Dr.Umar: Trump Assassination, Building a School, Kendrick, Drake, Akon and more (Part 1)

Dr Umar what's up man how you doing pan africanism glad to be with you shout out to Toronto Canada one love is being African if Drake identifies full-time as being African despite his Jewish Heritage I don't have a problem with him so now Kendrick got to do what Dr Umar de and make that public statement apologize if in any way I assaulted my Canadian African brothers and sisters cuz this is just me going against Drake it wasn't me going against black Canada you feel me he needs to do that for sake of a race to

keep the peace and I believe it was done to ingratiate Donald Trump uh to the voters I do not believe that uh his life isn't in in Jeopardy there's always tokens Barack Obama was President KLA Harris was vice president Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court don't give me individuals how did we win how many fub I'm getting out of here what who the [ __ ] wear F car I in2 podcast is brought to you by marketer hire hello and welcome to hust over everything podcast this is a podcast where you receive stories tips

and tactics entrepreneurs who have done it I'm Alex the owner of the show and today we have a special show for you we have the legend himself King Consciousness Dr Umar what's up man how you doing pan africanism glad to be with you shout out to Toronto Canada one love most definitely most definitely so I start off getting right into it mhm what were you doing when you heard that there was a assassination attempt on Donald Trump uh I believe uh my mother and I were watching a movie together on a television uh when it

came through um yesterday afternoon I guess it was um and so immediately you know I conducted a political analysis on the situation and my political analysis led me to a couple of uh early theories on the so-called attempted assassination a couple of things number one when they tried to assassinate presidents and although Donald Trump is not in office he once was and having ever been in office you are guaranteed Secret Service protection at a level that supersedes of dignitaries when when they make assassinations they don't miss state sponsored assassinations are extremely well planned and organized

and they leave nothing to Chance in almost every state sponsored assassination that this country has carried out there were always backup Shooters if we look at the good Reverend Dr Martin Luther King Jr his state sponsored assassination probably the most well orchestrated in American history the um primary Mary shooter was a expert Marksman from the Memphis Police Department the backup shooters were Green Berets of the US Military and the backup Shooters rarely have knowledge of who the primary shooter is they're normally under the assumption that they are the primary shooter because nothing could be left

a chance uh when we look at the six presidential assassination attempts in American history you have President Abraham Lincoln which was April of 1865 you have President Garfield which was July 2nd I believe of 1881 you have President McKinley which was in 1901 and then you have President John F Kennedy uh November 22nd 1963 and then you have President Ronald Reagan which took place on May 30th 1981 I believe and then you had what happened yesterday former president Donald Trump on July the 13th of 2023 what is odd about these six presidential assassination attempts two

of which were unsuccessful four that were successful three of them were assassinated on a Friday and three of them were uh assassinated or attempted to be assassinated on a Saturday no nobody was shot on a Sunday nobody was shot on a Monday Tuesday or Wednesday no one was shot on a Thursday it was only Friday and Saturday Donald Trump's attempted assassination was on a Saturday is it just a coincidence that PR President Ronald Reagan's assassination attempt was also on a Saturday is it a coincidence that both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump were neither traditional politicians

Ronald re came over from Hollywood Donald Trump came over from the business world is it also a coincidence that neither man was uh uh uh extremely popular so to speak when they were running for president initially and the assassination attempts endeared them to many people who otherwise would not have supported them uh the and and all of the of the four presidents who were assassinated three of them were assassinated on a Friday Lincoln was assassinated on a Friday johnf Kennedy was assassinated on a Friday William McKinley was assassinated on a Friday only President Garfield July

2nd 1881 was assassinated on a Saturday as were the attempts made on Reagan and Trump are these coincidences so what do I believe I believe that this was not an attempt to take Donald Trump's life I believe this was an attempt to endear Donald Trump to the American people so that the democ so that the Republican National Committee and Convention could continue to carry out the Martyr narrative that they have been using ever since Donald Trump was charged and convicted of a felony so they are painting a picture to the American people that suggests the

power structure doesn't want Donald Trump in office and because he's being viewed as a martyr it is increasing his black vote it is increasing his white vote and this latest uh debacle if you would scam that I would probably say was also done by the American white power structure to further ingratiate Donald Trump to American voters who otherwise would not be thinking of casting a ballot for him this was not an assassin assassination attempt excuse me this was not an assassination attempt this was a publicity campaign okay hey what what's the significance of the Friday

and Saturday what do you think that significance is well one thing we know that security tends to be laxed on Friday and Saturday uh there's less bureaucratic activity on a Friday or Saturday all of your government workers mostly outside of essential workers are home on Friday in Saturday basically you have less eyes you have less supervision less surveillance and and less security so whatever you're carrying it out it's more effective to be done on Friday and Saturday those are the two days that a lot of folks you know are thinking about something other than their

job than their work and of course Sunday is church and very little takes place on Sunday out of respect for you know religion so Friday and Saturdays are the best days to carry out an assassination and I would also argue to underscore my position that this was a publicity stunt to Garner votes for Donald Trump by the power structure and when I say power structure I don't just mean the Republicans because America is not ran by Democrats and Republicans America is ran by the National Security Agency America is is ran by the Council on for

relations America is ran by the trilateral commission a America is ran by the Federal Reserve America is ran by the bilderbergers the Rothchilds the Morgans the Stanley uh that's who America is run by the Democrats and Republicans are simply their arms and fingers they are their feet but the ultimate decisions are made by the shadow government that includes but is not limited to those secret bodies that I just mentioned uh let's go to Barack Obama when President Barack Obama declared his run for president and even during his reelection and during his entire campaign of the

first term and during the second term as well his life was threatened multiple times Donald U excuse me president OB Obama received more death threats I believe than any president in American history running and sitting not a single attempt on his life there's no way you're going to convince me that someone who's receiving actual threats on their life doesn't get a single attempt in two terms and Donald Trump gets one I'm not buying that this was a stunt in the power structures name is written all over it what do you think about the two people

that lost their lives uh collateral damage America allow Perl Harbor to be bombed they knew the Japanese were coming and they let it happen because they needed to justify their involvement in World War II uh America any government not just America but we're talking about America if you study the behavior of Nations it becomes necessary to sacrifice some of your own people in order to gain a larger reward in other words you might lose the battle on purpose so you can win the war so I'm not surprised that there was only one casualty America has

killed way more of her people than that look at all the soldiers who died uh fighting uh Al Qaeda uh so to speak you know look at all the soldiers who died in Afghanistan and Iraq and Kuwait for oil and drugs and access to International markets they didn't die for liberty or Justice or democracy they died for power and privilege you know so America has a history most all governments are corrupt on the planet okay and all of them basically have a history of sacrificing their own lives in order to achieve their selfish ends so

how do you think America is looking to the International Community uh assassination attempts are not foreign I don't think to any country you know our brothers and sisters on the African soil they probably experienced the most assassination attempts per capita because of the general uh weak governmental structure that exists and the strong oversight and control that France America Great Britain Belgium Germany and other countries has on Africa that's what allows so many assassination attempts to take place on African soil plus the fact that the ego of the Negro doesn't give us enough patience to wait

for the next opportunity to run for office we want people unseated right now so we kill them in order to replace him uh but with that being said I don't think it's a shock because there hasn't been an attempt since 1981 Ronald Reagan and I tell you what else is very interesting the time between the assassination of President McKinley in 1881 and the assassination of President John F Kennedy was uh 62 years the space between JFK's assassination in Trump's assassination attempt was 62 years I don't think that is a CO coincidence that almost the same

amount of time passed between McKinley and JFK's assassinations and JFK's and Trump uh fraudulent assassination and it's been just under 25 years since Ronald Reagan's uh presidential assassination attempt so I'm just saying on saying all that to say that there's a structure to this there's a rhythm to this there's a system to this and people who really study political science I was a political science major yeah okay so people really study political science they they they they'll see that if this was just some crazed person first of all if you understand how the Secret Service

operates how thoroughly they canvas and case out a situation for example most presidents have uh what do we want to call them uh replicas of themselves there's dummies for every President right I think they have about a dozen of them people who look just like Donald Trump they give them plastic surgery they look like Donald Trump they dress them up and they send them into places where they think there's High threats to see if in fact you know there is a credible threat taking place at that time so there's no way any shooter if the

Secret Service did their job and I'm sure they did because again he's a past president possibly soon to be again there's no way the Secret Service different canas canvas that out there's no way that FBI and Cia didn't do their job there's no way Homeland Security had a breakdown there's too many governmental agencies involved in the protection of the president of the United States especially on domestic soil especially on domestic soil there's no way this could happen if you really understand how thorough the United States government is in carrying out its responsibilities to protect the

lives of American presidents this was done by the power structure and I believe it was done to ingratiate Donald Trump uh to the voters I do not believe that uh his life is in in in Jeopardy if we look at Ronald Reagan uh after he was shot there was never again to my knowledge an attempt on his life it was purely a publicity stunt if they wanted Donald Trump G you think was a publicity stunt as well absolutely really absolutely why uh because he didn't die and they didn't come back to kill him again got

they don't make they don't make mistakes Malcolm's assassination King's assassination uh the US government is responsible for killing the former president of Venezuela Hugo Chavez they killed Arafat these are some of their unofficial assassinations they do not make mistakes if they want you dead you die take the JFK assassination uh the the single bullet theory even though that's the most popular theory of JFK's assassination in history is completely incorrect people who were there said that there was more than one shooter there was more than one shooter because they leave nothing up the chance if the

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I'm going to have to do some more research you know on Drake's political uh views as well as his racial identity uh you know being a psychologist uh having many friends who are mixed race Africans having done plenty of work with mixed race Africans I understand that some of them are in complete denial of the africanity I know others are in complete support of their africanity and I know that still there are furthers who are not quite comfortable with either identity you know so I have to see where Drake stands I don't know how much

his mother uh raised him with an understanding that you are a black man I don't know how much his father may have raised him with a strong sense of African Consciousness obviously his father procreated with a white woman so clearly he's not the proudest of black men but yet and still you know he could have tried to raise his son with a strong you know black Consciousness so I have to I'm going to do some research and look and see uh what Drake had to say himself you know some people accuse my good brother Char

leag of not being uh honest in some of the things he said about Drake you know uh I believe my brother to be completely honest but I In fairness to Drake I have to see what he had to say out of his own mouth because when I heard some of the lyrics of Kendrick and keep in mind I don't follow either rapper closely I don't really listen to anyone out of New School uh probably I listen to Meek Mill the most out of any modern artist because we're from the same neighborhood um but most of

uh them I don't follow them I'm very much a 80s and 90s guy we're only a few miles away from East Orange Naughty by Nature one of my greatest uh hip-hop uh rap groups of all time TR one of my favorite artists Tupac my number one artist you know I listen to the old stuff I don't listen to none of this new stuff so I don't know much about Drake or Kendrick but I appreciate you know the positive spin that Kendrick has on his music you know and I can appreciate the success that Drake has

had over time you know but racially where I stand with Drake I have to uh do some research and see exactly you know what he claims to be you know uh as envy and charlot M said he's very clear that he's Jewish and I don't have a problem with him being clear about the fact that his maternal lineage is Jewish but my question is are you also as Unapologetic about your Blackness as you are about your Jewish lineage and if you're more proud to be a Jew then you are proud to be black clearly Dr

Umar gonna have some issues with you I don't have a problem with him claiming to be Jewish because that's who he is but is that what you're leading with because of that what you're leading with you're clearly not unapologetically African and I probably will lose respect for you uh with that being said you know I did think Kendrick was a little hard when I first heard that because I said we should not be divided or separating out our mixed race brothers and sisters from the rest of us you know I'm a pan-africanist and in the

tradition of pan-africanism all of my panafrican as forefathers you know they all taught and stood for as do I the principle that all African people are of African Heritage if they identify with being black fulltime you know we've never discriminated against Africans who had a white mother or a black father you know assuming that the other parent was inde black there was never an issue for us you know I mentioned Bob Marley on The Breakfast Club I can go to John Brown russworm who is the most probably the first prominent Pana africanist in history from

Jamaica he's the black man who started the first newspaper in this country a few miles away over in Manhattan New York with Samuel Cornish called freedoms Journal 1827 that's the first black newspaper he's one of the first black men to get a college degree in his country he's one of the first panafrican is to repatriate to Liberia where he died and he had he was of mixed race Heritage uh my number one Philadelphia ancestor uh Robert pervis who was a president of the Philadelphia Underground Railroad in the anti- vigilance Society he's the brother who had

the famous pain painting of uh sin the leader of the Amistad Rebellion he had that done his father was white um you know uh John Brown russworm his father was white Bob Marley his father was white uh Bishop Henry McNeil Turner the first black man at say God was black he's one of the first elected officials to Georgia State House during Reconstruction he was called Marcus Garvey before Marcus Garvey and he died just before Marcus Garvey came to America uh his father was white you know so I have plenty plenty of Heroes my ancestor Frederick

Douglas and his half brother and first cousin my four times great-grandfather Steph Henry belly their fathers was white you know so I don't come from a history where we uh practice discrimination uh or any form of bigotry against misra Africans on a plantation we was all one yeah the slave master might use the yellow African or use the mix R children you know to serve them in the house but at the end of the day we was all nwga to them you know what I mean so as long as you identify full time as being

African if Drake identifies fulltime as being African despite his Jewish Heritage I don't have a problem with him but if he has done things such as the black face you know which I did see which I thought was definitely conduct uncoming a black man when you look at that blackface skit that Drake did it does suggest that he's poking fun at black people and doesn't necessarily see himself as one of us but as I asked Charlamagne at what point in his life did he do that uh it doesn't excuse him wrong is wrong but if

he did that when he was 18 and now he's in his 30s maybe he's grown from that he still owes the African race an apology for acting like a fool you know but at the same time I'm not going to outright dismiss if that was done later in life because we all have to overcome issues we all suffer from post-traumatic slavery disease we all suffer from postraumatic colonization disorder and I wouldn't want to hold Drake to a standard that I don't hold anyone else to but if it is in fact proven you know that he's

identifies as a Jew and only identifies as a black man when it's convenient then I would have to say that Kendrick Lamar you know was definitely uh appropriate and I think that Kendrick Lamar's lyrics and his verbal attacks you know on Drake uh would be without question or without refutation if Drake is guilty then I would have to say Kendrick was was within his right to expose him the way that he did you know but I want to see that you know because I heard not like us and so when I'm listening to it I'm

like wow is Drake guilty of all these things Kendrick is accusing him of and if he is he needs to write the record with his people meaning African people not just Canadians and not just North American Africans but the whole race as a panafrican it's about all of us not some of us and Drake needs to clarify that you know what I mean so again for me the uh story is not yet closed and my assessment on the Drake Kendrick situation requires a little bit more study on my part so just a little background I

want to I want to like I I watched the whole Breakfast Club interview and to be honest during that segment that was the only time of the entire interview that there was any sort of confusion usion okay right there was confusion from Charlamagne because he didn't really know exactly how to answer your questions cuz you did admit first of all that you don't listen to um neither party very much and that um you don't know much of their history so us being from Toronto we know for a fact that Drake 100% is black and he's

no no you know he's black he identif I know 100% I know he's black I know 100% that Drake identifies as black um but he he doesn't shy away from his Jewish culture of course because that's his mom um that that raised him but he definitely 100% identifies as black and I just want to let you know that because even in that interview there was confusion on everyone's party but I so with the black face when did he do that I believe that he was like 87 did he ever apologize for doing that I don't

think that he publicly apologized he needs to okay because until does he's a [ __ ] in my book don't ever disrespect so I want to go kind of deeper into that conversation around um maybe people that aren't from America being considered black a a conversation that derives from this Kendrick Lamar and Drake beef is that people who aren't American are not black that's been a conversation I've never heard that so I and I've never experienced it's huge and even so your Joe Buon interviews because there was a part one and part two I'm a

patron so I watched both interviews as soon as they came out um you guys spoke a lot you guys spoke about so many things but the reason why I brought that up is cuz you went on that platform and even Joe Buon he's literally telling people that certain people are not black he didn't say that during our interview he didn't say that during your interview but this has been a more recent thing because I wouldn't have accepted um one of the people that he was speaking about was Tyler the the new artist from I believe

South Africa he said that she's not black he said Drake's not black he's just saying that a lot of now Tyler and I don't know much about I just seen something come across my screen I believe she's a member of the colored community of South Africa is that correct yes okay because they don't identify as black they don't but she has she I don't think she directly come out and said I'm black but she didn't she needs to she I don't think you have to be Unapologetic got you got you you understand yeah we should

not be sitting here yeah wondering if if you're black she's clear if she identifies and then the other question I would have for the sister Tyler or for Drake M this should be no questions yeah it should be so clear where you stand that there should be no questions from anybody yeah and if there are questions the fact that I even had to ask the question even though I don't follow him a lot means you haven't done enough to make it clear that you're a black man because it should be unequivocal you made it clear

how much you're a Jew that's fine but guess what everybody knows Drake has identified as a Jew you feel feel me there was no question about that but there was a little bit of uncertainty about the black side you guys being from Toronto you're clear on it which is good but guess what the world should be clear on it and if the world is not clear on it then automatically a suspicion I would have as a neutral party you understand as a panafrican is because I'm no more loyal to a Kendrick being born in America

or Drake born in Canada even if he is mixed race because I'm a pan africanist so all of us are equal I care as much about the African in Angola as the one in Alabama the one in batswana as the one in Birmingham the one in Toronto as the one in New York it's no difference to me One race got but with that being said it automatically draws a suspicion as to whether or not you're identifying as black just to make sure you don't alienate your potential customer base you see what I'm saying so if

she has identified as colored her whole life and now I'm saying I'm black because I want to make sure I sell these records you see if Drake is saying I'm Jewish my whole life but now I better say black because as popular as I am if I say I don't identify as black and I'm only Jewish I'm going to lose a lot of my uh fan base just like when Barack Obama ran for president of the United States he ran as a black man but if you go through Obama's history and if you look at

his books he very much tried to live his life as a mixed race person as opposed to being black you know what I mean so my thing with mix race Africans again I don't see them as any different than the rest of us they do have to make it clear where they stand because CU there is a population of mixed race Africans who don't want to be called black they very much identify as mixed race which is a way of saying I'm a little bit different from y'all and I'm a little bit better from y'all

and I want to make sure I get those crumbs that fall from the table of white privilege whenever I get a chance to do so I had this conversation I was in London I was speaking at one of the uh panafrican conferences and it there was a mixed race sister in there and I had to explain to her in Manchester England that you are African okay and that's the only way we want to deal with you if you want to come to the panafrican movement as mixed race and that's how you want to be identified

we have no space for you cuz this is for African people we can respect the fact that you got a white mother but you're black and you need to also understand your white mother is not invited into this space we will respect her as your mother but she got to understand this is a black space your daughter could come but you cannot and that sister had difficulty swallowing that and she would be somebody who couldn't sit at the table even though she's my sister because she's confused in terms of her racial identity she cannot be

invited to the table so and to go back into the the Drake thing and the whole conversation around um people that aren't from America not being black so I just want to clarify that you disagree with that sentiment I I completely disagree with it okay and it ain't about being black it's about being African although we use the word black interchangeably you understand yeah everybody on the planet who is a direct descendant of the continent is black period I don't care where you live I've been in Toronto plenty of times I've been in Montreal I've

been everywhere but Australia you understand African is African one black parent or two it's no it's no difference with me got and I will say there are panafrican is who are hypocritical you know I've been around pan africanist but I could tell that they had some chauvinism against yeah American Africans or they had some chauvinism against European Africans or they had some chauvinism against Caribbean Africans so I know there's hypocrisy within the panafrican movement I've experienced it myself this p afist in the world who don't like the fact that I'm the most prominent pan africanist

in the world you know what I mean they don't like it and when I'm in their party I can feel the chauvinism I can feel the bigotry they won't speak on it because they get slapped down you understand but I can feel the Envy I can feel the he's not quite African because he's a descendant of the ins the enslaved African you understand so yes there's bigotry within the panafrican movement but it's the job of those of us who are sincere about this to make sure we call it out thank you for clearing that up

because during this whole beef that was the first message that I heard and I've been invested in it because but who said that now I know you said Joe Button so Joe Button is one of the people that have definitely said that but I'm looking at the conversation that are coming from just average everyday social media users so I've gone viral a couple times um one on his podcast one on the podcast that you also reposted um regarding this whole Drake situation and on his podcast I got the Kendrick lovers which means they're Drake haters

okay a lot of the comments that were going being directed at me was you're from Canada first of all so you have no knowledge on what we're really talking about and secondly you're not black that's what a lot of people are saying and never heard so and and that goes into hip-hop itself so you have been very outspoken specifically about Marcus Garvey right honorable Marcus Garvey the The Honorable Marcus Garvey and he comes from Jamaica yes now hip-hop itself um cool herk has been credited as pretty much the Creator alongside with a couple people the

father of Hip Hop and he's Jamaican as well so the same thing that they're using to kind of take away what would be my blackness as somebody who is Jamaican and Canadian um they're trying to use hip hop as kind of a thing to be against those people which I don't understand because it's created by somebody that's not from here right so the whole conversation around it gave me a little bit of an identity crisis cuz I'm like my whole entire life as a black guy growing up in Toronto I very much identify with American

culture because it's New York is right there it's so close so when I come around I now I now just start to hear this conversation at 28 years old talking about wait like people that aren't black American aren't even black it's just it has me gone for gone for I agree with that and you know K herk who's a friend of mine you know he reaches out to me from time to time nothing but love and respect for The Elder he is the father of Hip Hop now there were other people present at that time

you know who were without question you know The Offspring of Africans who were forcibly brought here you know so it wasn't just exclusively a Jamaican creation you understand but to your point what I think you're getting at is that Africans from every culture or from several cultures actually contributed to what we now you know consider to be hi to me the argument is much bigger though and it's an argument of racial bigotry and it is an argument of alienation that I think all of us or many of us because to my credit I'm not guilty

of this but as I travel the world I do see the schisms and the isms I do see the cultural imperialism and the internal uh separation that we play against each other you know even in countries you know I could think about when I went to Montreal and some of the things I heard about Toronto you understand or when I'm in Ghana what I hear about Nigeria or when I'm in Nigeria what I hear about South Africa when I'm in South Africa what I hear about Ethiopia when I'm in Ethiopia what I I hear about

Somalia you understand you know so even in America you have it East Coast West Coast we have a whole bunch of isms and schisms and that's why we as Pana africanist we believe in organization on the racial level we believe that we are one people that's all we stand for so we don't get involved in all of that obviously in America we have certain uh social quasi political movements that seek to weaponize uh American African identity against other people but and I don't support them but in their defense a very mild defense I understand where

the energy comes from okay because American African people we have created things such as hip hop that Africans around the world have uh taken advantage of and have done very well with and they will turn around and disrespect American African people let's Aon right our brother Aon who's from synagog he's done very well as a hip-hop R&B artist and when he's in Africa discussing American African people he can speak very disrespectfully about the very people whose culture made you a millionaire you understand so we have to also recognize that it's not just that American Africans

have an issue with Africans from Toronto or Africans from the continent or Africans from the Caribbean we have been insulted and we have been belittled and we have been degraded by Africans and other places because of our history of being an offspring of enslaved and for me it's no shame for me it's a badge of honor because I know what my ancestors did to bring that freedom and I know that from the mind in the soul of the American African came so much that this world would never have if it wasn't for us if it

wasn't for the enslaved African there would be no stop lights there would be no gas mask there would be no helicopters there would be no internet there would be no cell phone these things came from black folks from the states so I understand what we gave but as a Pana africanist I could never allow the bigotry that I still experienc from Africans in other places even being as popular as I am as Dr Umar but being a Pana africanist I could never be so hypocritical as to let the psychological injuries that I have sustained from

bigoted Africans around the world to manipulate me into weaponizing my identity against them as they have weaponized their identity against us at the end of the day it is panafrican it's vers everybody else so I Rise Above That bigotry in America I'll rise above it if it's in Canada I rise above it if it's in Africa I rise above it if it's in the Caribbean and I believe that's one of the reasons why I am so popular because when people are around me they feel it and it's genuine I show no favoritism to nobody if

I'm going to Nigeria I make it clear I'm not signed with the ebo or the yurubi you if I'm going to Kenya I make it clear I'm not sing with the Messiah or the Kyu wherever I go it's African people first that's what I'm dealing with there's no Nigerian bone there's no Toronto African bone there's no Brazilian African bone we African and that's all there is to it for me beautiful listen the more subscribers we have the better the guests get so please hit subscribe let's get back into the show all right y'all y'all everybody

from Toronto you guys heard it straight from from Dr Umar that they not like us we're not accepted that over here I I I definitely thank you for com wait a minute so you're saying yeah when Kendrick says they not like us he's talking about us like literally me like me I'm they yeah I got to do some research CU see I thought he was just talking about Drake as an individual no no he's talking about us like black people that are not American like me I'm my par my wow I didn't look at it

like that that's what that's what I'm saying though like the I didn't that's the first time I've heard that no no no no no no this not they not like us it's not a virtual signal for Americans to dislike Canadians bro I'm listen Okay okay when he says they not like us wait we got finish though fellas when they say they not like us that is simply a battle between Kendrick and Drake that's all it is it is they not like us it is simply the same thing as if you're on the basketball court and

your team is up you like he they not with us they not with us it's the same thing now I get I get you know I get that y'all are Canadian I can see where you know a hit against Drake might might be like a personal sting but we can't we can't get lost in that because then that goes right back to what Dr Umar says right that letting a rat beef seep deeper into a culture that's already splintered is going to do far worse damage right so when Kendrick went in the studio and said

they not like us I don't want y'all to be out here thinking or put it out there that oh that is that's that's Drake saying Canada blacks are not blacks no it is simply hold you need to understand Americans are coming through with that like yes unequivocally bro like 100% there's if you look at I can show you comments right now on our IG of guys say oh you cheesing fam like literally get yeah because that's a funny line from but I also think two things can be true at the same time in other words

I believe it can be true that Kendrick that's not his intent of his message but at the same time it can be true that his fan base is using it to push that other message and so I believe then for clarity sake Kendrick is going to have to clarify that because it's one thing to have a beef with another artist right is something else to feed into a cultural narrative that Fosters division between brothers and sisters right and that would undermine the Pan africanist movie that was the first time when the they part I'm kind

of understanding what they're saying but I I I I I'm hoping that what you're saying happens to be the truth but K needs to clarify it and he also is going to need to rebuke his fan base for turning this turning this into anything other than a beef between two artists right because we can't afford that to undermine the panafrican unity that we have in the Western Hemisphere that's if he identifies as a pan africanist it doesn't matter if he identifies as a pan africanist is he sees himself as a black man right why would

you not see them as your brothers and sisters as well because if you're going to say that I'm black American versus American African you see yeah if he says I'm black American and I see myself completely different from black Canadians then he becomes a weapon of division and that's what I'm saying I'm saying that last part which is super important if it exists but it's never Kendrick's never been on record he's never been someone said well I'm a black American I don't know about them blacks over there he simply walked into he simply got he

got into a beef he said oh you got this song well I got this song and you got this song I got this song I'm with you I'm with this so but now though because the fan base has tried to turn it into something else you now have to speak to it it's like if somebody tries let me give you an example a couple years ago I beef with a brother in uh the conscious Community right talk and when I went at him I talked about him being a light-skinned supremist and you pale and you

albino and when I go to Africa everybody know I'm African I'm deep right I'm thinking this is just me and him but guess what my inbox started getting fled up with light-skinned Africans and I'm like damn Dr Umar you thinking you just going at him but you offended all these other lightskinned Africans who love you too you feel me so guess what I had to do I had to go public and make it clear that that was just me in the moment trying to get back at this one brother that as a panafrican is I

do not do lightskinn Supremacy I do not do darkk Supremacy I was simply coming at him because he was coming at me which could be the same as Drake and Kendrick so now Kendrick got to do what Dr Umar did and make that public statement apologize if in any way I assaulted my Canadian African brothers and sisters cuz this is just me going against Drake it wasn't me going against black Canada you feel me I he needs to do that for the sake of the race to keep the peace come that's what's happening that's what's

happening I wanted to ask some but no I'm glad you did I'm glad you did I'm glad you did yeah thank you for putting that in there cuz that that's super important to the conversation what you're saying most um but unfortunately it is the fan base and it's also other artists other rappers who have taken this beef on who have been spreading that message Joe Buton being one of them because he's been what exactly did Joe say well so if you canas the conversation around what Joe Button has been bringing up is the fact that

because Drake has even and said to himself that he he wasn't from the hood even in Canada he's not from the hood understood right and in the more recent years he's been aligning himself with a lot more of the gangster styled rappers 21 Savage future all these types of people and he's been coming he's been more aggressively on that side of things in the more recent years and it's been a cons a very very hard effort from Joe Buon push a T Kendrick Lamar now to take Drake down and the main thing that they go

and they use against him is the fact that you're not from the hood like you're not really gangster like that you're not really like that especally now In fairness though they do the same thing for American rappers who not that's 100% fact but the only difference so I could tolerate the hood thing yeah you know what I mean even though I don't think Hip-hop should be about that narrative CU there's enough blood being spilled on both sides of the Border I could tolerate that but I cannot tolerate the he's not black that's the part that

bothers me yeah and and it it super bothers me too and people from Toronto because we don't have anybody else to actually speak on it there's nobody that's prominent within the space from Canada that identifies um with black people the way we do in Canada to actually come out and be like hey listen we understand what you guys are saying but it's also different here we we do things differently we grew up differently and let me ask you this yeah and maybe he will at some point but one of my push backs would be why

hasn't Drake spoke to this and clarified that I'm a black man and maybe he might CU I'm sure he saw my breakfast club so maybe he will clarify but I think one of the things at least for those of us who serly seek that Unity with our brothers and sisters and other spaces I need to hear from him yeah who he is and what he stands for and I also believe again Kendrick Lamar needs to clarify that he was going at Drake and not a whole people but a question on that when it comes to

being an artist and maybe you can tap in about that as well Mouse but when it comes to being an artist when you come out like obviously your skin color will say okay he's black you can go look up and see their parents and say okay his mom is white his dad's black he's a rapper I'm sure he identifies as black what more cuz I haven't seen any other artists come out and say hey guys by the way like I'm black I've never seen anybody ever do that so what more does Drake have to do

other than actually first of all like being black himself tapping in with now you got to speak to it one of unfortunate obligations of a mixed race African I don't care if you Drake or the brother who lived down the street you have to clarify yeah your identity that's that has been true for all mixed race Africans throughout history definitely in modern times you have to clarify yeah you you understand like I had mixed race friends growing up they had to clarify where they stood because it's going to be hard for black people to be

comfortable with you if I don't know who you are in your mind you see what I'm saying we can't make the assumption that you identify as black because I know plenty of mixed race Africans who don't and they will make it clear to you I am not black I am multi-racial in other words I'm a little bit better than the rest of y'all don't include me you understand so Drake needs to do that and the longer he takes to do it yes for Dr um only speaking for myself the longer he takes to do it

the more I'm going to be inclined to believe that Kendrick's accusations about him identifying as a Jew and only as a black man when it's convenient may be true yeah if I'm going be patient he's a celebrity he got a lot he got to deal with but he GNA have to speak to that for me okay you understand but I just want to but I also do want to make it clear he's never he's never actually done that though I feel like cuz I saw in the in The Breakfast Club interview Charlamagne kind of planted

that that he hasn't come out and said that he's black but I feel like nobody no artist mixed race or not has ever done that all mixed race people have to do it though in other words I'm not holding Dr a different standard if your mix that's your standard for mixed race artists entertainers come out and period it ain't even just my standard if you look at the political experience of mixed race black people they have always had to make it clear to black people yes who they were yeah I've dated mixed race women it's

the same thing and would that have to be for you would that have to be a verbal statement or would that have to be how else would it it got to be both but it needs to be verbally declared because if you're saying I'm showing y'all I'm black but I never said I was black to me that's a cop out that's a cop out I'm showing y'all I'm black but I'm never saying I'm black why in the hell wouldn't I say it with my mouth it's the simplest quickest thing to do but we've never seen

any other mix race artists come up mixed race artists do you got Mariah Carey did it Holly Barry did it they had to come out and say it yes they did yes they do okay if if you're saying that you saw that then I'm going agree with you cuz you're saying that you saw that so I can't say that that's wrong but I in in more recent history I've never seen a mix race art like a rapper especially come and say I'm black oh by the way guys I'm black who but here's my thing especially

given the mistrust yeah that a lot of black people have toor's mixed race you have to declare it go to South Africa right if you grew up in the colored Community but you identify as a South African African as a black South African you got to let black South Africa know otherwise they going to assume you're another one of the Bouie lightskins you see what I'm saying my thing is it's it it has such a positive effect to let people know you identify with them mhm why would you go out of your way not to

I don't think he's going out out of his way not to I think matter of fact that's it CU you keep one thing and you're not wrong for this because the thing is is that you aren't actually very much informed on them specifically like the new no no but you're not he's never told the world proudly I am a black man and I'm black first the world needs to hear it and the longer he takes the more I'm inclined to believe he's more of a Jew than a black man that's not fair that's not fa

that's not fair no no no that's not fair that's not fair no no no no no because what what I think is that what what that sounds like is that you're kind of putting something on somebody where culturally it makes sense to you but culturally that might not make sense to somebody who's a black person that's raised in Toronto that's not something dealing with a Pan African who traveled the whole use on me I know Toronto I know culture in other places to make billions of dollars the same culture that he was raised on I

just asked question what culture did he use to make billions of dollars but you're saying used as if he's not asking a question no no he he used Black Culture but you're saying used as as if he's not a part of the culture though and all I'm saying is why don't he declare he's a part of the culture why why do you think why do you think he hasn't declared so so his whole said it apologetically if he said it showed me so I can but that's not fair that's not fair you know why that's

you know why that's no no no you know why that's not fair because you keep saying that he used Black Culture but Black Culture if he's not a part of it black culture has used Drake No what do you mean for what because the music industry is dominated by Europeans show up but when when but when Drake came in right and he's tapping in with all these different communities and these people had these feelings about him they still used him what do you mean who you who all the PE a CO let me tell you

something why didn't Kendrick Lamar say no to Drake when he brought him on his first benefit was by Direct I can agree with that that's I'm say as much as he gained others received from him I can deal with that but to his point yeah the reason he's still speaking of Drake as being an outsider he ain't made it clear he's an Insider and that's all is that's what I'm saying and you dealing with somebody political the hipop yeah and I'm not I'm not going to argue with you on that because it is very much

um your culture so no no is global when you are mixed race African you need to let people know in Jamaica if you mixed race Africa you need to let people know in Brazil if you mix race Africa you need to let people in New Jersey if you mix race Africa you need to let people know the rules don't differ because it's Drake he got to play by the same rules as every other member of the African race you understand I don't have a I don't have a a stake in Kendrick or Drake I'm telling

you from the outside as a political scientist and a pan-africanist why would this man as popular and successful as he is not make it unapologetically clear to the world I am a black African man okay so this is this is new Bottom Line This is new I don't think it would but this is new information no I don't think it would affect the bottom line at all I don't think it would at all cuz you're talking about the same person that's gone to Jamaica gone to Africa why people go to Jamaica and go to Africa

but wait gone to Jamaica and Africa and tapped in with the people there and brought them to more of a worldwide stage although white people have done that too yes white people but to their benefit as well okay but just say you black what's WR I'm not saying that's not I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it there's nothing wrong with saying you're black that's for sure I think Drake has done a lot in his career to show that he's black exactly keep on defending the point that he hasn't unapologetically made it clear how can

you skip that got you how can you skip that you're teach you're teaching us that this is something that you would actually want to see I feel like I've actually never heard stat and in Marcus garvey's Pana africanism in particular identity is critical you have to declare who you are and be proud of it that's the heart and soul of Garvey that's why if you notice in my work I don't deal with all this I'm not from Africa I'm Native American and I'm an indigenous and I'm an Aboriginal I reject all that crap because first

of all the word Native American came from white people the word indigenous came from white people the word Aboriginal came from white people the word African came from our ancestors predates Leo africanos that's a lie that a white man gave us Africa afraa those three syllables exist in ancient comedic sound vow in language that is our name you see what I'm saying but Drake needs to clarify clarify and with his father being from the United States as far as I'm concerned he could be considered an American African just born over there but that ain't the

point the point is make it clear you a black man so we ain't got all these questions okay got you got the way I look at it is somebody accusing you of being a homosexual and they say well he showed you he with girls he showed you he go to the clubs that don't mean nothing he could still be you see what I'm saying so Drake needs to clarify I don't know that he's a black has to come out and all right this not all right guys by the way I'm black we said that we

said that people need to know you're sexual yes what yes we said that 20 minutes ago yes come out and say I'm black okay okay so okay Drake needs so we've clarified Drake needs to come out and say that he's black but also let's not skip Kendrick needs to come out and clarify his they not like us statement because although that you have a perspective M um from maybe being like more on the inside and speaking to people that are like close to kener that social media is a very small microcosm into what real people

think for sure but still fan base is coming that way you got to address it yeah and remember like I I what I brought up to Dr Umar before like I've gone viral two times based on the Drake and Kendrick beef specifically one was all Kendrick lovers which means they're Drake haters there was so many comments on that video there's more comments than likes there's over there's like probably 4,000 comments now on that video and everybody is adding my name need y to send me I want to watch I want to see that later okay

cuz I didn't know so this is something I need to speak to you know what I mean because uh you know uh like I said we have these American African movements that weaponize American African identity against other Africans who come to the states right they belittle them they reject them they attack them they don't get me wrong the African immigrants aren't innocent some of them do the same stuff right I don't want to see the same thing happen between American Africans and Canadian Africans right because Canadian Africans they my family they ride hard with me

you know what I mean like I see no difference to be honest I tell people Canada the 51st state you want to be honest you know what I'm saying but I didn't know that this beef yes had those cultural implications and I wish I knew when I did the interview on The Breakfast Club knew too cuz I would have spoke to I didn't know it was that deep I thought it was just them too you're saying no that this is serving to undermine a relationship between two different African communities that's not acceptable got they both

need to deal with it thank you very much for clearing that up yes didn't know I did not know that I wish I knew because I would have spoke to it in that manner I didn't know beautiful beautiful what's your opinion on what's going on in Jamaica between the Chinese in Jamaica and the cultural um know nuances that's happening in Jamaica right now I just got invited uh by IR FM uh to Keynote the Marcus Garvey celebration in Ultra Ros obviously they just had a uh hurricane and we want to send uh love and support

to our Jamaican African brothers and sisters down on the island of Garvey and Marley we hope all goes well that there's a speedy recovery and reconstruction um and I'm hoping I get to make it down because I have Costa Rica on the 16th and 17th Jamaica wants three days but I already gave Costa Rica to 16th for 17th for Garvey so I'm waiting on Jamaica to see if they can just do the one day or we can table it and I can do all three days next year God willing but I've been to Jamaica several

times obviously it's my number one support island in the Caribbean it's like a second home to me uh I don't like the way in which the Jamaican government has allowed the Chinese to come in and take in take over I believe they own the major port there I believe that the Jamaican government has given them lands in exchange for services I believe they built at least one Hospital there a couple of schools uh they had constructed a North uh South Highway or Northwest Highway that connects one part of the island to the other so you

don't have to drive all the way around to get there which was necessary but from what I read in exchange for them building the highway uh the Jamaican government has allowed them to keep I believe nearly all of the toll fees on that Highway for a certain amount of years we're giving up too much to get too little and what bothers me the most about you know Jamaica they are the most pan-africanist and the most Unapologetic of the Caribbean islands and so if China can take Jamaica taking the rest of the Caribbean won't be that

difficult you know it's it's it's almost like with the migrant crisis in America once they take Chicago and New York the rest of Black America does doesn't stand a chance you know so I'm hoping that you know uh the Jamaican government begins to look in another Direction because this dependency on China is going to turn China into the global Empire to be honest they pretty much are when you look at the incursions in Africa you look at their incursions in the Caribbean you look at their incursions in Central and South America for the most part

China is the superpower of the world the Europeans are hanging on by a strand and with China's relationship with Russia I doubt very much that the United States wants to go to war with him um with that being said though I think speaking of Elections cuz America is coming up soon I think one of the things that the global white power structure has done to African people it has brainwashed us into thinking we can get with a vote that you can only get with a gun black people have been brainwashed into thinking that democracy can

replace war and it can't nothing that you need for liberation you will ever get through a vote I don't care if you live in Toronto Montreal I don't care if you live in Jamaica Nigeria I don't care if you live in Jersey New York Brazil Barbados what we need to do to get free will require Bloodshed we're not ready for it yet but we're not even trying to prepare ourselves for it if you think you're going to take back in peace what the white man spent 500 years taking in blood you living in a fairy

tale and one of the the reasons that democracy is so effective of keeping black people in their place is they have manipulated us into thinking that you can literally vote your way out of Oppression you can't there's going to have to be two revolutions there's going to have to be a revolution to overthrow the black bisi the [ __ ] Illuminati that's number one if we don't fight the fight with our own Gatekeepers ain't no need to fight the fight with the white man yeah that's number one you got to get rid of The Gatekeepers

globally you got to get rid of them in Canada you got to get rid of them in Africa you got to get rid of them in the states you got to get rid of them everywhere once you overthrow the global black bis then you go to war with the white power structure now don't get me wrong we ain't there yet we got a lot of organizing to do we got a lot of psychological reconstruction we got to do we got a lot of institution building we got to do we're not there yet military conflict is

the final stage of Revolution never the first never the first so we got other steps we need to take but we still need to be conscious of the fact whether it be us or our great grandkids blood will have to be shed not only for the Redemption of Africa but for the Redemption of African people beautifully said um going back into Jamaica real quick um so I'm Jamaican and I'm half Jamaican half St Vincent um I identify mostly As Jamaican though I ain't been to St Vincent yet yeah very beautiful place um majority of uh

Toronto's Black Culture is Jamaican majority of it just like in London yeah just like in London and similar to what New York was kind of back in the day um and what do you what what's your thoughts on Jamaica specifically as a island and the reason why I want to ask J the reason why I want to ask you is cuz I feel like you're so informed just about black people across the world and I've been looking just more into myself lately and just wondering like how does such a small place impact the entire world

so much because I don't think there's any country on the planet where you can go to any type of person and ask about Jamaica and they not know they know Bob Marley they know something they know weed whatever it is they know something about it so what your thoughts on Jamaica specifically and why you think that their culture is so popular across the planet well I believe that Jamaicans and when you study the history of the maafa the transatlantic slave trade many of those who were brought to Jamaica came from the Nigeria benan Cameroon Congo

region that is a very apologetic fight to the de region some of the ethnic Kingdoms in that region the white man didn't even want to enslave them because it was too difficult to break them Jamaicans still have that Spirit they are indomitable as a people it's no coincidence that it was a Jamaican Bookman who went to ATI and led the Haitian revolution you understand uh when you look at Nanny when you look at Kujo and a Aang Pang and all those revolutionary Jamaicans it's no coincidence that they had so many revolutionaries on that island because

they brought that African spirit that could never be broken and if African people are going to be free geographically in the Caribbean or globally across the world Jamaica will play a role in it just like when I go to Africa I say it all the time in order for Africa to be free Nigeria will have to play a role in it because of their indomitable Spirit you can see that the Jamaicans and the Nigerians have the same blood it's like in it's it's undeniable you so so number one that Spirit of Revolution and then when

you take the rasta culture and what that did and when you take Bob Marley's success and Reay and what that did and of course the greatest Pana africanist and greatest organizer of all time Marcus Garvey you know coming from Jamaica and others you understand but I think when you look at their National heroes in the panafrican impact that they had Bob Marley was a Pana africanist D rosta farry are pan-africanist Marcus Garvey the father of modern Pana africanism John Brown russworm the revolutionaries that came over out of there you know even to the slaver vote

leaders you know Sam sharp you know Paul ble when you look at the pan-africanist nature that is at the foundation of the Revolutionary Jamaican Spirit it helps you to understand why they are so uh Fe feared and loved around the world you know it's to the they're so Unapologetic that when some people are trying to kick off revolutionary movements they if they're not sincere they will scream for the Jamaicans they want to make sure I don't have no Jamaicans in this because I know when the Jamaicans come they come to war they come to fight

you don't invite the Jamaicans unless you sincere you understand because I would probably say per capita you know there's some of greatest revolutionaries that the race has ever produced wow thank you I know the Jamaican people especially in Toronto are definely going to appreciate that and I think a lot of Jamaicans don't understand the gravity of what Marcus Garvey accomplished oh for sure you know like I don't think most Africans do period yeah like how big the you unia was you were part of that right yes of course I was minister of Education yeah so

in Toronto for a long time I don't know if it's still there for the long time for a long time the oldest continuously owned piece of Marcus Garvey real estate was in Toronto they had a Liberty Hall there there was an elder there I met him many years ago probably a decade ago uh there was two the two oldest pieces of property in the unia uh if memory serves me correctly when I was minister of Education we talking 2004 2005 so this 20 years ago but at that time the two oldest pieces of Marcus Garvey

real estate was a Liberty Hall in Toronto or Montreal but I think it was Toronto and the Liberty Hall Hall in North Philadelphia which still stands how big is the uni uh I don't know the numbers now because although I'm still a member of the Detroit division uh I don't really participate as much as I used to because there's a lot of internal Dynamics there that I don't really want to be a part of you know but out of my love for Garvey and love for the unia and what it meant to African people I

do still belong and do my work through Detroit uh I don't really know the numbers right now but historically at height ballpark though uh I can't even guess the me really yeah now the president general of the unia he's based in New York City you know you could look him up but um historically though the Garvey movement had no less than 13 million that were accounted for at one time by the way that's 13 million at one time it's the largest black organization in modern history into the honorable Marcus garvey's credit he's the only leader

of a mass movement posts slavery that did not have to use religion to keep black people's attention that's perfect can we go into the religious topic there based off of off of that go ahead um so you've been kind of very outspoken about like religious leaders I think um specifically in the Joe but patreon episodes um you so he did release both episodes he there there were is out yes the second one and that was T the other day and say why Joe but a release part two so maybe that's on YouTube but I'm I

have Joe but's patreon and on the patreon the whole interview can be seen I watched both the interviews it's part one and part two okay so I can let them know what's yes um so and you you specifically called um religious leaders or past I think you were specifically talking about pastors U maybe the ones that you've experienced I'm not sure if that if you were being General when you were saying it but you called them kind of narcissists you said they're doing it a lot of the time for their own uh to fulfill their

egos um is that based on your experience or is that something that you believe as a whole and I'll go into something a little bit my dad's a pastor um and I've specifically washed in mind entire life he became a pastor I believe 2 years before I was born and I watched him my entire life not be that person not be the narcissist not do it for the money and really be first of all an activist within my community in Toronto um and actually helping people um one thing that you talk about a lot is

building institutions and he's definitely not been able to build a building as an institution but he himself has been an institution for people whether it's religion whether it's if you need groceries and you're broke he's done that for people he's done everything um so when you speak about pastes like that um is that based on your experience or is that based on something that you think is a general thing like do you think that for bed on my study of the institution of religion amongst African people all around the world historically and in modern times

got uh so there are exceptions to the rule okay my four times great grand Uncle a gentleman by the name of Bishop Henry excuse me I'm convinced I'm I'm confusing Bishop Henry Turner with um Bishop Alexander Wayman okay so Bishop Alexander Wayman who is the seventh Bishop under Richard island in the African and Methodist Episcopal Church that is my four times great grand Uncle my uh three times great-grandfather was married to his niece my grandmother Annie Wayman okay he was a manager of the Philadelphia Underground Railroad he fought against slavery I believe he helped recruit

for the Civil War he was a preacher preacher Bishop Henry mcneel Turner Was a Race man and a preacher most of my panafrican his forefathers were pastors Henry Hollen Garnett Pastor Alexander crummel Pastor Henry mcil Turner Pastor Edward Wilmont beden Pastor you follow me so I don't have an issue with the church because my panafrican is forefathers were of the church my issue is the way in which the black church has been reconstructed in modern time right into an institution of exploitation no longer an institution of Salvation in other words pastors and politicians are no

longer what they used to be for black people in this world right and when you look at the church it almost deifies poverty it almost deifies powerlessness the way in which religion is taught to black people makes them comfortable being oppressed it no longer has a revolutionary spirit because remember religion was at the heart of the Haitian revolution yeah but it was African religion Dr King was a past Malcolm was a Muslim you see so we've seen where religion was used as a revolutionary Force but how long has it been since we've seen religion be

used as a revolutionary force in my opinion religion takes three things from black people we cannot afford to waste too much of our time too much of our money and too much of our hope and energy the reason why governments are not afraid of black religion anymore because black religion protects the government by evangelizing oppression as if it's coming from God and not the white man in other words we got to wait on God to fix our problems as opposed to rising up against the white power structure and crushing it how many black preachers can

we say in Toronto right now or Montreal right now how many pastors can you look to that are fighting against the miseducation system in Canada fighting against and I've seen the unemployment fighting against the mass incarceration it's almost like here in America definitely is look at the major problems we have in Canada show me a black church that's at the Forefront not participating because anybody could go to a meeting anybody could join a March anybody could show up to a press conference show me a church that's at the Forefront I'm the leader we gonna fix

these schools I'm the leader we're going to get economic Justice you can't find them just like we can't find them here just like you can't find them in Africa the black church is no longer a Vanguard organization it is a parasite it is a spiritual parasite until it goes back to its traditional role remember now historically we fought the KKK through the church we got jobs through the church we buried out dead through the church life insurance through the church the black church was the Walmart of the black community whatever you needed they had it

what happened to that the black church is now serving itself it's no longer serving God and do you believe that um is that specifically with Christianity or do you think that other religions parastic now Christianity is the most capitalist minded of the religions okay Islam is not as capitalist minded but guess what it is still anti-revolutionary it is still anti-african culture in many regards I was raised Muslim Philadelphia has the largest percentage of African-American Sunni Orthodox Muslims in the United States Dearborn has the most Muslims overall but they aab if you're dealing with American Africans

non Nation of Islam Orthodox Muslim Philadelphia has more than any city in America I was raised in it I was raised in the very Masjid that I believe the Nation of Islam used to own you understand before w war de Muhammad took over his father's organization shut that down and came with the American Muslim movement I was raised in one of those Ms you understand but I had to walk away because I saw how we completely ignored black people's problems we completely ignored Black Culture we completely ignored the black reality it was all Islam learn

your Arabic and I'm like I'm up I'm a practicing Arab I'm not practicing Islam I'm practicing arabism why do I got to learn Arab language to worship God why do I got to eat like the Arab to worship God why do I got to dress like the Arab to worship God this is not the worship of God this is the deico of Arabic culture and that's why I walked away from it and now African spirituality is my Foundation but that would have never happened had I never go to Africa in 2005 and go into that

gory Island slave dungeon and them ancestors literally grabbed me that day and I went through a whole spiritual Renaissance in my hotel room literally that day and that's what brought me to African spirituality I speak in churches all the time I have nothing against the church there are some who do some good things but as a system black religion I don't care if you talking Islam Christianity Judaism black religion as a whole 7 Day event is Jehovah's Witnesses even African spirituality to an extent they have pushed colorblind philosophy on black people to our own detriment

every problem that the white man has introduced into the black community the black church has taken that problem evangelized it in a way that makes black people think it either ain't that bad or there nothing they can do about it until Jesus comes that's that's that's that's slave time religion and my issue with black religion is my thing issue with black politics why we still engaging in the same religious culture we engaged in on the plantation see on the plantation all you could do is pray to God cuz you was in Chains God had to

solve your problems you weren't allowed to do [ __ ] yeah now you $2 trillion do in America at least half as much in Canada you understand you got enough Revenue to do something for yourself now but we still on hands and knes begging God part of the science of prayer as I teach you pray for what you can't do you never pray for what you can do to pray for what you can do is an insult against the Creator you see what I'm saying yeah too often we're praying for what we can do God

ain't gonna respond to you why would God respond to you when you got the ability to do it yourself to ask of the Creator to do something for you that you can do yourself is to make a mockery of the most high so would you say that you're looking for kind of just more of an advancement of what that old culture is around religion okay reconstru reconstructed reconstruction and to your point that you opened up with I do believe that 99.9% of all religious leaders are in it for themselves got you I look at all

the brothers I know who went to jail came out opened up a church because it was the only hustle that was there you know I look at all the politicians Who Fell From Grace you know or or celebrities Fell From Grace opened up a church because it was the only hustle that was available you know what I mean like we we have to be honest you know although there are some people go into the ministry for the purpose of serving the lord most people go into politics and religion to serve themselves got you okay in

equal numbers you think in equal numbers people going into politics at the equal number or equal rate as people going into relig religion to serve themselves oh absolutely really and if you disagree with that show me a concrete practical benefit of black religion in Canada that our people have realized in the past 30 years something significant um I'd say Crawford so Crawford AVST um church I'm sorry what have they done give me the result I don't need to know so so basically um there's a school in Toronto called Crawford I went to the school okay

95% black some people at this at the school um black teachers as well and they have about a 95% graduation rates okay as well how long has Crawford been in existence um well over 30 years okay and how many students go to the schoolst school from grade from grade 1 to 12 I'd say about 200 to 300 kids I appreciate the fact that they have a school yeah mhm but I'm wondering though after 30 years mhm why do you only have one school my second question to you do I have to be a Christian to

go to that school no okay okay then I can live with that but they should have more than one by now um so I think the challenge is uh there's a they're Adventist and there's a bit of bureaucracy between the the channels of the Adventist um like board you know so I think they're kind of dealing with that yeah they're not big enough to they're just not big enough or popular enough to actually do that whereas cath under the Adventist umbrella the Adventist is a white congregation that's the that's the challenge why are they and

what's happening is that there an aventus be unapologetically African facts facts yeah facts yeah they're deal with that right now shout shout out to Crawford shout out to everybody went to Crawford um speaking of actually there's a lot of success stories that out of that matter of fact um the the other of other school Kingsway college is where dagos Cesar came from okay but um and salute the Crawford for the school CU that's a relevant institution Now give me a church that's involved in some serious political agitation against police brutality gentrification economic genocide mass incarceration

miseducation okay so I'd say Scaro SDA um they have a prison program that they do um where they go into the prisons and uhuh I ain't talking about no prison ministry okay what are they doing to fight against the system of mass incarceration we're trying we're trying I'm trying we're trying we're try now we Honestly though but uh it's it's what you're saying though is very important CU I just want y'all to see my point I'm not saying categorically every black church is a scam yeah I'm saying categorically the exceptions are few and and that's

why I'm happy you're kind of going into it because when you're on these interviews and I've been watching for a very long time like since high school time I've been graduated high school for more than 10 years I've been watching for a long time but I find that when you go into certain things you say it and then the interviewer has so many questions for example like charlot manne the other day there's so many questions get an hour of power it doesn't give you enough time to actually go into it and especially with a place

like Canada where if I watch your interview you're going to 100% like maybe 99.9% be talking to an American broadcast and you go into American politics Ander culture so you speaking like that regard in regards to Canada is important cuz we need a perspective from somebody like you who is well researched to actually give your opinion so that's why I'm happy that you're actually diving into it we're giving you a second to actually go and people can learn from it and actually understand what you mean cuz you're very entertaining and they're going to remember the

loudness and the yell whatever it is but they're but they're not going to actually get to listen to what you're saying you know what I mean so thank you for actually break that down and and speaking so eloquently and I'm looking forward to getting back to Canada I think October 5th and 6 yeah is what we shooting for right now so sure yeah definitely come out there like your name is so popular out there I feel like I feel like and I want to kind of dive into I don't know if you're ready for that

but I want to go into kind of like the social your social media personality okay and your personality outside of what you actually are standing for cuz I I find with you that you're an amazing marketer um and you're amazing at Getting By accient by accident cuz I I can tell that it's actually you you know what I mean it's not you're putting on a performance like I didn't know about Tik Tok until people made me get on Tik Tok they said you all over Tik Tok I said what is Tik Tok he said you

better get on there you got like a 20,000 memes you better gifts and so I got on Tik Tok CU I was forced to because everybody kept saying you need to get on Tik Tok and I saw all the fake pages in my name there's somebody with a three million follower page on Tik Tok oh my God called Prince of and it's nothing but Dr Umar clips and Tik Tok won't transfer over to me my damn page with all my you know what I mean well yeah so with you with you on social media you're

such a known person like I feel like anytime there's any situation that has to do with an interracial couple oh or anything interracial down it's at Dr Umar I've done it I've done it it comes the Undertaker music what's your opinion on being a meem man yeah yeah what do you think about that it's a double Ed sword it's a double Ed sword because I wouldn't be as popular as I am if it weren't for the [ __ ] right uh so I do appreciate and understand how the memes and the gifts have made me

to some respects a household name yes but at the flip side I think too much of the sensationalism undermines the seriousness of my mission and my work yeah right like the people who look at the memes I don't know if they know that I get de threats on a regular basis I don't know if they know sometime times I got to wear disguises when I go certain places you know what I mean I don't think they really understand that this man is a whole activist right it's not just the entertainment aspect of it so I

think sometimes I lose out on the seriousness because of the silliness but at the same time though here we go again with the balance the silliness has brought me a much younger audience yeah in the way I see it I see the silliness as a fishing net I catch them with it and then when they come to me they going get this gar you see what I'm saying and so it's the gift and the curse you got to take both world and that's I told you I've been watching your content from high school and that's

how I got familiar with you was from you know whatever happened it was funny and then I got to actually hear your message and how you speak and what you're actually doing um and yeah but I also think it's for two this too and what I mean by saying that is uh there's no way on Earth somebody could tell me Dr KH Abdul Muhammad or elhaj Malik El shabaz malol Ma or The Honorable Marcus Garvey or even kwami and Krum or Patrice Luma nobody could tell me that them with their serious revolutionary messages could end

up being one of the hottest topics on children's social media platforms like a Tik Tok or SnapChat right so for me I believe there had to be some Divine Design into that because I clearly wasn't looking for it didn't know how to do it you understand or bring it about it was purely organic so for me I'm just being I'm going to the spiritual a little bit here but for me as you know I'm working on a school and I want to put them schools everywhere Canada needs some too right uh I believe that the

Universe has given me this platform in preparation for whatever my next assignment is going to be the school piece is still there that's an assignment and I'm going to build the schools but I still think there's something else that the ancestors want from me and I believe this large platform that I have I believe it's a revolution in Waiting you understand I'm just waiting for the orders from the UN what do you want me to do with all these young people cuz I got them I got them definitely you know I have mothers today I'm

I bet you there's G to be a mother who comes up to me with their eight-year-old son and say my son made me come see you you know what I mean like I didn't even know you my eight-year-old son said I need to go see Dr Umar you know what I mean so I got all these young people and every day I'm just praying and asking how do I flip this into a movement because if I can flip all them into the mo into a and I got them globally globally Y what can I do

with them because I don't think there's ever been a black Consciousness personality definitely not one with the credentials that I have to be this successful amongst young people like all of our greats had had young followers but I don't think nobody has the under 30 or under 20 following that I got I think it's unprecedented but that's not not enough though I got to do something with them yeah and so that's why I'm waiting on my next assignment