Steve Jobs & Bill Gates interview 2007

[Music] [Music] like what you sit here the first Pichai accountant was interested in asking is what you think each has contributed to the computer and technology industry starting with you Steve for Bill and vice versa I think but the biggest thing was Bill was really focused on software before almost anybody else had a clue that it was really the software bill how about the contribution of Steven Apple well first I want to clarify I'm not fake Steve Jobs I actually looked at a at an Apple ad from 1978 it was a print ad at Georgia

ancient and and it said thousands of people have discovered the Apple computer thousand we had some very strange ads back then we had one where it was in a kitchen and there was a woman that looked like of the wife and she was typing in recipes on the computer with the husband looking on approvingly in the back yeah like that most we will some people here but I don't think most people know that there was actually a some Microsoft software in that Apple 2 computer do you want to talk about what happened there how that

how that occurred the original Apple 2 basic the innards were basic we had nothing to do with but then there was a floating point one where and I mostly worked with walls on that I made let me tell this story it was and so we're getting a lot of input that people want this basic to be floating point and like we're begging laws please please make this floating pose we how many people are in Apple me yeah the Bagan laws to make this floating point and he just never does it you know and he wrote

it by hand on paper and and how much was that I think you were telling sir it was $31,000 that Apple paid you for the floating-point basic I flew out to Apple I spent two days there getting the cassette the cassette tapes for the main ways that people stored things at the time I and that was fun and so we were working together the schedules run certain quality was uncertain the price when Steve first came up it was going to be a lot cheaper come sure then it ended up being that was fine so we

made this bet that the parent time shift would be graphics interface and particularly that the Macintosh would make that happen with 128k a memory 22 cabe which was for the screen buffer 14 K was for the operating system so it was 14 K yeah and we were actually negotiating a deal to invest and make some commitments on things with Gil Amelio next thing I knew Steve called me up and said don't worry about that negotiation with Gil Amelio you can just talk to me now and I said wow how do you look at yourselves in

this landscape today I mean you you are competitors in certain ways we watch the American Way right the commercials and you get annoyed at each other from I knew it I'd have to confess I like PC guy yeah he's great I am you know the thing part of those I know the art of those commercials is not to be me but it's actually for the guys to like each other Thanks hey see guys pc guys great I liked not a big part and in a few cases like the Zune that if you go over to

that group they think of Apple as a competitor they love the fact that apples created a gigantic market and they're going to try and come in and contribute something to that that and and we love them because they're all customers the same processor essentially that the Mac had this is one of those great ironies they were switching away from that processor while the Xbox 360 was adopting it but for good reasons actually in both cases we try and do things that way so that was the development system for the early people getting their software ready

for the introduction of of Xbox 360 and we never ran an ad on that I see admirable restraint as one there were hundreds of them Steve is so known for his restraint I assume you carry you carry tablet PC I don't know what brand it is maybe change them up I don't know you obviously carry a MacBook Pro I would guess or yeah well in an iPhone and an iPhone you have one I do right here yes he has when he took it out before what is the iPhone and are some of these other smart

phones and I know you make you believe that the iPhone is much better than these other smart phones at the moment but is there are these things aren't they really just computers in a different form factor you know we're working on some things that I can't talk about again again yeah but there is very beautiful or used to be a saying isn't it how to blow us away though a and wow it's there used to be a saying at Apple isn't it funny a ship that leaks from the top so uh vo that's kind of

like a sweater without sleeves as a vest I don't get that that was what they used to say about me when I was in my 20s it more personal question you we have a just a minute before we were gonna open up for questions what's the greatest I'm not going to call this the Barbara Walters moment and ask you what Reid like to be but what you would love to be Bevan Walters let me just tell you no I would not what's the greatest misunderstanding dang right but thank you Steve about your relationship I mean

you're obviously going to go down in history history books already said kind of thing but what's the greatest misunderstand between you in your relationship and about each other what would you say would be this idea of catfight this idea of what which one of the many we've kept our marriage secret for over a decade now Danna de that trip to Canada [Laughter] was there generally we were both the youngest guys in the room right individually or together I'm about six months older than he is but roughly the same age and now when we're working at

our respective companies I know about you but I'm the oldest guy in the room most of the time and that's why I love being here so happy to oblige happy to oblige and you know I think of I think of most things in life as either a Bob Dylan or a Beatles song but there's that that one line and that one Beatles song you and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead and that's that's clearly true here hey well you know what I think we should end it there let's just end

it there I'm a little tear right here thank you thank you very much [Applause] you