Jordan Peterson Calmly Dismantles Two Feminists Live On TV

now one of our guests of the day the other one today is a man you may recognize or maybe you don't Jordan Peterson has achieved that rare feat becoming a global Superstar academic so how did he become so well known he first came to National prominence in Canada in 2016 in a debate about new laws on gender identity bill c16 made it an offense to refuse to call someone by their chosen gender pronoun Jordan Peterson argued that this would infringe Free Speech while some support of the bill said he was advocating Prejudice from there his

YouTube Star took off and he has now over 1 million subscribers and his videos where he talks everything from Identity politics which we've touched on to the Bible to Disney movies have been viewed over 150 million times gosh that's about the same number of viewers we have on this program H last year he supported ex gooogle employee James Dore who had been fired for suggesting men and women have different interests due to biological differences and his latest book 12 rules for life has taken him on a global tour promoting his ideas and just this week

he sold out the 1,000 CA Emanuel center around the corner here in Westminster um so Jordan you've done endless interviews you've been publicizing you've been publicizing your book and they've generated plenty of heated debate I actually sold out the Apollo it had 5,000 seats all right stop boasting um do you think though because of the heat that has been generated that your views have been misrepresented at times oh definitely but that's you know that's part and parcel of the process I did take a very um uh forceful stance let's say against some of the excesses

of the radical left Wingers and it's in their best interest to paint me as somehow a figure of the extreme right because then I don't have to be contended with but I mean it's easy for people's views to be oversimplified in a very large public debate I mean in terms of some of the issues I mean you say you've been uh painted as a as an extreme right winger some people have tried that very successfully but they've tried it and you came to prominence um in part over your opposition to this law that we just

talked about in Canada proposing the use of preferred pronouns for transgender people just for cl mandating them yeah right you should do it no that you had to do it right you had to do it by law but just for clarity do you think a transwoman is a real woman I don't really like the way those questions are formulated you know I don't know what that means what do you mean a real woman well I'm asking you in your mind you know it depends what you think a real woman is but do you think a

trans woman is a woman no why not because I think that women are capable generally speaking of having babies and they have female genitalia and they have an XX chromosome and and I think the biological markers are relevant doesn't necessarily mean that I don't think that people should be treated with respect and dignity if they happen not to fit easily into a gender category that's a different issue right but but it's a matter of definition and and I actually think it's a foolish argument in some sense because what do you mean by real well I

mean you've just clarified that though you you you don't think um that a transwoman is a woman and do you do you think that that is what is behind or explains your opposition to this idea of a law mandating you to use a preferred pronoun is because you don't actually believe that that's the truth that a transwoman is a woman and therefore you can't use that prr no that's not my argument at all yeah really my argument is that the government should compel voluntary speech AR no but I know what your argument is and it

very clearly exactly there's motivation behind motivation behind it but you don't believe put everything on my online in my life to take the stance I did unless I had thought that through very deeply and I've thought it through very deeply there aren't hidden motivations that have to do with some arbitrary prejudice against trans people it's purely pure and simply this there's never been a time in English common law history where the government compelled speech and the Canadian government dared to do that and that was unacceptable and they masked it with this show of of compassion

for the oppressed and I don't buy it right but you would as I think you've said at an individual level if somebody asked you if you know somebody asked you to use a particular pronoun you would do so well I have you have she asked him a question then refused to let him answer it until he took over the conversation and notice how when he explained his answer it went in one ear and out the other and instead of responding to his answer she made another assumption right fine let's talk about feminism are you a

feminist uh no not as it's currently defined certainly not no well in any other definition well I think that anybody who doesn't think that the the competitive landscape should be opened up for equality of opportunity is not thinking and so everyone interests are better served if people have as equal access to opportunity to display their talents and to manifest their talents in the world as possible so in that sense certainly but feminism now it's as far and this is why it's so deeply unpopular very small minority of women in the UK identify as feminists and

the reason for that is it's primarily become an ideological weapon and it's an ideology that I don't I I detest actually the ideology that it's associated with collectivist ideology right I mean okay and that's your view about feminism are you sure are you a feminist oh absolutely I'm a very proud uh feminist and when I was um a special advisor in government I worked on women and equality issues and I was very proud actually of a piece of legislation I got on the statute book with my former boss Harriet Haron the equality act uh in

2010 which strengthened our anti-discrimination um laws and I fought very hard to get more women into public life into the labor party and yeah yeah and yeah I'm very very proud of being the F hence my pink dress oh well all right um obviously reverting to type then the pink dress abely you would like men to regain or reclaim their strength physically mentally and morally is that broadly correct I would say morally fundamentally but I think the other things go along with that right and and if but it isn't men precisely who I'm Who I'm

speaking to it's it's people I'm a clinical psychologist I'm actually interested in individuals and I'm interested in their fortification against tragedy you know every time I do an interview the interview is always political it's always political well the clue is in the title of this program we are the daily no no fair enough no look fair enough fair enough and I'm I'm not casting aspersions at this program but the fundamental news that's important about what I'm doing isn't the political element and the people who talk to me don't talk politically they say they've watched my

lectures sorry is that I think for a lot of people the kind of personal does become the the the the the political political becomes the person yeah and I think in terms of the in this situation a lot of people are wrong because primarily what's happening is people are watching my lectures and as a consequence their lives are improving dramatically well I'm sure I'm sure they are I'm sure people are like have had a huge conversion after and they're much happier a conversion what I would like to do is is kind of almost I think

at the moment the discussion about feminism is very divisive and it sometimes it can sort of be like okay men have to lose and women have to gain actually everybody has a lot to gain by greater equality now whether you get the equality of outcome that you want I think only time will 10 but certainly equality of opportunity is is very important and actually a lot and a lot of men would would benefit from that so I think a lot of men men are having a lot of crisis at the moment in terms of mental

health suicide issues and their own sense of identity because I think some of the stereotypes put on men are quite limiting for them as well I think they make men quite unhappy as well the devil's in the details with regards to equality because I'm an advocate of equality of opportunity but the idea outcomes that's an appalling Doctrine why why all right hang because you have to produce an unbelievably potent Bure bureaucracy to make the ever greater and ever finer distinctions that are necessary to enforce equality of outcome how many group differences are you going to

equalize across is it just gender and sex how many genders gender and ethnicity how many genders how many ethnicities how many races we let I sh answer I think what what people are trying to do with and certainly as somebody who you know has looked to do sort to sort of do this myself I think you set yourself Ambitions for for what you would like to see and then you try and remove as many of the the structural barriers and obstacles so you try and create that you know Fair crack of the Whip and that

equality of opportunity to see where you get to with the outcomes now we are in very early stages it's only hundred years since you know women got the votes in this country you know we have had a long established patriarchal society and set up for for a long time in the world in this country so I think we have a long way to go to see where it plays out there is no country in the world where you know we really do have gender equality um properly yet in terms of real decision- making and and

real some of the Scandinavian countries maybe I they're still not quite there and I think you've spoken a lot about there scandin there's still a way to go in Scandinavia things are not perfect Scandinavia I hav spoken about that specifically I've spoken about people about the right stuff yesterday you talked about the SC about the fact that you see one of the things that's happened in the analysis of the differences between men and women is that the social constructionist claim is that the differences are socially constructed right is that it's a consequence of environment that

men and women differ but what the scientific literature indicates is that as cultures become more egalitarian like they have in Scandinavia the differences between men and women actually increase rather than decreasing which is a direct repost to the social constructionist view so they just deny all that the biggest differences in the world in interest and temperament are between Scandinavian men and women it's exactly the opposite of what everyone predict equality of opportunity is the measure of how equal our chances of success are whereas the equality of outcome is just measuring the results of a situation

to break that into simpler terms or let's say that you have an organization that's looking to hire if they're hiring with the mindset of equality of opportunity that means that they're trying to find a diverse set of applicants thereby giving everyone a chance at the job however if they're hiring with the mindset of equality of outcome regardless of how well the applicants do they're just trying to meet a quota which will lead to unqualified people getting positions they shouldn't have gotten if you enjoyed this video I promise you'll enjoy this next video I will will

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