A Priest from Ballylongford talks about the 3rd Secret of Fatima. (abridged interview with Art Bell)

father um not long ago somebody sent me and i i'm kicking myself six wives from sunday yeah uh somebody sent me what they said was the third secret of fatima yes i actually read it on the air and then i somehow lost it if anybody out there has it please resend it to me now it's my understanding that you have taken a vow of silence or secrecy uh you have read the third secret it was shared with you is that correct it was given to me to read yes one morning early in february 1960 and

of course before i got it i had to take up this simple oath you always take of maintaining the secret so the details of it i cannot communicate the actual verbiage and expressions yes if um if this third secret of fatima were made public yes could it be the shock that the public that the church needs it could be and that is one reason why it's not published and why it's sunk into a limbo out of which is not going to come easily it would be a shock there's no doubt about that it would affect

people in different ways though art some people would on being told that this was authentically the third secret of fatima they would get extremely angry oh i understand believe me very angry oh believe me i understand father stand by and we'll get back to you after the bottom of the hour break if when we come back i will ask father martin as much as we're able to about the third secret it certainly would be a shock i'm art bell this is coast to coast af all right here we go uh and i really want to

thank the person that transcribed this for me the following is a transcription of what is possibly the third secret of fatima as read by art bill over there on coast to coast am on 5 14 98 at 34 minutes and 48 seconds into the program and i began it with this preamble all right i in no way warrant the following as being authentic i have no way of knowing all i can tell you is it feels real it is alleged to be the third secret of fatima you decide for yourself here we go a great

plague will befall mankind nowhere in the world will there be order satan will rule the highest places determining the way of things he will succeed in seducing the spirits of the great scientists who invent arms with which it will be possible to destroy a large part of humanity in a few minutes satan will have his power the powerful who command the people and who will incite them to produce enormous quantities of arms god will punish man more thoroughly than with the flood there will come the time of all times and the end of all ends

the great and powerful will perish together with the small and weak even for the church it will be the time of its greatest trial cardinals will oppose cardinals bishops will oppose bishops satan will walk among them and in rome there will be changes the church will be darkened and the world will be shaking with terror one great war will erupt in the second half of the 20th century fire and smoke will fall from the sky the waters of the oceans will change into steam and the steam will rise and overflow everything the waters of the

ocean will become missed millions and millions of people will die from hour to hour whoever remains alive will envy the dead everywhere one turns one's glance there will be there is going to be anguish and misery ruins in every country the time draws nearer the abyss widens without hope the good to perish with the bad the great with the small the princes of the church with the faithful the rulers with their people there will be death everywhere because of the errors committed by non-believers and crazy followers of satan which will then and only then take

control over the world at the last those who survive will at every chance newly proclaimed god and his glory and they will serve him as when the world was not so perverted that's it father martin yes any comments on that i've listened to that um and i suppose the measured response i should give to it is this um in two parts really two thin statements it is not the text which was given to me to read okay in 1960 there are elements in it which belong in the text so uh in other words i'm trying

to step as carefully as i can in other words uh you're suggesting this is not precisely what you have but there are elements of what you just heard yes there are elements which do belong in the third secret um that's about the most measured response i could give to it i am okay that's fine and i i will not ask you to say more but bearing in mind what i just read yes would you consider the third secret to be as traumatic as is suggested in what i read or more so also more so more

so yeah much more much more so the the again you know are stepping very carefully yes sir uh the the central element in the third secret uh is awful and it's not in that it's not about it it's not in this house thank god um now i guess i would ask this i understand that you have taken an oath that's right but have you considered that the shock that is required to turn things around may be this very serious and that it may be that um it should be revealed to your last sentence my full

ascent it should be revealed but here's my difficulty art i'm one small little man i have no public authority to do that i do not know if that would be the will of god and since it would have such dire effects on much more than christians or many others um i i can't make that decision do you understand what i'm trying to say yes i i can't make that decision i have no i have no assurance that god's will and since this is a question of his supreme will as regards the world the human race

its existence and its continuance and its future i i have no authority father in what manner were you shown the third secret because the cardinal who showed it to me had been present at a meeting held by pope john xxiii in that year 1960 to outline to a certain number of cardinals and problems what he thought should be done with secret john 23 pope john the 23rd then pope in 1960 did not think that he should publish the secret it would ruin his at that time ongoing negotiations with nikita khrushchev the boss of all the

russians and he also had a different outlook on life which in two years later opening the vatican council he echoed very succinctly and almost contemptuously in the middle of his speech on october 11 1962 in saint peter's to the assembled bishops who had come for the bastion council and the visitors the place was crowded a huge basilica he derided contemptuously the people he called prophets of doom and there was no doubt in any of our minds he was talking about the three prophets of fatima he was against that there are those within the church who

minimize what is uh contained in the third secret absolutely and then there are others who don't minimize it at all they exaggerate they exaggerate yes so without minimizing or without exaggerating you're telling me that's what's in the third secret is more horrible than what i just read which oh yes art it is because what you have just read essentially it is the onslaught of natural powers sure satan is walking etc like that amongst men but essentially it is as if nature revolted against the human race that's essentially what through all these terrible catastrophes and chastisements

and that's not the essence of the third secret and not the frightening one yeah um it does bigger the imagination well again in a sense uh it would be such a shock that i understand that you have grave reservations about it but if it would if it would in effect um right the church yeah yeah i i if it would but you know art i have no guarantee i have no authority that would say yes this the net result will be plus rather than minus i have no authority i have no revelation no angel has

tapped me on the shoulder i've had no private divine dream like saint joseph or joseph in the old testament had i have no authority and i cannot arrogate to myself that authority because i may be putting my foot in my mouth in a mild fashion i may be going ahead of the lord and we're supposed to walk in the words of one's roman saint five yards behind the holy ghost the holy spirit i i i and beside that art there's the question of shock scandal of of frightening people and polarizing my human society to which

i belong and which i'm happy to belong because god made me to belong to it as a member of the human race and i cannot do that not not just like that i just can't i wish i could because in human calculation yes this will shock this will jerk people out this will fill the confessionals on a saturday evening this will fill up the cathedrals and the basilicas and the churches with worshipers kneeling down striking their breath maybe maybe because at the back of it all are as this regnant reigning as it were catholic truth

that nothing like that can happen unless god gives the grace and i have no authority to presume that he will give me the grace give the grace on the occasion of my doing anything like that with what uh how much weight father do you give to the uh entire fatima revelations consider it to be the key event in the declining fortune of the roman catholic organization and the defining event for the near future of the church in the second mill in the in the next millennium in the third millennium it's the defining event and that

is why a strong man a strong man i mean you see us when we speak about strong men the the amazing thing about the statecraft people people who practice the craft of state like casserole who's just died or pope john paul ii uh is what people always remark say about great figures in history like napoleon like hitler like stalin they had a will of indestructible power and they could oppose the united will of millions and make their point of view stick to a certain degree anywhere until they came until they fell so they became a

cropper as we say in england and similarly in rome there are men with strong wills they're in spacecraft all their lives they are engaged in macro government not merely of religion but in states they're up there amongst the greats and they will not touch this with a large poll all right father martin again referring to what i read which you said had partial um echo relevance yes uh would you imagine that the person who wrote this uh had been privy in some way to the original text yes yes all right father uh hold on all

right i'm bouncing back for a second to the third secret here's a facts from bob in a clear wisconsin it's kind of rough it says art why would god give this prophecy referring of course to the third secret to a select few and instruct them not to give it to his people it sounds to me that it is man who has decided to keep it a secret from the people and not god can there be any greater sin than this well whoever this man is he's on target the secret was meant to was meant for

the people not for the pope not for the bishops not for the holy office it was meant to be published in 1960 by explicit order by the mandate of heaven john the 23rd god bless them and arrest him because he's with god now in whatever form that is he decided not to he had his own reasons we think with all due respect and generation etc etc etc that he made a very bad mistake and indeed what probably your correspondent from wisconsin doesn't realize or perhaps he does let me remind him that in 1963 there was

a second appearance this time in spain in garabandal and the opening words of that revelation were because my sons have not listened to my orders my mandate here's what's going to happen and the message was very dire repetition of the first secret in brief form so uh it wasn't the will of god the will of god has been frustrated but see uh let me remind you and and and that the particular man that the will of god is frustrated continuously and that doesn't mean it wasn't his will and his will will not work out finally

so it's the pity and eventually eventually the secret will be revealed and will work its way out but this time painfully painfully all right all right uh what i'm going to do is read just the preamble to this and see if the good father finds uh identification with this uh it says do not worry dear child it is i the mother of god speaking to you and asking you to proclaim in my name the following message to the whole world in doing so you will meet strong opposition be firm in your faith however and you

will triumph over all opposition listen and remember well what am i what i am about to tell you men must become converted they must implore pardon for the sins that they have committed and for those they will commit again in the future you have requested a sign by which all men would understand my utterances given to humanity through you this miracle you have seen at this very moment it was the great miracle of the sun all have seen it believers and unbelievers peasants townsmen scholars and journalists laymen and priests and now proclaim in my name

and what follows is the secret does that father sound familiar there is no preamble well i'm not sure preamble was the right yeah there is no introductory um statement in the actual secret the text actual text of the secret itself so you don't recognize what i just read not as a part of that one sheet of paper no but it may well be that what follows well then let me give you just a little bit of what follows a great punishment will come over the entire human race not yet today nor tomorrow but in the

second half of the 20th century what i have already made known at la salette i repeat to you humanity has not changed as god requested it too it has sinned and trampled underfoot the gift it had received there is no order anywhere satan rules even in the highest positions and determines the direction of things he will succeed in warming his way even unto the highest summits of the church he will succeed in seducing the minds of great scholars who will invent armaments with which half of humanity can be destroyed in seconds he will have the

mighty among the peoples under his sway and will induce them to turn out mass production of arms if humanity does not amend itself i will be forced to let go the arm of my son if the mighty of the earth and of the church do not oppose this i myself will do it and i will ask god my father to allow to come over men the punishment of his justice it will then be that god will punish men more harshly than he did with the flood and the mighty and the powerful shall perish along with

the humble and weak and it goes on from there yeah the uh no it's not the text uh it it it's not specific enough the text is very dry and specific and um but all that is there is very accurate as regards the general fatima interpretation of modern history but it's not the text of the third secret that i know all right here we go um just a couple of things i want to quickly read one from a friend in australia father who says i had a jesuit priest tell me more of the third secret

of fatima years ago in perth uh he said among other things the last pope would be under control of satan pope john fainted thinking it might be him we were interrupted before i could hear the rest um any comment on that yes uh it sounds as if they were reading or being told the text of the third secret oh my it sounds like it but it's sufficiently vague to make one hesitant yes sounds like it all right and then just this one as well this is from uh dan in davenport iowa it says i was

told by an old catholic priest while i was stationed in asia in the late 70s that in the last days nature will attack everything we have and know and that all food will be gone starving will be so widespread that families will eat other members of their families my god just to stay alive this madness will be so widespread there will be no place that will be safe and no place to hide until all the peoples uh who do not believe in god are dead then life can start anew no that's not that's not part

of it it's not part of it but that first one yes is and there's a certain element in the second one which is near the truth okay um and i'm sorry to be pushing on this no no okay west of the rockies you're on the air with father malachi martin good morning hi good morning this is joseph from hawaii yes sir good morning joseph good morning father good morning i have a question father i'm a little confused um when you say uh you have no authority to um reveal the secret yeah um wasn't the secret

uh revealed uh to the nun and then to a pope and then wasn't it was supposed to be revealed to the public at first and now it's suppressed by the church yes it was supposed to be revealed to the public and in general isn't that the authority from the higher end no no that doesn't give me authority okay i'm just a little confused it seems like um i'm not clear on the story but what he's saying i think father is that if god's original wish was for it to be revealed then yes and it was

not yes then is not the authority present now as it was then well exactly for it to be revealed is that yeah i see these argument it's very forceable arguments and many people would agree with him and with all due respect father if if you don't reveal the secret and uh if the secret is held wouldn't the members of the catholic church be perpetuating the suppression of the secret of the truth yes of course yes of course they are so therefore it should be told but i in the catholic church we work through the hierarchy

the beginning with the pope and the bishops and i cannot i take to myself the authority to overrule them um i think they should be overruled but i haven't got the authority to do that i wish i had joseph i wish i had i haven't i haven't got even the authority to authorize exorcisms unless uh uh from a bishop in this case the bishop of rome um all right i understand that answers authority is a very very fixed thing because i have no other guide on this face of this earth except the voice of the

roman teaching the magisterium romanum as we call it um wild card line you're on the air with father malachi martin good morning uh good morning gentlemen this is barbara and elsa oklahoma yes sir yes ma'am um i had a question for father malachi a quick one about fatima and then i'd like to relate something that happened here in the house that was kind of frightening and i wanted his opinion sure um on fatima father malachi can you tell us if our country the united states is mentioned specifically in the secret no it's not mentioned specifically

but something very relevant says is mentioned i see hello hello yes thank you um i'm calling from red bluff california okay and i heard the father um refer a previous caller to literature by the blue army yeah i was wondering if he is aware that the blue army was on a lecture circuit in the mid 70s revealing the third secret of fatima and if he is aware of that if that is accurate yes father grooner and his company his organization never reveal the actual texts the actual text i attended a lecture in the mid 70s

and i remember i don't remember at all unfortunately i thought most of it was so frightening i just actually couldn't comprehend it the only two things i remember that he said it referred to a lot of civil unrest and that children would be disobedient to their parents and they would be tattooing their bodies and piercing their bodies and let's see um children would be killing children yes and those are the only two things that i seem to to recall no it's not the it's not the actual content of the letter we have children killing children

unfortunately yes but no that's not that's not the that's not the sensational part of the of the third secret as far as i remember man all right um east of the rockies uh good morning you're on the air with father malachi martin where are you please yes i'm from kansas city yes yes uh father martin it's a great pleasure to to hear you you know thank you very much for saying that and uh my question and maybe i have a comment afterwards is that can you see the pope at some time or another at some

at one point giving up the secret of uh no no no okay uh my comment is art is that uh if what i've been hearing on the rest of your programs yes with with the major and then scanlan and and the rest of it yes if that's leading up to what uh the uh third to the third secret yes and the third secret what you read according to uh father martin yes it's sort of a mild version of the yes what it says yes i don't really don't think i want to hear what the what

the third secret is well is that very understandable sir we understand it has not added to the sum of my happiness to have read it um would you say that in a lot of ways father that um the world is better off not knowing i mean that that almost has to be what the popes have decided that the world is better off not knowing yes then that's what the popes have decided uh against that stands the order which apparently the queen of heaven as catholic porter gave to the pope through the children publish it ah

yes that's the difficulty that's the only difficulty i have and it's a it's a big one um west of the rockies you're on the air with father malachi martin hi hi hi where are you um i'm in san diego san diego okay and um my question father martin is um our lady of medragoria and one of her sayings to the children was that if we return to god yes and um change our lives to reflect that return to god and pray enough perhaps god would not send the comment and i'm wondering if the comment has

anything to do with the third secret no ma'am the comment is not mentioned and the the difficulties as they call them the chapters meant the punishment mentioned in the third secret uh are not those caused by a comet impacting on the earth do you know of anything else the only time i've ever heard anything about a comment was in that one statement she said to the children several years ago yeah the i i have a difficulty about medjugorje i'm since if it has not been sanctioned by the church by church authority i i i can't

rely upon us i can't remember it hasn't been denied by the church either and no it hasn't i've heard you quite well i've had major spiritual joyful deeply gratitudinal i know and millions have also yeah millions have also the unfortunate thing is that uh the church has not approved of it yet and i'm afraid to trust myself you know oh i understand but that's my experience is very deeply involved though okay i absolutely believe all right thank you thank you very much and take care yeah um another thing that bothers me and it bothered me

all along about this uh third secret um is the child still alive the one who became a nun yes she is she's 89 she lives in coimbra my god wow my god has she ever said how she feels about the church not publishing the course she keeps very quiet for the simple reason that she's been muscled by the vatican well the thing that bothers me about this is if the church is going against what god has told them he wants them to do yeah in other words your people are out here and they see this

how do they expect us to keep following them in absolutely faith bonnie what i want to say to you is it's not the church it's the church men they are being unfaithful to their vocation yeah but it seems like it's been so many ah you're telling us whoever gus was i know that that's her difficulty that's what uh in the previous spin the last three or four hours art and i were discussing and i summarized it all by saying we are in apostasy to a large degree and and the last thing i wanted to ask

you is there anything that we can do as individuals other than praying to avert what is coming in that third secret we can't avert it now it it it is coming when is something else but it is coming for sure we can mitigate it we can mitigate it slightly if you know what i mean we can't avert it is the only thing we can do with pray pray go to communion say a rosary cultivate the saints stay in the state of grace do good visit sick visit those in prison two corporal works of mercy in

other words bonnie we know what to do exactly if we want to do it right yeah yeah but it's not going to be an easy time no no it doesn't seem like we're in very easy times now anyway bonnie thank you thank you art bye-bye take care um father is there any circumstance under which you can imagine that you would feel free to reveal the secret yes yes if there was a total collapse at the center and you anticipate that don't you i anticipate it as a possibility art i can't you know i i can't

predict but i anticipated as a possibility certainly yes i do a lot of martin as always it has been tremendous