Billionaire Naveen Jain Reveals How AI Will Change Medicine Forever | EP #121

the two biggest changes that are going to happen in humanity because of AI is going to be in education and healthare us life expectancy has dropped to 76 years 42% of American adults are considered obese 60% of American adults have at least one chronic disease what in the world is going on the underlying cause of whether you're looking at diabetes obesity uh heart disease and you know depression or anxiety it is really is a lot of chronic inflammation in the body the work you've been doing both in moonshots and in healthcare uh as the founder

CEO of biome is amazing there is no such thing as universal healthy food it is simply good for you right now or bad for you right now we have collected over 100 quadrillion biological data and then applying AI to it to understand exactly what is causing inflammation in your body everybody Welcome to moonshots Peter D mandis here today I've got an extraordinary guest naven Jane he is the founder of viome a company in the AI and biotech space he's a dear friend he's on my board at the ex prise Foundation Singularity University early his career

he started a $40 billion company called infospace and since then he's given birth to three extraordinary kids one is reached billionaire status the other two are on their way there during this episode we're going to talk about the inter section of AI and health we'll also talk about how to raise extraordinary kids for the exponential World ahead if you enjoy conversations like this if you want me to bring my personal conversations to you like we do today please subscribe uh love to know that you're watching and listening and enjoying it all right now on to

the episode with naven Jane hey naven good to see you my friend Peter is always such a pleas to see you you know that yeah I do but you know I've got to start this conversation by saying I turn my back I close my eyes for a micr second and your son Encore is on like the Billionaire's list and he's being married under the pyramids in Egypt I mean that's pretty awesome uh you know I I mentored him what 15 years ago and the transformation must be mostly all you because what he's done is amazing

so you must be extraordinarily proud well first of off Peter as you know to me the biggest joys of my life comes watching these children growing up in the I know in a great family but more often than not really learning from you about taking on the audacious challenges and going out and you know implementing them so it's just not that Anor who's doing it in audacious idea that he took on and our daughter as you know Priyanka and she's running on a women's she running a women's health company and Neil I mean you know

he just not only a schwarzman scholar he just went on to take on another challenge and and you know for you and I nurturing young people for them to find their moonshots and help them Implement their Moon shots because if anyone of our children or anyone else that we talk to succeed the humanity is better off so it doesn't matter whether it's our children your children or someone else's children they just benefit Humanity so I want to come back to this towards the end of our of our moonshot conversation to talk about how do you

raise moonshot kids cuz you've done an amazing job Min are 13 but before we jump to that before we jump to our main course of healthcare and AI uh what was it like being under the pyramids for that wedding I've never been to the pyramids that's on my next you know Adventure list must have been really cool how you arrange to have a pyramid wedding is that like super hard well I think first of all you know it's one of those type of things that you have to want to do it and as a young

kid Uncle went to uh Egypt and he just fell in love with the idea of these great structures that were built you know 5,000 7,000 years ago and being married right under the SP so they built the custom built structure but you know to me honestly all these things are amazing and then you know him having an audacious idea of wedding but to me you know fact that he's willing to take do what it takes and actually make get it done is something that every child should learn and we're going to get back to it

so let's talk about health care and AI for a second and we'll get back to Parenting because there are a lot of things about parenting I really think is very counterintuitive uh which is unconventional way of looking at parenting because most people when they do talk about their children they think they're trying to do what's right for them at the end of the day it turns out to be extremely selfish thing to do at the cost of our actually children growing up to be amazing human beings all right if you're a parent listening to this

we're going to come back back to this conversation cuz I'm a parent and I want to hear and learn from you buddy so uh let's jump in you know naen uh the work you've been doing both in moonshots and in healthc care uh as the founder CEO of ioms amazing and I've often said this you know you deserve a medical degree um and the amount of knowledge you've soaked up is extraordinary let me set the table here and and give some of the numbers for folks on how really I don't want to say bad I

want say awful the US Health care system is and the challenges that we have so here are the numbers you know I talk about longevity esape velocity and you know blowing through 100 but the reality is today us life expectancy has dropped to 76 years um and it's the lowest since 1996 so it's been going down I think we're going to have some incredible breakthroughs that will you know drive us towards levia escape velocity uh US US Health spend is 18% of the GDP P highest ever obesity rates right I mean listen I was in

Europe and I'm sorry everyone who was obese there on the average was you could bet they were an American you know 42% of American adults are considered obese it's increased almost 300% in the last 30 years and that's driven incredible numbers in diabetes right 34 million Americans increased uh or have diabetes Now um it's 10% of of the US population 320% increase in 30 years here's a few more 60% of American adults have at least one chronic disease and 40% have two chronic diseases and then one in five Americans describe having mental illness um last

two numbers the Bloomberg Health efficiency index uh the US ranked 55 out of 57 countries of valuated I mean it's incredible for 18% of our GDP and then the legatum prosperity index ranked us 68th out of 167 countries what in the world is going on well first of all Peter I mean chronic diseases is a epidemic that we have to start to solve you know most 90% plus of our Healthcare dollars are spent on chronic diseases yeah fortunately the chronic diseases are something that we do have a control over as Humanity unlike genetic diseases something

you're born with we really don't have much control and this idea of not taking personal responsibility for our own set of chronic diseases is really what's driving humanity and especially the people in the west the another problem that I see is that our medical industrial complex in United States everyone in the system makes money when you and I are sick and no one makes money when we are healthy and I'm not suggesting that these people are evil people but the incentives are completely misaligned they you know whether it is your doctor whether it's a hospital

or even your pharmaceutical company or your insurance company no one really has any incentive to keep you healthy it's a perverse system yeah it's a perverse system and I really think what you doing Peter at Fountain health or you know idea a fountain life is really the right way of doing it is where you say look you sign up for a system where you pay a fixed monthly fee and our goal is to keep you healthy because when you are sick you create more work for us so incentives are extremely well aligned to say if

I keep you healthy I get paid and you we have less work to do but when you are sick you're still paying me the same thing but now I have so much work to do so you're essentially aligning the incentive of the medical care with the person who is actually being cared for that is what's lacking in our current medical industrial complex the second is you know people have to take personal responsibility for their action people somehow have been made to believe when they get sick it's a bad luck it is something about something they

born with and yes there is five 10% of the the diseases that have a genetic implications but 85% to 90% of the things are actually something that we can control through our lifestyle and once we understand that we actually have control over them we can do something about them and that's the reason at Fountain life as you see when you get people the information you tell them exactly the kind of changes they need to make they see the results we see the same thing exactly at wome we show people what is going on we tell

them what to do about it and we see the results coming back and saying People's Health has actually improved and I think Peter one of the things that you and I would agree on is that chronic inflammation is a root cause of chronic diseases right we tend to name them and we think if we can name them we can tame them because that's really good for insurance we have all these different diseases but the fact is the underlying cause of whether you're looking at diabetes obesity uh heart disease and you know depression or anxiety it

is really is a lot of chronic inflammation in the body and many of these things can actually be cured through a better lifestyle whether it's a nutrition meditation a relaxation exercise better sleep finding a true purpose in life I mean these are the kind of things I love you for that buddy I love you for it you're you're absolutely right in inflam inflammatory processes that are important inflammation is an important part of healing in different stages of of of wounds but yeah it is um it is causing uh this extraordinary you know both on the

cardiac on the on the on the on the digestive on your cognitive side of the equation I've said you know listen one example is sugar is a inflammatory agent and and causes chronic disease um one of the things that I love about what you've done at viome is you brought science and data to what I should and should not eat so when I get my viome results and I I actually look at them to decide you know which vegetables are best for me given my gut microbiome you know which meats are best for me and

you know all of those things otherwise you're just you're going blind and the thing that what we have to realize is not not every not every food is best for for you there are and it and it changes over time depending upon what your gut is like so talk one second a little bit about your discovery of this and and how you think about you've been you've been a vegetarian all your life right and I've I've gone through uh keto vegan uh medit terranean and I've settled in on a Mediterranean diet but talk to me

about uh you know your thoughts on on food because I do believe a lot of those Health Care disasters in the US are are fundamentally secondary to what people eat what people put in their bodies absolutely and P I mean what people forget is that our human body is essentially is a electrical biochemical body what we put into our body is actually being Changed by a chemical Factory called a gut microbiome and oral microbiome so essentially your oral microbiome is pre-processing the food sending the signals to the uh brain and that in turn is actually

now getting ready for what is coming and a gut microbiome the 100 100 trillion of these microbes are actually processing the food releasing bunch of biochemicals right so imagine that we as humans less than 1% of all the genes that are expressed in our body come from our mom and dad 99 % come from all these microbes and in some sense we it's not about them and us we are a walking talking ecosystem and we have to start to think about we as one symbiotic uh super organism and this super organism what we put in

actually matters because based on what we eat our microbes are actually processing them metabolizing them and releasing the metabolite or call them a mro poop if you want to call them in simple words that is what gets absorbed in our blood and in interaction between our food are what microbes are producing and our immune system is really to key to understanding why we have immune diseases right so let's start from very simple fact our human body is like a donut there is a tube that goes through us on top of the tube we have our

and by the way there everything is sealed so our body is all around that tube tube and the tube is nicely supposed to be sealed 70% of our immune system is along our gut lining because this is really where the external environment meets the inner body so what's happening really is the food when it comes in our oral microbiome starts to pre-process the food and when it sees as you mentioned something like sugar it starts to say oh something sweet is coming it sends a signal for pancreas to start releasing insulin and now the body

is ready for sugar now the second part that happens is when you eat something sweet it's not sugar in itself but sugar gets metabolized by your oral microbiome and it in fact changes the acidity of your mouth right so now changing the acidity is what causes your tooth decay so it's not the sugar in itself that causes the tooth decay it is the microbes that process sugar releasing the a acid that causes that tooth decay right similarly when you have that you know inflammation in your gum suddenly your barrier to the body is broken and

now you have the microbes now they are able when you have a gum inflammation now microbes are going into the blood now you have a chronic inflammation because of that and same thing happens in the gut when you have a leaky gut your microbes are now able to go past the barrier that's supposed to keep them inside check is going into the blood causing chronic inflammation now the foods that we eat can actually cause inflammation So based on how the food is actually being metabolized so this idea that Peter you mentioned what we learned is

there is no such thing as universal healthy food there is no such thing if food is good for you or bad for you it is simply good for you right now or bad for you right now and something that is good for you doesn't mean it's going to be good for your wife or your friend so when you hear someone saying hey I am eating avocado and I'm really benefiting from it doesn't mean if avocado is a super food for you so based on your uric acid production because your avocado in increases your uric acid

production so if your uric acid production is already too high the last thing you want to do is to eat a avocado because that's going to cause doubt same thing happens with broccoli so it's not the broccoli is bad or good if you have high sulfide production then you shouldn't be eating broccoli because it increases the sulfide that is inflammatory and by the way now I'm not I'm a vegetarian but I'm not against eating meat so red meat contains Coline and carnitin and when that gets processed by your microbes they actually can convert that into

TMA trimethylamine which actually gets absorbed in the blood and you liver converts them into tmao trimethyl Amin oxide that is what causes the disease so if your microbes are not producing enough TMA you should eat red meat it have lot of nutrition in your body so it's not the red meat that's good or bad it is good or bad based on are you producing a lot of TMA or not enough TMA right so yeah so buddy I I think this is this is you know critically important for folks to realize it's you know when I

do I don't want to I don't want to over over stress on viome but it's the only product I know right now that gives me feedback on which given the AI systems that you've built which foods are appropriate given my oral and gut microbiome and it changes over time right so I've gotten a incredible uh increased respect for oral health and gut health because at the end of the day um it can make you a break you and I had a tooth infection um secondary I go into it but that drove me to have to

do an antibiotic course I tried to avoid the antibiotics um but at the end of the day antibiotics are what allowed us to double our lifespan in the last 40 years or 50 and I ended up taking it and it changed my microbiome and I have to you know check again and make sure that I am properly repopulating my microbiome so how often does it all change how often how quickly do you see different you know uh food recommendations coming out of the uh of the system so it's very interesting Peter we actually uh looked

at the people doing the test every day every week every month and we saw that actually your microbes change in 4 to 6 months and that's the reason we tell people to retest every four to 6 months because the food that used to be good for you may no longer be good for you because your microbes have completely changed because you travel you're taking antibiotics course and food that you're eating so when you're traveling you're eating a very different types of the food and over time the these things all have an impact are you spending

enough time in in the forest near the you know trees because all the trees all the stuff that we are around all if we're breathing living breathing and is changing our microbiome constantly and then we can in fact look at this stuff and we can talk a little bit more about that in terms of longevity what have we found so Peter one of the interesting that you mentioned in the beginning is that it is a massive amount of data that we have collected that allowing us to constantly actually change our recommendation um we have now

analyzed quarter close to one million samples we have collected over 100 quadrillion biological data point right and then applying AI to it to understand exactly what is causing inflammation in your body so what we do is we analyze your oral microbiome through saliva we analyze your gut microbiome through stool and then we take a fingerprick blood and in the blood we looking at all of your cellular health and that means we looking at all of your interl lucans which are cyto kindes to see what are the actually pro-inflammatory biomarkers what are the anti-inflammatory biomarkers we

looking at all of the gene expression from your mitochondria and most people forget that mitochondria has its own genes right so in a sense understanding how your mitochondria is actually being impacted by the foods we eat how are inflam is being impacted by the things we are doing and then taking all of that into account then we come back with the recommendations but I don't want to focus on Vol I want to just simply focus on human body and the human health as such so let's talk about I want to dive in I've listed Seven

Ways that I think AI is going to reinvent Healthcare let me let me list these off and then I want to talk to you about them right so the first is I think we're all going to have an AI health coach that is some version of Jarvis that is you know monitoring our body 24/7 it's listening to our voice the tenor of our cough how we type and walk um it if you have augmented reality glasses it's looking at the food you're eating and that health coach is going to suggest to you eat This Not

That it's going to suggest to you youve got 30 minutes open in your calendar it's 75° and sunny outside go out for a walk it will say instead of taking the escalators there's staircase around the corner take the stairs so I think we're going to see health coaches coming online um and you can turn it off if it's annoying for you but that's one area the second is these health coaches are going to be then connected to your wearables and implantables so I've got a you know uh I'm wearing a continuous glucose monitor I've got

my a ring my Apple watch but you know uh bold Capital my fund which which you know isn't all full disclosure and investor in viome um you know we've invested a number of wearables and implantable devices and I think these are going to give you continuous uh right now you go for a full body upload in Fountain once a year and then quarterly testing but this is going to be continuous testing measuring what's going on ultimately I imagine that what's going on in your blood biochemistry is going to be delivered to your robot Chef in

the kitchen that will prepare the food that you need in that moment versus that you think you need in that moment um I think we're going to see and you're doing this right now uh you know AI analyzing the you know the billions as you've done quadrillions of biomarker data points uh there's no way any human can do that y um one of my favorite ones is uh we've seen at Deep Mind Alpha fold 3 an AI model that can model the inter action of all molecules of life like this protein this carbo you know

carbohydrate this RNA molecule how do they interact with each other and where that's going to go is an AI model that is modeling your cell for your DNA the billion chemical reactions per second we're going to see AI uh doing image analysis on our you know MRIs and x-rays and CTS right and then customized meds and supp again something viome is doing in part right now but I want to know there is a very best set of meds and supplements for me given my genetics given my blood biomarkers given my objectives given how many pills

and will take per day so I want an AI model it's going to give me that very specific formulation and then the final thing I listed here was uh robot surgeons I think that the best surgeons in the world eventually will be robots driven by AI models uh that demonetize and democratize access to medicine so that's my list um uh talk to me what your thoughts are Ai and and Healthcare well first of all I think one big one that you missed out that I think we all both know it's going to happen it may

not be now but in 10 years or 15 from now 15 years from now it's going to be Nanobots and so essentially a lot of the information that is going to come from inside the body communicating with outside they're going to be repair ing our own organs they're going to be constantly supplying the nutrients where it's needed so as opposed to Simply relying on our primitive blood system to figure out to make sure that things are going where they need to go we actually can have now intelligent Nanobots that are going to take the nutrients

taking it to the right place where it is needed taking the stem cells in the right place to repair the right organ so all of that is going to happen but let's in the near future we have the data that we need and yes it is proba not as easy and not as continuous but the fact things like what Fountain life is doing is to getting that information today and yes it is crude yes we have to actually puncture our vein to draw the blood and someday our kids and grand kids are look at this

stuff and say how cruel that you were actually breaking your way to draw the blood how good it's like having the leeches right in your body how could you possibly could have done that how primitive of you guys to be doing it but until then the fact that we are able to take these samples from our body analyze them regularly whether it's every 3 months 4 months or 6 months getting that data using the massive amount of AI and personalizing everything for each individual whether it is a nutrition and nutrition means all the supplements and

everything as Peter you mentioned today we are the only company that looks at the stuff at biome tells you you need 22 mgram of amilies you need 79 MGR of Elderberry you need 27 mgram of lopin and we actually make that powder only with those ingredients in that dosage and put them in a capsule and ship it to you every single month and as your body changes we change the whole nutrition profile for you right you know I put out a Blog recently uh naine that I'm doing 75 pills a day uh I've been measuring

everything uh the experiment I'm going to run and I'll just date it on here is I'm at I have my next Fountain life upload at the end of this month and I'll take all of my data in and what I'm going to do right after that upload is I'm going to stop the supplements I'm currently taking and I'm going to I'm going to take the viome supplements and uh and see how that impacts me you know the only way we can do this is run these experiments and so I'm going to run that experiment and

see from a I mean I feel in amazing shape and I feel cognitive alert but you know maybe I can feel better but I'm also and that's the thing Peter we don't know what better is until we get there so as you know we used to do supplements and we used to do these you know these biotics and we had this my personalized supplement and now you may or may not realize we actually just launched for your oral health your aut loes so please send me that I I'm like and yeah and here's the best

one yeah personalized toothpaste for you okay am and p.m morning and afternoon listen uh my morning Health routine you know and I published a Blog on that you know what my morning routine is like uh it's I have gained so much uh respect for oral health because it drives cognitive health and cardiac health uh in such a powerful fashion so and the cancer by the way cancer and many other including pre-term birth and many other diseases that are driven by Oral poor oral so I'm going to run my n of one experiment here um now

you got you got you've got you've got experiments going on with hundreds of thousands of people who are your customers but I'm going to do that I'm publicly announcing that and it's just I need to know and then I'll you know I'll still keep on the meds I'm on you know I'm still takiz soet this is a single use AM and PM right so if you can see here in the morning a.m. it is designed to remove the plaque on contact and in the evening one it completely repopulates and readjusts your a microbiome so I

think you're going to absolutely enjoy this just got launched last week by the way all right I'll send you my address you have my address yeah of course I do so Peter coming back to it in the AI so AI is going to be the biggest breakthrough for the I if I were to guess the two biggest changes that are going to happen in humanity because of AI is going to be in education and Healthcare so education is going to comp completely change the way we have ever looked at education for the first time we

have a shot at making the education personalized to each individual how they learn and really making it very immersive and making it as challenging and really using AI as a tutor rather than simply to give you the answer to actually challenge you how to think about a problem right so that is one like your like your grandmother used to do exactly and we'll talk about that we'll talk about that later in healthcare I think is you know I think both of these systems education Healthcare are so massively broken um the amount of so massively obsolete

they are really not broken but they obsolete for sure they're doing what they were designed to do in a sense that our education system was designed for industrial ages where they were supposed to teach skills and the skills could be used for rest of your life and now we living in the times where whatever you learn becomes obsolete so the idea of learning to learn the our needs today are very different than the needs of 50 years ago right and that's a fundamentally thing is our Health Care system was designed when we were dying from

infectious diseases and acute care and our Healthcare System delivers that really well if you have a acute condition that is really what's designed for it's not designed for these chronic conditions and let and let's not let's not un let's not um forget the fact that uh we made incredible progress but I'm still the the health care per unit Dollar in the United States is failing yes right um absolutely and it's just the bureaucracy I mean I went went through medical school and I exit I opted out of medicine uh and I'm so happy I did

because it's it's all paperwork and insurance and it's just uh it's a it's a Baro system so much in Peter think about it we as a company paying for every employee $1,000 a month would't that be better to give a $1,000 a month for a a system like Fountain life where you pay $1,000 a month and someone is out there to take care of you to make sure you don't fall sick rather, per month you know and to wait until you get sick and when I go to a doctor and if I tell them I'm

pre-diabetes they look at me it's like and what's the problem wait until you have diabetes and come talk to no no their their answer is take these drugs well that you're lucky if you're lucky because they say you're not diabetes you're not diabetic yet so wait until before I can give you a drug oh my God yeah it's like it's like okay you've got the chronic disease we're not going to try and cure the chronic disease we're just going to like reduce the symptoms of the chronic disease it's still going to be there you're still

going to get it sicker and sicker and all the secondary and tertiary effects are still going to happen yeah it's it's insane and it is a shame Peter that we manage these diseases and we take humans like a credit card machine that anytime somebody has a chronic disease you have a lifetime subscriber and so you don't let them die because their credit card stops working and you don't let them live because they don't pay you anything Ching everybody I want to take a short break from our episode to talk about a company that's very important

to me and could actually save your life or the life of someone that you love company is called Fountain life and it's a company I started years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented Physicians you know most of us don't actually know what's going on inside our body we're all Optimus until that day when you have a pain in your side you go to the physician or the emergency room and they say listen I'm sorry to tell you this but you have this stage three or four going on and you know it

didn't start that morning it probably was a problem that's been going on for some time but because we never look we don't find out so what we built at Fountain life was the world's most advanced diagnostic Centers we have four across the us today and we're building 20 around around the world these centers give you a full body MRI a brain a brain vasculature an AI enabled coronary CT looking for soft plaque dexa scan a Grail blood cancer test a full executive blood workup it's the most advanced workup you'll ever receive 150 gigabyt of data

that then go to our AIS and our physicians to find any disease at the very beginning when it's solvable you're going to find out eventually you might as well find out when you can take action Fountain life also has an entire side of Therapeutics we look around the world for the most Advanced Therapeutics that can add 1020 healthy years to your life and we provide them to you at our centers so if this is of interest to you please go and check it out go to Fountain life.com Peter when Tony and I wrote Our New

York Times bestseller life force we had 30,000 people reached out to us for fountainlife memberships if you go to Fountain life.com back/ Peter will put you to the top of the list really it's something that is um for me one of the most important things I offer my entire family the CEOs of my companies my friends it's a chance to really add decades onto our healthy lifespans go to fountainlife decomp it's one of the most important things I can offer to you as one of my listeners all right let's go back to our episode so

I I'm going to run down these uh these AI Healthcare interactions so uh a 247 health coach right so uh advising you it's like if you I mean listen multimodal AI is here you know we're seeing Claude 3.5 we're seeing uh you know GPT 40 Gemini all those doing really well but what's coming next is going to be the ability for if you want to turn on an an AI Health Coast agent that is just like listen I want to live the healthiest I can do please give me subtle reminders yep please you know give

me more brutal reminders and because so many times like I now take my zoom board meetings on my techno gym bike that's right over here right versus sitting on my butt like I'm doing at this moment you know sitting is than you smoking so what do you think about you know Healthcare AI agent coaches absolutely 100% so I mean this is really where the world is headed where your AI agent is actually going to be not only monitoring eventually everything about you so when you go to toilet you'll have a smart toilet analyzing your stool

analyzing your urine your tiles are going to be analyzing your weight your persperation it knows how you're walking your you know home device you're going to be analyzing your uh voice so all the data is going to go to your AI agent including your fridge and including when you are at a restaurant to say hey now that you're at this restaurant here is the best meal that you should order that fits in with your wome results if you are ordering the food here is the restaurant that you can order it from or here is a

kit that you can get and you can cook it at home if you want to do that right so or ordering the food from Amazon it based on what you what you need uh here is a recipe here's a stuff that you can actually throw in into the microwave that will actually put the things and cook it for you right so right now right now it's a bunch of work it's I'm guessing it's you know within 3 years will be fully there right maybe it's even 2 years but there is an optimized you know you

can dial I want taste over health I want ease or cost over health I want health over everything and there's an there is an optimization function which an AI can do for you and I I describe this as an automagical life where it's automatic and it feels magical for you and I think Peter that is going to I think you're absolutely right a lot of the pieces are starting to come together already now but they not integrated in the next 18 months to 24 months these pieces are going to get integrated into one single agent

that is going to be your health agent and it's going to tell you what you need and it's going to cazo you it's going to you know sometime motivate you and sometime actually CS you into doing things and say no Peter you really shouldn't because remember your inflammation numbers are so high you're going to get sick you won't be able to do what you're doing if you keep doing this and you don't know honestly very few of us actually know what's going on inside our bodies we're all optimists right and you're all you're doing what

feels good in the moment and hoping it's good for you you know I just got back from India uh theine uh your Homeland it was it was an amazing trip right I was in Bangalore for two days and in Delhi for two days in Mumbai for two days and met with some I had a chance to meet with rata um who's been a friend of ours on our board at ex prise and and and Chandra the CEO now of Tata group Cas and all that and it's clear to me that AI it's for you know

it's a nation of 1.4 billion people average income per person $2,400 right compared to us at 50,000 China $88,500 the only way India thrives and India has so much potential is AI Absolut focus on Healthcare and education right so Peter one of the interesting thing about India and I really think this may be the biggest advantage that India has so remember India has a better mobile system uh cellular system than we have in using and you know you know why because we had for so long the Wireline system and we there was so much baggage

that we had so people who did not have Wireline system completely jumped into the ACT LTE so they were there first ones to implement the system that we didn't have in us and same thing is going to happen by the way there the education system is now going to be completely driven by AI because there's so much need for it and there's not as much baggage because Harvard and stanfords of the world are not going to let that happen right same thing is going to happen in healthcare there's 1.4 billion people who need healthare and

the health they don't have a medical industrial complex they have a national Healthcare System and that means they will be able to implement Healthcare using AI for everyone and they're going to in fact have so much data that they're going to surpass us and someday we're going to go to India or use the technology developed in India to actually help us in us because so difficult to do I agree with you Gio which is their 5G Network that that mukes Amani built and by the way I'm really happy mukes has agreed to come on the

moonshots podcast and talk about his amazing human being by aming incredible I mean they were the 14th mobile phone company to enter India and now they the dominant player and and much better Self Service than the United States crazy crazy crazy anyway um I think we are the beautiful thing about healthc care and AI is breakthroughs that are valid in India are valid in the Bronx and valid in Detroit um because we all have the same the same biology and we're going to just the same way that Google is the for Larry P's kids and

the poorest child in India AI driven Health Care Systems which are democratized and demonitized will be equally valid so excited and that's very interesting is Peter that you know our genetics may be different even our microbiome people in India may be different than in us but what we learned Peter this is something that I never shared with you we did the study in Japan and us and what we saw was they had very different genetics and they also had a very different microbiome but the functionality of microbiome that RNA that microbiomes were producing to produce

the functions to stay healthy were same there was 90% similarity in the functions that they were providing and less than 10% similarity in fact in the organism or the composition of the microbiome so I'm one of the things I'm tracking right now is uh the data acquisition Tech so wearables right so I've got my my levels CGM on my my AA ring my Apple watch but there are companies that I've been investing in through bold that are you know subdermal long-term that can measure a number of different uh of molecules and I think we're going

to get to a point where we're monitoring our biochemistry 24/7 y right um what are you what are you tracking and seeing in that area so I think Peter there a lot of companies that trying to build these uh array that can monitor 10 20 30 50 100 things in a single uh single Eliza essay and that is really the kind of thing you need to do then now you just need to miniaturize that enough to be able to actually put them on skin to be able to get you know just a serum or a

fluid to be able to analyze everything it is going to happen but I suspect given in us the FDA anytime you have to do anything in US it takes so long so my suspicion is unfortunately many of these tax will come out of India and other countries because it's so much easier to implement and test these ideas and US makes it extremely difficult to test these ideas no I I I hear you um and and hopefully you'll be able to travel to where you need to to get the uh get the technology um you travel

to Costa Rica and other places to get stem cells because we know it is something works but in us it is is so difficult to get approval to do anything and people have especially people members of Fountain life you take them to the places where they can actually benefit from it you know uh once you've got the data once you have uh all of these systems reporting into your health AI right which is monitoring you 24/7 it's got all of your all of your data and it's constantly Gathering uh Health Data um its ability to

analyze billion of dat billions of data points per day from you and then flag red flags of uh you know need to get you to do these greater tests so I think that's here now it's just we do it episodically right we do it with a viome test every 3 months or Fountain life upload on on a quarterly basis um but it's going to become continuous and I think that's when and and I think one of the things is going to happen is where we can really impact the US Health Care system is when it's

cheaper for me as an employe as an employer to make sure that I give you these uh wearables and implantables for free and turn on your health AI because given that I can find disease at Inception and prevent you from getting sick and optimize your health because a healthier employee uh employee for me is a better employee um so Peter we do that for our employees we give them 75% discount we don't give them 100% the reason is because we want people to actually take some responsibility otherwise people just don't get for free you don't

value it yeah that's right so we give them 75% discount on everything that V does the test every time you want to do a test every three months all the supplements your you know toothpaste everything right our goal really is that it's not a cost because we absolutely believe it's going to reduce our insurance cost right so we are now doing it for whole bunch of other employers where we say look by off offering it you're actually going to reduce your insurance cost and make people more productive less less absentismo less anxiety and we published

these data I think Peter I shared with you in the last time I think especially in that one of the emails that when we published the data that by simply doing these test and taking these personalized nutrition your IBS symptoms were down by 48% your depression down by 47% anxiety clinical score by 42% % diabetes hba1c down by 30% these are the kind of results from food and supplements I mean these are mindboggling results right and there's I mean listen there's going to be a mental component too that if I'm taking care of myself I

think better of myself all of this is is self supportive and I'll you know I'll quote a study I wrote about in my L my last longevity book which was uh that optimists live 15% longer right so if you're op optimistic about your health if you're optimistic about the world uh it puts you into a very positive feedback loop and there is very much a Mind Body Connection there Peter so I think I'm going to just uh give you a little bit on what we actually found there were five things we found that people need

to stay longer and healthier number one we have I think I discussed nutrition because without the proper fuel in the body nothing matters right so that's the number one thing is to make sure you have a proper fuel in the body the second thing is reducing stress right so thing is when you are stressed your body goes into fight or flight response and unfortunately the way we evolve when you're in fight or flight response is because we were being chased by the tiger right so that means your body shuts down what it consided non-essential things

such as your digestive system yeah can I can I add a couple points here because it's really important yeah number one just a a small don't eat your dinner while watching the evening news okay just just don't do it you know I Helen Messier who you know well and I do who's worked for both of us um you know she says vitamin o take some deep breaths meditative put yourself into rest and digest mode your parasympathetic nervous system this is why people do thankfulness or prayers the beginning of a meal right so slow it down

rest and digest the the second thing is we've got a lot of entrepreneurs who are watching the moonshots podcast here and uh just uh one of the things I was just hearing Jeff baso speak about this that um uh that if you are stressed it's typically because you have something going on that you're not taking action about and it's your your stress is a result of you know it's there you know you're going to have to do something but as soon as you take even an action of of acknowledging it to the other person or

setting a phone call or doing something that's going to move you towards solution it will functionally reduce your stress levels it's that you know it's there you're not do anything about it that's causing stress so if you're stressed about something make your list take some actions and and move it forward well I think Peter I would say I describe anytime there are problems I describe them there are two types of problems the problems that you have a control over and the problems you have absolutely no control over right so hurricane is going to come I

can be stressed all I want there's nothing I can do about it right so the point is when you don't have a control over something to me I go back to my Eastern philosophy it is what it is and it will be what will be and I really at that point I say I'm comfortable with whatever the outcome is I'm going to do the best I can if the things are on my control I do everything I possibly can and then it is what it is and it will be what will be right so that

to me is the main thing is is to never really worry about things that you have no control over and the things you do have a control over as you say take some some action because the minute you take action now you're moving towards a solution that you have a control over right all right you were listing five things we got third was Peter that is exercise and again I think this is something that only two in exercise people have this idea you have to spend seven8 hours 4 hours in the gym that is wrong

what you have to do is get body to move and do some muscle strength right so as we are aging making sure we doing some strength training at least two to three times a week and but making sure you're doing a fast walk at least four 5 miles every single day and that's really is in terms of exercise it is making sure you move you're not sitting as I think Peter you say sitting is new smoking move even if nothing else get on the damn treadmill at 2 miles an hour just keep moving get your

lymphatic system working get your body to start getting the oxygen going right yeah you know on the exercise front just you know I've shifted uh I used to do a really intensive uh hour three times a week I've shifted it now to uh probably what's 40 minutes five times a week six if I can get it and um and I I I found it really transformational in terms of maintaining and building muscle mass the the frequency of this uh and as I I just had a friend of mine an abundance member who had a very

bad uh pulmonary situation ended up in the hospital on a ventilator but he was someone who had built significant muscle mass and his recovery was directly a function of that and so he's since he's been out he's been able to add 90% of it back I mean muscle mass is your is your reserve for being able to to battle chronic situations or acute situations absolutely and the fourth thing I think we can uh most people don't realize as much is sleep the quality of sleep matters not just the quantity but the quality of sleep matters

so I think you and I both measure our sleep through aing I also use Peter eight sleep mat that I have both I I have aing and eight sleep as well and so and I think that changes the temperature as I go to sleep and I monitor our sleep because to us it's important we get hour and a half to two hours of ram sleep and we get at least hour to hour and a half of deep sleep it is really really important absolutely and and I think you know I think you and I both

ear in our lives used to be proud of how little we would you know I in medical school it was like okay I can get through 5 hours of sleep that was like my you know I'll sleep when I'm dead was a mantra and that's just absolutely wrong yeah and I think Peter what I think what I've realized is now I go to bed early so there couple of things in sleep I think I go to bed by 9 yeah I'm 9 9:30 for me yeah what time do you wake up about between four and

four uh between four and 5 yeah do you think your morning hours are your most productive absolutely 100% I mean I think by the way there's a lot of research Peter in the Early Sunrise the wavelength of the sunrise and the angle of Sunrise actually resetting your circadian rhythm and there is so much research on how early morning sunrise and doing a sun salutation in the morning it really really helps your body get back I I agree and I just you know I've been trying to wake up or I have been waking up on my

own at 5:00 a.m. especially coming back from India and I love it um those first those first 3 hours of the morning from 5 to prodive are mine right I I get my writing done working on my books um I get you know uh I do my red light therapy a meditation and then I'm in the gym and I do a lot of research people pet I lot of research papers I read in the morning I mean this is the perfect time for me to before anybody else wakes up this is our time to go

that we need very selfish self yeah exactly uh so Peter that's so and I think sleep is just as important as anything else because in fact a Matthew Walker and many people will tell you that you know correlation between a a poor sleep and many of the chronic diseases is a lot I mean so I think really reducing inflammation getting your brain active I think sleep is and the last one Peter is is purpose and I think you I know I think you call that optimism but I think finding a purpose in life is really

so important because people who live a life of purpose they tend to be obviously Optimist but really living a life of purpose you tend to live 10 to 15 years longer when you have a purpose in life than you people who don't have a purpose in life right 100% 100% and Peter this is something I learned a lot from you that you know we have talked about it find something that you're willing to die for and then live for it what is it that you would want when you have everything in life is to do

that now to get everything else in life it is really about doing things that matter find something that can help a billion people live a better life and you create a hundred billion dollar company from it did you see the movie Oppenheimer if you did did you know that besides building the atomic bomb at Los Alamos National Labs that they spent billions on biod defense weapons the ability to accurately detect viruses and microbes by reading their RNA well a company called viome exclusively license the technology from Los Alamos labs to build a platform that can

measure your microbiome and the RNA in your blood now viome has a product that I've personally used for years called full body intelligence which collects a few drops of your blood spit and stool and can tell you so much about your health they've tested over 700,000 individuals and used their AI models to deliver members critical Health guidance like what foods you should eat what foods you shouldn't eat as well as your supplements and probiotics your biological age and other deep Health insights and the results of the recommendations are nothing short of Stellar you know as

reported in the American Journal of Lifestyle medicine after just 6 months of following biomes recommendations members reported the following a 36% reduction in depression a 40% reduction in anxiety a 30% reduction in diabetes and a 48% reduction in IBS listen I've been using viome for 3 years I know that my oral and gut health is one of my highest priorities best of all viome is Affordable which is part of my mission to democratize health if you want to join me on this journey go to vom.com Peter I've asked navine Jane a friend of mine who's

the founder and CEO of viome to give my listeners a special discount you'll find it at vom.com Peter yeah I think you know I we've talked about this at at Singularity University where you're a fellow uh uh director of the company you know 10 to the nth plus thinking yeah what can you do to positively impact the lives of a billion people y you know as I like to say the world's biggest problems the world's biggest business opportunities why to become a billionaire help a billion people all of those things are extraordinarily true and on

the purpose front you know I'm writing my next book right now again with stepen Cotler called age of abundance and one of the things we're going to see as AI is coming in strong and we have you know GPT 5 onward and we have ai agents and AI driven robots doing a lot of the things we used to do we're going to have to uplevel our purpose we're going to have to think much bigger than we ever have right and it's I think that's one of my greatest hopes for any entrepreneur uh watching this is

go bigger go after uh moonshots that truly inspire you and um and give EX inary purpose to your life and Peter if I may add to it one of the techniques I have used to find your moonshot and I think something that I would be thrilled uh for to talk to you about on that subject is is people say this is what I want to do and I think it's very difficult for them to think big so the way I have explained to people how to think big is to say okay so now assume what

you want to do is successful now tell me what the world would look like and what would you do next and then you do that and say now tell me if that is successful what the world would look like and what would you do next right and then you start to say oh my God that my purpose is really to do this but I'm going to start here so this is how I start doesn't mean that's my vision so you have a massive Vision but you start is small and then you see this is how

I start and this is how I get there nested nested moonshots yes nested moonshots and I think that's very important and you know when I'm teaching moonshots I'm I'm asking you okay listen we all know and you've experienced this N I have that moonshots are not overnight they're overnight successes after 10 or 11 years of hard work okay so if this is your moonshot in 10 years time uh where do you need to be in five years where do you need to be in one year what can you do this month and what can you

do right this minute to move you on that direction and taking that first step the 0 to one is you know the ratio something to nothing is infinite and I do I do love your your your point about okay now after your 10year moonshot is achieved um what is the world like you know so if if in the space world if getting to orbit usably was the moonshot okay now you can do that what's next is it Mars minding the asteroids is it Interstellar travel you know is it uh is it you know Reinventing Society

I mean it becomes a lot of fun right life becomes an extraordinary meaningful game uh and I think when we have um you know digital super intelligence you know my belief is it's not that far away we are going to have to you know humans want purpose humans need challenge so we're going to have to uplevel our purpose and our challenge once we get that actually more than that it's become easier I think people are so wrong about AI that the AI somehow is going to destroy Humanity AI is going to be our tool that

will allow us to do the things that we could not do before and the reason people are so scared of AI is because they think somehow it's going to magically happen one day and the it doesn't happen it's not that ETS are coming here and suddenly it's such super intelligence and we don't know how to react to it these things happen over time and we start to merge with them and as we merging with them they become our partner and so it's not going to be today's human versus a AI of 5 years from now

it is going to be the AI 4 years from now plus US versus AI with five years from now right so my point is because we are evolving with AI so the gap between the AI of 5 years from now is not going to be as much as with us because we constantly have integrated ourselves into the AI one of the things that Peter on uh the book that you're writing I think is absolutely I'm so happy you're doing it because every entrepreneur needs that in fact in a very similar book that I am now

writing is called counterintuitive which is the same thing idea is how do we re how do we ask a different questions and especially in the age of AI the questions we ask is the problems we solve right The Prompt becomes more interesting than the answer because what questions are you asking and you could probably say and this may be completely tangent that in Sams people people who were enlightened and people who call them prophets were just batter prompters right that mean they were asking the right questions and the god GPT was actually answering them so

think of a god GPT that had a wisdom of all the knowledge from the beginning of time and people who became prophet and enlightened were actually asking a different question and right question and they were getting that wisdom back was become God GPT actually responded to that prompt in a different way I like that um next on my AI list uh and Healthcare was modeling Alpha fold three and Beyond so this is interesting right so uh you you know this when I take a prescribed medicine um it only works for like a third of the

people it's prescribed for if you're lucky if you're lucky if you're lucky I I think that's an important uh uh you know asteris on there you know people need people think that when you take a medicine oh it's going to work for me and the reality is when the FDA is approving a drug it's it's doing two things one it's saying okay it's not harmful or if it is harmful we know how it's harmful and we're going to list those things the second thing is it's useful in enough people that it's worth giving our approval

it doesn't work for everybody and that's crazy better than Placebo all that have to be better than Placebo that's yeah um or or no worse than placebo let's put it that way so there is a future in which I'm uh I've created an AI model of my biology in detail so my 3.2 billion letters from Mom and Dad uh and what's functioning in my cell I know that this drug specifically works for me and this drug specifically counters this Hallmark of aging and so we're going to start to create AI models of an entire human

cell tissue organ human being and that is um that's a future that's incredible and coming fast and Peter not only I think only part that's missing in your vision is the 100 trillion microbes in your mouth and gut and the reason I'm saying because don't underestimate the power of what is going on so when you are trying to create a digital twin what we saw was identical paternal twins identical twins when you feed them same stuff they have a completely different response to it and there have been so many studies done on identical twins and

I just want people to know that to create identical twins it's not just 3.2 billion of lads that we have in our DNA but also all these uh microbial side that we have to take into account um and whether they are in our mouth all over our skin and in our gut all of that stuff but answer is that is where the world is going to be headed once we are able to create a digital twin of all of these things that we have in our body the whole ecosystem as such we will be able

to personalize everything about us a drug that is going to work or not work and which drug is going to work and how to make that drug to work so for example a many people when they take the drug called lab Doopa for Parkinson's it does not work for them and it turns out that your gut microbes actually use tyrosin to completely nullify the lopa it completely metabolizes The Drug In fact metformin actually works through gut microbiome and there was a research that just came out that shows the probiotic and Metformin together actually improve diabetes

better than either probiotic or metform alone and you can predict we in fact published a paper period about a year ago that shows you can predict whether M Forin is going to reduce your hba1c or not based on your gut microbial activities yeah I you're absolutely right I mean I'm I'm I apologize I should not be that shortsighted to focus on our 40 trillion human cells it really is it really is the other 100 trillion you know bacteria fungi vir everything in in your in your system because we are a very complex it's like it's

like looking at Earth and only looking at the people instead of all the billions of plants and animals and insects on the planet as well yeah um the next thing I listed and and and I you know I think viome is doing the closest to this I'm excited about the next iteration is and I've said this before if I go to physician a and say okay uh this is my objectives I want to gain muscle mass I want more cognitive Clarity I want to live longer uh and I say they we they do some tests

and I say I want to take the best meds and supplements for those objectives um physician a will give me one set of meds and supplements physician B will give me a different set physician c will give me a different set and it's you know it's it's subjective it's what that physician happens to know and uh what that what that doctor happens to have read about or what's in a fad and so the reality is there is an objective best and once you have enough data and so what is that data that data includes uh

my genomics it includes my my my microbiome 100% let me not make that mistake again uh it includes uh my uh objective goals what I want to do how many pills I'm going to take right because I take 75 pills right now um when I'm doing when I'm switching over to viome typically how many supplements come in a pack for someone eight eight eight eight eight pills that's it I'm going from 75 to 8 y yep but you're also getting a stick pack for your probiotic and you're getting your lenses for your okay well I

I'm going to it's going to be a lot easier remember to take my pills every day um by the way does it matter what time of day you take those H so normally we do a h you know 4 in the morning 4: in the evening or you can do all eight together in the morning I do all this is going to be like major simplification of My Life um long story short uh there is an optimization and we're not there yet I think viome is is probably closing the cycle quicker than than most individuals

um than most most companies but uh I think there is a future in which there is an optimized set of meds and supplements period and you're going to be able to know it and AI is going to do that for us the only way Peter today that the reason you get different answers from different doctors are every doctor has their own experience of 100 people thousand people or if you're lucky th000 people no one has data for million people or 10 million people and once you have that then you have all the comorbidities all of

the confounding factors that no one has ever looked at in fact human being cannot process all the confounding Factor they say oh this person has diabetes give them that what the AI can say but you know he also has these following other comorbidities and confounding factor that would not work here right and that can only happen the more and more data so the only other thing I would just clarify Peter is genetics is good but I really think gene expression is probably more important let's talk about that right because I think people need to understand

that when you say oh what do your genetics tell you about how long you live or how you should eat or all of those things genetics are Tombstone markers meaning they're they're they don't change and um and there is something much more important and and you really have built viome around that and I'm a huge believer please take it away well I think Peter as you know your genes as you mentioned don't change but your gene expression is always changing and the gene expression is what makes you who you are so for example every part

of our body is identical DNA yet we have hair and we have kidneys and we have heart and we have neurons all come from the same DNA that means same DNA can make all the different things and what is expressed is really what makes us who we are so understanding the gene expression is the key to understanding your uh health and your disease right so we monitor RNA so we look at the mitochondrial gene expression we looking at all of the immune system expression of which by the way you saw the research Peter the il1

inhibitor that actually reduce the biological significantly right yeah 25% 25% and that's just a il6 uh you know uh in il1 which is the il6 uh a function so I think really think ultimately understanding what is causing the il1 to go up what can we do to actually inhibit the expression of Il 11 doesn't mean it doesn't exist it is the expression so similarly you're trying to reduce the pro-inflammatory gene expression you want to increase the anti-inflammatory Gene expression and you might be really proud of me I just got my results on the biological age

test from gly age this morning what would be your gas peder what would be your gas my how how old what is your chronological age you're 6 so I'm turning 65 in September 65 in September amazing uh so your glycon age uh 45 33 33 amazing yeah amazing half you're you're half the man you used to be well or at least I'm twice the man that I need to that means I can probably now live to be a long time and get to watch Peter doing amazing things so that the reason I mention that is

it is basically looking at the anti-inflammatory and the pro-inflammatory markers in your body and that's looking at that gene expression is the key to understanding why some people get sicker and other people don't even though they have identical identical DNA so you have in fact you per you have twins right identical DNA right no they're not fraternal twins they're I'm sorry they're not identical twins they're fraternal twins yeah real quick I've been getting the most unusual compliments lately on my skin truth is I use a lotion every morning and every night religiously called one skin

it was developed by four PhD women who determined a 10 amino acid sequence that is a cytic that kills scile cells in your skin and this literally reverses the age of your skin and I think it's one of the most incred products I use it all the time uh if you're interested check out the show notes I've asked my team to link to it below all right let's get back to the episode tell me tell me what are you doing to reduce your inflammatory what do you think you're doing most that is reducing your in

in your inflammation load so Peter again it is avoiding the foods that vome tells me to avoid because those foods cause inflammation eating my superfood to increase my anti-inflammatory markers and then taking the set of supplements and biotics and oral loin is to constantly just adjust my microbiome to actually make sure that they're not producing anything that causes inflammation so reducing the sulfide production reducing the ammonia production reducing the LPS production and those are the kind of things that you do then your immune system is always ready but it's balanced yeah I'm just going to

go and and real quick look at my superfoods and my ums my my avoid Foods one moment um nutrition here we go just for fun you can you can share me yours um so my I'm going go to my avoid Foods first wow avoid artichoke okay but click on that it'll tell you why okay so um uh artichoke uh as a Prebiotic food rich in insulin why you should avoid methane gas production Pathways I guess I'll make kids feel better no actually Matan gas also by the way is inflammatory so it's not just about the

Matan gas it actually has no smell just in case you're wondering it is actually inflammatory yes uh beef avoid beef avoid black beans which is a surprise and by you click on that it'll tell you why uh okay yes again uh again meth methane gas production um and then it goes on in detail as to and probably meat red beat probably is because of TMA uh and the beef is about TMA production and LDL cholesterol Pathways and by the way uh besides telling me why it also gives me a scientific reference which is which is

fantastic uh avoid butter I do that already avoid cane sugar 100% I do that avoid cheese cow milk cheese I do that already and these are things that inherently um but these are inherently things that make me feel bad and uh and here's so so food you know for me Che uh chees a food allergy um okay uh avoid Buffalo avoid caviar that's a bummer Sony's not going to be happy about that and that must be TMA as well I think yeah so the the uh where's the caviar uh yes the TMA like I said

uh navine I need to award you a medical degree from one of my universities um so here it's now avoid egg yolk which is new for me uh avoid eggplant I've always known that um avoid grapefruit uh avoid honey so now let's talk about um what my superfoods are so cuz you know uh don't want to have it all be avoiding so almonds apples are uh oops and by click on almonds it will tell you why yeah okay so almonds supports heart health good blood sugar response oral inflammatory pathways um and uh arugula let's see

I want to just only oh only Super Foods okay I click on that button to get rid of the avoid beet Brown broth broccoli I love broccoli my favorite my favorite brussels sprouts cabbage celery by the they are AO for me the broccoli and Brussels sprouts are AO for me really interesting uh cranberries um Ginger is a superfood grape are super food that's good uh let's see mung bean sprouts they're awesome yeah olive oil is like my my most yeah I love olive oil uh being Greek of course pomegranates raspberries uh I se Foods salmon

yes wild CAU salmon for sure that's like my number one go-to meal spinach popey would be happy uh tofu turmeric white mushrooms so by 30% the people are harmed by spinach because of high oxalates and spinach right so I mean in fact it's really really interesting that we put together and looked at the a lot of the people that consider healthy food how many people are actually harmed by them yeah it it is you know we have these generalizations and we get our our food advice from you know from our cartoons and from uh you

know from the fda's ancient food pyramids and oh God you know at the end of the day you can know do you want to know do you want to take the the time to know um my last Ai and health uh sort of transformative impact is uh surgical robots so um you know today I think you know this but just to share with folks listening here if you need to get a surgery uh there's one question you ask when you're interviewing a surgeon and and please don't just pick the first surgeon that comes to you

um and that question is how many times have you done the surgery this morning right in other words there is a the reason is a surgeon who's done many of them in fact sometimes you see places where there's like a a surgical assly line right where the surgeon is going in doing a surgery and next those are the best surgeons they've seen so many circumstances so many variations that they're not caught off guard by something going on they have massive experience you know your brain is a neural net and it's being trained by everything you

see and so you want a surgeon that's seen a lot and trained up their neural net um because it's really it's a hand skill coordination and it's a knowledge coordination so in the future we're going to see surgical robots that have seen not just a thousand cases or 5,000 cases over their career but have seen you know you know you know 50 million cases because they share all of their knowledge across every surgery every done ever done as part of operating system and they don't have fights with their girlfriends or boyfriends they can see an

infrared ultraviolet they don't have too much coffee their hands not shaking so I think that's coming and I think they also can create a virtual view of the world so they can have you know you know that 3D view so they can literally see everything around them so they know where they are as opposed to the doctor actually trying to figure out where they are they are constantly knowing where they are in the body and I really think there just no doubt in my mind at the end of the day that robotic surgery is here

to stay and we hope that one day we won't even need that because our Nanobots will be repairing our organs and and so you won't even need that 100% so as we promised let's talk about raising kids um I I want to hear your advice so before we go to raising kids give me an overview pal remind me what it was like for you growing up in India where were you born what was life like your early days so Peter we grew up very very poor in India we had no place to stay we had

no food to eat we mov what town or Village were you in where were you we didn't have a place Peter we moved every every probably 12 months 18 months we moved from Village to Village because my father decided not to take any bribes and if he don't take a bribe his boss didn't get any money so he was constantly transfer from one Village to another Village until we went to such remote Villages where there was no nothing to be built nothing to be done so he's not taking anyone's bribe anymore right so we grew

up in very very R Ral D Villages government work yeah so he worked on the you know public works department his job was to build the buildings and the road and and they rather not use cement they wanted to use contract to use sand and half cement so they can save money and then give it to the Bri the people in the in the government for a bribe uh you know coming from there despite all of that my sister went on to become a post-doctorate in Applied Mathematics my brother has a PHD in statistics and

computer science I I was the probably the least educated person ended up getting engineering from IIT which is uh one of the top schools and then did my MBA came to United States about 42 years ago uh how old were you nothing in my $45 in my pocket ended up in New Jersey you you were you were you were what 23 at the time 23 at the time yeah yeah and uh and uh God has been very kind to us Peter God has been just extremely kind to us and uh today we sit here with

everything that we could have possibly ever imagined and more our children grew up here in an extremely affluent family and there was never a time you know even though in the early days when the kids were young my wife will say you know Anu will say you know May maybe we should tell children that we don't have much money we can move into a small house and I say sweetie one day they're going to learn to read they know that daddy's not poor that that doesn't quite work very well so you may as well change

how we talk to them about money so we decided we're going to fundamentally change the concept of what success is so we told them that your success is never measured by how much money you have in the bank it's measured by how many lives you improve your selfworth is never going to come from how much much you own your self worth comes from how much you create that means you can own a lot that you inherited but if you haven't created anything you're still a parasite on Humanity so please don't be a parasite go do

something meaningful and then we really start to look at everything that we did what we learned in the early days Peter was children don't do what you tell them to do they do what they see you do and that's the beauty of the thing is so when our you know hours running in first space come was worth $40 billion right um and it you know point the reason I'm trying to mention is that at that time kids were young I could have easily said hey I'm going to now retire retire and the kids are young

I want to spend time with my children and what you know it would have been people would have said oh my God how nice of naven to actually give up his career and spend time with the kids that is a selfish thing to do because I it's good for me I want to get that pleasure but from a kids perspective what they would have seen is Dad made lot of money when I go to school he's sitting on the sofa watching CNBC he comes back when they come back from his school dad says work hard

hard work is what it takes right and they're sitting watching dad sitting on the sofa watching NBC they said I want to grow up just like my dad sit on the sofa and watch CNBC right now instead of reading the stories in the evening we will have them create stories so instead of teaching them stories we say hey can you tell me a story about a monkey and a old ocean and a palm tree and they need to now come up with a way to connect the dots together because we wanted them to see how

everything in the world can be connected now dad you tell me a story about these three things right the idea was to start to show them how to connect the dots in the world the most important thing Peter was giving them intellectual curiosity as a job of a parent is not to take the kids to the water and make them drink but make them thirsty and the way to create thir is intellectual curiosity and this is really interesting Peter you're going to admire so when a kid comes and says oh look at Peter he's wearing

a amazingly great black sweater you don't say oh yes that is really great sweater you say you know unor or you know jet that you know the black doesn't really exist it is a simply the you know electromagnetic waves the photons that are hitting our light and the color is created in our brain and so you know what you're seeing is actually not real and the reason is you want them to challenge everything even that they think that they can take it for granted that's the black sweater right the point is once you challenge them

to start taking that every single thing can be challenged even the thing that they're seeing with their eyes may not be right it allows them to start thinking about how to challenge everything that they have right and as we wrap up here the last thing really is allowing them to ask the right questions right so when we talk about solving world hunger you don't talk about how do we increase the yield of the food how do we reduce the wastage instead of asking how to produce more you question about why do we eat food right

and you simply when you say why do we eat food the pro you need energy and what are the different ways to get energy and suddenly the solutions that you are seeing are very different than simply growing more food and wasting more food and we can go on and on about symptoms in the root CA but that's really the way of actually educating children I I I agree with you I you know when I Dro my kids off at school my my parting words are ask great questions today right yeah and when when I advise

uh uh CEOs in abundant Summit it's you know asked great questions today it really is about the questions you ask in life like you said God GPT sort of you know what are you prompting um you know I I I had the pleasure to get to know your kids early on um and and spend time with with Encore and prianka and Neil and they've interned and work with me Neil actually interned for you I mean he learned more from you than I could have ever taught him um how how do you think about um the

at at their ages of you know sort of uh 14 to 18 to 23 um you know uh what is your advice on what kids should be doing during that period of time um how important is the school they go to how important is the experiences they have go little deeper there so Peter I think this is something so important and so crucial I think taking children to learn about different things so essentially taking kids to abundance 360 I mean to me or taking them to Singularity University there is nothing no better investment you would

ever do in your children to bring them to expose them to different things that are out there that they don't even know about exposing them to coming to abundance 360 having them learn about AI having them learn about what nanotechnologies are and having them to learn about what is coming up allows them to start thinking about what is possible and that is the key the best investments you make in children are exposing them to different ideas different things about different possibilities as oppos to having them find their passion early you actually your job should be

to expose them to different ideas different people taking them to work taking them to actually see how you work seeing them that you are have you are humans you make mistakes but really taking them to these places where you learn so if you find abundance 360 to be useful why not bring your children there if you find Singularity University to be helpful why not bring your children there and Peter as you know all three of our kids went to Singularity University all three of them were involved with X prise because they saw the possibilities coming

out of X prise all of them have come to abundance because they see what they can learn and to me that is the best thing I can ever offer a parenting advice is take them to the great places where they can learn and be exposed to different ideas yeah amazing uh naine where do people follow you where do they learn more about the your books the work that you do um viome so Peter of course you can follow me on Instagram in LinkedIn uh you can go to naven jen.com if you want to know more

about what I'm doing or you can go to vom.com v.com and learn more about what wome is doing um or find me at abundance 360 or any of the pet things uh always a pleasure I am continually just uh uh really gratified for your friendship my friend uh and for your passion you are a beautifully driven individual and those who know who know you know that there is no stopping you uh and and just the the journey that you've been on building biome um and how much you've created and how much you've combined it's just

a it's a beautiful thing and I'm thankful for you Peter from the bottom of my heart I appreciate you I absolutely love you like a brother and I just cannot thank you enough for what you have done for me and our family and I'm always in debt of you all right buddy excited for the life we're living together onwards to uh 100 plus 200 plus we'll see where we get all right absolutely absolutely do that be well take care [Music]