The Secrets of Frequencies (sonic control (440hz), spiritual grids, & portals) w/Laura Sanger

Our bodies absorb sound and frequencies through every pore. Written words have a frequency that changes the structure of the water molecule. Imagine what lyrics do to our body. Any replacement will become an idol, and any idol will build an altar. Any altar will open up portals. They just looked at people's mood after listening to music tuned to 440 versus 432. People reported an increase of negative mood after listening to music tuned to 440 hertz. We asked the Holy Spirit, "What did we miss?" And the Holy Spirit said, "You didn't invite my presence into the

void you just created." They said, "There are doors that will open for the voice that sings that will never open for the voice that speaks." The occult, the Luciferians, they understand the importance of opening up portals and territories and altars for their activity. Your body's changed through the traumatic effect of having to sell out to something, and you don't know how to live anymore. When we worship, we are actually doing war not just here and now, but for generations to come. See, if you can figure out a way to worship for 20 minutes and not

feel different. Everyone wants to get to the high places. But if you want to go high, you first have to go deep. What's up, guys? Welcome back to the deep end. We're here. We are ready to go. What's up, Jake? What up? How you doing? Good. We're recording in the afternoon. We are, which is different. We usually record in the mornings, but we're testing some things out, and we just... it was good. Today is my birthday. Happy birthday! Big 36. Would you let us sing Happy Birthday on the show? Nope. No. Okay. So, hey, we

have a guest with us today. Her name is Dr. Laura Sanger. And Dr. Laura Sanger, if you've never heard of this woman, sometimes you listen to people, and it's like, "Well, yeah, that person has the mind of Christ." How? Well, it's just something about their ability that God has given them to sift through data and details and to do research. It's not totally a normal thing. And then recommunicate it in a way that people can understand. Dr. Laura is a best-selling author. She runs—what's no longer enslaved is the ministry—and your kind of purpose and your

prayer is that you would equip people with the tools necessary to walk in victory with Jesus, which is a beautiful mission. So, thanks for being here, first of all. Thanks for having me on your birthday. It's wonderful to be here. It's the best day. The best day is the day that Taylor Welch was born. I just want to invite you on this day. Fantastic. I feel honored. Dr. Laura, she's a retired psychologist, so she's probably profiling me right now. She's like, "Got it. Narcissism." Okay, we'll work on that later. Nephilim host. No, they don't even

know what a Nephilim host is. Alright. Let's start going. Let's go to the deep waters. We're going to talk about today. We're going to talk about worship, music, frequencies. Apparently, now we got to talk about Nephilim hosts so that people know I'm not a Nephilim host. That's right. So maybe let's start there, like the shallower end of the pool. You have a book called The Roots of the Federal Reserve. Yes. Nephilim and the Roots of the Federal Reserve. Can you quickly give us a cursory unpacking of your research on that because we're going to go

back to that era, and we're going to talk about music? Yes. I actually have two books. So, Roots of the Federal Reserve is the first one. Generation Hoodwinked is the second one. With the Roots of the Federal Reserve, what I do is trace the Nephilim agenda from the days of Noah to our current debt enslavement system we call the Federal Reserve. Nice. It was a massive undertaking, but it was a scavenger hunt with the Holy Spirit, which I absolutely love. I had no idea when I started writing the book that I was even writing a

book. I thought I was doing a spiritual mapping prayer brief, and the Lord just kept digging and showing me, and I just followed the lead, and I had so many paradigm shifts even in writing that book. So it was a blast to write. It was released in November of 2020, and then Generation Hoodwinked was just released or published, I think it was August of 2024. What's that one about? That one is essentially providing a pathway out of the dark caverns of mind control. So it's uncovering the ways that the Nephilim agenda is trying to strangle

the lifeblood out of humanity. That one was actually birthed out of both a dream and a vision. Before the Roots of the Federal Reserve was published, I had this dream. In the dream, a publisher came to me and said, "If you'll write a book about how AI has stolen the vocal cords of our children, I'll publish it." Then I had—that was in May of 2020—and then in October of 2020, I had a vision. Jesus came to me. I was awake. He came to me and took me by my hand, and we walked down this dirt

pathway into an underground cave at the base of a mountain. He then took me inside this dark cavern. I couldn't see anything until he released his breath, and it billowed out like this blue light, allowing me to see that there were children. In cages lining the walls of this cavern, and they were plugged into the walls. Oh my gosh. And so he turned to me and he said, "Take the key of David and go unlock the cages." And so I did, and I unplugged the children from the walls, and many of them ran to the

arms of Jesus. But there were some that remained in the cages, and I realized it was because they were programmed to stay. And so he said, "Take your sword and go demolish those cages." Well, as I'm having that vision, the Holy Spirit is giving me revelation that, you know, the lockdowns, the school closures that forced our children onto their devices— you know, for schooling, for social interaction, for entertainment— and that was all by design because that allowed Nephilim hosts to collect AI data on our children to hoodwink them. So, um, at that point, Jesus was

showing me that we have a whole generation, not just children, but adults as well, that have been hoodwinked, and it's time to set the captives free. So, that's why I wrote that book. That sounds incredible! I have to read that book. Well, I gave it to you for your birthday. Praise God for you! So, you said you had this dream in October— October of 2020. Published in November? No. So, then The Roots of the Federal Reserve published in November. So, I had already written it. I was like, "You wrote this book in a month?" No,

I'm not one of those people. It took me four years to write The Roots of the Federal Reserve and then Generation Hoodwinked. I didn't start writing; it took me about a year and a half once I started writing that one. Wow. Okay. I can't wait to read that one. I'm going to have probably questions for you after I read it. AI is a fascinating topic. It is. Um, I don't know if we were ready. We're... It's too early in the show to get there, so maybe we'll save that for like 30 minutes. We don't want

to drown everyone right at the beginning. Is that a good call? Yeah, good idea. Yeah. Okay. Um, cool. So, when you... I have a question before we get into the subject, because now I'm curious about that slavery and how it started. Uh, do you see this situation getting better? Like, have you gotten any revelation on that? Like, are we going to trend in a good direction here, or is it just going to get worse and worse and worse until the return of Jesus? Well, that's a great question as far as the Federal Reserve is concerned.

Yeah. Um, I see movement in a positive direction, um, in the sense of—well, first of all, Doge is going after, you know, all the corruption in government, exposing things that, you know, we as Americans have understood: our government is pretty darn corrupt. Um, and then also them going after, like, doing a full audit on the gold at Fort Knox, I think is really positive because that could revalue gold. And I think in order to get back on track, we have to get away from fiat currency, which is essentially currency that's backed by nothing. So getting

back to a gold-backed currency, I think, is really important. And one of the things that, you know, all throughout history, nations that debase their currencies always fail. Yeah. And so, all throughout history, fiat currencies have failed 100% of the time. And we are 54 years into our fiat currency system. So, in order for our nation to thrive, we really have to move away from that. So, I think there are some positive signs. Um, I think another positive sign is that, uh, Trump, he signed an executive order, I believe it was January 23rd, uh, banning CBDCs—central

bank digital currencies. I think that's really positive because the central bank digital currency could take us right into Orwellian conditions because they can actually trace and program, uh, CBDCs. So, the fact that there was that ban and then, uh, Mike Lee—Senator Mike Lee from Utah—he's got a bill to permanently ban the CBDC, which would be very positive. Yeah. Okay. Uh, for those who are just kind of getting up to speed on this, like, essentially it was what, 1914, 1912, 1913, the Federal Reserve? Did you notice I did the bookends? Great job. I was so close,

but so far at the same time. Story of my life. And then was it '71 something when it became... ? 1971? Yeah. Officially, it was like, if you didn't turn your gold in, you would get arrested. Um, and this is what has caused rampant inflation. This is the time preference of money switch. So, for generations, people would save money to pass an inheritance to their kids. And now you're saving a devaluing asset. It makes you more money to spend your money than to save your money. So, the whole thing got twisted. Did you read... Do

you— There's a book up there on the shelf called The Creature from Jekyll Island? Yes. That's what started me on my path. Did it? Mhm. Okay. That book freaked me out. Did it? Yeah. Yeah. I was like, "My whole life is a lie." Like, "Money is bad. I don't know what to do with it." Um, so I'm assuming in this book you go into, um, the group of men... I do, on that island. Yes. Yes. Everybody should buy this book right now and read it. The thing that sets my book apart from The Creature from

Jekyll Island is I look at the spiritual roots, yes, of what created the Federal Reserve, and I go all the way back in history, um, to the days of Noah and I trace the... Nephilim all the way to our current day. Have you read this book? Mm—no. The Creature of Jekal Island or her book? No, her book, "The We've." We're about like a couple hours in. Nice. Okay. It's really interesting so far. Okay. Really good. I'm going to read it, but I'm just going to say right now, I'm going to love this book because I

know you now. And then knowing the history of everything is phenomenal. So, um, we don't have to spend the whole episode on it; I would spend the whole episode on money. We don't have to. People already think I'm obsessed with money, but forget them. Music. Let's talk about music because one of the things that you're so good at doing is tracing a historical arc and a historical narrative. It's really difficult to understand where we are if we don't understand where we came from, right? And then we don't know what to do about it. So, this

is something I think that I've heard you talk about before. Um, but can you tell us the story about how you were driving here? I want to know what God has told you about this show because you have an interesting way; before you go on episodes, you pray about it, you get downloads from heaven, you talk about it, and then you were telling me earlier you got twisted around a little bit. Can you just tell us how you got here? Because it's fascinating. Sure. Yeah. So, one of the things that the Lord showed me several

years back when I first started doing podcast interviews, um, I love being on the receiving end, listening to somebody who has spent the time asking the Lord what exactly they should say because when I'm on the receiving end, whether that's at a conference, at church, or wherever, the Holy Spirit will bring revelation, will bring confirmation of things that He's been showing me. The person will say something, whether that's a story or a phrase or anything like that. So I told the Lord that I want to be a conduit of that because I love being on

the receiving end. And so then He said, "Then ask me for the scrolls." And so that's what I do when I speak; I ask the Lord for the scrolls. What does this look like? What are the stories you want me to tell? What is the message that you want me to bring? And it never ceases to amaze me. That's what I'm trying to say, in that people will respond to what I say, and they will say, "You said exactly what I was thinking" or "The Lord's been showing me that," or you know, things that I

say will unlock things that they're thinking about—revelation. So I just am grateful for that opportunity to share. So, in coming here, I felt like the Lord really wanted me to focus on the role of music in the seed war and how the enemy has weaponized music and also how our worship can actually be a weapon of warfare. And so when I was driving here, I got a little bit turned around. I was supposed to take the 65, and I missed my exit, and I ended up on the 440. I realized it went right past the

Parthenon, and the Holy Spirit just started putting two and two together for me because 440 hertz is a destructive frequency, and there's a lot of spiritual dynamics connected to that—what the enemy is trying to do. And the Parthenon here in Nashville has a lot of spiritual dynamics attached to it. Well, what's interesting is I was in Greece two summers ago at the Parthenon, and that entire trip, we walked in the footsteps of Apostle Paul. So we were all over Greece up into Turkey because we went to Ephesus, and the Lord just began revealing the significance

of worship and worship in spirit and in truth. Um, I feel like there's some connection with Athens, with Greece, and what the Lord is wanting to do here in Nashville and the sound that gets released. And so I'm just grateful to be here on this land talking about music because, for me, it all began when I came here the very first time in 2007 for the Call Nashville, which is a 12-hour prayer and fasting event. I was a youth minister at the time. We brought youth with us, some young adults, and it was such a

profound experience for me. I had been to a couple of other calls, but the one here in Nashville—there was something inside of me that got ignited and connected with the land. And so, since I've been back, every time I set foot on the land, sometimes I'm brought to tears just being on the land. I feel like there is something very weighty and significant that the Lord wants to do in the sound that gets released from Nashville. I feel like there’s defilement in the sound that comes forth sometimes and that needs to be cleansed, and He's

in the business of doing that, and so it is incredible to be able to be part of that. Where do you live? Salt Lake City. Okay. We were just literally just there. We should have hung out with you! Yes, you should have! Well, now you know. We would have just taken you out on the town and partied. and cleansed the bars, and we actually didn't go to a bar one time. That was your first time. We literally worked the entire time we were in Salt Lake City. Well, you should move to Nashville. You're welcome. Anytime.

Thank you. Yeah, come on out. Um, can I–I have a really weird question that I forgot to ask you that has nothing to do with this. Can we’ll get back to music in a second. Um, cryptocurrency: is that good or bad? I'm sorry. I have just stuck on–it was stuck on your head, wasn't it? I'm stuck on the money again. Do you like crypto or not? Um, personally, the Lord has not directed me to get involved in cryptocurrency just for our—just go ask for the scrolls. Tell me what you find. Okay. I want to know

what to buy. I'm sorry. Keep going. Um, so I haven’t invested in any cryptocurrency personally. Um, and there's—I just have a check in my spirit. I don't know if that's because of cryptocurrency or just because of what the Lord has called me to not get involved in it. Got it. Um, and I don't, again, I'm not sure if that is related to mixture. There's a lot of things that many people can do, and I can't just because of the things that the Lord has called me to walk in. So, I don't know if cryptocurrency fits

in that. I don't have clarity on that. Thank you. And apologies, but thank you for—I had to get that scratched off before we moved on. Um, so, it's interesting that you got turned around. Does God ever speak to you in ways that are just, like, um, like random like that? Like you'll miss your exit or you forget something, and then God shows up? Mhm. For sure. Does He ever do that to you? Not with driving. I haven't had that problem. So this is like—I’ve been problem. It's not a problem—getting turned around constantly. I guess that's

not the worst thing. Rule number one: don't disrespect the guest. True. Let's work on that. This is probably the second time I've done that by accident. Yeah, that's okay. Yesterday, um, I'm just teasing. Do I have encounters with the Holy Spirit? 100%. Well, no. I just want to say this because, um, every once in a while there will be something that happens that I think is an error or something, and then God will speak to me through it. So, like, yesterday when I was journaling in an app called Day One, um, Lizzie and I had

just gotten done eating dinner. I came into my office because I was having like a—I was just a little frustrated with some things. So, I came in; I was going to write down what I felt like I wanted me to do in the next season. And so, I'm typing—you know that stupid autocorrect on your iPad? Mhm. So every time I would hit enter, for some weird reason, it would autocorrect the last word to "more," and I got so frustrated. Then I eventually felt the Holy Spirit say, "Ask me for more." I was sitting down, typing

out my notes, and that stuff has been happening to me more and more where it's like I will get—you know, like for you, it sounds like you get turned around with directions, and then it's like, "Ah, this is where I wanted you to go." For me, sometimes it's tech issues, and God will speak to me through that. It's almost like a call to people listening to, like, don’t just try to fix it. Ask God what He's trying to communicate to you in that moment. Just thought that was interesting. Um, with music and the story about

the Parthenon, can you take us back to where it all began so that we can understand a bit of our history? The history specifically of music because I think worship and music are not always the same thing, but they're definitely connected together. And so, how did the defilement happen at first so we can understand what to do about it? Yeah. So one of the things that I love to do is go back to the origins, and um, I think it's so important to understand the roots of it. Like you said, if it's defiled, we have

to know that so that we can cleanse it and walk in the opposite spirit, so to speak. So, uh, in going back in human history, the first human musician recorded in scripture is Jubal, and um, he was the eighth generation from Adam. So this is, you know, not long into human history. And what's interesting is his father was the first polygamist recorded in history. His father walked in that same murderous spirit as Cain. So what happens is his father, um, murders somebody because, you know, this younger person, um, didn't treat him well, and so he

just murdered him. Well, there's no indication that that generational iniquity was cleansed through repentance. And so with generational iniquity, if it's not cleansed, it can flow from generation to generation. And so most likely Jubal would have been operating in that same generational iniquity. Now when you look at scripture, he was the first, um, person to invent musical instruments. So that means through a defiled bloodline, music enters into human history. But thankfully that's not the origin of music because we know music originated or existed in heaven. You know, Lucifer certainly was created with music as part

of his very being. So he had timbrels or tambourines as part of his being, and that was so that he could fulfill his role. In heaven, as the music minister, um, but in doing that, he became enamored with his own beauty and his own glory. And I think about, you know, when you think about musicians and when they're chasing the top of the charts, that's exactly what Lucifer was doing. He was chasing the top of the charts. And so defilement was found in him. And, um, but thankfully that is also not the origin of music.

We know music originated with Yahweh, and it's part of His being. I love Zephaniah 3:17 because it talks about how the Father sings over us. I had, um, a recent experience where I was in Omaha, in downtown Omaha at the Olds Market, which is probably, I think she said it's the second darkest place in downtown Omaha. Um, and there's a ministry there called Gather at the Table, and it's a prayer house and also a restaurant. When I walked into that prayer house for the first time, it was like the Father, the presence of the Lord,

just overwhelmed me. It was one of the few times I felt like the Father scooped me up like this little girl and sang over me. I kept telling people, "I feel like He’s singing a lullaby over me." The peace of God was so tangible. I love that the Father sings over us, but not only that, He taught His angels how to sing so that music could be incorporated in establishing the earth. That's part of music's original intent: to birth, to bring forth life, and to create, but Lucifer introduced defilement in it. And so it's been

a battleground ever since. So how do you get God to sing over you? Is that just something He does? Like, what was it about that place that made you tap into that? Well, they’ve stewarded the land really well there, um, in that they pray and worship all the time in this space. When I walked in, we were a little bit late because we had just arrived from the airport, and they were having a prayer and worship service. The gal leading worship was maybe 19; I think she was, and her heart was so pure. You just

felt the purity. This is somebody who has no interest in becoming, like, a famous worship musician. Yeah. She was just prophetically leading worship. I mean, we would sing maybe a song or two that had lyrics, but aside from that, she would just flow prophetically and sing. The purity in her heart and that heart posture in worship; the peace of God was tangible. That’s what I believe the Father was moving through her and singing over us. That’s how I felt, um, when He scooped me up in His arms. That’s awesome. Have you ever done studies on

altars and ley lines and how music ties into these things? Yeah, I mean, I've done a lot with, um, ley lines, spiritual mapping, spiritual gates, spiritual grids, that sort of thing. Musically, I think that's why it's so important to speak about this here in the land of Nashville. Um, now I haven't done a lot of spiritual mapping research on Nashville, uh, or the greater Nashville area, but back to 440, um, the freeway 440 being right next to that Parthenon. I need to look; I was having a conversation with Todd Smith about it a while back.

He's part of SA, and I think he was telling me that there are some recording studios right off of 440. Um, and so just spiritually, what will happen is you will see physical manifestations of what's happening spiritually over a city. Mhm. And so, um, it just highlights the importance of paying attention to what you see in the physical realm and then asking the Holy Spirit, "Okay, what's here spiritually? What's going on? How is that impacting the sounds that are coming forth from this land?" Yeah, a couple of years ago, our church did an album recording

at the Ryman downtown, and the Ryman was a huge revival location in the late 1800s. It was special because now the Ryman is like a venue; the Grand Ole Opry was there, and there's just been a ton of stuff that's happened. But one of the things that my pastor said at the beginning is, "We're returning to its original design." When you talk about Nashville, you know, Music City, whatever, it’s like we seem to be returning the land back to its original design, which is to worship. If we don’t worship, the rocks will start worshiping. That's

what the land wants to do, right? Everything wants to worship all the time. You seem to be a really, really important voice. Um, which is funny because I don't think you're, like, a musician. I'm not at all. Just like—go figure!—like the scrolls. But you're an important voice because you're actually teaching a lot of musicians how to not just write a song and publish it, but write things that will return the land to the original ancient order of worshiping God. I mean, it makes me want to be—I always wanted to be a musician—and it makes me

grateful for the gift of music, cause there's a partnership invitation if you understand what's happening. Um, anything you want to add? 'Cause I'm just going to go off down my list of questions. For I just think it's really cool what you're doing. I think it's amazing. I love that you're in Salt Lake, but your impact on Nashville is citywide. Like, a lot—I've talked to a lot of musicians, and they know who you are. They're like, "Oh, we love Laura Sanger." And I mean, we've talked about this plenty of times, but even the church I do

worship at, because of your episode, the stuff that you're doing has literally made it easier for us to get into, as we've talked about on the show, the presence of God, just from changing the frequency—the tuning that we tune our instruments to. We changed it to, uh, I think we listened to the episode; three other people in my church listened to the same episode I was listening to that you did with Blurry Creatures about 440 and the hertz and frequency stuff, and we changed it. And literally, a couple of weeks after we changed it from

440—I know you suggest 444, but I ended up doing 432, which ended up being great for me—people in our church started coming up to me, and literally these are just some older, some younger, and they were like, "Hey, something changed!" We're used to the presence of the Lord showing up, but there's been something different that's happened the past month and a half. That's awesome! And they had no idea that we had changed just the frequency. And that's literally worship; it changes culture. It changes everything. So I think it's really cool, and there’s definitely a lot

to unpack, but it’s making a lot of impact already. So, well said. So frequency warfare, if that's maybe how you could define it. Mhm. Um, how deep have you gone into, like, when that started in America? Um, and the specifically the frequency shifts that have happened. You can't even get, like, most recording gear to get into 444. I mean, you can, but it doesn't sound right. Like, didn't you have one of your audio interfaces break when you tried to record? It doesn't break, but it doesn't work well. Like, it's very difficult to get it to

move everything into 444, and then like if you're recording, you've got your in-out that doesn't like moving things, so you can move software instruments to 444. If you're not a musician, you have no idea what we're talking about, but it's fine. But for me, it like—it doesn't want to do it. Essentially, it’s almost like the hardware doesn't want to; it's not designed for it. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Okay, why? Well, so if we go back, um, in the 1930s, the Rothschild-Rockefeller Alliance, they began funding scientific studies to look at how musical frequencies can prepare

the masses for war. And that's because they wanted to control people. They want that mind control programming. And so, in 1938, there was, um, a gentleman named Harold Burrus Meyer, and he was a theatrical designer and a sound engineer, and he began developing techniques that would control the emotional response of audiences and create mass hysteria. And so from there, um, you have this, you know, this Rockefeller-Rothschild alliance. What they were doing is, um, not only were they looking at ways to steer the masses, but they wanted to change the standard tuning of A to 440

hertz. So in 1939, um, they began funding Joseph Goebbels, who was the Nazi propagandist, and at that time, Joseph Goebbels wanted to change the standard tuning of A. He organized a meeting in London to do that. Now, up until that time, the standard tuning of A was set at 435 hertz, and that was from a conference in Vienna in 1889, but they wanted to shift it to 440 hertz. And so, um, Radio Berlin approached the British Standards Association and asked if they would organize this conference in London, which was a total setup, um, in which,

you know, the powers that be had control of what the outcome was going to be. And they didn't invite any of the French musicians because, uh, they were opposed to 440 hertz. And then the organizers of the conference, you know, they interviewed the musicians, the instrument makers, the physicists, and then also, um, the sound engineers. And if any of those people were against 440 hertz, then they weren't invited to the conference. It was all controlled. And you know, as a result, it's not surprising that the standard tuning of A was changed to 440 hertz. And

that happened in June 1939, just months before World War II broke out. And the timing of that is no coincidence because 440 hertz is a destructive frequency. And that, you know, it can retrain our thoughts, um, towards disharmony, disruption, and disunity. And it really, you know—What year was this? 1939. Okay, super quick. So this was after the—Have you looked at the Rife machine? I have. Yes, this was after that where you had that doctor using frequency to destroy bacteria. Remember what year that was? I have it pulled up. It's 19—um—34. He used the machine. So,

I'll just read. He knew that everything vibrates at its own actual frequency, which we know this now through quantum physics. Um, he believed that if he could discover the frequencies of disease-causing microorganisms, he could destroy them with the same vibrational frequency. And in 1934, he used the machine to cure 16 terminally ill patients with cancer. The first 14 recovered in 70 days. So he had all this research, and then it sounds like in 1939... Mhm. So they would probably have been aware of this. So it might... have just it might have been like war and

sickness together. They wanted the world to be controllable. Absolutely. Well, and I think, um, they got rid of him. Royal Reich is my hunch; is that they were the ones that took him out because, you know, he was curing cancer, and they couldn't have that because Rockefeller was big into pharmaceuticals, and, um, that would destroy the pharmaceutical industry. So, it's all interwoven for sure. What were you going to say? I was just going to ask, because especially for people who aren't musicians, I've tried to explain it, so I don't know how to do it well

and make it simple. Do you know how to simply explain what tuning A to 440 is? I have tried to explain it. When I tell people that, they have no idea what I'm talking about. Do you know how to explain that to a non-musician in a simple way? Um, as a musician, it would be hard. How? Let me ask Chad. Can I give it a shot? Yeah, great. That'd be a non-musician. Yeah, that would be... that's the best person to explain it. I'm so sorry. You'd be the best person to ask, actually. Um, hopefully this

makes sense, but my simple understanding is, like, if my son, who plays guitar, if he were to pick up his guitar and his tuner on his app, mhm, it's already set; all tuners are set to 440 hertz, right? So, when you go to tune your instrument, you know, you'll get the little green light that says yes, the… what is it? The A… in tune. It's in tune. And you just go through all the strings. It's automatically tuning to 440 Hz. So, what we found for him is there's a particular app, I think it's Guitar Tuna

or something like that. Yeah, that's it. Yep. Yep. Where you can go into the setting and just change it to 444, and then you pick up your stringed instrument and you tune to that, and then you've automatically set your, um, instrument to 444. Mhm. Yep, that makes sense. The mechanical view is like, it's basically how many times per second something is vibrating. So, like a guitar, everything we hear is basically stuff bouncing off of stuff. I don't know if you've done the studies on, like, technically, sounds never die ever; they believe that they go lower

and lower and lower. But the... so, like, what we're saying right now is a vibrational frequency hitting the air and bouncing off. It's bouncing off of this, and so you're capturing it, and then that's sending a vibration out, and so it's there forever. Mhm. So, it gets... the bounces get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, but it never fully goes away. So, this would be controversial, but everything true is controversial. So, I would assume it's true, like the things that were said 5,000 years ago are still just bouncing around, but you can't hear them

because they're so small. Okay, so I have a couple of examples of that. Yes. So, um, in scripture, when in Deuteronomy, when Moses—or no, it's Exodus—when they come out of the Red Sea, and they're, um, you know, they watch the Egyptians get swallowed up. Mhm. Uh, Moses releases this prophetic song. Well, in that song, he sings very specific things. And one of them is that, um, the hearts of the Canaanites will melt in fear. Um, they'll melt like wax. That type of stuff. Yeah. And so then, 40 years later—so that song reverberates throughout the generations—40

years later when the spies go into Jericho, Rahab, um, declares three of the things that Moses spoke and prophesied in that song. And you look at the Hebrew words, and they're the exact Hebrew words that she used about, you know, they were, um, they were shaken in fear to the point where they were trembling and they were melting. And so it reverberates throughout the earth. And that's one of the things that I've been, um, the Lord's been giving me—that message that when we worship, we are actually doing war not just here and now, but for

generations to come. Exactly. Yep. So, when I was in Philippi, um, on this trip in Greece, um, I had an incredible experience. So, um, we got to go to where Paul and Silas's prison was, and we get up to where the jail cell is, and I just have this profound encounter with the Lord. And it's the land itself, like the worship that they released in that land when they were, um, jailed, you know, they had... they had been stripped in the marketplace. They had been flogged, which you know, Roman floggings could include being beaten with

a metal rod, um, on their feet to the point most of the time people were crippled from that; that or they would beat them all over the body, and most people would die. So, we don't know the extent of it, but we can be sure, you know, the Romans were brutal in their punishment. So, they were, Paul and Silas were stripped naked, they were flogged, and then they were thrown into prison, and, um, their feet placed in stocks so they couldn't move. And at midnight, when you think they would be completely exhausted—I mean, I would

be passed out from sheer pain and exhaustion—yeah. There they were. They were worshiping, and they were praising the Lord, so much so that the sound that they released shook the earth. And when I was there, that sound—like, I didn't hear an audible sound, but I felt it. I felt it in the land. And I just... when I got there, there was tons of... People around. And I went to the opening to where the jail was. And then I just pulled back, and I sat there with my eyes closed, and I just wept because of the

worship that was offered up in that place. And it was still reverberating in the earth realm. I had to pull away because, you know, there were just a lot of people. I thought I was in line, and they kept interrupting. So I went and just pulled away to the side of the hill and had an experience with angels that kept coming and bringing me things. I knew it was connected to the worship that was there and that the Lord was depositing things in me that He wanted me to bring, and I would know what it

was and when I was to release it. So when we worship, we have to recognize that not only are we worshiping the King of Kings and that worship is glorifying Him, but it’s also setting the captives free—both here and now, but in generations to come. Yeah. And so when you set foot on land like that, you feel it. Yep. Yep. Two things to add to that. I think I haven't shared this full story before, and I don't have permission, but there's somebody that I know who got radically saved. He moved into a house in Texas

that was haunted—legitimately, and there were ley lines all over the place. He was seeing people. Weird stories. We’ll probably try to have him out at some point to share this. The ministers that he found were some obscure ones; it's so funny because the woman was a Spirit-filled deliverance person. He was like, "I didn't know what that meant. I just thought that she could talk to spirits." She wasn't Spirit-filled. We think of, "Oh yeah, that’s Holy Spirit." So he thought if she could talk to spirits, maybe she’d be able to help him. She was filled with

the Holy Spirit, and she was gifted in deliverance. She sang over the land worship songs, and that’s part of how she said this was how we deliver and heal land—by singing. It also makes me think of why it’s so important to speak with your mouth when you’re... because people sometimes are like, "I just don't pray out loud because I don't want demons to hear it and stuff." And I'm like, "Look, the Bible says all the time, over and over, even in Romans, if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is

Lord," it’s telling us to speak. David is all over the place; it’s like, "I will live and not die so that I can declare the works of the Lord." Because sounds never die. You have things that are in your atmosphere that, if you do not speak them, you can’t neutralize them. It’s not just the changing of your mind; it’s also the speaking. People need to speak the Word of God out loud over themselves because something has to go into the atmosphere and change the chemical ingredients of the atmosphere. But back to how to explain tuning

as well. I want to talk to you about 440, 444. Jake's on the wide path—unrepentant, narrow; he's not on the narrow path. He's in 432 right now. Yeah. But because we know that these are basically the amount of times something vibrates, it’s almost as if we’re getting different things from different frequencies. So like, can you talk about 432 versus 440 versus 444 and the difference between those? Mhm. And how do we feel it? Yeah. So, I had an experience where I was meeting with some musicians, and this was in Columbia, Tennessee, about two years ago.

It was one of those moments where you just know—you could feel the weightiness of it, like the Lord had summoned each of these musicians into a basement of an old, old church. I mean, it was totally nostalgic; even the smells—I'm like, "Oh, this reminds me of my grandparents' church." But we were gathered there, and we recognized the significance of it because to get musicians in the same room, and it’s not the Dove Awards, can be, you know, that is impossible, right? It’s the hand of God when that happens. Yep. So we all kind of recognized

the specialness of it. I’m speaking to them about the destructive nature of 440 Hertz and the beauty of tuning A to 444 because when you do, four of the Solfeggio tones come forth, and specifically, middle C is 528 Hertz, and that’s known as the miracle tone. So anyways, I’m talking to them about this, and Jeff Mathenina, who’s a vocal coach from Unhindered Voice, had somebody just send him guitar chords tuned to 432, 440, and 444. So he asked, "Can I play this?" And I thought, "Yes, absolutely." You know, this was one of those divinely orchestrated

moments where we could actually hear the difference. It was priceless seeing the visceral reaction of the musicians. So he played each one, and what they described—432 as being light, like you feel lifted or lighter. Then 440, they said it hits you in the chest; it’s jarring. And then 444, they described it as almost like it’s elevating you into another dimension. And just a couple of days ago, I was having a conversation with Bay Turner, and he talks about... Um, like, he can clearly determine if something is tuned in 432 versus 440 and 444. And the

Lord specifically has called him to tune his music to 444. He might be one of the first in the CCM world to release music in 444. How he describes it is, he says, "432, um, is light; you know, it feels light, but it lacks the substance. 440 is heavy; um, it's void of life. It's jarring." And then 444 activates. For him, it activates his spiritual gifts, but it is also paired with the lightness of 432. So, you have, um, both of those going on. What's interesting, too, is just seeing the difference of, you know, what

440 hertz does to our bodies and how it affects us. And that's really it. I mean, it makes a lot of sense when you go back and you look at, okay, the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers — they were, um, first of all, very instrumental in the Federal Reserve, um, but also wanting to enslave humanity. One way they're doing that is through the music tuned to 440 hertz because it is destructive. Um, I don't know if you want me to talk about the research with that, or... Yeah. Can we, while she's doing that, do you want

to test it? You want to do a blind test? If you could find it? Yep. And then we could overdub it. Yeah. Episode. Um, there's so find it and queue it up for us, and then let's hit the research, and then we'll blind test it. Maybe a caveat on people who are like, "Do people need to worry if they're like SRRA victims or anything?" Like, I don't want to cause anybody to have, like, issues with those different frequencies. Um, I don't think so. I think that would be okay. Okay. And if they do, you'll just

guide them through deliverance. If my word, I think actually I found it. Do you want me to play it now, or do you want me to overdub it later? Let's hit... Well, we have to play it now because we want to hear it, but you'll have to overdub it on the top. I want to hear the research first, and then let's feel it in the room. Um, okay. You can share some of the research. So, um, as far as looking at the destructive nature of 440 Hz, there are a couple of research articles. One was

published in 2021 in the Journal of Ecological Engineering. What researchers did is they looked at the effects of sublethal and lethal high-frequency sound exposure on water fleas. They exposed them to 440 hertz and then 432 hertz. They measured heart rate and fertility. The water fleas exposed to 440 hertz developed a dramatic decrease in their heart rate and also infertility. But even more alarming was that a couple of weeks after the study, all the water fleas that were exposed to 440 hertz died. Then, there's another study looking at the effects of 440 hertz on humans. This

was also published in 2021 in the International Journal of Human Sciences. They looked at people's moods after listening to music tuned to 440 versus 432. They found that people reported an increase in negative mood after listening to music tuned to 440 hertz. What's interesting, too, is that this was more pronounced in men. Now, if you take a step back, I didn't really talk much about the Nephilim agenda, but if you think about this depopulation agenda that's out there, it is part of the Nephilim agenda. You think about, well, what better way to depopulate than to

render the masses infertile and also to stir up anger and rage in the men that could lead to war, right? Dang. Uh, it reminds me of the tests they've even done on water with playing certain types of music. I sent Jake a picture of this earlier today, where just putting a bowl of water and freezing it with certain types of music changes. And if it's like, if the music has bad lyrics in it, it looks ugly; and if the music has good lyrics in it, it looks good. It's so weird how even the water kind

of responds to the intention of the music. So you have frequency; you also have intention, which we have to talk about after we do this because what you have a lot of power in is being able to help somebody, um, reduce the idols in their own heart and clean their intentions up, and make sure that they're single-minded. I want to talk about that because for people who are leading worship, and even for people who are not leading worship with an instrument but are leading worship with their business, CEOs who are worship leaders with their business,

if their hearts aren't put together the right way, they can not only mess things up for themselves, but they can poison individuals around them because they're pushing out their dysfunction. Okay, so this is fascinating. Let's move to application. Um, people are like, "I'm not playing guitar." They're like, "Well, this is interesting, but what are we supposed to do with some of this? Is the point just that there's been an agenda weaponized against us, or should we not listen to music if it's not in 444? How extreme do you go with this, and how do you

protect yourself from..." It? Well, I think it goes back to the heart posture of what that means. Um, how are people holding themselves, um, in relation to God? So, for example, um, there are people who are Christians who, um, you know, have more of the world and the culture shaping them than the Word of God or their relationship with Jesus. You know, you have people who go to church for more of the entertainment or the performance aspect. So they go to church to watch a performance rather than, you know, showing up to church recognizing that

you want to have the heart posture that can host the presence of God. You know, we want to go to church believing that we're going to be transformed rather than going just for the social aspect of it. So that's some of it. The heart posture, I think, also involves removing the mixture from our lives. Now, that is a difficult process. That is the process of sanctification, and that's a lifelong journey. One of the things that, um, as the Lord began showing me these things, uh, my spirit prompted me to pray these dangerous prayers. And, um,

oh boy, in 2014, I began praying, "Lord, show me the mixture in my life." And, you know, I have to say I thought I was doing pretty well with the Lord. You know, I had a good relationship with Him, but I wasn’t prepared for what the Lord showed me. It's been agonizing at times, recognizing how easy it is to slip because I've been involved in ministry for coming up on 33 years, on and off, in different ways, but just recognizing that there have been so many times where I’ve led with my soul rather than my

spirit. When we lead with our soul, that's when we can get into false light. Um, what I mean by that is I'll just give an example of, um, you know, one of my Romans 12 redemptive gifts is mercy. The other one is teaching. So, with mercy, I feel other people's pain. It’s like a radar for me. When I walk into a room, I can tell the person or people that are in internal turmoil. And I think that’s why I became a psychologist once I realized I had this gift of mercy. What happens for me is

sometimes, um, you know, my emotions get stirred, and that activates the mercy in me, and then I act upon that. What the Lord was showing me is that when I do that, I'm actually leading with my soul because our soul is our mind, will, and emotions. If my emotions are what's triggering the mercy, that’s okay if they do, but from that point, I need to say, "Lord, what do you want me to do with these emotions that I'm feeling that are stirring the mercy?" Because what would happen is I would just assume that because I'm

doing something good with the mercy that God has given me, it must be what He wants. But I wasn't asking Him. And so, that’s leading with the soul. I'll give you a tangible example so people know what I'm talking about. There was this person that I collaborated with a couple of years back, and, um, you know, we did one collaboration. He reached out, um, and asked for another way that we could collaborate. Well, with any opportunity, I bring it before the Lord, whether, you know, it's something I really want to do or not. I just

ask the Lord, "Do you want me to do this?" If He says yes, I say yes. I have to say He has told me to say yes to things I would never have said yes to. Um, but I'm grateful just for following His lead because He knows the big picture. So, um, I thought that I would hear a yes because I enjoyed collaborating with this person, and I didn’t get a clear yes. I didn’t get a no, but it was kind of like a cautionary—let’s just say a yellow light. So, I decided to hold off

in responding until I knew for sure it was what the Lord wanted me to do. Then I happened to see this person at a conference. While I was at this conference, he told me about something tragic that happened in his family. It stirred the emotion in me and the mercy. So, after we talked about, you know, what had happened, he then asked, "Hey, what about that collaboration? Would it work?" I said, "Yes, when I get back, um, you know, from this conference, I'll reach out and I'll give you some dates, and we can collaborate." Then,

I'm back home, walking with the Lord, and the Holy Spirit says, "You didn't ask Me. You said yes to him." It was because of the tragedy that he went through that stirred the emotions in me. The collaboration would have really benefited him, and I wanted to help him because of the trauma they had just experienced. It wasn’t like I was doing something evil or anything; I was doing something good with the mercy that God stirred in me, but it wasn’t directed by my spirit first—it was soul-driven. That is when we lead with our soul; we

allow mixture in our lives. Part of this for me was recognizing, um, these times where I’ve done that and coming before the Lord with a repentant heart. heart and consecrating myself. So practically, um, it's so important to be open to what the Holy Spirit wants to do. You know, we can just get slightly off course. And I think this is what happens with, you know, we've been seeing some of these big-name, um, ministers fall, you know, for various reasons. And in the beginning, you know, we just get slightly off course. But if we don't surrender

to the Holy Spirit and the course correction of the Word of God, the further down that path we go, the further and further off track we get. And so being willing to ask the hard questions, like "Lord, show me where am I off track? How have I drifted?" um, so that He can constantly bring us back on track, I think that is so important. It's amazing. So you're talking about the gifts, Romans 12:6-8, where he's going through the various types of, uh, gifts. Do you know what your gift is between like prophecy and the five-fold?

Yeah. Um, no, it's different than the five-fold. Let me just read it for you. Go for it. In His grace, God has given us different gifts for doing certain things. So if God has given you the ability to prophesy, speak out with as much faith. This is the right passage. Correct. Um, if your gift is serving others, serve them well. If your gift is teaching, teach well. So that’s your second — is teaching. If your gift is encouraging, be encouraging. If it is giving, give generously. Is God giving you the ability of leadership? If you

have the gift for showing kindness or compassion, I assume that’s the mercy. Well, probably translation differences. Yeah. Um, so it seems to be like that might be service, though. Service. Okay, keep reading. Let's see. That's the end. Um, oh, that's the end then. Yeah, that is mercy. Yeah, I think it's mercy. So you have prophecy, serving, verse seven, encouraging, teaching, giving, leadership, and mercy/compassion. Yeah. What do you think? Uh, what are mine? Yeah. Probably prophecy is in there, even though it's hard for you to accept that, but that one, um, kindness, compassion, generosity, and some

leadership in there as well. What would you say from your perspective? I think leadership's definitely in there. Mhm. Don't you agree? Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. Well, we will argue about that until you accept it, bro. Telling you that ever. We’re gonna get him. Okay, let's switch gears. Can we switch gears for a second? Yes. I want to break this thing open. We're going to go a little bit level deeper because worship is so predicated on the intention. Um, we have a lot of people who are worship leaders, and you don’t have to have

the abilities to judge someone's heart to be to say like, "I think they're worshiping themselves." I think that people move to Nashville — it's like a giant principality of agenda over Nashville. They move here to get ahead. It's about who can I connect with. Your net worth is your net worth. It's like, "Oh my gosh," like just meeting, meeting, and there's a lot of — I think there's a demonic agenda behind that. And if you just go up a couple of verses in Romans 12, uh, verse — uh, Romans 12:3, God has given me a

grace to speak a warning about pride. I would ask each of you to be emptied of self-promotion and not create a false image of your own importance. Instead, honestly assess your worth by using your God-given faith at the standard measurement, and then you will see your true value with appropriate self-esteem. Self-esteem is probably fascinating for us to go into later as a psychologist. But then this is where Paul says, like, some people are the hands, some people are the feet, and knowing where you are. Mhm. How would you advise people to be able to walk

in their gifts passionately without worshiping their gifts and doing what Lucifer did, chasing the charts, chasing the promotions? This seems to be an interesting and difficult balance. I think it has to do with walking — you know, some people walk in the fear of man, meaning they're concerned about what other people think about them. And so it's about pleasing others or, you know, how many — how many likes do we have on our latest post or how many views do we have? When we're chasing those things, we're chasing after the wrong thing. We need to

walk in the fear of the Lord. And what that means is that we have a proper awe and reverence of who the Lord is. And we recognize that we are absolutely nothing without Him. You know, John 15 talks about that He is the vine; we are the branches. We must remain in Him. Otherwise, we're nothing. And so when we recognize that it's only by the grace of God that we can do the things that we're called to do, then that puts us in the proper, um, perspective. And when we have an audience of one, meaning

we are only after pleasing the Lord, then that's the worship. That's the sound that comes forth from us. That's a sweet-smelling aroma. And there was a time in worship just at our church. Our church is growing leaps and bounds. Um, we are right smack next to everyone because there's not a seat available — that kind of growth. And um, I love to worship exuberantly. And so I will dance, I will shout, and sometimes I'll jump up and down. In fact, I've torn both calf muscles in worship. That's actually amazing. I was on a parasite cleanse.

I do have to like give that caveat. And apparently that... made an effect, but papaya. Ah, that's how you deal with parasites. Okay, ask me how I know. Just eat the seeds. Nice. It'll never happen again. So, just, you know, I love to be exuberant in my worship. Yeah. Well, one time, um, the Lord challenged me with, like, I don't know about you guys, but it's hard; as much as I try, it's hard to focus an entire just one worship song entirely on the Lord. And not even if my eyes are closed; my mind wanders

all over the place. And so what the Lord showed me is that when I'm focused on him and I'm releasing that worship unto him, it's like this sweet aroma that's billowing up before his throne. But when I get distracted, it's like there's this cap and it doesn't reach him. And so now my goal is just one song—like one entire song. Can I focus on worshiping him? Um, but it takes that, um, walking in the fear of the Lord. So we have an audience of one, and that is what gets people back into the right mindset

because when it's about pleasing the Lord, he's going to bless whatever we do because it's unto him. We're not trying to, you know, boost ourselves up. We're not trying to reach the top of the charts. Have you ever done it wrong? Have you ever found yourself in a season of fear of man? Oh my gosh. Yes. Yeah. So, you've been corrected in this. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And you just kind of take it. That's... Do you repent quickly? Are you like a fast repenter or a slow repenter? Like, how do you...? I'm quick to repent

once I see it, for sure. But there are times where other people can see it and I can't. Um, there was another time—this was years and years ago—um, we used to sing a song about, um, like getting up on the altar and burn out the dross. That's a dangerous song to sing. And so in prayer one time, I'm like, "Lord, I just—I surrender to your altar. Like, burn out the dross in me." And he spoke three things to me. But each time, like the first time he spoke something to me, it was about, um—oh my

gosh, I used to be so controlling. Um, so in my relationship with my husband, I would ask him, "So how are your quiet times today?" And it was because I wanted him to have the type of quiet times that I had. And I thought he had to do it the way that I did it for it to count or to matter. And I say that, and I cringe on the inside. Well, I couldn't see it at all because I was operating in control. Like, other people could see it, but I couldn't. So when I asked

the Lord to show me the dross, to burn out the dross, he told me that I was holding back Tom in his growth in a relationship with Jesus because of how controlling I was. And it wrecked me. Like, I literally felt nauseous. And then the Lord said, "Are you ready for something else? For me to show you something else?" And I was like, "I don't know. I don't know if I can handle it." And so three times he asked me, and by the end, I was just a complete wreck. But I needed to see those

things, and that's part of the sanctification process. And now, thankfully, the Lord has brought a lot of healing in our marriage. And I've, um, the Lord broke me from that spirit of control in the midst of corporate worship. No one prayed for me. And I, um, it was after a period of time where I had just really gone through what I call dark night of the soul because our youngest son nearly died on several occasions, and it wrecked me. And I just remember being in the midst of corporate worship and I heard this snap, like

wood snapping over your leg. I looked around because it was audible to me. Um, but no one else around me was even responding; like, they didn't hear it. And so I asked the Lord what it was, and he said, "You just got delivered from that spirit of control." And from that point forward, I had to— it felt like I had to learn to breathe again. Like, everything I was doing was from that spirit of control. And so that was wrapped up in the fear of man as well. It was, "If I control how my family

looks and responds, then that will reflect well on me." And so it was all about this fear of man stuff. So the Lord definitely had to deal with me on that. But again, it's like, are you willing to pray those dangerous prayers? Because he definitely takes you up on it when you do. Yeah. I found that every time I've had a deliverance experience, I have had to relearn how to live. It's because these things work their way into your central nervous system, and they become—not only do we think about like a crutch as something that

we only use for a time, like while a leg is broken or something—but it's like if a crutch was like welded onto you, and now it's hard to know how to walk without it. Um, I think it's fascinating that you said, you know, you had to relearn how to breathe again because when you get delivered from a fear of man or you get delivered from mammon—like, people are literally Christians worshiping money. And then when you were delivered... From that, you realize that your body has changed through the traumatic effect of having to sell out to

something, and you don't know how to live anymore. How long did it take you to figure out how to breathe again? Is that the sanctification you're talking about? Like, yes. Yeah. It was an interesting experience. It almost was a little bit like how people would describe an out-of-body experience. So I'd go through normal life being a mom, being a wife, and a situation would play out, and the old me would want to respond in a certain way. The first step that the Lord showed me is just to shut your mouth. Just shut your mouth long

enough that He could rework my neural pathways. Yes. By shutting my mouth, it gave me the opportunity to see a different way of responding, and then gradually, I would begin to respond in that different way. Now, did I do it perfectly? No. There were certainly times I slipped back into old habits, but just simply by pausing and giving the Holy Spirit that opportunity to show me a different way of responding. And it's like, you know, when you have this dysfunctional dance, you've got to get off the dance floor and learn a different dance move. The

Holy Spirit was teaching me a different dance move in relationship with others. How does He want me to show up in relationships? Because I was presenting the way that I wanted to, and that was very controlling. It took some time for sure. I think that should help people a little bit because the moment that you're set free is not the moment where everything changes in a moment, but it requires a process. Your neuroplasticity doesn't change instantaneously. It's got to take some time. You get all this myelin wrapped up in old behaviors, and slowly those begin

to starve out. Um, are you good? We can keep going. Yeah, I'm good. You're quiet. Are there any things you want to talk about? You're going down a thread, so you keep going. I don't have questions so far. Have you ever had a moment where God gave you a particular song to worship to over and over again or play over and over again? Like, just to connect the two ideas together with the neural pathways in music? Has God ever taught you how to use those two things together? Yes. I mean, oftentimes, I'll wake up with

a song in my head, and I'll go and worship to that throughout the day because I know that's what the Holy Spirit is directing me to. I love worship. I live for worship. Yeah, that happens to me all the time. If I want to hear from God, I'll sometimes go to my worship playlist, hit shuffle, hit play. Have you ever done this? Mhm. Then the song that comes up is exactly what I'm praying about in the moment. All of our senses—God will use all of them to communicate with us. And that seems to be how

the agenda that you write about in your books is. They're weaponizing all five of those senses—whether it's the things that we taste; food is a big one. Have you gone down that rabbit hole yet? Yeah. This is messed up. We're just eating poison, right? The things that we see. Mhm. And then, not many people are talking about frequencies. Have you gotten into the cryptology element of music when you have different pieces of music? The tuning is one element, but can you feel when a certain song is drenched in submission and in the presence of God?

Can you tell the difference between the two from a clinical standpoint? I don't know about like cryptology. I'm not familiar much with that. But there are definitely songs—there's this one song called "Better" from Charity Gail's new worship album, "Rejoice." When I had the opportunity to be in a live recording of her worship album, and when Derell sang this song, something definitely shifted in the atmosphere during that song. I call it vertical worship; I think other people do as well—where it's just straight into worshiping God for who He is. I mean, there's a place for horizontal

worship as well, but I much prefer the vertical. This song took us into the throne room, the presence of the Lord, and it was like a revelation for worship. When that happened, like I said, the atmosphere shifted, and I could taste a glimpse of what it was like to be in heaven worshiping. I never wanted that moment to end. That worship was also warfare because it was a power encounter. I met with some intercessors from Colombia afterwards—that's where that worship gathering was—and two psychic operations closed down after that worship set. And that just shows you

the power of our worship when we engage in that worship in spirit and in truth. Yeah, that's awesome. I would recommend everybody to start marking out times in their calendars. I'm just going to get practical for a second, and then we can follow wherever you want to go. Application. But sometimes, the most powerful thing that you can do, whether you are a musician or not, is go somewhere where you feel safe, turn some music on, and sing as loud as you can, and just keep singing. I'll never forget there was a couple of weeks ago

when I was sitting and praying about some things. I have trained so hard, and I've worked so many years trying to learn how to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit so that when it shows up, I can hear Him. And, uh, the Holy Spirit said, "Go upstairs and worship." I was like, "I don't have time to do that." I was kind of like, "I'm praying right now," which is completely rebellious, but I did it anyway. I was like, "I'm going to pray." And He said, "There are doors that will open for the voice that

sings that will never open for the voice that speaks. Get upstairs and worship." Sometimes, it is the moments when we feel like it the least that we have to learn how to sacrifice and sing through a moment and worship through a moment. I think that, um, the aroma you're talking about is the sweetest when we have the least time for it, when we have the least, you know, desire for it. It's because that's costly worship. Mhm. That's the worship that could get you. That's the worship that could hurt your reputation. That's the worship that could

cause you to miss out on business deals. You don't have time for it. That's the Davidic worship of like, he's being made fun of by his family for it. You know, you're like breaking your calves worshiping. It's costly. There's something to it. And I don't know why it's not that difficult. You turn it on your speaker, you go to your closet, and you sing. You begin to sing, and you sing some more, and you sing some more. I would literally challenge the intellects that are watching this just to disprove it. If that's your motivation to

disprove it, great. See if you can figure out a way to worship for 20 minutes and not feel different. And if you can disprove it—if you can be the one person in history to disprove it, great. But it changes your whole life. Would you agree with that? Hm. I'm curious about what you guys think in terms of worship as an altar. It's an altar. That's my thoughts on it. Obviously, the concept of what is the almost exchange that is happening at the altar of worship. Well, we'll give it to you first. Have you studied altars?

I know you've studied ley lines. Yeah. Yeah, a little bit. I would say, um, what's interesting is, um, when there's worship in spirit and in truth, you can open up portals. Portals can be either positive or negative, meaning you can have angelic activity because you've opened up a portal through worship in spirit and in truth, but you can also open up portals through false worship. And when there are portals of false worship, obviously, you have dark entities coming through there. The Lord has given me the opportunity at times to cleanse those portals because they can

be cleansed and reversed. Both times I've done it, the Lord has given us the strategy of just simply worshiping Him in spirit and in truth. And it closes off that portal to the demonic entities. One time, it was in Torino, Italy. I went there in 2005 to train some of the local churches because they were hosting the Winter Olympics. Salt Lake City hosted the Winter Olympics in 2002, and we did a whole lot of spiritual mapping in preparation for that. How do you prepare your city to be protected from the spiritual dynamics that come with

the Olympics? Anyway, I was in Torino training some of the local pastors, and we were staying with some friends. In their home was a portal. How did you know? They have a really large guest room, and in that guest room, people would come from all over because they were from the States living in Italy, and their guests would have reoccurring nightmares. Different guests would have the same nightmare. Got it. When they told our friends, they realized, "Okay, this is a portal." When we arrived, I was a youth minister at the time. I brought three youth

with me. I didn't know there was a portal in the room, and I had two of the young girls stay in this room. When my friend shared that there was a portal, she didn't show us where in the room, but we could discern it and walked right to it. We just asked the Holy Spirit for direction: "What do we do here?" He said, "Just worship Me." So we entered into that space and just worshiped until we felt the shift and could feel the presence of the Lord. That was able to cleanse that portal. But what

you have is, you know, the occult, the Luciferians, they understand the importance of opening up portals and territories and altars for their activity, and that's what false worship is all about. So you think about wanting to open up those portals through worship in spirit and in truth. You can have portals in your home if you have a spot or a location where you often go to worship. You are opening up the heavens by doing that. Yeah. So, a portal—uh, correct me if any of this sounds off based on your research— but getting back to your

question, a portal. We've talked a lot about altars. Mhm. Portals are transport; altars are exchange, but they can sort of—portals seem to be more legalistic. Altars seem to be more power ranking. So, like, to give an example, anytime in the Old Testament that an altar had to be—uh, undone, they would have to destroy the altar. You don't close it; you just destroy it. You burn it. You have to like eliminate it completely. I think portals can be closed; it's more legalistic. You can close them. Uh, worship is an altar that will close a portal. When

Yahweh shows up, anything else that had legal access is moving on. So, one of the best altars—the best altar ever—is the altar of salvation. The highest ranking, most powerful altar that has ever existed. When someone gets saved, it closes up a lot of the other altars around it. It will not always close the portals, though. To kind of go through, an altar of worship is up there with the altar of salvation and the altar of generosity. So when people have situations where they get a lot of money and lose a lot of money, they get

a lot of money, lose a lot; they can never fully—like, it's a repeated pattern of financial loss. Um, you see stories of somebody building um, generosity in their lives, and it ends up sort of closing up any of the deities or things that are messing with it. But I'm really fascinated about ley lines because I've never studied ley lines. That's why I was asking you about that earlier. I've studied so much on altars—like, so much. The ley lines seem to be almost like geographical. They are. Yeah, they're geographically aligned. Like, you have high places that

are geographically aligned, and there can be a lot of activity along that. And so, another story—back to Torino. Um, so a spiritual grid is a bunch of ley lines connected over a region, and people might have no idea there's a spiritual grid over their territory, but they still experience the effects of it. And so, um, when we were in Torino, it was intense. First of all, Torino is the witchcraft capital of the world. It's the um, intersection of two magic triangles. Um, so you've got the black magic triangle, which is London, San Francisco, and Torino.

And then you have the white magic triangle, which is Lyon, Prague, and Torino. And so, as the apex of both of those witchcraft triangles, it's earned the reputation of being the witchcraft capital of the world. And so, when we first landed, I felt the intensity of it right away. And we were doing ministry, and this was the first time these youth were overseas, and they just—like, three days into the trip, they just needed some care, like they were missing home, and you know, that sort of thing. And so, you know, we're staying in um this

place called Pachetto, and it's absolutely gorgeous. Everything you can think of—you know, Italian village, rolling hills. And so, we go and walk down in this valley, um, you know, just to take them for a walk. I want to care for them, love on them. And we're walking, and all of a sudden, I see with my spiritual eyes all of these, like, objects or beings or particles moving away from me at top speed. And I liken it to um, the scene in Star Wars where the Millennium Falcon goes into hyperdrive and you see all the stars

coming at you. Well, that's what I saw, only in reverse. Now, thankfully, um, one of the other girls, she experienced the movement through her body, so it brought confirmation. Yeah. Um, well, one experience that we all had was the presence of a distinctive foul odor, much like the smell of sulfur and manure combined. You could smell it with your nose. Yeah. All four of us could smell it. And we looked around; there were no cows nearby. I mean, there was nothing in the physical that could explain what we were smelling, but all four of us

smelled it. And I had, you know, one of the guys on the trip—um, he's very discerning, the kind where, you know, he takes five steps and he's got like a shooting pain. And so, we would stop and ask the Holy Spirit, "Okay, what's going on? What do you want us to see?" Well, through that experience, the Holy Spirit showed us we were in the middle of a spiritual grid, and he wanted us to sever that ley line. And so, um, we did a prophetic act. This guy, he picked up a stick—maybe, you know, six inches

long is all—and he held it up over his head. And when he did, he nearly fell backward. And I saw in the spirit this huge sword. And so, he took it, and he severed the ley line. And then we thought we were done, and we kept walking, and again, like, five steps later, he gets this shooting pain. And so we stop and we ask the Holy Spirit, "Like, what did we miss?" And the Holy Spirit said, "You didn't invite my presence into the void you just created." And so we invited the presence of the Holy

Spirit, and the smell changed immediately to this fresh pine scent. Wow. And so we knew that we had accomplished what the Lord had set us out to do. And so when we went back to tell our friend about what had happened... She actually wasn't surprised because she said the locals talk all the time about the energy field in that valley, and people travel from all around to experience it. So that was our first experience of a spiritual grid. But ley lines—um, you know, they infuse—you have these power points all throughout a ley line, and they

infuse it with spiritual power. And how they keep that spiritual power going are acts of false worship, rituals, or bloodshed at those high places. People have to—like, it's so easy to listen to this for the first time and be like, "Spiritual power? Like, what are you talking about?" And it's like, first of all, the spiritual currency has been around a lot longer than any financial technology. Any—uh—it outlives science. It's like, this is all the stuff that was first, and I think it's actually an agenda that we've forgotten. I think it was programmed to try to

get us to forget and to reduce the importance of some of this stuff. Are there any ley lines in America? Oh my gosh. Yes. Yeah. Well, what's interesting is, um, some of what we do with spiritual mapping is, um, we are asking the Lord, "Okay, where are spiritual gates? Where are portals? Where are ley lines that we need to pay attention to?" And so we're directed by the Holy Spirit to discover where those are. But what you get is sometimes you have people in the New Age doing energy work, for example, or grid work—you'll hear

that term. And so if you were to do a search of ley lines on the Internet, for example, you'll get a whole map of ley lines. But I don't put any credence in that because I don't know the spiritual source by which that was discerned. And so, um, what we do with spiritual mapping is—we do the research, which is like digging into historical documents, obtaining demographic data. We interview local people. We look at old newspaper articles, and then we go out and we do what's called reconnaissance. And that is where we take teams of people

out onto the land to discern what's happened there. And through all of that, that's when the Lord begins to unfold where these ley lines are. And then we keep track of them. I think a lot of the New Age stuff is coming from sacred geometry. Mhm. Um, which is similar to how New Age has taken, um, astronomy, twisted the astrology piece, and we're running like predictive stuff off of the zodiacs and all of that stuff. It's not necessarily that geometry doesn't work; it's that it's a replacement. And any replacement will become an idol, and any

idol will build an altar, and any altar will open up portals. And so you can imagine the dead ends that that'll take you into. So you're being strictly—like, we're going to ask the Holy Spirit where to go. Yes. We're not just going to run our own mathematics and build a spreadsheet. Right. Right. Yeah. And you know, one ley line I can talk about, um, is the 33rd parallel. Um, and that, you know, Mount Hermon is on the 33rd parallel. Uh, you have Disneyland on the 33rd parallel, Club 33. Um, and I believe Walt Disney chose

that land because it was part of the 33rd parallel. You have, um, Roswell, New Mexico, which was, you know, the crash of a UFO, is also on the 33rd parallel. JFK was assassinated near the 33rd parallel. You have the 33rd president, um, Truman, I believe it is. He was, um, he ordered the bombing of Nagasaki, and that was on the 33rd parallel. So you have a lot of bloodshed, a lot of, um, activity with, um, fallen sons of God or Nephilim along the 33rd parallel, and they are empowering that. But the Lord, um, you know,

He brings people to release worship on the 33rd parallel to reverse that and to cleanse it and to infuse it with His power, His kingdom purposes. Yep. Well, Jake's got something he wants to say because I can—yeah, you're going to say it. You're going to say it. Um, just to put a bow on the thing, I would just caution people: it's not that sacred geometry and seasonality and personality profiles, these things are not, like, wrong because you'll see God use them. So you'll see God use, um, Dantria, numerology, the cross, the Fibonacci sequence—like, all of

these would all fit into, like, sacred geom hexagon spirals. Um, but I think God's—like, it's important to know where something came from and to not try to push God out of the equation. And that's what a lot of people are doing when they're trying to get into energy study and consciousness studying. We've done episodes on consciousness. Some Christians are like, "Oh, consciousness? Nope." You have a consciousness; you can't villainize the whole thing. We should know what it means. But if it ever becomes a conduit for us to, like, get out of submission and do something

our own way, God will become—it will be a territorial thing. So I think people should be really careful not to take what you're saying and, like, go try to backdoor their way into it. Chances are if you tried to, like, tackle a ley line without the Holy Spirit, you probably wouldn't be sitting here, right? You'd be all sorts of messed up. And it's really important to do it in the Lord's timing. I have made those mistakes. I've gone outside of the Lord's timing to tackle some of these high places in the region that I live

in, and it did not end well. Did you say Mount Herman was on the 33rd? Yes. What about Mount Carmel? Oh, no. That would be interesting if Mount Carmel's on there, too. Got Elijah killing everybody, redeeming the lay line. What questions do you have, Jake? Um, to go back to music, what I'm thinking of is, I know for me, I was actually just telling you about this at lunch. I spent the entire year of 2023, part of '22, and part of '24 listening to the same worship album for a year straight. What worship album? Uh,

*Live in the Prayer Room*, Jeremy Riddle. Jeremy. I think it's like 11 or 12 songs. I listened to it all year long. That's all I listened to. It was the only thing I listened to. And I noticed a huge difference in my house. I noticed my mood was better in the car. When I was on the phone with people, I sounded different. My personality was different. How I worshiped was different. And so, one of the things that I'm really curious about from your perspective is, like from a 30,000-foot view, what do you see as the

current agenda of secular music now? How has some of that even perverted what's in Christian music now, and what needs to change? It's a very loaded question, but from a bird's-eye perspective, what do you think music is being used for, how it's being perverted, and how do we get back to the good stuff? Yeah, great question. Well, with respect to worship music, I think what's happened is we've seen industry mix with worship. And what does that mean? Um, like the music industry—how you produce worship—the culture of the worship industry has come in and taken that,

and has tried to take that over. And so you'll see worship teams that start out with that heart of worship, just wanting to worship the Lord, but then money comes in, and fame comes in, and it begins to pull them off track. Kind of like what I was talking about earlier. We can just get slightly off track, and we always need that course correction. Well, so, what you have is you have some of these big-name labels buying out the smaller Christian labels, and these big-name labels are trying to buy—the, I forget the term—the indie rights.

Yes. But when you write a song, like the original song copyright, the original rights. Yes. Um, they're trying to buy that out from people, and so musicians can sell their original song, for example, the rights to that. Well, when that happens, these big-name labels are buying up worship music. And so, what that means is that if there comes a day, let's say, when a big-name label decides, "We don't want any more of this worship music," they just simply flip a switch, so to speak, and no longer can that music come out because they have the

rights to it. And that's how that's one extreme example of how industry has infiltrated our worship. And so, there are several musicians within, you know, the Christian music world. Kim Walker-Smith is one. You know, Mike Daddy Mike with Big Daddy Weave. You know, these musicians that I have the opportunity to be friends with. The Lord is moving these folks to remove mixture from their lives, remove mixture from their worship. And it's a delicate balance, for sure, because you want to be able to have your music heard by folks. So, how do you get it out

there without signing and coming into contracts that might be ungodly? And so, it's a difficult balance. And how do you encourage people to think about the music they're listening to? Like, if you met somebody for the first time and they're like, "Hey, what kind of music do I listen to?" what would you tell them to listen to and why? Well, I think understanding, first of all, the impact that words—so the lyrics—have on our bodies. And this goes back to what you were talking about with intention earlier. So, Masaru Emoto, he, you know, did a lot

of research on water molecules and the impact of positive messages or negative messages on water molecules. So if we consider conservatively, you know, our bodies are made up of 60 to 70% water. Well, it makes sense that words, sounds, and frequencies impact us because they carry a frequency. And what he did in his study is he looked at, you know, the impact of positive and negative messages. So he taped strips of paper that had words on them to a water bottle, and then he measured the crystallized form of that water molecule under a microscope. And

what he found is that the structure of the water molecule changed based on the messages it received. So words like love and gratitude form these beautifully perfect water crystals, whereas words like "you fool" or "hatred" formed like even a chaotic looking ugly water crystal. Well, what this shows is that blessings are life-giving. They have the power to create beauty and to heal, whereas curses have the power to destroy. And so when you think about if just the written words have a frequency that changes the structure of the water molecule, imagine what lyrics do to our

body. So what lyrics are we listening to? Um, you know, I would encourage people, even with, you know, our bodies absorb sound and frequencies through every pore. It's not just through our ears. And so, what we are listening to, what we're watching... Whether that's TV shows, movies, music, social media, or environmental frequencies, we literally are programming ourselves with the information we take in. And so we have to be very careful guarding our thoughts, guarding what we see, and what we expose ourselves to. Um, so I would encourage people when they're looking at what music they

should listen to. Um, for me personally, I go to those musicians with whom I have a relationship and whose hearts I know. And so that's the music I encourage others to listen to. I also believe that there's a healing property in tuning to 444 hertz. But not only that, prophetically, I believe the Lord is saying it's time for a shift to 444. I have a growing list of musicians that tune to 444, so I send folks that as well. Well, that's interesting that you say you listen to those you have a relationship with. I was

just telling, uh, Heather, my wife, that I only listen to four artists, and I know three out of the four. Mhm. I've never caught that before; that's so interesting. Yeah. What is that guy that's in 432, the fourth? I don't listen to his music consistently, like almost ever. Who are the artists? Uh, let's see. Jimmy Riddle. Um, Jonathan Hutcherson. He's a country artist, but he's a worship leader. He's amazing. Uh, Forest Frank. It's a huge— I love Forest Frank. He is—oh, I love Forest Frank. What's the—what is it? Oh, Josh Adams. Shout out to Josh

Adams. What's funny is that I listen to each different one of their music for different places. Like, Jonathan Hutcherson plays a lot at Taylor's business events. People love country; he's a great dude. Plays country. I love playing Forest when I'm playing pickleball. When I have Forest Frank playing, the presence of the Lord fills that pickleball court, and I kid you not, I have seen people have visceral reactions when his music turns on, like to the presence of God, or other people get a lot of joy. And then with, uh, Josh, I love playing his music

in the house. It's just chill; it's just beautiful. And it's not all then Jeremy's pure worship stuff. He's the guy that had the album on the Psalms, right? Yes. Yeah. Yes. The fact that I remember that speaks to his—oh, it's so good. You know him? Yeah. Yeah. I know. I just don't know Forest. Tell him that I love his Psalms record. Yeah, I will. A lot. Yeah. Do you know Phil? Do you know Phil Collins? Uh, Phil Collins is in the "I Can Feel It in the Air Tonight" song. Yeah. Yeah. We should meet Phil

Collins—that way, we can go 24/7 with Phil Collins, the Tarzan soundtrack non-stop. Yeah. Sorry, I'm telling jokes in your moment. No, that's all I got. You have anything? I want us to end this with this question: What recommendation would you give people to make sure that their hearts are correct? How do we do it tactically? Not like, uh, ethereal high level, but like in the day-to-day, what does it look like to keep your heart submitted? You mentioned heart posture; like, what does that look like for you? How do you do that? Well, I think it's

praying those dangerous prayers. Another one is Psalm 139:23 and 24. Um, that one, you know, "Search my heart, O God, and see if there are any anxious ways in me,” all that. That is another dangerous prayer. Another dangerous prayer that I've been praying is when the Lord takes us up and shows us. Yep. Um, I think it comes back to time spent with the Lord. Um, and that's how, you know, when we surrender our time to Him, we allow Him to have um, say in what our day looks like. I'll pray and ask the Lord

to order my day however He wants, and He loves to just rearrange things in my calendar, my schedule. It's just daily walking with Him. It's surrendering to Him in every aspect of your life. And so, yeah, I think it's praying those dangerous prayers, time in His word, and time before Him. Love that. Cool. I'm going to pray us out. We good? You? God, thank you for Dr. Laura. Thank you for the gift that you have given us today to spend time with um, one another. I pray that you would uh continue to lead her along

this journey and to anoint her mind and her lips to be able to share this message with people. We ask that people who are listening to this, that are um, in a season where they're trying to find You, that You would give them an extra sensitivity when they turn on a worship album or when they sit on their couch and begin to pray. I pray that You would respond to them and that You would sweep them up, like she mentioned earlier. You sing over them that they would feel the presence of their Dad singing over

them. I pray that You would use this to equip and mobilize a generation of people who You're calling to release Your frequency on the earth. It's a new season, and I pray that You would give people the songs, the lyrics, the melodies, the things to say and when to say them, and that You would give people the gift of Holy Spirit creativity. You would anoint the musicians and anoint the business owners and anoint the moms and anoint the dads to be able to speak the things of God over their... Cities, over their businesses, and that

you would honor the words that come out of your kids' mouths. We love you. We give this all to you. We thank you for today and help Dr. Laura close the ley line at the Parthenon. Amen. That's where you're going. Close it up. It's over.