this is the other side of Kirk Franklin [Applause] prank this is the rec 2024 my all my safle theice slice got the roll of dice that's why all my life been grinding all my life all my life grinding all my life sacrifice hustle B the price want a slice got the roll a dice that's why all my life I been ring on my life hello welcome to another episode of Club sh Shay I am your host Shannon sharp I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay the guy that's stopping by for conversation and the drink today
ladies and gentlemen you're going to love him some call him the greatest the greatest one of the greatest comedians Dead or Alive one of America's greatest entertainers one of the funniest men on the planet world-renowned multitalented a comedy Legend he's touring he's the top touring comedian selling out Arenas he's a hilarious Storyteller Emy awardwinning actor voice actor rapper writer producer director icon genius a National Treasure philanthropist humanitarian social activist a father one of the great funny men of Our Generation and any Generation Mr Cat Williams thank you sir magnificent you are you are you are
magnificent at intros and you did not skimp on mine I appreciate it appreciate that you know anytime you come to club sh Shay we have to toast yes bro you've been doing it I mean you told you one of the top tour you're the one of the top touring comedians of all time you already got started before we started taping I did appreciate that tell the people at home I thought they was lying and um yeah this particular alcohol is stronger than you think it would be probably by about two and unbelievably smoother and milder
by the same maybe 30% than you could possibly expect and unlike knacs the world over this one doesn't taste like wood at the end and it doesn't taste like it's got artificial colors and it doesn't taste like it's got artificial flavors uh it's a it's a fine product he's a conso you can tell he's a cons he a KAC connoisseur he understands the method that goes into making knac right well as a comedian you get free drinks at the club so all comedians either turn out to be connoisseurs like myself or straight up and down
alcoholics like 60% of Hollywood well thanks thanks for stopping by the club I understand that you're very very busy and for you to take time out of your busy schedule and stop in today we really really appreciate here at Club Shay Shay thank so thanks for stopping by cat and I needed you to know why I came by yeah I need you to tell us why people know I don't go everywhere I'm not interested in talking to people unless it's like a Larry King or somebody of an amazing ilk that I would actually want to
go talk to in real life okay um I don't do it so I can sell product and I got things to sell so let me come talk um you have a great product here and as a fan base we love the attention that you spend on the guest we we love how much work you've done how well you know them how prepared you are the same things that we liked about you in football you brought that on over to here and that's uh why it resonates and the reason I had to come is because you
made a safe place for the truth to be told you know what I mean and I have watched all of these low comedians come here and disrespect you in your face and tell you straight up lies I'm talking about things that have never been heard in all of black Hollywood they feel comfortable sitting here and lying to you about it you going set the record straight are you kidding me you let Ricky Smiley sit here and you said out that mouth you stole Frid after next the one I was in I wish all all of
America fumbled a bit when that happened and then he said some stuff that we haven't heard in 100 years in Hollywood you ain't say nothing this man told you he had Cat Williams role he was going to be Money Mike and Cat Williams was going to be was going to be the Santa Claus now let's three quick points you mean in Hollywood they cast a 5 foot5 black Santa Claus that weigh 145 lbs that's your story your story is the Ricky Smiley that couldn't even do curse words because he had a Christian fan base he
was going to play the pimp why you didn't ask him why has he played a woman in more movies than he's played a man well I didn't know he he shouldn't be able you wouldn't let a athlete that been on steroids talk about one of the greats Ricky Smiley can't act cuz Ricky Smiley can't act he told you the story about when the movie came out where did he say he watched at home he wasn't even at the premiere you telling this man you stole that oh so he could get his name in the same
sentence with a great one it is sad he was just that bitter when we were shooting it he told everybody it should have been my role everybody on the scene why do you think no cast member has ever said anything he couldn't have played that role like you I thought he sir no one why no he was with KD he beat up Terry Cruz why nobody know this story you talking about in Hollywood they switched off road you take this and he what so Ricky Ricky Smiley knows this and I don't know why he would
lose a child and come on the air and start lying that's why people believe in rituals right there is because well why would he lie I don't know why Liars lie but I can tell you this we auditioned in Los Angeles yes I was audition number 201 200 black comedians auditioned for the role of Money Mike with me you're saying all 200 and one of us was auditioning and you had already had the roll and had already shot the roll in four days the truth of the matter is the Money Mike in the original script
got raped in the bathroom and that's what Ricky Smiley was okay with Cat Williams had to take the risk in front of the studios and the cast and our power that be in his very first movie and say respectfully humbly guys if we talking about anything else I have no credibility and I have no pull but we talking about comedy right where I have all the credibility and all the pool the problem with Friday After Next is we're trying to make a classic comedy and this comedy involves a rape and rape is never funny no
matter who it happens to or what the circumstances are if you would allow me to allow us to do this movie without a black man getting raped in it I promise you that it will be twice as funny as it would be with him getting raped so considering that's the real story why would you bring up that story 35 members of the cast and crew have never brought up that Ricky Smiley was going to play Money Mike no one ever saw me put on a Santa Claus suit we got a wardrobe department they made a
Santa Claus suit for me why that wasn't in the bloopers what and and here's the other thing everything that money Mike said Cat Williams wrote so what Ricky Smiley say on his you can't say my lines I wrote them that's how I already ready know that I'm going to be funnier than you what he told everybody was Cat Williams and and don't nobody know who he is I'm on the radio I'm with stepen said everybody know me that's what he told everybody that we listen to on the set that's the truth of the matter he
was so egregious not now then he was so egregious that and Hollywood has never heard this in a hundred years he was so egregious I put in my contract that I won't work with Ricky Smiley again unless he's in a dress now what was Ricky Smiley's next movie was it first Sunday did did he wear a dress in it you bet he did it's in my contract why would you put that in your with in your contract cat that's where he's the a believable actor him and Tyler Perry can't play a man to save their
life they play good women and I believe that the best actor should be in the best role so that's why because when we released that clip and he said that you responded because he said he was supposed to play money mik and you were supposed to say play Santa Claus an outright lie so that he knows is a lie so why would he say it cuz he's a liar Nobody Knows Why Liars lie and that's why I had to come on the program Cedric did the same thing Cedric told you when you asked him did
you steal Cat Williams joke he said it don't line up how it don't line up that I did it on TV in 2018 you came to see me at The Comedy Store do it in 2019 and then did it on the Kings of Comedy like what doesn't line up I this is a televised joke that Mark Curry helped me punch up and get to the level that it was the same Steve that went to go watch Mark Curry do his whole sitcom and then stole everything Mark Curry had now Steve got a sitc count where
he the principal and he wear a suit and he and then he gets this high top fade making all black men think he got the best lineup in the business and it's a man unit then you ask why why you not a movie star I didn't want to be a movie star that's the same negro that hated on Bernie with this same thing I didn't want to be a movie star no you couldn't be a movie star there are 30,000 new scripts in Hollywood every year not one of them ask for a country bumpkin black
dude that can't talk good over and look like Mr Potato Head there ain't none you would have to have range I played a lot of characters 60 movie roles I'm not playing cat Williams in there I don't know I don't know C we might not let you drink anymore the way you you I mean we ain't even got I'm not fuel by Al I've had a sip less than you the truth don't need motivation I'm just saying I can't let these dudes lie Cedric sitting here telling you why he ain't a movie star he over
here look like a walrus you didn't say nothing he can't even get his arms off his stomach sitting over here why I'm not a movie what it's a situ never wrote anything remember when Cedric the Entertainer starts he's supposed to be singing dancing and telling jokes that's why he's called the Entertainer we found out he can't sing can't dance and doesn't write jokes he did four comedy specials they're so bad Shannon they're not available on Netflix or tub can I say that again for the audience they're so bad that they're not available on Netflix or
Tob you don't think s's a good a good comedian the world doesn't think that sir I have 12 comedy specials he has four specials that are not available on Netflix or Tu it seems to me cat that you had a lot to get off your chest no no you wanted to say the rec winners are not allowed to allow losers to rewrite history I don't say any of these things if my name is not breached by these people on your platform they if you give them liar a platform to lie then I I'm not being
messy by saying hold on that never happened it's untrue and there are hundreds of witnesses for each thing I'm saying so let me ask you this what is your relationship with Steve Harvey Ricky Smiley and Cedric Entertainer as you sit here currently they for 30 years they're a group these aren't three random guys the way that Ricky Smiley kept appearing at all of my auditions is because of Stephen said he would tell anybody that listen they got a gang on that side they know what it is they know who the gang is why earthquake not
in movies cuz he's a literate he can't read and they found that out when they gave him a show and put the cards in front of him like all of these dudes are co- entwined and they share secrets and this is the age of Truth and and and the truth doesn't need to be scared of the fact that people tell lies uh cats on drugs where are the stories why is there no story of anybody who ever sold a drug to me did a drug with me was around me when I was inebriated I got
five daughters I got five Sons why would we tell these ridiculous stories because it's competition you you feel like well why comedies comedy guys can't just get along why why didn't you get along with the other teams you were competing against if you're a Denver Bronco why you don't get along with the Cowboys something wrong with you but I don't disagree I don't just like all the Cowboys cat damn you like just like okay what comedians do you like did you play against the team yes I've taken 46 comedians with me on the road 46
okay I'm not the comedian you can give that to I only put on comedians that are funnier than me anybody that ever told you this ly was a fat fison liar there's nobody like me in the business on just called a straight fison said that getting a Netflix special is easy I have 12 specials guess how many fison got zero why is he allowed to have conversations about real standup people we do not let people who are on the juice discuss real athletes that's all as a journalist that's all that's all I'm saying I don't
have Harbor any resentment to any of these entities because I can't be jealous I've never seen them have anything that I ever wanted if you sign up for their program you get a lightskinned weird faac wife that never do an interview listen in 20 years won't do an interview nobody's ever talked to her and she's never been interviewed anywhere and now understand I'm not talking about one person what I just told you applies to seven people how they all end up with that that's part of what you get I came in this business saying I
was going to expose when I talked about Michael Jackson when I talked about R Kelly they canell me for these things because why would you talk about another black dude race is not where the line is drawn it's God's side and the other side and we don't care nothing about the other side period period all of these uh big di deviant is all catching hell in 2024 it's up for all of them it don't matter if you Diddy or whoever you is TG Jakes any of them the every all lies will be exposed that's all
and and and and anyone who takes that the wrong way know why they take it the wrong way the truth is the light I need have another one of these amen amen [ __ ] kind of get there all right after that I don't really kind of know where to go let me one more [Laughter] time right we good now because the people want to know why would he get black balls yeah ask because because in 30 years I've done nothing but collect information knowledge and your secrets so if you and a man was in
a corner doing something you wasn't supposed to be doing you will tell it no somebody come to tell me okay I gather that I value that I'll pay for that come tell me I know so many things I shouldn't know and they all know it they all know it why because you don't make me the villain not the guy that raises black children and ain't never done a hard drug in his life and don't have no stories of doing nobody dirty and they'll just go out and they'll lie the the industry doesn't mess with cat
cuz he didn't show up through the studi no Studios have ever said that look at my IMDb it will show you that no Studio has ever lost money with me on the script how that's why I'm saying that's why I can't let Ricky Smiley say he was supposed to play Money Mike because I wrote the words for Money Mike I designed the hair for Money Mike I collaborated with the Wardrobe Department and made outfits to make sure that no one in America would be wearing What Money Mike was wearing I told them to go get
the prowler I then told him to paint it purple I told him don't have a actor at playing a pimp we could get an actual pimp Archbishop Magic Don Juan to play like I I did far too much work for somebody to come years later and try to tag along just for their own self aggrandisement why didn't Cube set the record straight Terry Cruz could have set the record straight Mike EPS could have set the record straight why none of them set the record straight that's what you were supposed to ask him when he told
you those lies that no one's ever heard right but he's telling you something no one's ever heard of nobody has ever heard oh Matt a Ben Affleck and Matt Damon was in a movie and somebody said y'all should switch roles like this is a business but that's the thing K normally when people will give you information I'm thinking I'm hearing it for the first time and they're giving information no one else knows or have ever heard so I'm taking them at face value these are like this is like Steve Harvey telling people he used to
be homeless that's my story that's not his story Steve Harvey was never homeless when he Mark Curry was touring with him 25 years ago he was making $3,000 a show in cash and doing five shows a week did they just tell the stories this my thanks to my wife I'm where I am you said that about the first wife you forget that you told us it was her then you went and married somebody else that think like a man like what are you talking about they just they think they can rewrite history that uh uh
guy Tori did a beautiful special about The Comedy Store in Fat Tuesday where he said that Steve and Cedric and Kevin Hart and Tiffany hadish came through there and made all lies Stephen Cedric never performed at The Comedy Store at all Tiffany was only seen at the lab Factory in 15 years in Hollywood no one in Hollywood has a memory of going to a sold out Kevin Hart show there being a line for him ever getting a standing ovation at any Comedy Club he already had his deals when he got here have we heard of
a comedian that came to LA and in his first year in La he had his own sitcom on network television and had his own movie called Soul Plane that he was leading no we've never heard of that before that person or since that person what do you think a plant is maybe people don't understand the definitions of these words he just did his documentary with Chris Rock where he shows you that his whole upbringing and comedy was on the East Coast yeah it was so how simultaneously was he here in Los Angeles doing the same
thing it didn't happen it didn't happen and I I I hate to seem like a petty individual for picking apart lies but Jesse smle gonna keep lying until you say we don't believe you like it's important in the checks and balances of the universe that Liars not get to make complete narratives for themselves are you not afraid about being black balled again these are some power people what do you mean again these people are not powerful Satan can't create anything that includes blessings for his people that's why you know what the number one job of
somebody that they soul in Hollywood is what is to act like it didn't happen they all do the same job why do you think Gary Owen can't cross over and he already white and been in comedy for 25 years if what I say ain't the case it's a cabal it's a it's a Consortium they they rock with who they rock with and they don't with who they don't but I'm not scared of being the competition anymore than you were when you lined up a across from a superior team yeah on paper they're a better team
right they have all the assets and resources and we don't but let us get on the line boy boy and see if that factors in I I guarantee you it won't wow because Shannon sharp got to be a different person than that other person absolutely and he always was that doesn't change when I change teams That Remains the Same that's how a legacy is built all of these shortcut takers I I was they cancelled me for talking about Harvey Weinstein before the thing came out but he offered to suck my penis in front of all
my people at my agency what am I supposed to do he did all of that I'm thinking I'm the only black person on the script I get there it's three other black guys on there woo huh so you wonder what they need to get I told him no what y'all do and this is why when I walk in a room heads go down behind my back I'm nothing I'm just a regular old comedian that's bitter and jealous but in my face no no no the King has walked in and they have to respect it only
because I've not taken the shortcuts I've not been funded they pay you to not talk about things they don't want you to talk about they tell you that themselves I can't do that cuz I Steve told you that he stopped doing standup because he had 17 TV shows the only problem is when he stopped standup he didn't have those seven TV shows he stopped standup because he got in a comedy battle called the championship of standup comedy with one Cat Williams in Detroit in front of 10,000 people and lost because Cat Williams said he was
actually bald and that was a wig and I went in and that's why he couldn't do standup anymore imagine him coming to tell you another story where he got so big and it was burn ER and them's fault cuz they wanted to be movie stars what you called ocean 11 to get that nigga's part what do you mean you didn't want to be a movie star so on the behalf of Bernie I I would have to say what I have to say have you ever been have you ever been on tour with any of these
guys the guy I every guy I mentioned to you is not funny out there in real life so no Faison's never done his own tour in 30 years Steve Harvey don't do stand up no more Cedric doesn't write I'm sorry he doesn't write Ricky Smiley has been playing the same old black woman forever like you can't get a young fan base with that like you got to be doing karaoke around the country to make that work right and he is but I'm a standup comedian this is my 19th 100 City Tour I'm not going to
have a conversation with these lazy bums that'll take a shortcut at any point yes it's easier for you to juice than to get in the gym but you don't get to bring that body in here talking crazy talk about how good you look what no no there's too many Comics out there that are putting their life on the line to tell these jokes man okay let's get to your upbringing we G to Circle back and we get huh I want to protect it real quick you had said for the Kings of Comedy it was in
2018 2019 but did you mean 1999 because it came out in 2000 so I just want to make I no no no so what I meant to say was remember he said I couldn't do standup anymore I had seven TV shows I said he didn't have any of those TV shows at the time you about you about Cedric joke stealer fromed you said that 2018 2019 but it came out in 2000 so I just want to make sure okay no no no no no what comes out in 200000 the original Kings of Comedy right my
I'm on BET's Comic View and they're using this as the commercial in 1998 that's why I'm saying yeah so if I yeah so if I said the dates wrong yes let's go back and clear that up okay you said yeah I had Cedric on here and I asked him about the jok stealing said the timeline doesn't add up correct to your to to that point you say right so he thought that I was just a non-name comedian and that he could take this joke and nobody would know right the issue was that I had already
done this particular joke on BET's Comic View twice right it had done so well on BET's Comic View that they have made it part of the commercial so part of the commercial of make sure you tune in to D was you seeing me doing this joke and this joke is one of those jokes in comedy where you set it up and it takes a little longer to set it up takes about 3 minutes but then you're just hitting them with jokes after that cuz you don't have to set it up right uh Mark Curry had
already helped me work on this joke because I thought it was good cuz I was getting a standing ovation on it he had me go back in the lab and help me craft it to be an even more powerful joke so this is not just a random joke this is my very best joke and it's my last joke and it's my closing joke okay 1998 I'm doing this joke it's on Comic View Cedric comes to The Comedy Store he watches me in the audience he comes backstage he tells me what a great job I did
and how much he loves the joke two years later he's doing that as his last joke on the Kings of Comedy and he's doing it verbatim he's just changed my car into a spaceship him and Steve had already apologized for me so I gave him a pass for a decade why would you sit here and be like I talked to I saw cat 30 times and Cat didn't do as I stand before you Shannon I would have bust Cedric's stomach there was nothing that would have kept me me from one of these in in that
patch right there like are you kidding me why would you downplay me like that why did I give you a pass if you were just going to lie and so that's what I'm saying like they're all a group Cedric Steve Ricky they've been a group everybody knows that they've been aligned and and there are these alliances in comedy and if you stand against them then they sometimes have a problem but we don't let that change the content because that's all you know me for is that I'm quite likely to tell the whole truth and nothing
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books on the NFL only on draft King sports book with code Shannon the crown is yours let's get to your upbringing born in Cincinnati Ohio raised in Dayton Ohio what was Cat Williams upbringing like your parents were Jehovah Witness you were a a prodigy you were brilliant you talked to me that you got accepted in college at seven years of age you can read fluently at three years of age so having that kind of knowledge having that kind of uh of of of of prodigy or so what was so I mean was it what was
your upbringing how how was it how was life as Cat Williams crunk coming up um I I I was often confused because I knew things and I wasn't sure how I knew them um I knew things that I felt like I don't have a reason that I I know know this but I I love to read um I was voracious because they told me when I was young that knowledge was powerful uh that knowledge was power and and I had studied powerful people and I I um I really believe that I I I immediately my
next project was to read the whole Encyclopedia set so when you're like six seven years old you read the whole encyclopedia said you think you one of the smartest people in the world only to get out in the world and find out you don't know anything you know so it um it was a it was a confusing time but yeah I had a childhood I I was grown but I I at 5 years old I was in front of 5 10,000 people given a performance with a full suit and tie on you know what I
mean so it hasn't it had it it it came full circle um for my life I knew that the Applause and um the giving of information and laughs and Truth to people somehow benefited them and also benefited you and um yeah so when they would ask me what I wanted to be everything that I would say that I wanted to be was something that didn't exist and they would never give me credit for it because I needed to say um a doctor or a lawyer but that's not what I wanted to be so your parents
w't as supportive as you would have hoped because you were wanting to be things when you got older that they had no knowledge of or it didn't exist at the time no it it wasn't that it it was um I'm saying I'm I'm almost a 100 years old right now but if we go outside right now I can run a 4340 or or a sub I can do a 416 if I there Jimmy John across the street we can order a sub but um oh you've been on the submarine that what you saw so um
so back then it was even greater so you got this guy that all the coaches want to play don't do that hold on because I'm I'm 5 foot five in the fifth grade I've been this size my whole life like there was a portion of school where I was one of the big dudes like it just as soon as everybody caught they gross spurt I was out of there but I'm I'm saying I was a competitive individual my father was an aete like like like no I've been 145 lbs my whole career that's why I
never bothered when they said your cats on drugs I knew how you going to prove that I'm my body is a temple i' I've been the same size since I was 10 like what do you yeah like I I haven't I haven't changed off this pivot foot this has always been who I was before standup or anything but it was a um it was interesting childhood I I I appreciate my parents even though um I couldn't live within the religious Frameworks of what they had set up um but that was more not wanting to live
a double life and not want to embarrass my family you know what I mean because I read where a form of punishment for you is that they would take books because you mentioned you were such a voracious reader and a form of punishment was when they would to take the books for because you could read fluently you you you told me how like three or four years old you could read read read not not just a a little child's book but you could read read well I'm saying when we when we go to Haiti to
do missionary work understand that my mother and my father nobody that's there with us speaks French and I mean it speaks Creole and reads French so I'm in charge of everything from the housing to the cars to the The Gardener like I I'm saying so I'm not just reading I'm reading in multiple languages like I'm I'm probably reading 3,000 books a year from the time that I'm 8 years old to the time that I'm 12 no no no fiction books at all I'm only reading nonfiction you could drive at 12 you received a full scholarship
to the National Science Academy in Dayton Ohio but you failed so you couldn't become so you would become ineligible why didn't you want to take that opportunity I didn't see it as an opportunity when I got in there all the students were wearing lab coats and it seemed very confined and restricted and nobody seemed like they were having fun it just seemed like everybody was smart I I didn't want that that was that wasn't what I was signing up for at all and plus um I thought that I was I Jesus was my big homie
so you know how you get a story about a dude joined the gang you get a big home right like at this particular point in my life I'm my thought is that the Bible is the greatest book that's ever been written okay that it houses the truth and that it gives you this story of Jesus and that I'm supposed to be like him okay so I it's already in my head that as soon as I get 13 I'm leaving you you you at 13 you don't only like okay Mom I'm moving out you moov from
Ohio to Florida on your own you weren't afraid I mean you like did you did you not so what were you so what were you going to do when you got to Florida don't say I wasn't afraid there's no such thing as a human being of not being afraid okay there are certain human beings that understand that being afraid in no way stops you from doing what you got to do okay so um I I was afraid um but I couldn't be that afraid because I knew what had happened with Jesus I knew how it
worked out I I I knew that I wasn't in the wrong with how I was feeling and I knew that I I didn't have any bad intentions in it right so I trusted God that it will work out why Florida um because I if you're raised in Ohio the one thing on your list is I'm going to get away from snow and I'm going get as far I want to go tell me the place I literally went to a truck stop and I asked all the truck drivers where they was going and there was one
guy going to California and it was one guy going to FL Florida and they told me how long it was going to take and so that's why I ended up in Miami because how do you get there you c a bus or no I just told you I was at the truck stop I he I got in I didn't hitchhike I got in the back of the dude's 18-wheeler me and my Rottweiler puppy and my suitcase yeah because I was I probably had $2,500 on me like I like I was shoveling snow and cutting grass
like I always had Pockets full of money when did you make the decision that you were going to leave Ohio and go somewhere and it ended up being Florida so but when did you know that you were leaving Dayton Ohio going to Florida and my father and I's last interaction um somebody could have not made it and we both understood that was all bad what was the disagreement about um if if you say that my family is very religious let just say I'm not so anything that I I'm going to do is not is going
to fall out of the guidelines right but I'm not going to let you tell me what I'm going to be even especially if what you're saying is wrong I can't condone wrong and if I find out that something is wrong and I tell you it's wrong and you don't back me that's what it is even as a young child you were willing to tell your parents that some of the things that you're saying doesn't coincide with what I've been reading in in in the Bible no no very simply don't don't try to disfellowship me for
sexual acts and I'm a virgin Sorry God Don't Make Mistakes you don't get two times to [ __ ] me over what do you mean you went to God and he told you I was guilty just lied on God so long that's it there's no conversation Deuces that's what it was that's when you made the decision after that conversation right there you say no I can't I can't live under this roof it wasn't a conversation it was an altercation in the altercation I love my father my father loved me but we are two men at
it that it'll never be the same again you can't sleep comfortably around me and I can't sleep comfortably around you how similar are you to your father um I don't I don't know he's a great man I'm I'm saying uh like y but y butted heads right but I'm saying that generally happens with a Father's son Dynamic it was just that um religious relationships are always difficult in families they always are before he got to the point because the dynamic he's father your son before that Dynamic and you step up on his level and you
challenge him you felt it was best for you to leave no no no I'm not being challenged I'm being Beat to Death oh he was abusing I didn't say that I said we were in an altercation oh I see what you did there I saw what you did there I saw what you did there cat I saw what you did you was in alocation you didn't say you lost you say you alation I in no way gave you the impression that I won anything I'm the one leaving I'm out of bounds this his house right
yeah so as long as I'm going to be under his roof there are certain things that I'm going to have to do right and the only way that's going to change is either this or that and I I'm saying I had two younger brothers like I'm not I'm not a a reasonable person like I don't have any mental issues whatsoever despite what they lead people to believe you know I make good pretty good decisions were you not so how was their relationship with your father were you not afraid to leave them well I asked because
it it went all the way to the actual department so it was actually going to be something um and when I asked them if they could just make sure that my brothers didn't get separated and what so have you um they said they couldn't make those type of guarantees that they weren't really sure what would happen if this went down and so part of leaving was the hope that it would be okay for them because n none of them experienced what I experienced I'm saying I'm the oldest it's a out riding on me I'm supposed
to at least religiously hold down the family's name at this household you know what I mean how much older are you than the baby and the knee baby like a lot older like I if I'm I 12 13 yeah they're five and in Pampers wow you go to Florida you tell the story I've heard you you were homeless and somebody else told the story said they were homeless and you said they they hijacked your story now I don't hey I don't at 13 I shouldn't have to tell you I'm homeless I'm in a I'm in
Miami Florida I have no family members in Florida I couldn't buy a house if I wanted to I couldn't get an apartment if I wanted to I don't have a credit history like this is not a stretch for me to say that I'm homeless I'm I'm living in a park in coka Grove the park still exists to this day for eight hours a day I would get up and go to the library and study for eight hours a day to increase my education and then I would leave out of there and go to the marina
and steal car radios and make $2,000 almost daily like I had a routine this so you really could have played that s old thie and Santa Claus you could have played it no the Santa Claus wasn't a thief the the Santa Claus you can't tell me I read the script Ricky Smiley told you he didn't read the script the the Santa Claus was a crackhead he just had that outfit on that's what I couldn't have played okay like I couldn't have played a black guy that got raped in the bathroom right so at any point
in time you like man I made a mistake man I should have stayed my butt in Ohio man cuz this is Man this ain't what I signed up for I didn't experience anything once I left home that I hadn't signed up for if anything it my life me being homeless for that small period of time allowed me to see all of the people that were in that situation and to see that these were lawyers and doctors and and teachers and that these people were white and black and Asian and Indian and the only thing that
all of these homeless people had in in in common was um they made a bad decision and aligned themselves with drugs and I interviewed them all what drug what and guess what Shannon nobody had a great story nobody had a great story of what meth had done for them what crack had done for them what cocaine had done for them what heroin had done for them what speed had done for them nobody had them stories everybody's story was I had my life together and then I decided to do this dumb thing and I lost my
wife I lost my house I lost lost my cars I lost my reputation and now I'm now out here sucking penis in the woods what talk about Scared Straight you ain't got to worry about me if it ain't we the nicotine you won't see me touching it I don't want no parts I didn't seen what these things can do to people anything that take over your free will is the devil itself have you ever thought about what your life would have been had you stayed in Dayton Ohio no that that's like asking somebody that's in
the NBA for 14 years like what would happened if you didn't come to the NBA oh I shutter to think I I I thought it was what I was made for I thought it was what I was built for anybody that knows me will tell you that when they first met Cat Williams when I was Cat in the Hat and they tell these stories about how he changed his name look the truth of the matter is Disney sued me yeah I was Cat in the Hat they sent me a cease and deist letter and I'm
not even making $25,000 a year and the mega company Disney has sent me a Sease and assist telling me I can't use any variations of that name fine I'm Cat Williams that's all that happened I have been this same product the entire time they will tell you when they first saw me doing standup I was just like this this is what I bring this my style when did it when did you know you was going you want were you always funny did you always want to be a comedian how did you stumble on a comedians
ship no I I I loved what they did and so I studied them all of them I studied all of the white comedians because I wanted to know why is Monty Python funny why is Don not so talented I wanted to know what is George Carlin's thing like where so I studied all of the comedy Masters regardless of the field because I loved to laugh I didn't know that these people were making a great living at doing this I thought this is just what they did they tell jokes they're funny people but I loved the
craft and that's why when I got into the craft I thought it was my obligation to make sure that I kept writing new material so much that it forced these comedians to stop doing the set they've been doing for 10 years and keep writing some new stuff and I knew that if I could get that to take on that most of these bums would have to just quit comedy cuz they can't keep up they're not going to keep writing an hour worth of material I've written an hour worth of material 19 times they not going
to do it why cuz they're not creative writers they want to get somebody else and have them write it and put it together so if I'm listening to you correct correct me if I'm wrong I think the best thing that ever happened was the internet because now they have to because normally like you said you could do a set and you do that do that that set in Kansas City people ain't heard it in San Francisco people ain't hurt it in Miami they ain't heard in Detroit Chicago Atlanta so forth and so on now you
do a set it's on the internet somebody heard it so you can't do a set and make it make it last three months four months well it it doesn't allow the regular comic the ability to grow is the real problem like the part of Comedy is me taking these jokes in January and by March I've begun to craft this joke okay it's not as simple as it was when I wrote it it was just da da da da but now it has the complexities of the fact that I'm having to deliver this to a East
Coast audience a Down South audience a Midwest audience a Utah audience a Colorado audience and so it begins to take on a different complexion because you're having to deliver it to different people okay and so this is what sharpens your joke you then take those sharpened jokes that make us special not you just randomly take some so it's a process you don't allow them to process if the first time the guy did the joke now that's his joke and the joke is everywhere that just sets it up for people to steal so how many times
must you tell a joke before you master it how many times have you had to sleep with a woman before you done with her that's not fair if it's great never if if it if if it ceases to have usefulness so it has been spoken right I was I I read that you was raised in in in Florida you had some some help some ladies of the night no no no that's not true no that whole story doesn't take place in Florida that story takes place in Oklahoma City okay so after I'm in Florida I
then join um I try to join the Marine Corps and they won't accept me because I'm I'm too young and I've lied and told him I'm 16 and my family is moving down and I don't have my ID but it's coming and so they let me go to the boot camp that's not going to work now okay so I've learned that lesson so then I get this job selling stuff door too um across the country and so I've been to all 50 states again I'm third 14 years old um so I did that at while
I'm doing that one of the places I'm at I'm in Oklahoma and I've decided I'm going to stay here because of meeting these ladies that you're talking about and that situation I don't know at the time why that's important in my life or why it's something I should be doing or any of that but now later on it certainly helps me in formulating Money Mike for Friday after next and uh pimp Nam slickback uh for The Boondocks San Oklahoma so San Francisco Oklahoma Sacramento from Florida you moved to the West Coast after so you traveling
when did you set up shop on the west coast how old were you been so I I guess I'm uh 18 or younger and I um once I have my once I have a child I realize that um I can't it's a lot of things that I could use to make money that now is noo so anything with Street aspirations that I might have thought about pursuing or been good at um I now am a single parent and I got to redo these things so I need comedy to really work out for me and me
and God go into um extreme conversation where I'm explaining to him that I'm a crash out dummy if he don't send me a Lifeline like I need something I can hold on to before I had left Florida I did stand up one time cuz we was trying to get in the club I didn't have ID so I said I was a comedian they end up having me do five minutes but I kept that in my head that I had done that when we get to Oklahoma they're having a competition for standup and if you win
you get to go out on the road with uh Jeff Foxworthy and Dan Whitney who is Larry the Cable Guy and Richard Jenny and these great Comics you get to open for him and once I did that I realized okay as a comedian I'm like way behind schedule I didn't started this too late all the funny guys are already funny and known names like how am I going to progress so I realized that I I I do better with a white audience than I do with a black audience and I I'm not sure why that's
occurring but the white audience likes me more that's that's interesting so when I move to Sacramento is because Sacramento has a white and a black audience almost 5050 that's almost the makeup of Sacramento so I live in Sacramento for two years until I get to the point where I am equally as funny if the room is black as I am if the room is white okay that's not enough now I need to be one of the good ones when it comes to Black Comics so now I have to move to Oakland and that's what lands
me in in Oakland for 3 years once I have dominated uh male black comedy in Oakland to my liking now I'm prepared to go to Los Angeles now now I know you can't throw me any curve balls if it's a white audience if it's a black audience no matter what they are I'm prepared to deal with all of the audiences do you write jokes according to the audience that you're going to be in front of or or is your joke Universal well in in the beginning I part of my framework is that I'm tailoring every
show to this audience okay and that's how I was able to show my range and show that I was better than my competitors is that I'm Cat Williams but I was still doing clean comedy so I was still going to churches and doing 45 minutes of stand up at the church with no curse words no sex drug material no none of that just straight standup and then I was doing everything else and I every regular clue yeah that was that was the range is that where when in Rome do as the Romans do so um
that's how I started um but as you begin to get better you begin to be able to speak to your entire fan base and that's really what's been helpful is that I've been having the same conversation with my fan base for 12 comedy specials is that what said Cat Williams apart is your range is that you can do a comedy do 45 minutes in the church I can go to a comedy club in front of 250 or I can go into arena with 15,000 that's range cuz everybody can't do that cat well if that's what
range is called then then then yeah it's range but I I like the people I'm talking to you see what I'm saying so it's not it's not like um it can't be condescending because I'm talking to my white male friend when I'm telling that white joke right when I'm talking about this joke about this black lady I know that black lady that's who I'm talking to I'm I'm I'm I'm speaking to this fan base that I've been speaking to from the beginning I already told them what I was on when I first came in I
told him they was going to come after after me they was going to cancel me they was going to say terrible things about me and try to mess my life up I I said that coming in to stand up I'm I'm saying it in my so you knew it was going to be it has to be I know I'm going into the belly of the Beast how could I be naive I know that I'm going into Satan's playground but I'm trying to be so good that you got to bring me in so close that I
can see who's doing what and what's going on in there in San Francisco you join the nation I was ever in San Francisco I was in Oakland you was in Oakland did you join the nation is that yeah Minister honorable Minister faran and I have um an extremely close relationship he he refers to me um as one of his sons so um yeah I I spent a period of time let me explain yes because my particular background was already relig and super strict right I didn't find out about other religions by reading about them I
went to their religion I I I don't want to learn from Jewish people from outside I want to be in a synagogue I want to I I don't want to learn about Muslim people from I I want to be in the mosque I I I don't want to hear about the Baptist or the Pentecostal I want to go to their church and see and so that was the religious discovery that I was on through that period in my life when did you know you were funny probably um about 10 years ago like 10 years ago
yeah about 10 years AG so you didn't think so you didn't think as a child because obviously you said the very structure background your family is was very religious so obviously you didn't get an opportunity um and yeah like I never did a talent show I was never any any extracurricular activities I was never in drama I was never in band camp I was never boy you stay School long enough to get funny cuz you Dro you understand you understand so there was no like I don't I don't tolerate high school games I didn't go
to high school I don't I don't know how most of the games they think I play I'm not even aware of them but but C for you to get on stage and like I said a lot of people like a lot of comedians I had a few here they're like okay you know I told jokes to get girls I told jokes to you know get people to laugh at someone else but you is like at you say you did comedy one time in Florida yeah and you had this other opportunity like in Oklahoma that they
were going to take you out if you won the talent show you was going to go on the road with these these well-known Comedians and I did but I'm just saying how at in Florida at 13 14 years of age you like 16 I can do that well because I knew that there were a lot of other things I could do like when I looked at drug dealers I thought I could do that yeah you so right and who doesn't like that right huh I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to make it but
now that I got to do it on this side I but no you your question was when did I think I was funny I never was my biggest fan to this day I'm not the biggest fan I'm a fan of Comedy I like great comedians like I like Chappelle I like Patrice O'Neal like I like the greats of Comedy because I do like I I like Ron White I like Bill inol like I know Comics like people that did the craft they raised me I was touring with Steve Marell and Richard Jenny and real journeyman
so my comedy upbringing was standard I thought you had to work all night every night all around the country you had to write jokes and that you were trying to write jokes that other people weren't writing and that your job was to be funnier like I people that know me will tell you I've been on this like I I had a list of all the black comedians that were more famous than me there was 300 of them on the list and I had to be able to cross them all out before I could make it
to the next level before I felt like I was funny enough to do that and so I I I I appreciate what competition does for sports and for my particular sport a and comedy is a sport what gave you the comence that you could get on stage you remember I was 5 years old on stage okay but I was re reiterating God's word at that point now I just have to make sure that the content is good if the content is good what part can I not do I'm a vessel he's giv me these gifts
to be able to do certain things so I just want to utilize them in my craft that's all do you remember your first set mhm how long 5 10 minutes no no um I I think three minutes three minutes yeah Standing Ovation booze some Applause some jeers no none of that they they applauded like I was a professional at it but now looking back I understand because you had to understand they were all thinking he don't even look old enough to be in here and we don't have any black guys that live in this town
right where did he come from and then he gets up there and for three minutes he talk about the fact that he is the entire black community right and he is as disappointed in them it looked like they looking for where the rest of them is and so is he and that was his set but I understood from that point that the truth is really the commodity and the fact that that um we are all individuals and all separate and all our own Islands but not in real life in real life it's only five or
six different types of people and you going to see them everywhere that you go and all like all my enemies all look the same in the eyes whether it's faon wand Aries Spears they all look like bab what you got to get W sight you think I don't remember that's sir Wanda Sykes and Wanda Smith are two separate people I mean wand Smith W Smith only say one name Sir W W wand SES is amazing I love Wanda and I agree I love W that's my girl but I I remember on the radio you went
on the radio interview if I'm not mistaken that's in Atlanta right and you came on there with seemingly good intentions and she attacked you it wasn't just that part it was the fact that before I go in there she has a conversation about okay now I just want to talk to you because you just wanted Emy for the City of Atlanta and this isn't Atlanta and they just want to hear about the Emy and hear from you and the thank you for what you did putting the city on and we won't talk about your kids
we won't talk about jail no cases we ain't going to talk about none of that and immediately gets in there and goes the opposite way you can't flip up on me because you're an inferior comedian I'm going to destroy you and I'm never going to call you out of your name I'm never going to say anything disrespectful the people that look like you I'm it's a very thin line I got a call but this lady is trying to embarrass me in front of a largely homosexual fan base that's why she got cancelled gay people don't
take it kindly that you would as a derogatory call me gay gay people don't feel like it's derogatory so why are you trying to shame me with something in a community I don't even belong in there's no gay people saying I belong over there or been over there but I have no hatred of over there and how dare you you did a number on it though hey you did a number on it that that's legendary no you either believe in karma or you don't because I didn't even know any of the stuff that she had
done to my fellow comedians until afterwards I just know she that it was a setup right and and remember they they tried to kill me this same weekend not in jokes with a real gun in my real face on real camera understand I'm losing my life for participating in something that goes along with my job like there two comedians what do you mean and and the world was okay with it because it was me had that happened to anyone else the world went crazy when will smack smacked Chris this is a person pulling a whole
gun on a comedian in the confines of their job it's it's really a weird situation uh when they hate you that bad yeah yeah you felt she hated you at that moment because you you mentioned that she said it was going to be very professional oh you want an Emy congratulations you put the city on you own for the city yada y yada and now did she mention anything about the Emy on camera I believe you saw the video and you know that none of that took place Place see the the issue is that um
all the comedians have to come do these radio stations because you have to sell your tickets and so that means you have to go to the radio station I don't go to the radio station and I don't make post to sell tickets I just don't so you've not seen me I'm I haven't I'm not here in some subservient position where somebody sent me over I'm you hear out of the kindness of your heart you are no no I'm saying yes yes situation yeah for sure yeah and this person knew I wasn't there for that or
yeah it's but how hard because you have to understand she is a female and so you have to be careful you have to handle her with kid gloves sir sir you want to go ahead and take that out you don't want to be against equality do you no no what you just said was very unequal Siro but I think maybe you've had enough of this because I think I just heard you say but you that women are not equal and should be treated unequally I they want to be treated as a comedian no no they
want listen you understand and I understand yeah in certain situations they want to be treated equal not all situations and and what part of what you saw her get oh she deserved everything you gave her what part would have been different if she was a man it would have just been more vicious yeah that that's that's my point that's my point I took all the vicious and then them away because I didn't have any plus I understood I'm not trying to offend black women with short hair I'm not trying to offend heavys set women I'm
not trying to upset fellow comedians I'm not trying to do any of that and I can't I am qualified to be able to do none of that and still eviscerate you because I'm smart enough to know that I need to say that you have gnarled fingers because I know your limited education means you don't know what the word means so you can't possibly respond to it you're not sure of the meaning and I'm going to continue hitting you because this is what comedians do you've been masquerading that you're a comedian to and that's the fallacy
so nobody in boxing fights out of their weight class if you're a 130 pounder you don't just show up with the 160 Pounders you stay in your weight class is that what you wanted to do no that she was out of her League when it came to because I didn't want to do any of it I know you didn't want to but once she took it there you did you feel that you had to go there oh you could you could have said Wanda I didn't come here for that I just want to do the
an VI I just want to talk about what happened oh you misunderstand my job my my job is to be funny my job is to be funny first my first job is to be funny my second job is to be respectful my third job is to be Immaculate and Gaza stripp it huh that's nonpolitical I'm saying if you do a you let a terrorist accidentally touch over here and I won't stop burning you down until there ain't nothing left it'll literally be Rubble on top of rubble and I'll still be bombing why because that's why
you should mind your business this is what F around and find out is about right have you ever been boo cat um yes yeah I have what was that feeling like did it like want to give up cuz we don't I mean because when you have I mean I don't know how early it was in your career obviously it hadn't been in the I don't think it's in the last decade because you've been immaculate have you ever dropped a pass I have I've been booed too you know the little segment between everything is fine and
I got it and then you noticing where it is now mhm yeah it's that um the thing about as a comedian the audience's opinion is the only opinion that matters not you the writer not none of that and so I don't think any comedian has ever been booed unnecessarily either they they deserve oh yeah yeah I'm I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying what what do they say when a guy shoots the air ball in the NBA they say airball to make sure everybody knows but again he still got to get back on D right like
the game didn't end he don't get to throw his hands up and Suk right that's supposed to be used as a learning experience most comedians don't get booed enough I mean this is how you end up with a Michael blackon who's a real African doing a fake African Act okay this guy is mad at me all I did was give him the best advice of his life remember he was wearing dirty dasi and I told him he needed to dress to be in the position that he's trying to say that he's in and if you're
the African king of comedy sir there's actually comedians in Africa doing comedy if you going to say that you got to go to Africa and get a school dude everybody got you you got to put in some work and these guys they take my advice they change their whole persona and and then they hate me for it and generally I'm just too big to comment or make a statement about it or do a live or any of that but when it gets to be a whole grouping of these guys I got to come and talk
to [Laughter] Shannon I got to lay it down at the altar you know every comedian that's this is the other side of Kirk Franklin prank this is the Reckoning 2024 the Reckoning you watch that you know every comedian that's been on my show you know you watched every episode cuz you know that's not what you said you said I know every ComEd you know every comedian you limiting me oh you watched every episode because you you you know things you know things I that that's always where I'm trying to come from whether it's comedic or
otherwise that's why even if you see me get arrested 10 times in a row on TV as a fan of mine you can be like he going to be right out yeah but they just said he ain't do it he couldn't have it's stupid why would he do something stupid knowing he got to come back and talk to us n they they respect that every time it happens I'm going to be free as a bird sitting out here talking to you about it that it really was what I said it was that's all you end
up you come down you're in La yeah now I'm reading Cat Williams won Cedric the entertainers and haer Bush best best Los Angeles comic award did you win that award one Cat Williams is a simple yes or no it's not a rhetorical question it's a question that probably should have been asked to SED the Entertainer I'm asking you I got you here I know I couldn't believe SRA didn't get asked that question you still a D's joking to give a award and then 10 years later you don't know nothing about it hey but I but
I promise you this what if he sees me again before he sees you he'll be talking different when you see him that's for certain that's the difference that's what these Comics understand is that I'm not doing nothing for clout I don't even recognize clout but eventually the Lord is going to let me and you be in one hallway a lot of these dudes go Kevin Harden went 25 years without ever being in the same building with me at the same time if I go in the building he walk out you've never seen us in the
same building ever in 25 years like it's like that why why because I'm really product it's not what you think I am never under the influence of anything I'm always in my right mind I'm always a physical specimen and when you see me I'm much much bigger than you had thought I have far less play in me than you would like and I'm Relentless I'm out there I'm still to this day I play 11 games of basketball with a 20 year old the record is 992 and six this is just in the yard just to
the rack just cuz you work out cat I mean know you work out cat not to the gym you don't work out in the gym you push-ups situps I my whole life it was um it was just push-ups and situps only I would do like um 100 push-ups a day just I thought you GNA say a thousand no no no because this is literally every day this is not for the yeah for the gram you know what I mean like literally 100 a day and I would do push-ups and then I tore both my rotator
cuffs and so it was only thanks to golf that I was even able to get my golf back I've been a golfer for quite some time my short game is impeccable I I I can't get you but but twoing some change off of the um tea off the tea but I'm still I'm I'm I'm still coming in for par guaranteed you playing for the tips uh no i' I found that you don't get anything for that it seems like it seems very ego maniacal they go hey cat for free you can go further back hey
wait a minute does it still count the same hey I'm up at the ladi's tea don't tell me my pronouns on the golf course I'm she her him them and they whoever whoever the front te we're I know we're joking we're having a great conversation but you did win the award how did the award help your career it had to help something cat nope no come on I didn't remember it it happened to you just said it SE how can Cedric give you an award that was worth something everything Cedric and Ricky Smiley ever been
in got cancelled for not being funny Ricky sat here and told you that they cut him out of every movie he did they always had a reason right that's why I'm funny cuz I'm a happy person I laugh all day long I can't even imagine the misery of these bumps just to not be good at what you do not work hard at what you do but have to act like you're the best at what you do it is crazy it's crazy but they be touring they they they be doing like a 100 shows a year
that's me [Laughter] I don't run into none of them that's what I'm saying if you a f on love fan you mean you've been a fan of him for 32 years you still waiting on him to do his first special you mean to tell me if Steve har your favorite comedian you mean you've been waiting for him to do stand up for 15 years now I mean Steve got other got a lot of other DL still out there none of those irons matter to standup who cares that they wrote a plaque card for you to
do Family Feud on like you're you're successful because we're surprised you can talk for a living and it's entertaining that you going to say some funny country things but not a writer right not a writer how did you develop Money Mike and get it I mean that I mean everybody Talk Money Mike is how how did you come up with that and say you know what this is how he should dress this is how he should talk this is how he should look this is the kind of whip he should ride this is how he
should talk so if you'll remember that that was my first movie just understand that what I did then I've done with every single role whether it was an Emmy winning role or whether it wasn't whether I was playing somebody homeless whether I was playing a dirty Vagabond on Atlanta whether it was an eccentric guy in first Sunday regardless of what the role is the first thing I do is Erase Me from it okay so anything that I would naturally do that's what I'm not going to do because I'm playing a different character the character okay
right so I then create this person based upon real life circumstances so I don't have to wonder what a pimp thinks cuz I've been in that position for a little while I also worked manual labor for some time in my life so I don't have a problem paying somebody at works and I don't have a problem being a go-getter cuz I'm a go-getter so I bring whatever I can to these characters I was able to um the first week that I got the script there was a a pimp guy that used to be a pimp
but he wasn't anymore he was a rapper now and his name was M Minister and he um had been a pimp and was going to be a rapper and I had never done a movie before I was a stand up and I'm getting ready to do the movie and so I was able to craft what a real pimp was like what was too much I didn't want to be stereotypical right I I I did the research I saw how many times people played pimps and they were always it was always something weird about them I
guess cuz it's a weird job you know what I mean and I wanted somebody that didn't seem like none of that that he really thought it was a business and treated it like that and so you know those adding those levels to acting is what all actors do if they're not Steve or Cedric or Ricky like you're trying to create a character you don't you can't just be faon in every movie like you just going to take your shirt off on every movie like why does it say that in your script man let Big Worm
live let him breathe cat let big let let let Big Worm breathe sto him out now you having an unnatural allegiance to losers is not like you no I ain't got no allegiance to the man but you got to admit the role that he played big work I mean big perm in Friday night you got to give him credit for the role now come on now let me ask you a question yes if what you're saying is correct why wasn't he in next Friday or Friday After Next I mean his role I mean it wasn't
good sorry there was a lot of people that didn't that appeared in the first one that weren't in the second one cat I'm just telling you why I'm sorry I'm sorry that it's a that a news flash that there are reasons for things in a business yes oh okay well what what you why would you what why did you bench DLo he had two points what are you talking about shut up but I like him nobody cares about that that's not what we're talking about these are business conversations that deal with businessmen right right right
when you're good at something you should progress the guys that are not as good they should fall down by the wayside that's natural there were they so you believe if your talent doesn't support it you should fall by the way sides and the guys that have the talent and to get elevated they should move no that's what water says that's what the universe say the universe say the levels the every no I don't not I say who am I I'm nobody but I'm working every day as if I think that's what should happen is how
it should be and I'm choosing comedians that also write and work hard and don't steal other people's material and I'm making sure that they all make $300,000 uh a a season and I'm making sure that they're not ever signed to me or my conglomerate and that's why they're successful no you can work with me and still be an independent businessman boss owner like you came in right I don't need you to be subservient to me that's those other guys that make you pay dues you said earlier that you rewrote a lot of what Money Mike
was to say and how he behaved so they allowed you the the the the freedom the Liberty to add Li how much would they allow you to just make an interception if it didn't nobody talk about it as a football player if the ball come your way can you just grab it can you make an interception anytime are you allowed to pick up any fumble are you you can do any hustling right oh okay same here same here but here's the thing though even as a even as an offensive player they might let me add
live once I get a couple of years into my breath they would letting me add Li as a rookie that was your first movie I I told you the conversation in my first movie just because I'm I am committed to laughs the only way I made it past those 300 comedians I didn't tell you this what it required is I had to watch all 300 comedians 10 times a piece I watched your set 10 times of you performing whoever you were and then I counted how many laughs you got every time you did these amount
of minutes so if you told me this uh comedian and told me he did 30 minutes I could tell you that he got 26 laughs in that 30 minutes because I had done the numbers on everybody so I didn't just say was funnier I knew I was funnier than the comic you liked and I could tell you how many jokes funnier I was because that's how we judge stand up you do 15 minutes I do 15 minutes how do I know I'm funnier than you cuz you got six laughs and I got 16 I'm almost
three times better than you lowkey boy boy but I'm never going to tell you the formula so you going to keep just going out there telling jokes now understanding that I psychologically the Audience by 10 years is convinced that I'm funnier than you they just don't know why cuz I'm putting out more content better I had Terry Cruz on here he said at the time that you did the movie you were homeless is that true um this was my situation I five months prior to me getting this first audition for Friday After Next I got
this baby son I'm holding him up above me he grabs my little chain he's playing with it and he accidentally drops it it breaks out my front two teeth I'm in a situation now where when I go to the dentist they telling me this going to cost thousands and thousands of dollars to fix this right they're not telling me what it's going to look like like I go get an estimate with no money involved find out what I need to do they find out you got a tumor in your upper jaw so we're going to
have to do a whole surgery for you it's going to be 100 Bands I don't have it I don't have it and um I'm only going to have this check from this movie so while I'm doing this movie we live in this trailer um this where we live so when they come to work at 5:00 in the morning we already there when they leave at night we still there we just double back um because we understood that this is our one opportunity um and we have this opportunity to change our lives just like a young
man going for the draft we can actually get in the league with this there are 30 comedians on this cast they're all magnificent this is the Holy Grail of the situation um so yeah I was able to make sure that because it wasn't just my first movie it was KD Al Bear's first movie it was Terry Cruz's first movie absolutely I was the leader of this group which meant that we did we didn't do their rehearsals they did rehearsal we did our own rehearsals daily to make sure that we were at the level of professional
actors which is what made it so egregious that guy saying I was supposed to you were supposed to what KY did have a good part in the movie Man the Santa Claus was funny man the dude said the entire time we're filming I can't play this role they got a bandana over my nose and my mouth my th they not even going to know who this is so yeah tell your story he's t uh Terry Cruz also said that you guys had a lot of had a lot of conversation that this was your opportunity and
you needed to seize this moment Terry had the benefit of having been in some very high-profile situations already and took L's like he had been in the league you know what I mean he he he had um done pro wrestling he had done a lot of things he had been televised and some things that hadn't worked right and this was just for ous for him and now you know what nobody has ever said in the whole industry in 20 years about you know the whole money mik not getting raped in the bathroom right so I
understood going in that there's no reason I lost every for a five-year period every single movie that Kevin Hart did was a movie that had been on my desk that all I had said was just can we take some of this step and fetch it [ __ ] out and then I can do it like it don't need to be overtly homosexual cuz I'm not homosexual right it doesn't need that to be funny right and and me saying that and them going oh yeah no problem and then going to give it to this other guy
and having him do it just like it was and acting like I'm a bad person because I keep standing on my standard but um yeah it's uh it's interesting but I wouldn't change it for the world like again I'm I'm on The Winning Side of these decisions you know look I've had Cube I've talked to cube a lot of people say Cube don't doesn't pay what's your relationship with Cube and what did that opportunity mean for you well the ungrateful bastards that would say anything about cubes payment you shouldn't even talk to them anymore like
you don't you don't go to Goodwill you don't go to a Goodwill thrift store and go look at all this cheap ass [ __ ] W you shut up why you shut up you could have went to Hermes why you didn't go to Balenciaga why you didn't get a B of the ball main you want to have that conversation what you mean the independent black dude who's filming it partly out of his [ __ ] pocket what you mean he didn't pay you enough they weirdos weirdos that felt like they earned the opportunity because they
were big no no I understood a't no $200 million movie why how much did you expect you was going to make well I made enough to get them T fix just like you did so so I it was no harm no foul I knew that I was going to go from there and there was no there was no turning back for cat William well here's the thing um I wrote it what I'm saying I'm saying if I did it and I did a good job at it you can thank me I was involved right I'm
not going to come later on to tell you I never even read the whole script so how you know where Rose what what do you mean you never read like you like these guys whole job is to present something unfortunately and I'm just not a presenter if you ask me a question I'm just going to tell you the truth of how I went would you be willing to do another Friday you already asked me to write it I was supposed to have been writing it that's this is what these guys are mad about like we
lost some great people before this movie could come out regardless and so yes there desperately needs to be one um um but um we miss John Witherspoon in a way that can't really be Quantified if I'm being honest with you and um the Chris Tucker that we got now is Epstein Island Chris Tucker not smokey oh Lordy if I didn't know nobody i' tell you he's the greatest I don't care what to say to be confident and not delusional is a real skill most of these confident people we see is really Del well you don't
think you don't think they ask Chris Tucker to come back in the second in the in the second Friday smokey smokey was all in Smokey there ain't no Friday without Smoky we all agree to that and there's no next Friday without Friday and there's no Friday After Next without n we talk about the RO because you said if they don't here's the thing here's the thing Chris was allowed to make thec DEC ision at the time that this is happening Cat Williams is known for smoking weed Willie Nelson is known for smoking weed snoop's known
for smoking weed but none of us is really known except Willie and I'm saying Chris Tucker didn't want to be the poster child for smoking weed he don't smoke weed like that he in the church he Michael Jackson's best friend Christmas Michael Jackson call him Christmas you ever met a man that gave you a little nickname like that n mm- me [Laughter] neither must be the greatest man I ain't going to be able to get nobody back I ain't going to be able to get no more comedians they all coming no they ain't are you
kidding nah hey I promise thing I got all the rest of them I don't I don't got the ones I promise you everybody trying to double back you going to be having to beat him off with a stick you won't let him they're coming much as you on death Comedy Jam Comic View what were those experiences like what do you what do you remember most about de Comedy Jam and Comic View uh Comic View was everything um Comic View was really The Break um and not Friday After Next just because Comic View was just 3,000
of your standup peers and we just throw sets of all of them up there and we see who the audience likes who do they like and um it was a great Wild Wild West time to be involved in comedy and um the same is true for Death Jam because uh Hip Hop was a fad at one time and Hip-Hop ain't going to last and why you doing that um and that's how it was for blue comedy um if you were a comedian that cussed you were ridiculed by the mainstream comedy Guist that would be like
me being on Joe Rogan Joe don't want me on there I need to be on Shannon Joe Joe got six comedians that never been funny he want to push out but that's really how it is I'm so sorry I'm competitive you're an athlete right yeah yeah I I can tell you understand will there ever be another comic new de Comedy Jam could could could that in today 24 25 26 could we see that again they've already announced it it's already going you didn't know mm yeah Kevin Hart purchased it so he's now doing uh ComEd
view that happened at the same time that they gave DC youngfly uh Hollywood Squares yeah because they tell you that there's no Gatekeepers but we keep seeing the same people open the gate didn't Kevin open the gate and let Tiffany in and he now opening it up for don't such and such open the gate what do you mean ain't no Gatekeepers there 100 Gates out here would you I I everyone I've seen got a keeper would you have wanted to do Comic View a de Comedy Jam would you have wanted to be I think we
just mentioned I did them both no I'm saying he purchased the rights and rranch it nope they didn't offer it to me anyway like Comic View did a couple disservices to Comedy as well so there were people like me that were out there getting two and three standing ovations in one set and that wasn't good for television so what they did was they started making everybody get a standing ovation so they would tell the audience when they get off stage Everybody Get Up and cheer and so now the fact that I'm the only one out
there going to get standing ovations is now making people think everybody get a standing ovation and that's not how comedy is so I I understood why that couldn't go anymore because remember Ricky Smiley sat right here and told you a story about how he performed with uh Mike EPs and Cat Williams when he did Comic View and to let him tell it he was funnier than both my name little yeah talking about the special needs that's o That's good that's a different that's some clever material that was a different time cat no it wasn't it
was the time I was there but I'm saying that time this time same times no but I'm saying just like people that tell you the Egyptians they're not black Egypt is in Africa folks as long as Egypt is in Africa then Egyptians are African do you believe you could tell the same jokes today as when you started out I mean Eddie Murphy not telling those jokes Richard proud not being wouldn't be able to tell those jokes in 2024 that they told in the 70s and the ' 80s so they wouldn't have told them but that's
my point they're not inferior people no if they were in this time they will be going according to our time just like then we were going according to that like that's how it is in the world there are words that we can use for a while and we use them for a while until somebody says that ain't a good word we should stop saying that correct that don't make people feel good and we stop saying the word and we move on to another word you can't say say the r word you can certainly say special
needs you can certainly say Spectrum you can you can you there are things that you can say to get your point that don't have to hurt people but you would know that if what you did was construct the English language for a living then you would understand that part you financed your first standup you had 20 it cost you 22,000 you had 25 to your name what why did you decide to do that you you you you believe that much in cat I believe that much in business in business the goal is for you to
become independent and be the boss take the responsibility and also get the profit okay that's all how how how can I be looking for you to put me on if I wouldn't and if I can't show you what you missed out on why would you believe me now the fact that I was able to do it 12 times that's the real thing the thing the part that I'm able to do it all across the country the fact that every time I do a tour or a special you think that's sponsored by somebody somebody did a
good job no no just just the guy they're kicking around just the one that might mentally not be all there he's the one picking the outfits writing this guy's material booking the shows making sure he gets there he's the one hiring the other comedians but hey I knew that that's the end goal so if that's the end goal and I'm there when I start why would I deviate from that right remember I I I I my goal was to get this far in Hollywood and still have a virgin [ __ ] and never had sucked
the penis that was my only goal I didn't want to get with a white woman cuz I was scared she might have me running down the street like Jonathan go Pi not because I didn't like white women I think white women are as great as any other women but I'm not going to act like I'm not scared of them I have a reason to be scared you could be K the Conqueror and they could take your rabbit ass down in two weekends and that's the truth of the matter so I stayed away from that and
remember I told you the drug story from when I'm in the Park yeah so these are just the things I had all of those when I came in already was ready for that that's what they don't like I did not know you you're telling me and showed me a side of the business that I didn't know that you guys are man the competition the competitiveness that's all business I don't care if they're selling Coke you wouldn't believe the things that Coca-Cola says about Pepsi he wouldn't believe the water conversations between between danani and liquid death
like in all business in All Sport competition is a driving force I don't require anybody to be better who am I I just require if you're a loser and you've taken shortcuts at every chance and you've made sure that you didn't put anybody on that really had a work ethic and was a God-fearing person and you helped that if that was never you then don't act like that's you don't get out here now that you don't do stand up and start acting like oh you not sure why you don't do stand up no more I
heard you got to run off you better be careful the [ __ ] that run you off going to show up and he going to tell everybody and what you going to be able to say nothing why you think I speak with such Clarity I'm actually involved in each one of these stories I told you about right right the one comedian as we've been sitting here doing this interview that you hold in very high regard is Dave Chappelle Dave Chappelle walked away from 50 million you said it was more tell the story that's right I
want let you tell it no you're you're I want you to tell it you really are the best you proving it here today as much as I'm proving it you proving it you proving it um yeah that wasn't the thing it wasn't people say that he lost $50 million no no that's not even close to what happened to this dude and until you understand what happened to the dude you don't understand what happened like no not they offered him 50 million and he turned it down who going to turn down 50 million now I've had
to turn down $50 million four times four times just to protect my integrity and that virgin hole I was telling you about right uh cuz P didy be wanting the party and you got to tell him no youve got to tell him no I did I did I got the receipts for everything I'm telling you that's why I can say them so I need K I need know you here get you know thank you sir thank you come on cuz early on you was accusing me been K man it's crazy I mean but you know
the some of the people Martin tried to put me in my first dress when he had to go on his Hiatus he tell me cat when I come back I need you you my young partner you my brother in comedy when I come back just promise me that my next movie it'll be me and you we going to do it together we going to do some buddy cop [ __ ] I said Martin you got my [ __ ] word my [ __ ] go do what you got to do when you come back I'm
in your movie don't trip I don't need to see the script or nothing you know we get in that office and this fool pull out Big Mama's House too I almost died and I got to read this script from all these good white people where this [ __ ] want me to get in a dress with him and I'm liter literally saying to everybody why is he in a dress again you already played the old lady as FBI agent we can play anything now we can be playing a dog catcher this time why do we
need to be in a dress and I get so mad I say you don't want me you want Brandon T Jackson and that's who they went and got twice I said that they went and got him just like I'm telling you I had that other dude's work I had all of it all I did was say I want to punch it up so it's not offensive to real [ __ ] and that's how I got in this position Lord I sure hope I have a club Shay after this year it's going to be in a
dimension it's never been yeah it's going to be it the greatest thing floating in 20 Mark the words no way in a in a whole different realm of business Oprah coming next oah Once I establish this as a place of Truth yeah oh yeah watch Watch God's people ain't that few yeah Prince you met prince prince was a friend of mine he was a friend of mine what was those convers cuz he look I mean sometimes we don't really understand or or appreciate someone until they're gone I did I was a big Prince fan all
of this stuff because he could play all the instruments he could sing he could dance he was an entertain that could say and what he wrote I mean who thinks a cherry moons who thinks it snows in April who a Raspberry Beret or Pink Cashmere the thing the Purple Rain the things that he wrote about like bro who who mind goes there yeah he was um he was like any unlike anybody in the world um he he was um he was just an amazing individual I I was able to meet him when I was 12
and I knew him um my entire life through all of his changes I was able to um assist him many times if you go look at Prince's car collection you'll see that Prince don't have not one car Cat Williams Ain't Got he got the prowler from Friday After Next sitting there he got the same Bentley as me like because we share certain things our our connection was lyrics Musical lyrics um women and cars and that's those are the areas where he trusted uh my opinion on things and um that's where I got to be helpful
in his life and he was helpful in mine in um really all different types of way especially about the business as far as being a black man that was rich in this business at 18 years old had already did his first million dooll contract had already broken Records Was determined that he did didn't want to be like anybody else was so great of a guitar player that black people just stopped caring about guitar and he got left out on the limb and somehow still had to create his way out of that he was just really
a u a one in a billion type person I was lugging and on now they are specials and the streaming um I don't know I don't think there's as many there's no DVDs now so where so so are you on this this streaming the specials I mean obviously you you still tour but how much do you focus on okay I'm going tour say 100 days or 150 days but I'm going to do a special well now that our relationship with Netflix is at the eight figure Mark um eight how how you said eight how often
you want to make them you you said eight I mean like like five six seven eight got to be 10 million to qualify yeah so what I'm saying is once you're at that level how many would you do I I I I'd be willing to bet you say every time you turn around I'm going to be doing another one I think that's what you would say if he was any good and like I said like I said with 12 comedy specials why do I need to be in these conversation with these specialist people said ain't
got no special you remember Steve ain't got no special you remember Ricky ain't got no special you remember Fon ain't got no so why do yall special y it was 20 minutes long it was good too though it was he's good not it was good he's good qu he's good don't think because I said something um derogatory that I I don't I don't know how to hate earthquake has consistently I don't think anybody's ever said Quake wasn't funny he he probably never been booed yeah don't think I don't think he's ever given a bad performance
but but um but his just do was overdue he was in a whole different situation yeah because he wasn't able to translate the standup to the movie thing he took a hit most people don't take a hit they're just judged on their standup so yeah no I I I even though it sounds like there's a lot of people I don't that's not the case I I am uh I a proponent of all of us who are in this business working hard trying to make it when you got into standup was crossing over was doing TV
was doing movie was that a was that a part of it you like okay I'm I'm doing standup okay next next the the next progression is TV movies throughout throughout the history of standup sir that's that's the goal for all of us that's how it goes that's why when you hear these dudes talking about oh I didn't want to be a movie star you just know it's disingenuous like what are you talking about dude yeah oh no no I just wanted to do a game show right what are you sure are you sure cuz I
thought you did Mark Curry's show over after he had just done hanging with Mr Cooper why would you do all of that man stuff that he did on his show on yours and then do the D standup when you go on the road and then you never put Mark Curry on your show or nothing like if you don't say anything these dudes will run over you I don't know if you know how bullies operate but if you don't stand up for yourself there really is nothing they won't do right you're a very generous man cat
uh you you're the sole sponsor of melore getting a start in Hollywood Walker Fame you sp you did all that on your own why what do you have a personal relationship with Mel No No I um I I understood that she was a black woman in a time where it mattered what you look like and they had a certain thing that they needed you to look like and act like in order to be successful and she just never did that she wasn't tall enough she wasn't fine uh they didn't like her looks they didn't like
that her hair was natural they thought crazy about her and yet she still made all of these achievements and I'm like understand I'm already in the comedy Hall of Fame I'm already going to heaven no matter what happens if it ends in a second I'm up there so it gives me the leeway to do some things that are simply because it's the right thing to do so the truth of the matter is they wanted to give me a star but please don't consider me and this this person been sitting on this list this whole time
and just cuz they ain't got enough money they can't get they just do that's crazy when do you start that that's hurtful what if somebody can't afford their flowers you mean they don't get them no God don't operate like that he would send a dummy like me to come and take care of that just so that the right thing happens that's how the universe work because remember I don't what am I spending my money on I'm not spending my money on strippers I ain't spending them on drugs like stripper because if I go in if
I go in a strip club I'm only trying to get her out of there yeah I have no intention of her or any other people being in this position if I see a girl I like at the strip club I'm telling her you know you don't have to strip no more after this this could be your last day D how about that oh what would it be like just to leave it all you ain't got to be a ho no more I don't even want you to go get your purse just leave it we get
new ID we get new ID in credit in Social Security card we don't need none of that none of that none of that this life don't look good on you [ __ ] you don't even look like a drug addict got me thinking got me thinking C right you he these athletes talking about yeah we was out there tricking what why you're part of the problem you're part of the problem stop paying people that you don't have no respect for it sets it up bad for us we got women out here can't find a man
cuz they acting like him you a alpha now the alphas all want these subservient husbands you can't have one no that ain't going to happen it ain't going to happen sorry about that okay go ahead boy you done got me cancelled how many times in this program where's the camera I didn't write nothing I said tonight it's all been on these Q cards and I'm just going to keep reading them ask your next question the Migos do you help them get out of financial situation I I don't think we ever as a nation can remember
a time that the Amigos were financially unsuccessful so for the record I would assume that they've never needed Cat Williams financial assistance for anything I'm sure that between QC to label and other things they were taken care of on the other hand if I was given the opportunity to help them would I of course I would that's what I do I'm I'm I'm a pro black non-racist like I really really love black people but I don't love them more than other people I love everybody I just I'm a black guy and I I I I
I try to stick with that but um yeah I I'm I'm not one of those uh pillow talkers either like when I do something good I'm really not doing it for the gram it's not it's not for it's not for any of that I'm just doing it because it's good to do I appreciate that I read I don't know if this is true but I did read that comedians on your show say that women sometimes would bring them money and not say where it came from say that again comedians would say women would bring them
money and not say where it came from right so um I'm not a feminist like um a feminist would be but I do believe that there are no there that in my camp like if I had 35 people in my Camp right I believe that other than four jobs I believe that a woman is better at any of them jobs than any man could be okay so 10 of these jobs no man can work because I rather a female be there if I got to smell anybody's breath I want it to be hers I don't
want none of you crusty like I so so what I'm saying is if if in a staffing issue I'm going to have 75% women just I prefer them I I don't prefer to hear two guys talking in the corner I prefer to hear two ladies talking in the corner I don't care what they're talking about I just prefer that so A lot of times I will utilize ladies to convey a message if a comedian is doing a great job um somewhere in the country he he just did a masterful set and nobody's gonna pay him
they just clapping and I know he's broke as [ __ ] back there wouldn't it be nice if somebody just showed up and gave him a little blessing and he didn't have to suck me off for it and thanks scat and boy I really needed it why would you do that if you was actually just trying to help people you would people know that's how I pay my ties if I got paid $100,000 to be at your city I'm gonna take 10,000 of that and put it in your homeless area not because I got to
cuz you gave me a 100 racks to come to your little Rinky Dink Town who would I be to not pay my ties back to your town that's how I got in this position wow you adopted seven kids why that's a lot of kids for a man that's as busy as you are travels as much as you do on the road as much as you are spend a lot of time because you have to spend a I mean it's not easy I mean maybe it comes just so comes so natural to you to put pen
to paper and to write things down and be able to go out there and perform a set but that's a lot of responsibility cat right right but if there was a god what would he think about you if you did that I'm saying let's just let's say for example that God is real okay and let's say he be looking at what you do yes what would he say if you did that he said that c that's that's a very that's a very kind gesture that's very generous of you my whole life since I was telling
you when I was young and they was asking me what I wanted to be and nothing I wanted to be was what I wanted to be God's friend that's a weird thing if you atheist if you an atheist I didn't even say nothing but if you believe in God and I tell you that I wanted to be God's friend and I wanted to even go to Hollywood and still be God's friend if I told you that that was my aim you could understand where I'm at like I promise you I no jealousy no bitterness no
none of that I got exactly what I was trying to get I haven't been shorted in any way I mean seven eight kids single you going to get married you remember the conversation where I was where it was me yes and and I didn't know what was going to happen to my two little brothers and they was just going to be out there yes so when it g full circle and I'm one of the I'm one of the richest men that ever lived and I don't I don't I don't mean please don't look at my
net worth I saw my net worth I I had that on me I swear to God what I'm saying is like I'm saying my net worth is less than my last Netflix deal you understand what I'm telling make it make sense but I'm fine Jesus was poor Jesus Ain had nothing so why don't be mad you say I don't have nothing they have the minut they have back then okay say it again we got different amenties now not not more than gold gold was the amenity of that time we still got gold gold still run
it they have no rolls Roy they got you you could buy you could buy a ass that's what they call it in the biblical time it would cheap I'm saying if you really want to say I'm saying a color n is cheap so back in the day I would get my girl a donkey today we get her a color n but I'm saying whoever I'm saying whoever whatever it is I'm saying we yeah I'm saying because what we going to do I done already told you I'm one of the richest people that ever Liv yes
only in the fact that when I wake up in the morning no matter where I am I don't need nothing whatever I need is right around me and whatever I don't have it's only just cuz I don't have it it's not cuz I can't get it all I got to do is want it and it belongs to me so because of that because I'm faith by God like when I see people's wives and stuff I don't even look at them you know what I mean like I I don't want to look at nothing I don't
want to have because I I know how blessed I am if I look at it I got it that's how Diddy be feeling Come on B so you're not supposed to look at anything that you don't want not me personally just because God has given me literally everything I ever even pump faked like I want and that's the whole thing that's that's the whole thing is I don't I don't have a type of woman every woman that I ever had as a type I ended up getting her now she's not the type anymore now I
understand that every woman is a one of one like you can't really have types what cuz see how he trying to ask me something about marriage but then about no marriage yeah you did when you rewind the tape you you let it out you was like so you ever going to get married and then you took it back it's okay it's okay I was known as a photographic memory are you I'm not against it like most people that are not married is because they afraid of commitment not that like that for me it's just the
whole time I wanted to be married I I had kids so I had to try to fill my wife's place before she got there so I'm already got kids without a mother but so now I got to be doing laundry I'm I'm washing dishes I'm reading stories I'm having to nurture I'm having to do all of this and I got to the point where I didn't need the wife I'm doing it and we're doing it and I'm not replacing a woman in their lives I'm letting them see that that's just the only thing that we
don't have and um it was easier for me to do that because you have to understand that all of the kids I'm raising at this point they they have fathers you see they have a mother you see I'm a different person I'm raising you and so that needs to be done with the other respect for the others that put work in as well so yeah um I I never had a problem getting married I what's one of the one things you try to teach your kids I don't teach anybody anything that's over 18 I've done
the work I was going to do but as kids I really just tried to teach um the things that can't be bought um your integrity um trying to live your life in a way that you yourself could be proud of if you had to look back on it and um um I didn't do very good at leading by example but behind the scenes I was that that's never what I was pushing um um um they understood that because of my stance there was a certain thing that would come my way and so accountability and responsibility
is part of what you're teaching is that you know even if you're doing the greatest thing in the world there's this thing called no good deed goes unpunished like there's a real Murphy's Law like basically in raising kids you just trying to give them a better manual and an outline of how life Works than your parents gave you you know and so um that's how I did it how do you avoid toxic women give me give me give me I mean so I mean because obviously you know you like women I do and I probably
like toxic ones more than anybody because ask hold on because toxic women are exciting and that's just a fact part of toxicity is exciting I rather skydive with her uh but but but if you have toxic women just understand that all monsters are feeding off of something and if you find out what this toxic woman is feeding off of you can just begin to turn off her feeding points and it drives a toxic person crazy and they'll get away from you so whatever if if she's truly toxic there are certain things that she's doing that
help fuel her toxicity you're not noticing it but it's what it is why do you think she watches murder mysteries before she goes to sleep why is it always a crime drama playing and turn it off turn it to cartoons make no no you don't get to what she listening to you going be listening to sexy red you're broke toxic people are trying to get things they're not being toxic for no reason they're gaining something out of how they operate that's why they operate like that cuz they get something soon as you find that out
you'll be able to cut off what they getting and they will leave yeah you were married once never you weren't married never in life so would you have a cohabitation agreement never how how can I be a single parent and be married you two you know there are people that like were married and then they get divorced and then they become single parents that's how that works yeah but a person who's never been married means he's never been married okay okay I'm going to take your word for it why would you need to take my
word for it hold on hold on if I had been married wouldn't it somebody said who she was no it might have been a long time ago no I've never not been famous sir I've just I just I just work the story out to you that I don't have no hidden mysteries in my life that was Jesus I don't have no periods in my life where it's unaccounted for no no no that person that said that was a liar I got a case right now in La this lady say she was my assistant for 14
years and I hurt her or something like that I never worked for me not a day in my life Liars lie cuz they want to but people always say why would they lie no there are several women have said they was married to me it's just when it went to court they had to say I was married to him spiritually you shut up how you going to be married to me my kids don't know you answer me that so do you have a problem do you have a problem bringing women around your kid no not
then or [Laughter] now I've always lived with several women like I'm known for several yeah like more than one I've already told you that I prefer the company of women to the company of men so if I told you that me and a couple dudes on my staff sometimes have to cohabitate nobody finds a problem with that yeah so it's me and three ladies cohabitating because that's how the business gets done like I don't want a chef that scratches his nuts for it Cooks I don't like I no disrespect to these guys that go around
with these large male only groupings but that's not my episode Entourage man you were approach you were approached by seven Gman you were robbed shot in the thigh say it again you were robbed once correct no I've never been robbed you didn't get robbed you didn't you didn't get approached by government trying to get robbed they didn't take anything I wasn't even the I wasn't even um the target I wasn't even who they were talking to and not because I say that because if you look at what time period it is I'm not even making
5,000 a year so robbing me wasn't answer this is for Oklahoma you you talking about a terrible condition they have been disappointed thinking they get some mother for you huh if they rob you look I in three cities there it's legendary that Cat Williams would walk down our streets with his baby in a baby stroller with a diaper bag with a gun in a diaper bag the only thing I need is a pass don't mess with me and just let me go about my business I I'm living in Englewood Compton I'm living on Manchester and
Western I'm in La the gang capital of the world but never robbed because why I'm not pretending to be something I'm not you think I'm a blood you think I'm a [ __ ] I'm from Ohio I'm a comedian I'm a father right I'm trying to do something out here and not only do I not judge what you doing I'm not trying to be involved right that's the difference that's where the respect comes from to you're touring right now Dark Matters the Dark Matter tour yeah filing next of uh Netflix special in May May yep
next Netflix special oh YouTube theater in Englewood I'm about to catch that I thought you might said that I'mma catch that one right because it's a homecoming for me because I lived on um I lived on Hazel so you know I got to catch people know I lived in the heart of Englewood they saw me walked down Marcus Street with the babies I'm raising like they understood that no no no I was really not pretend oh he want to be from the hood no I'm living there on the street what's your favorite City to tour
in the next one sir yeah that's the that's the real beauty of travel right that's why most people don't have the empathy and the sympathy that they need to have for other people they haven't seen other people like if you went to Ireland and you saw what people was like and you went to Sweden and saw what them people was like if you really went to Africa and you really saw what the people was like you went to Haiti you went to Puerto Rico if you really traveled across the country you would see that all
people is the same way more people that's good than the [ __ ] up individuals you seeing and if you understood that it would change everything so I don't I I I don't have any favorites in the world just because every place is dealing with their own issues their own troubles all places look better than they actually are for the people that live there and it's always a difference between what it seems like what it actually and what it is like people will tell you I went to Paris I was there at the Eiffel Tower
did you had dead bugs and there were ramps everywhere the food was terrible tell the rest of it don't tell some let me ask a question when you go when you go to these cities to tour do you make it a habit of getting out that's how I built my reputation that's also how I ended up in jail 19 times uh because when I come to do a show I'm really in your city so whatever the strip club is I'm there whatever the top bar is I was there drinking whatever the I was never you
had a casino I was at it like what was it huh cuz I'm at you City I'm this is how I'm learning your city so that when I do my show I can be talking about what I know not what I think right and so that was what I did at every city that I went to the first 15 minutes of my show is what it's like to be here you see what I'm saying and so that was always a part of what kept my Legend going to the point where I can still be in
these Arenas without you ever seeing a poster with my picture on it without you ever seeing a flyer without you ever seeing a post it goes hey it's cat could y'all make sure y'all come out and come see me cuz I'm going be in would you please come on out guys and I really because we have a different respect I know I'm coming they know I'm coming I know they going to be there and they know I'm going to do the best job I can possibly do and they know beyond the sh of a doubt
whatever hour he was doing when we last saw him he won't be doing that hour when we see him this time it's a whole new conversation and because I've never strayed from that they've never strayed from their part I'm looking at some of the the the the actors that you've been on screen with Cube Tracy Morgan Regina Hall Terence Howard are look Nick Cannon I mean Tiffany I mean bro who who brings out the best in Cat Williams how how does someone get the best out of cat William do you need a comedian do you
need a serious actor how do we get the absolute best out of Cat Williams on screen well I would be disingenuous if I didn't remind us that that's never anybody's goal it's never anybody's goal to create a great situation for me to do a good job why in a script the way it works is the script is already there this is a character in the script if they give me the job I make it my job that this character here this character here has to be as big as this whole project so if you don't
even see the movie School Dance I want you to remember whose goddamn white baby is this and the only way that I can guarantee that you will remember my scene if you didn't remember a whole movie is if I make sure that my scenes are that good because that's what I watched I watched great actors you never saw daero you never saw peshy you never saw any of these dudes and something you was like nah I don't really believe it you sure you're the Great Gatsby like no like you believe that this dude Daniel is
a hobbit that's part of The Lord of the Rings right you see what I'm saying and so I it's a having a respect for craft that I'm doing that means I got trying to do the best job possible what was it like working with [ __ ] Lee doing Priceless Spike Lee is everything that you said I was in my intro he's just really a innovator and a groundbreaking One of a Kind Dynamo and um and I knew that they were like they tried to sabotage me even then like as soon as I said I
wanted to get Spike leader directed because that was the biggest thing I could do they immediately gave Spike to gerro carmichel and had him do his special too at the comedy store and just to undermine like but I I if there's one thing you can take away from me as a person whether you like me or you don't if you take this from me you will be a better person if you decide today that you're going to live every day like it's your last for real which means have a conversation with yourself every night that
okay that was it may not be no more after that and really count yourself every day like this could have been it all right before I go to bed this could be it all right how's that looking if you can do that it'll change your life you'll really start making decisions and living your life like this all you got just this one day but you could be a winner you could be a winner on this day it just it's just work ethic and not the work ethic they talk about they tell you work ethic where
they do all these movies I'm the hardest working man no everybody goes to work every day but right yeah don't say I go to work all the time everybody who works goes to work every day shut up shut up you get what you think I respect you more than my Gardener I don't I don't he work every day rain or shine I don't I don't know if you saw this but teraj P Henson got extremely emotional the other day she was giving an interview yes and saying that they're vastly underpaid and say the math is
not mathing they get x amount of dollars by the time Uncle Sam get his cut by the time the agency get their cut and what you see they were supposed to get is a fraction of that where do you come down on that cat it was the saddest thing ever because imagine imagine being in your genre in your sub Niche whatever it is imagine being in your lane imagine being one of the very top of your lane that to the point where if they don't take you for the role there's not three black actresses that
they can say are bigger than you that we going to give this to imagine you being at that point and have to humble yourself and say they're not paying me y'all and they not making my pay go up cuz I'm doing better or nothing it don't matter that D that I'm famous and people know me or nothing they want to pay me exactly what they paying the new girl and I've been suffering under it for a a decade now and just taking it I just been getting whooped but I just got to come say this
is wrong we should be ashamed but this is a country where we don't pay the teachers and then we say the kids is the most important thing you can't have both of them if you do that we're going to end up with a generation that can't read guess what generation Z and a can't read why cuz who was giving them a book we gave him iPad or a phone and now the letters don't mean the there's no cursive writing right sorry about that so yeah it this is what period of time it's in it's the
period where the victims get to say they've been hurting me for a long time and I just ain't said nothing cuz I was trying to be strong and I didn't want to shame anybody when our people call out for help we got to understand you know what I mean like like we we we put too much pressure on Tyler Perry you know what I mean he ain't put nobody on the people that been in his Productions they not famous all them can walk through the mall without security be what you going to be but put
your people on if you a gay person and you in there put some other gay people on put somebody on or don't be wondering why people keep saying Gatekeepers cuz clearly y'all keeping these Gates clearly wilding out how difficult was it for Nick Kennon to get you on and what what was that what was that experience like I've known link Canon since he was a teenager he had to have his he in the comedy club if you're underage you can't be in a regular Club you have to be in the kitchen right so I was
the Master of the kitchen every comedy place because I got a child and my child is back here in this place while I go on stage right so I've known Nick Cannon since he was 14 Nick Cannon has never called and asked me to do one single thing and I turned him down because I've known him since he was a young black child in Hollywood wow so um what I did in wilding out was to be his protector and to be his voice um with hip hop so the whole thing was the thing that he
was trying to do had never been done before you can't bring six comics in and let six Comics talk [ __ ] about six rappers because the six rappers will beat the six Comics ass right you would have to have a comic that could actually stand in between and go look we Comics we going to say what we going to say y'all going to take it and understand it's a joke if you want to fight we fight before the show so you can go out there with your black eye we're not going to do it
comedically this is what needed to take place in order to be for it to be successful which is why it had already aired and didn't work and then suddenly when it comes back with me it suddenly works because respect has to be in there as well if you trying to do it with Kevin Hart you and him GNA get run over you you you a teenager he fire too like what's going to happen who are some your favorite young comedians I don't I haven't seen a young comedian I don't like if you name any of
the young comedians I'm aware of all of them and they're all doing a great job it doesn't matter if it's country Wayne or Desi Banks it doesn't matter if it's Carlos or chico it doesn't matter if it's uh DC or just hilarious it it really doesn't it really doesn't matter once we go to the young part um the young comedians are dealing with things that we never dealt with and so that gives them more benefits but it also gives them uh more chances of failure so it's not easier for them um so yeah I'm I'm
a big supporter of um young comics we we have uh Miss Pretty Ricky and Taro Williams um I've taken 25 uh black women on the road in these tours um it's important to me that the young comic uh gets the benefits and the advantages of the big Comics platform right Matt R wilding out recently got canceled you see Jonathan major what he went through Marvel dropped him as soon as they're guilty uh uh the conviction came out and you were telling the hey you saw that black woman come get his charge cut in half thank
you Megan good God bless you coming to save that slave if he had to be there by himself he was getting all F guilty guil gu she came in there was just so beautiful they had to knock half of it off bless his heart so Matt R you know you know him from a wild and out he gets cancelled for TR trying to tell I never knew him from wild and out to be honest I I I came across him as a new comic okay and U yeah I'm really just trying to see the comics
judge where they are see it yeah right go ahead so the the cancelling uh what what what do you think about this cancel culture you see the situation with Jonathan major I mean for all sense and purposes I I don't know if maybe he can bounce back in in a couple of years but man he was he was hot he was hot as he was cooking I mean you see him in Creed he's in the Marvel movies and just like that maybe I'm a conspiracy theory but I thought Cal Williams said any time they make
you into that position part of that contract is you do understand whenever we want to take you down we can right part of giving you the world first of all they went around the world for two years straight telling any women that would listen that this was a good-look negro mhm since when when did y'all start liking a big nose and when did y'all like a little head and a big jaw when say when that look like my daddy when you start liking my daddy you like black people's features like that if this ugly [
__ ] is goodlooking then all [ __ ] is goodlooking anytime you see them telling you something you can't believe just understand it's a play and it don't matter you going to know it's a play soon as they get in that position and think they going to tell somebody something no you're not no you're not Marvel will cancel you so you won't be allowed to read a comic book what is you talking about get out of here get out of here ugly boy yeah they love fooling the people what's your relationship like with SH not
you still close with SH have you spoken to him have you talked to him recently yeah he's doing good um yeah he's uh man when you a friend you friend for life with with cat William yeah because the people that come to me are trying to better their life they're not trying to continue doing what they have been doing okay so when somebody comes to me male or female it is in the offices that this is what I did this is what I used to do this ain't what I want to do no more and
I want to do something else and I'd like it to go a different way okay that's what I offer yeah so um if you come to me under those opes then my loyalty is lifelong why would it not T lanes and mag what what was your take on that cuz I know you you got to take on everything I know you it's a difficult position because somebody's not going to tell the truth and the truth has got to be told in all circumstances the truth has got to be told so if you don't want to
say she shot her then you shot her and that's the end of that you said you've never have you ever spent time in jail 30 times when when you was in there what was going through your mind C what what did I mean some people like man I had an opportunity to reflect and I like man this ain't the place for me I ain't coming back here when you in so so I've never I've never been in jail and it was my decision to be there if if if it's dangerous to be in the hood
and you have to have a gun on you for protection and it's either be judged by six or I mean car judged by 12 or carried by six I'm always going to have my heater on me so if you want to tell me that you're going to pull me over 15 times looking for it I'm going to tell you 15 times you going to find it unfortunately I smoke cigarettes and weed if you catch me 15 times 15 times I'm G to have it on me what do you think I'm in jail thinking oh I
don't [ __ ] up damn these decisions I'm not going to protect my life at all when I get out of here [ __ ] it let them do what they want to do to me no no when I'm in there I'm fine and I'm understanding that I'm put here for a reason and the people that get joy off me being in here are really going to look stupid cuz I'm going to be free because you got to be setting this up I'm never anywhere to get anything you don't know I just made $300,000 in
your city that's why you think I might be out here as a ner Dell you think I'm he's smoking weed yeah he's got a medical license for it he needs it it's his only medication do you mind if he takes it it helps him eat cuz he does 19100 city tours flying across the line and so he doesn't get hungry on the regular he doesn't get sleepy at night he's got to literally put himself to sleep he's Lally got to make your eat so this marijuana helps him do both of those things Mar want to
help you sleep oh yeah because remember remember as a comedian what you're doing is against your natural timeline your natural timeline wouldn't be that you would start your workday at 8:00 p.m. right and then your work day is over at 2:30 a.m. like that's a weird yes right so to tell your body now that we're pumped up on endorphins now let's go to sleep at 3: it don't work like that your body has to try to get a whole new schedule so you know it suffered but that's what worked for me I consistently used it
I told people all across the country don't worry this will be legal in our country as soon as they find out how to charge taxes for it we will be legal in this country do they view me as some sort of visionary for my forward no no he own drugs what I heard okay but how have you been I mean bro every time they try to put you down they try to put you to the back yeah you you bounce up you move right back to the front damn you I mean you like a Super
Bowl you just keep bouncing and you bounce higher trampoline skin is something that you ask God for when I watched you play football you had it there's some people that there's really no such thing as hitting Shannon sharp so hard he don't want to run the ball the next play right absolutely and if that's your only goal is to hit him so hard that he don't want to beat him no more you just out of luck yeah you wasting your time there's no no your coach can't help you there ain't no pep talk going to
help you don't matter about the uniform you chill it none of that matters if it ever gets to Mono imano May the best man win and if you've been living your entire life trying to be the best man that you can for yourself then you should feel great about those odds what do you think about Kanye rant what's going on with Kanye from a distance obviously I don't know how well you know Kanye I don't know if you've been around Kanye but from a distance what what what what do you suspect is going on I
suspect that we're pretty awful people if we say that somebody got a mental illness and then we watch what they do if you say somebody got special needs then why would you be watching them and holding them accountable like everybody else wouldn't you grade them on a curve wouldn't you go woo this guy because I mean what are we reacting to what are we reacting to you're the one that put him in a position where he thought he was God and could call himself yeus and you the one told the guy that writes Musical lyrics
that he was a genius you're the one that's like so what what do you expect the guy married a [ __ ] like what oh Lord I didn't mean it like that I mean married her because she was one now he didn't know he understood that he wanted that he CED that that's what he wanted to base his she got a good heart though I know what you going to say don't you say it cat don't you say it I'm will move the if what I'm saying is not correct then how do she end up
with Pete Davis I mean it happens all the and what if you weren't even good enough for Pete and he leaves you what do that mean the product was no I don't I don't support or villainize Kanye because I don't understand what it is we want from him I I don't know why we look at a basketball player and say he didn't score no hockey goals this whole season he don't play [Laughter] hockey Kanye don't say nothing I can agree with okay I he was the weird guy in the beginning with the pink sweaters when
we met him like what do you think moving to a beat of your own drop this this dude started a church and kept cussing no nobody in black church said nothing you would have thought all the pastors would have came you can't be no gospel artist you just said [ __ ] that [ __ ] nobody said nothing cuz TD Jake's over there with Bean in it like come on cat only the guy you had here has been upfront and honest and a man of God and humble and took the L's he had to take
and didn't I I did see it was trending though but I ain't know I I don't I I ain't know why C I don't don't let me go to this question right here all people that love the truth got to be happy if the truth coming out and lies is getting exposed that's just what time it is 2024 folks are you related to uh Luda no um so there was a Crossroads where we were both invited to an Illuminati thing and it had to be one or the other of us and decisions had to be
made so it was both of us we were equal one of us had to cut off all their hair and couldn't do the Sideburn thing no more with the points and the next person they said was going to get $200 million because they were going to pay him 10 million a movie to do 20 movies and that's how the conversation happened one of those persons turned out to be ludicrous and the other person turned out to be Cat Williams now one person ended up with a light-skinned ugly faed wife that's never done a remember I
told you that if I say that it appli to seven people it's part of what they give you okay I didn't get it I'm not mad about it how much money they give 200 sir Fast and Furious is on what number right now 10 more 200 million I might need to get me one of more women look the same that's what they all end up saying at the end of the day Kevin told you it wasn't go to wear no dress until they offered him the dress and then he put it on and what did
he say after he wore it I made my own decision duh but you didn't make it before they brought it up did you it's okay it's all right you have a lot of politics never talk about it I'm not that controversial what where are we go where are we headed cat uh this is sad this we've never been here before we've never been at the point where neither option is good for us in real life no this is a different conversation this is would you rather go back with your ex or would you rather go
back with the person before them both bad options both bad options like one guy how do we one guy can barely put his sentences together and the other guy will put sentences together from whatever he's read or whoever told him like but how do we how do we get here how do we get here all division divides there's no way around that all division divides um politics even in the beginning when our constitution was drawn up the the two parties was not what they had in mind no they always thought that it would be two
main and another independent party they always assumed the Independent party would be um just as strong as the others uh a lot of that just didn't happen and um that's what I've learned more from Comedy is that Republicans laugh at the exact same thing that Democrats laugh at as long as I'm talking to Democrats I could make them laugh for one hour straight about what Republicans do by the same token I can go talk to Republicans for one whole hour and have them dying about the stuff that Democrats do but at the end of the
day who does that yeah your team got a offense and a defense they not supposed to be enemies the enemy is the other side wow you can't do politics like that nope it's not good for the country man you see this Mark Zuckerberg building this $270 million bunker if you have a billion dollars we have learned that you can do whatever you want to do when Eli mus wants to send space things in space he don't have to ask nobody's permission Congress don't meet Senate don't meet no Police Department got to be warned he don't
need a permit none of that if you got a billion dollars you do what you want to do and then you tell them what you did and that's how it go what he building a $270 million bunker what he know that we don't know cat Kim Jong Un what I don't know what you don't know do you understand that people that are not very bright are in charge of nuclear bombs all across the country mhm that's what he knows he knows that 30% of all weapons systems are running off regular Wi-Fi so what does that
mean that means if a solar flare or a meteor hits either one of those literally a bomb can go off just because the system accidentally got turned off yeah that's what he knows the the people that are in power know that the people that are running the most complicated and deadliest things on the planet are just an average idiot and you know lots of idiots I do yep and these these people are not special back in the day they were yeah not today not today you say you smoke a little weed you ever smoke with
Snoop yeah I'm actually a bigger smoker than Snoop He he'll tell you that but I don't like I don't mix anything with my weed I just do weed right so no yeah nobody hasim I mean nobody nobody has nobody nobody does 20 blunts a day like me for 30 years like like I was the first person to have a weed roller like somebody whose job it was like I haven't I haven't rolled a blunt in 20 years if you go I'm saying I I prefer the saliva of ladies oh my goodness no no understand what
I'm saying if for a blunt it's necessary for it to get lit right and so if you had spent 20 years smoking with dudes that's a lot of male saliva that you would have just accidentally ingested I I can't but if I can't be this specimen on that it takes uh the saliva of nice lady on that but yeah I'm a yeah that's all I do that's just do you consider yourself a king of comedy where where no they they consider that like like when after Bernie left them same three guys I'm telling you about
the Kings yeah right cuz DL is the greatest no DL slander gets tolerated um but they came to me I was supposed to be the fourth King I got the offer then what happened but I turned it down why because you [ __ ] on Bernie and I know the truth you think I'm let you [ __ ] on Bernie and then come get me I'm the next king [ __ ] you why because the whole time Bernie was here you was acting like you was funnier than him the reason you were supposed to go
last is because it was your tour tell the truth it was Steve's tour now it was going to be called the Kings of County it was Steve's tour these are the guys opening for him of course you got to close if it's your door that's why it was such such a big deal but you couldn't do it cuz you can't beat the best and until you humble yourself you will forever be kinged by the king and because you finally did it cuz you didn't had no other choice and now that he gone you going to
act like he wanted to be a movie star you stop it you stop it that man was funnier than all of y'all and y'all thought y'all had one over on him you thought he were black and ugly and you were goodlooking and he couldn't make it cuz you did and that ain't the way comedy work the king is the funniest period every time and that's why no audience member was ever swayed it didn't matter where Bernie went you think if Bernie went first he wasn't the king get out of here get out of here get
your ego out of this you let the best be the best right cat William ladies and gentlemen thanks for coming on I really appreciate that thanks for sharing thank you the stories setting the record straight now you know they going to double back impossible impossible only because if once you play this back you'll realize I didn't say anything that made me look in a good light I I wasn't tearing down others to boost myself up I but I do have to acknowledge things that did not take place like we're very ingenuous if we say this
is not a game and we don't play it and people ain't in positions and people don't have their favorites and they group and they click right well that happens in all businesses we no no say what side you want say why you don't like the other side and then get to the game but in the game I'm wiping the field with them to the point where they don't even compete anymore so how you going to let a dude that been on the bench for 15 years I would have be Jordan's ass Shut up Jordan is
still alive we'll call Jordan right now you can't beat him [Laughter] now not then you can't beat him now right Cat Williams Shannon sharp appreciate you bro appreciate you my gr my hustle pay the price want a slice got the roll of dice that's why all my life I been grinding on my life all my life gring all my life sacrifice the price want a slice got the roll di why all my life been gring all my life [Music]
