives yeah kind like like Travis Scott for exctly they living White lives that's a that's a great Point um you still selling death and destruction to my kids while your kids going to $30,000 a year privilege white schools that's what you call a

Traer the hip-hop Community has betrayed Black America so why does it still exist because of the money black people worship money and materialism and since the hip-hop artist can provide it hip-hop ain't going to go nowhere we claim to be Christian no we not we are Idol worshippers and the idol is money and merchandise most black Christians are not Christians most black Muslims are not Muslims most black Hebrews 7day Adventist evangelists episcopalians most African spirituality African spiritualists no they not they are Idol worshippers look at how they live I don't care what they profess look

at how we live are we really worshiping God or are we worshiping money Dr Umar um I I I I got to challenge I I got a challenge introduce yourself to the a one more time it's Mouse Jones I'm back um just want to CH challenge some or just get a bit Clarity for my uh when you say that hip hop isn't of the hood anymore or hip-hop has become this thing are we talking about the culture of hip-hop or we talking about the in the industry of hip-hop I'm talking about both and I'm going

tell you why yeah I don't like when we have conversations about the degenerative side of hip hoph and members of the hip-hop Community which we all are MH will try to scapegoat the degeneracy MH as gangster rat yeah and say that the culture of Hip Hop is something different right that may be true but you know what the problem is what if that is true yeah why don't those who claim to identify with the progressive side of hipop do not hold accountable those who engage in the degenerative form of Hip Hop how do you how

do you in other words go ahead take the BET Awards and of course bet owned by white folks we understand right but guess what the positive and the negative are on showcase there there's no delineation made on all the hip-hop platforms the positive and the negative are on display there's no delineation there so if we want to make a delineation between what is hip hop and what is not we got to do it more than in a conversation with Dr Umar because the question I would ask people is Jay-Z hip hop yes most people say

is well look at the content of his music isn't that degenerate is notorious b Hip Hop look at the content of his music stay with me you see what I'm saying so we can't call a kettle black on Monday and red on Tuesday either it's hip hop or it's not and before you respond let me give you an analysis to make it a little bit more clear let's take the African-American Muslim Community yes sir and Christian Community right there's brothers who go to the Masid for June yeah on Friday in the outside Wilding yeah and

when you go to the E and say that dude right there just took a life the other day you let him for Friday prayer you know what he gonna say then he's not living Islam but if he's not living Islam why the hell he in your Masid do you see what I'm saying you're looking for a way not to have to engage the negative elements cuz you ain't got the courage to step to them and shut that [ __ ] down and that's what's happening in hip-hop the the conscious artists and those who claim that

the ganga rap ain't really hip-hop why you ain't saying that to the ganga rappers why you ain't going to the BET Awards and saying no more nominations for negative content if you disrespecting women if you promoting violence if you promoting irresponsibility guess what no more nominations for you if that ain't hip hop why that ain't been done yet show me the accountability I think the accountability happens on a multiple on on multiple levels but I I don't think Hip Hop hold yourself accountable I agree with that I agree with that 1,00% I have a I

have a video um where I where I discuss hip hop being in desperate need of a me too movement I talk I I I talk about this you know we've come across each other stuff you know through through through Chara but yeah I'm I'm always saying that I think my problem is that when we when we sit when we sit as black people or members of Yes black people that's members of the hip-hop Community we can't allow Outsiders we can't out people and sometimes it's black people that are Outsiders too not every black person is

a participant or lives the hip-hop culture you you you may be a black person but the hip-hop culture you may not subscribe to right so just because you're black I don't look at you for that right I need to know that you partake in the hip-hop culture that you subscribe to the hip-hop culture to have such a such not not talking about you I'm saying when we're looking at that basically so to say that I say the degeneracy saying that is a part of hip-hop I don't know if it is I know it's a crime

I know that it is a byproduct of uh most times it's a byproduct of uh poor of being poor and growing up in poor underprivileged communities uh every you like you say yeah political scientist I know you've seen it uh all the all the studies show that it it's not a black crime problem that crime is a uh uh opport is when opportunity meets underserved communities uh uh uh that that's why when they talk about crime in black neighborhoods why because that's where the most poor people are right it it crime happens where there are

poor people there where there are not opportunities where where opportunities are far and few between right so it's not rain is it yeah that is go ahead go ahead bro oh yeah um so my that's that's that's what I would say I I don't know that the degeneracy is a part of hip-hop as much as it is a crime but I wouldn't hold anybody in hipop so accountable for uh for talking about a life they lived or a life they grew up witnessing more than I would hold a journalist responsible for covering what's going on

in Palestine or what's going on in war count you on his grounds a journalist is trained to report the news as it occurred without passion or prejudice our hip-hop artists do not report their experience without passion or Prejudice they report it with both passion and Prejudice and they glamorize and glorify it to tell me that this is all I can rap about because this is all I've seen when you living in a million dooll mansion and your kids go to a white school that's a complete hypocrite I agree but I would I would ask who

still does that who still does that like you perfect example you brought up who are the top 10 hip-hop artists currently rapping right now and what is the content of their music I would challenge that most of them are not rap today or you talking about all time right now yeah I would challenge that all 10 of them are probably not talking about anything Hood because that's not the most prevalent music right now yeah right all right so we talking about trap I I I got this you got you got you got Travis Scott what's

his content we don't know what he's saying but he's not talking about hood [ __ ] he's talk he might he might be at most talking about like illicit illicit drug use but that's what he does but that's part of it not a good he's the top 10 though he said top he said top 10 what what gangster rappers are top 10 top Street that's not what he he didn't ask for that caveat deal with both let's deal with the top 10 so if there top 10 that's top 10 those are the people that are

on yeah those are the biggest artist and those are the people that are selling to the mass audience I would say Travis Scott he ain't rapping about that maybe Kendrick but he has he has balance Drake we all know when he talks that ganger [ __ ] he's C playing but yeah but he he talked the gangster [ __ ] he he does he he had some some of that um who would be up there uh then F you yeah future future talk the gangster [ __ ] future talks the gangster [ __ ] um

who didn't then 21 Savage talks The Gangsta [ __ ] I wouldn't say he's top 10 him top right now he's top 10 for sure okay boom he's talking that gangster [ __ ] Jay Cole he's not talking that Gangsta [ __ ] at all right I'll give Jay a pass Uzi no popular talk boss sexy I don't think I don't think the most of the country knows who boss man Dow is sexy R I don't think most but you know what here's my rebuttal and this is why I disagree you can't pick and choose

what you want to consider and not consider hip-hop when it's all done under that umbrella and nothing publicly is being done to differentiate I think I think the umbrella is black mus not hipop he in my M praying he on the street killing but when you come to me and ask me to hold him accountable oh he's not a good Muslim but he's in Yas though so you saying that ain't really hip-hop but they all at the BET Awards though they all at the concerts they all at the the which is there to celebrate the

work not the doing but you see what you're doing I'm just talking about what the I'm talking about the I'm talking about the atmosphere but bro what when is Hip Hop going to put some structure to the [ __ ] let me give you an example Let me Give an example just like on the CDs you not used to put parental advis expressit lyrics yes there needs to be they still do that that said right but there needs to be a stamp that says this is not hip-hop you see what I'm saying and let me

tell you why hip-hop doesn't hold gangster rap accountable because they the ones making the damn money and nobody want to get cut out of being par L included in on that why nobody rebuked the NWA cuz look what they were selling nobody never stepped to big or Jay or any other the artist who was into the Gangsta [ __ ] cuz they sell nobody want to be on the wrong side of making money money came first it's the same reason why hip-hop was sold out to the white industry immed cuz everybody cared about the money

when we were selling hip hop out of our trunk and everybody was having fun that's where it should have stayed but [ __ ] got thirsty for being rich and famous and they sold it out like every other part of our culture got sold out music dance Jazz hip-hop ain't the only thing but I'm just showing you it's it's just the most vocal and easy the only challenge I have y'all can't be picking and choosing that so disingenuous cuz y'all don't make no distinctions nowhere else when you say big big died at 24 we don't

know where he would have I agree but you still got to take out the material I'm a big fan I'm out I'm just saying our greatest artist there you go we specifically when we talk about Jay raing about he not rapping about being losing 92 bricks no more he's rapping about art and wishing he would have made better CH to 60 now but his first four albums was about what that but that was his access that's where he was if we're going to give them the room to grow but here we go we going back

to the journalist argument they're not reporting what they went through neutrally like a journalist they are celebrating and glorifying it m you understand look at all the rat beefs they glorify and glamorize because conflict sells you you benefit from your experience and I'm now I'm talking about you you benefit from your experience everything youve studied everything you researched yeah but I'm from the ghetto too I'm not I'm they did I gangang but I could talk about what I've seen I'm not talking about that I'm not even challenged that I'm just saying you sit here today

Harold we're all we're all uh we're all excited and we're all appreciative and they had to glamorize it I'm not saying they had to glamorize I'm saying they made because Public Enemy was from the hood but Public Enemy chose to flip it right but that's when I look at Big Daddy Kane or a rock Kim they was into the gangster [ __ ] but they also had that other side of Consciousness with them I could deal with that because it was a balanced hip-hop the Big Daddy Kan to care the Caris it was a balanced

hip-hop It's Full Tilt now I I don't know if that I I don't know if that's true based on just the level of music that everyone has access to right if you have access to this much this much music defended I'mma go I'm going give you the same argument I gave them about Drake not coming out telling everybody he black why defend it and why not just make them accountable I think because I because like I said earlier I think the conversation is deeper and we're going to need someone like you and and other like-minded

people that are going to be able to have that conversation outside of the white gay where where because this is layered right the same issues we talk about just within the black community and how how the mental struggles and the PTSD that you talk about all of that it's all prevalent I don't think it's ever going to happen you want to know why oh I agree with because the Jewish the Jewish companies control the financial so it'll never blint of Hip Hop I'm with nobody wants to be on the other side of not making money

and because of that everybody's going to turn to Blind Eye which means the grace needs to come which means the grace needs to come within but but like I said it is one of the it's it's almost a byproduct of being black in being in support of other black I'm not say the job of an artist is not just to describe it is to project an artist even an artist that's doing art to show you the ghetto they are still supposed to project it in such a way that shows people how this ghetto can be

transformed into something that's currently not hip-hop artists don't do that they don't say this is what we're living but this is what we should be doing this is what we're going through but let's take it you only get a handful who do that also they not Progressive we're also talking about nine times out of 10 we're also talking about kids we're talking about young people who come straight from poverty into millions there's that middle ground doesn't happen pod brought by theide sellers win are the only black old Wines in Canada where you know what to

do hit the link below and scoop up not one not two but a case of wine this is the White Field blenders wine so make sure you go scoop that hit the link below and this is n.ca let's get back to the show Nigro your most popular rappers 30 and 40 still talking gangster [ __ ] not really yes who who Studio you know we're talking about suful we're they talk about building institutions and saving kids no that if that's not what their experence I don't care how old they are why aren't the OG's checking

them then because they want to be and that's the problem that is the problem they want a piece of the money right there we just found the problem what did I just say we are Idol worshippers but we can't hold the kids accountable if no one's guiding entire culture accountable for letting it go on ye yes we would have to hold you see what I'm saying but that doesn't mean allowing the painting of the degeneracy to then say this represents hip-hop cuz if that's not hip hop primarily represented by gangster rat no no yes it

is I would disagree yes it is yeah no it is it is top 10 rappers of all time M my personal my personal top five it goes Jay-Z it goes rockim It goes Andre 3000 Big Kendrick okay okay two of those gangster two of them not and then one is kind of in the middle you're still at 50% gangsterism is that acceptable is it acceptable who's the Gangster Jay-Z was gangster [ __ ] but we've also seen him progress out of it don't get to PR you don't get PR I ask a question can I

ask you a question if I sold dope for 30 years and I gave it up and now I'm raising my kids yeah am I off the hook for creating a whole generation of drug addicts what have you done to amend for it what has he done to amend for he's open he's openly giv money to underfunded communities st stop stop how many schools has he built none stop how many hospitals has he built none stop how many banks has he built none how many supermarkets has he built none I don't care about nothing else you

got to say relevant institutions bro don't give me no handouts don't give me no charity in that case are you any less useful or absolutely cuz I got two schools and one about to open you damn right if no one can benefit from the school was the difference as of right now in this moment if no one can benefit from set School big because even though the children can't go to the school right now you're talking to a man who saved more black children from the school to prison Pipeline and any black men ever walk

in this country so I'm still relevant how many you say from the school to prison pipeline everyone he's employed how many people he employed I bet you I say more from Rock from Rock Nation Rock but my point is to whom much is given much is received I'm not a billionaire he's a billionaire you understand so to your point you can't compare him to me cuz I'm not a billion m a billionaire gave us some charity that's not enough billionaires should be building institutions not giving out charity and I like Jay so this is not

about Jay we could talk about Tyler Perry we could talk about puff we could talk about Serena we could talk about Rihanna we could talk about uh uh uh Tiger Woods Bob Johnson we could talk about any billionaire we're just using Jay as the example my point is if you a billionaire and you ain't built no institutions for black people what are you really doing that give you that I'll give you but I cannot and we can go bigger than that we just s of celebrated 50 years of hip-hop what has been the sum benefit

to black people of 50 years of hip-hop outside of economic advancement what was out what was the economic advancement of Black America because of it's the biggest it's the biggest export everybody in the black community I'm going ask you again yes sir how did Black America benefit from 50 Years of Hip Hop and don't give me individual Rappers that's called tokenism and Bo i w give no no I won't give you tokenism I how we benefited as a people from hip-hop advancements and fashion how fashion that that's I can't let you have that I we

don't control fashion anyone that's able to make money any black person that's able to make a living in an industry bro how many is that the labels that our people white people labels it's way more now than what was going on like but that's not that's not a that's not a real benefit I I would disagree how we been how is Black America benefiting from Fashion what we talking about any advancment any advancment in fashion for black how we benefit from Fashion bro LV that's notal yeah so you're missing what I'm saying if some if

hip-hop when hip-hop comes hip-hop is an entire culture our fashion The Way We Walk The Way We how is that a benefit to Black America because now people who didn't have access to jobs in the fashion black people specifically who didn't have access to jobs before the explosion of hi hip-hop 50 years ago these white companies that make billions of dollars for white I'm talking about blackowned companies that have how many fub fub I'm getting out of here what who the [ __ ] we F car in2 you said you're moving moving to go you're

moving the gold post you're moving the gold post come on you said in 50 years oh come on you said in 50 years you reaching bro you reaching that's not you though people that is a reach what you said in 50 years 50 years what has transpired this ninja went back to the late 80s no this is crazy no yes it is yes it but it's not obviously it's not where it was before but the advancement that those four men bo bo so 50 years Foo boo jacket and some car Canady no and for the

billions that hip-hop make I'm supposed to be content with that I can't be content you as a question horrible answer give me something a horrible answer who decides horrible answer who decides War literally having a a gline come out with H&M right now a black person owns that line two a black man he's saying you're bringing up individual people that's token I said the benefit thank you the benefit commun there's always tokens Barack Obama was President KLA Harris was vice president Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court don't give me individuals how did we win

gave I gave you how did we win we're not going to win hip hop is still looked at and regarded as a as a trash dump amongst white people in this in that music industry so no if you're looking for me to say oh hip hop in 50 years has made sure that black people now are respected and no that's not going to what has it done for the people it gave you you listen to hip-hop music and you were inspired at some point no [ __ ] I'm Le we're moving we're literally we're moving

gold post it ain't done [ __ ] in 50 years for the community they made individuals rich and that's it and then gave jobs to and then gave jobs they gave a couple jobs to drug dealer giving out a couple jobs too but the drug dealer is the drug dealer is the drug dealer is essential to the black community in the ghetto you can't tell me that somebody years hip hop ain't done [ __ ] concretely beneficial to the black community you gave me fashion the first thing out of your mouth was fashion I gave

you fashion then you started yelling over me but then also then then is uh technological advancement podcasting podcasting for example look at all the black people that now have access to jobs and ways to make money due to that we're still talking about rap we're still talking about Cinema we're still talking about these camera operators these Tech these new people coming up make real concrete for you I just made a concrete no no it wasn't that was all [ __ ] give me a relevant give me a relevant institution that hip hop built in any

Community anywhere in America in 50 [ __ ] years told no you didn't I told you I just told you concrete people that would not had I didn't say individuals I said an institions I said people where's the bank of poop for the black the definition of the word people means not an individual so I'm telling you people that are now that now of 50 years ago would not had access to work deal in individualism I ask you what did they do for the community you can't give me nothing cuz they ain't done people from

the community can now work in the music industry that there was never going to be a space for them what the [ __ ] that's individualism that ain't helping us that's [ __ ] no bull [ __ ] [ __ ] it's not helping us no no what's happening is virtual siging that's virt signal ain't that [ __ ] a few people could get jobs everybody can say that [ __ ] Elon Musk got a couple black people in a payroll that don't mean [ __ ] Elon mus didn't come from black he's not a

black person my point is you can get a job from anywhere whether they black or not not a unique benefit but you're still talking about individualism bro a few people you've been around for 50 years the most popular music genre in the world billions and billions of dollars and all you can tell me about is a few people can get jobs that's [ __ ] when you look at the cost that the black community has had to pay for hip hop a whole generation two three generations of black kids growing up thinking the best thing

you can do is be a damn gangster I I don't I can't I can't that part I can't give you does hip hop need accountability absolutely does hip hop need a me too movement overall do we need to have things in place that make sure sure we respect women and women are safe working in these spaces absolutely but will I sit here in trash hipop and say in 50 years it's done nothing for the advancement of black people I've given you multiple you just won't accept them I can't control what you accept are not institutions

jobs are not institutions job institutions that I give you masterp give inti hip hop itself hip hop itself is an institution my white people what the [ __ ] you talking about Jews own that [ __ ] [ __ ] is you saying that ain't no way black people own that [ __ ] Jews can own the music business they can't own hip hop Fu at this [ __ ] they can't own hip hop cut the let's cut the blade a little thinner [ __ ] they run it listen they run it we listen the

Jews the Jews can sell the product the Jews can own the money that goes out for advances they can't own hip-hop go to law school you would be a great attorney who don't they tell you what to do how to get there who is telling you what to wear major hipop stations white people who own all the record labels white people who we are in America which is owned by majority white people we are you should say that we are statistically only represented by 13 you do know there's Asians in America and their number is

lower than yours and they own their own [ __ ] so don't give me the fact that weren't brought over here and ch it don't matter we are2 trillion people why have our own why hasn't more Independence there's no way you can continue to keep moving a goalpost like this there's no way we can there's no way we can there's no way we can keep talking about there's no way we can keep talking about PTSD the way you describe it and then say oh well they you know they can't you have to acknowledge into this

country you are one of those hip hoppers who would rather this is what you no you're one of them y'all going to defend hip hop I'm defending no matter how bad I'm defending people no how negative his impact has been on our people yall going to defend it no matter what I'm going to defend for you hip hop is more important than the black community not all not at all what are you going to do to make these what are you going to do to make them accountable to commity would make such a statement not

knowing the work that I've already put in in hip hop there ain't no other black heterosexual man standing up the way I'm standing up from the hood saying yo hip hop needs a overhaul hip hop needs a me too [ __ ] need to be held accountable for the egregious crimes and ways they've held uh uh against portray uh perpetuated against ask you a question let me ask you a question hip hop has done more in my opinion than any other single institution or system to destroy the public image of black men in America over

the past 40 years I'm not even sure if American mainstream media has destroyed us more than the negative betrayal of black men in Hip Hop stay with me you just kic you just kicked an entire stay with me go ahead that's one number two I'm not sure if American mainstream media has done more to objectify and sexualize the black women more than our black men in the hip-hop music in the hip-hop community so you're talking about the public destruction of the black male image and the public destruction of the black female image the only industry

that may have done a worser job on our Public Image than hip hop has been the white man's mainstream media because of those two things whatever [ __ ] benefit you want to give me that you think Hip Hop has given Black America those two detriment clearly outweigh any benefits you can have you said and you and just just so I know desecration of the black man's image and the public of the black woman's image especially young black men and young black wom and you specifically said past 40 years yes sir so then I would

say 40 years ago so let's go 41 years ago what was the public what was the public image of the black man and black positive at all so how we do however here you go skate again you're good at it but listen listen you're very good at it but guess what you are moving in the 70s I ain't moving nothing in the 70s we just came out of Dr King's assassination yeah integration was full swing the colleges was opening up right so at that time the image of black men still negative because the white man

never going to portray us great but guess what but what was that we were it wasn't gangbangers it wasn't it was it was lazy opioid addicted uh nonworking men that leave the hous I got you and how did and how did hip hop help it they said well I'll take I'll I'll take control of my own image I won't let you myself as what what whatever I decide to whatever I deci to paint me whatever I decide to paint me what was that what you're doing right now yourself as no finish finish I'm about to

what you're doing right now is a little bit of what white people do and what that is is saying that because a few people said oh a few people Banger a few people a few rappers a few rappers because rappers get the [ __ ] out of here did he just say only a few how many rappers are there cult how many how many rappers are there how many rappers have there been how many famous how many famous a doc doc you know we can do this all day I I'm not going to yell I'mma

wait for you to finish then I'm I'mma re ask my same question not being honest is insane you said out of 40 years a few rappers a fewers gangster a few no no I'm saying you can say all rappers were gangsters how many successful rappers were there were there more successful rappers than there are black men walking a regular everyday civilian life he went to how many were successful I don't successful according we not talking about the are we not talking about the public IM guess what are we not talking about the Public Image still

answer you still ain't give him no instit you I I said hip hop is the institution fine that's that's owned by white people no no the music business is owned by to to your institutions big companies that are run by black black men and women that hiop that hipop what's what's different what's all right let's redefine institution let's do that right there well relevant first of all it's all blackowned all black owned I'm not talking about the white man owning it and you in it and that makes it black no okay they own McDonald's you

being in McDonald's don't make McDonald's black okay now relevant institutions are schools Banks hospitals supermarkets manufacturing and distribution in 50 years have Hip Hop created any one of those anywhere in Black America for black people okay okay so so here's the thing yes or no first hold on so the answer is no question the answer no answer no listen the answer no I'm going to tell you the answer is no based on what he just asked you exactly right but that is that's him so now now let's move the gold post a little bit now

let's move the go post a little bit to help y'all out with your weak ass argument so they definitely didn't do none of the five relevance Now give me something else that circumstantially relevant I wasn't asking if all right I want to first off hiop don't matter is what you're saying hold on hold on so Dr Umar saying L it destroyed the whole image of black men and black women in 30 years it matters is a lot what other institution institutions so our compan institutions our media you don't want to hold the med hold on

I know it's just hold media companies institutions completely black own yes if they putting out positive media I will consider them positive media positive media is blackowned is a good institution I don't know who is it you got to tell me who you talking about first there's no one there's no he's putting you into a corner no one did he own the revolt and that wasn't according to him that's not positive because it cele it celebrated hip hop in it's natural so it's not positive it's not positive so that's why I'm telling you he's putting

and it was bad and he also walked you you walked yourself in that corner cuz then you said didy so that was crazy yeah I would I never mention I would have never said that at all does the Community Access revolt yes yes yes actually actually so the community can watch Revolt I didn't say can they consume Revolt I said can they access Revolt is that a community institution or is that a or is that an institution of certain privileged black people in the entertainment space Community don't benefit from Revolt [ __ ] is he

talking about more specific about the institutions once again no no cuz I was talking about CU here's institutions that benefit the community Revolt is not a community in institution it's a private corporation that has access and benefits the black people who are fortunate enough to be if you think if you think if you think it's not important I know you don't I know you don't I'm not disrespecting about saying that if you but if you think it's irrelevant that black people and underserved communities today can turn on the TV and see people that look like

them that come from where they come from on TV and doing things that's the same AR when Barack Obama became president remember that no everybody pres can see a black man with a black white the White House you know what I said I said if that's the case if Obama was such a good physical symbol for black kid why did High School Dropout grow up go up during Obama's residency black-on-black murder went up on well thing black on black murder you see I'm saying not a single positive statistic improved the outcomes for black males during

Barack win the argument you can't play Both Sides I I just see I just play one side no no no you we talk about black we talk about Pan African but you can't you can't you can't use white people virtue signals either you can't talk about black onblack violence goes up black on black violence is not real you're completely wrong just said you're completely wrong you're completely wrong I gave you an example of the [ __ ] example you was about to make you just said you listen you said they can see artists who look

like them on the TV talk about DRS and guns that's not what I said you added that you added that I didn't say you just said it was a good idea that's not what I because black boys can see black men on TV with their pants sagging in their Tims talking about fat ass blunts ja once again you playing playing virtues playing virtu signal games I you not say artists on TV I said did you not say artist I did not no you can run the tayback I said if you don't think it's a good

idea I said if you don't think it's a good idea that black kids in underserved communities can look on TV and media you know I know because you didn't let me finish and see black people I didn't say artists I didn't I didn't break it down to any specificity I said can look on there and see black talk about hiop right in hip-hop being a culture I'm talking about hip-hop not rap rap is a specific form of games we play that's the game see the games we play you guys are both moving I'm not moving

[ __ ] let me say it like this let me let me say it like this so he said rap not hip-hop let me give me the difference please give me the difference hip-hop is the overall culture which covers the five elements of hip-hop right familiar okay so we we know that right so now we know so when I say they can look on there and see black is Rap a part of hip-hop yes okay but that will not be the only thing they see on TV to this day and that is due in part

to hip-hop why because when the Five Element let finish which elements dominate hip hop is not rap the most popular when it when hip hop broke everybody talks about 1986 being the golden cuz you get rock Kim and you get everybody you get this new form of Storytelling rap from 1986 on when we get to the '90s when now hip-hop is more than just the music and the rap music now you're looking on TV you see black people from the hip-hop culture on TV actors uh you start seeing the the the VJ start to represent

you start seeing a media space start to represent what you're seeing in there that is all a part of hip-hop when you're looking on on when you're looking at that uh black explosion or of movies on and that's happening in theaters in the '90s that is all due in part to Hip Hop's explosion so no not just the rappers so no not just the rappers again no not just we are living in a world being dominated by mass incarceration miseducation gentrification police extermination and economic marginalization and you ain't told me [ __ ] yet that

hipop hiop has done in 50 [ __ ] your job bull that is your job you can't put onop talking [ __ ] all this money [ __ ] who want to defend that [ __ ] [ __ ] out of here man [ __ ] our kids out here dying [ __ ] rappers don't do nothing for us where the [ __ ] schools at man they Ain buil one [ __ ] school name me one school that protected somebody from dying name me a bulletproof school where school I just want to know where

a bulletproof school is the black boys is dropping where the schools at what how many black schools how many black schools in America how many black schools in America why you I'm asking you a question how many schools did the ra how many black schools standing Dr Umar how many black schools how many schools Dr Umar how many black schools are in America how many schools have rappers built um zero zero buil buil [ __ ] it up where how many I'm just really asking let me make some [ __ ] up me how many

black schools are in America today I know you know I know you because it's a direct answer to your question how many black okay I will I will take it I don't need let's take it out the way let's take it out the way let's take it out the way listen there I don't you don't plan on holding hip hop accountable for none of the problems it has introduced in the black community you keep saying that and that's a lie make an excuse whenever we talk about the role ganger rap has played we can talk

about the role we can talk about the RO but let's not let's not make the road bigger than what it is it is big I said let's not make it bigger than what it is black boys they don't that ain't hip-hop fatherless black boys ain't hip-hop stop doing that black people fatherless boys with there wasn't no hip-hop in the 70s that wasn't hip-hop so when [ __ ] started walking out on their families when when when men started walking out on their families it wasn't because of no that ain't it so stop doing that thank

you there was no one promoting there's no one prom hip hop glamorized that [ __ ] walking out on your kids sexual exploitation ain't that the same thing in the 70s in the went back to the 7s listen you listen yo yes or no I love you doc I lovec I love you like I need you know I need you know I hip hop glamorized sexual exploitation of black women glamorized popularized I'll say it popularized it yes yes yes the answer is yes no it's not don't answer for me my answer was it popularized glamorized

is different better go to law school your answer yes great what they call eat those listen the more subscribers we get the better the guests get so please hit subscribe and support this black own independent podcast all right see you in the show you do embody what we believe to be a hustler a positive Hustler let's say that I got and um you've been doing it for TW uh 14 years straight on the national nationally and globally 14 years straight and to be here still doing it um about to embark on your second Journey with

the schools opening up and you know that there's another Journey coming for you after that what keeps you still going this message is for all the entrepreneurs out there in Toronto myself people like me people like Alex just send a message out to those people um because you do embody that what do you say to them great great Point brother I like the way you brought that home you know Central to EPA cosmology and all African spirituality is this concept of positive and negative coexisting in order to bring about the the Fulfillment of Destiny so

when a woman is giving birth to a child the doctor tells her to push and then he tells her to contract right you don't get that baby without the positive push contract pull in Good and Evil light and dark the Opposites manifesting everything I'm saying all that to say for an entrepreneur that you're going to go through as many bad times as you go through good times the key is to be graceful and patient during the bad times because you understand the good times have to come there is no good without bad they both work

together for the Fulfillment of Destiny cuz sometimes people think that when they're going through bad things this is a sign for me to quit no it's not the universe can't give you the blessing unless it first gave you the struggle so you got to stick with it most black businesses will fail in three years because they didn't hang around for five years you see what I'm saying so you have to push through the difficulty to get to the promise that's that also for the entrepreneurs make sure you got a good marketing plan with black people

our only marketing plan is we're black that's not good enough you understand mouse got a restaurant right Iman got a tire shop you got a clinic you know he got a studio what was your marketing plan Dr Umar is so right your marketing plan is extremely important now do you want just anybody working for your business when it comes to your marketing no you want the top of the top and that brings us to our sponsor marketer hire marketer hire sources invests the top 1% of marketers for your business so you can be trusted and

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Dr Umar did you get Flyers out did you do Billboards did you do the radio did you go to events did you get with the politicians did you go to the churches did you speak anywhere no I just told everybody I was a black business you're not going to win just because you're black because a lot of black people are anti-black do your marketing research why would you open up a car shop down the street from another car shop why did you open up a studio across the street from another Studio why did you open

up a bakery across the street from another bakery that wasn't good marketing CH you got to do your marketing make sure you got a strong business plan financial plan because you're going to struggle the first three years how you going to get through the first three years when you got more losses than wins you got the plan for that okay and then your operation plan maybe you can't afford to be open seven days a week maybe you got to do five maybe you got to do two but make sure you do that marketing plan that

financial plan and that operations plan that's key and understand you're going to struggle before you win you're going to struggle before you wi but for me what keeps me going is the fact that I believe I was born to do the work that I do I've been in Black Consciousness since the fourth grade 9 years old meet Elementary School North Philly that was my introduction to public speaking and black Consciousness four blocks away from the Garvey Hall that I would join much later after I uh was close to graduating undergrad so I just believe my

steps was ordered because if my mother and father don't divorce and if we don't move back to North Philly where we lived at I don't go to that school I don't go to that school I don't get introduced to Black Consciousness I don't get introduced to public speaking if I don't go to that school I never find out that the Marcus Garvey Hall is right next door to the sneaker store my mother brought my sneaks at for the past 12 years so I believe for me the steps was already ordered you have to believe in

yourself you will not make it if you don't believe in yourself always believe in yourself people say how you keep going with all the criticism blah blah blah well first of all most of it is love okay the critics only a small part but I know that I'm supposed to do what I'm doing when lose a draw I'm going to the wheels fall off get free or Dodge rying amazing and thank you I want to just say thank you oh I enjoyed it I want to say thank you on camera for like the thing is

is that when you have personalities come through um they might not give you what you see there but you gave us exactly what we see online and we're from Canada we're from Toronto like and we're not The Breakfast Club we're not Joe Buton podcast but you gave us exactly what you gave them and I very much appreciate that oh for sure I go 100 no matter what I go 100 no matter what honly um it's like an audience sometimes you might go somewhere small town they got 25 people they be like Dr Umar we only

got 25 people I don't care I'm going to give them the same thing if it was a thousand you know what I'm saying because for me it's not a struggle it's a hustle it's not capitalism is activism got you so appreciate appreciate it man all right I'mma see y'all on Toronto in a few months most definitely H love everything y'all