Jonathan Sacerdoti | This House Believes Israel is an Apartheid State Responsible for Genocide | 2/8

tonight we are here to confront lies that masquerade as truth and accusations which are intended actually to inflame rather than to inform this is a debate which twists the language of Justice into a weapon of hate these claims don't only defame Israel but they actually insult the memory of true victims of the henus crimes of genocide and apartheid and this motion has a reckless disregard for history law and Truth these allegations aren't critiques of policies they're assaults and above all else they're an appeal to Prejudice rather than reason they assume that you will believe them

because you have been primed by previous slurs against the state of Israel but I am here tonight to appeal to your sense of reason I hope that you are better than that that you are smarter than that and that you are more open to hearing different views than that that we will dismantle those falsehoods and expose the hypocrisy and Malice of those who wield them but first I must begin by addressing the very organization and nature of this debate the title itself is an outrage and the speakers are possibly the most aggressive people who the

president could have invited debate is meant to be a form of discussion that will help people understand one another's point of view you're right debate is designed to Enlighten but this one isn't it's designed to antagonize For Your Entertainment but I'm not here to entertain you this isn't my first encounter with this sort of vitriol in this chamber when I was a student here some 23 years ago the president then invited the infamous Holocaust denier David Irving to come and speak the invitation was eventually rescinded after an uproar but not before I experienced overt and

explicit anti-Semitism in the form of jeers and laughter like that In This Very Room more or less where that gentleman over there is sitting today's president invited a man who justifies the atrocities of October the 7th unfortunately he was too scared to be here tonight and that psychopath will be here tomorrow instead unchallenged by debate we are left instead with someone who called for normalizing massacres as the status quo someone who called Vladimir zalinski a Nazi promoting Zionist and called to wipe off the state of Israel from the map and somebody who called Jews sleazy

thieves clearly people interested in conflict resolution and peaceful coexistance no thank you no thank you no thank you information cannot be made unless the speaker accept it shame so here I am again In This Very Room once more confronted by plenty of hatred directed at Jews these accusations are grotesque they're not honest criticisms and they are indeed aimed at the Jewish State claims of apartheid and genocide twist history's darkest crimes and use them as Weapons against Israel the accusers themselves are actually guilty of the crimes they allege Israel is committing I have three exceptional colleagues

with me tonight who will help me in making this case two Arabs with personal experience and biography which will debunk these false allegations of apartheid and genocide and a legal expert who speaks with international law Authority as for me I am a proud Jew my late father was a holocaust Survivor he was hidden by Catholic clergy in Italy from a regime that sought to deport him for extermination simply because of his race and religion that is genocide that is a partide and it Bears no resemblance to the lies being pedal against Israel tonight so let's

begin with some definitions which Mr alard declined to give we need to look at the 1948 genocide convention and the 1973 apartheid convention these will give us legal definitions but remember they're not interested in law they're interested in big slurs to do big damage genocide requires acts intended to destroy in whole or in part a racial ethnic National or religious group apartheid inails inhuman acts committed with the intent of establishing and maintaining Domination by one racial group over another legally both these crimes hinge on intent specific documented unmistakable intent this is not a matter of

opinion it's a matter of law there is no policy of racial discrimination no intent to destroy you will find no documentation of Israel meetings at government level planning any such thing the Nazis at their Vance conference planned what they called the final solution to the Jewish question but you will find no Israeli equivalent you know what you will find look in the New York Times you'll find the minutes of 10 meetings speaker is invited to science you will find in the New York Times the minutes of 10 meetings from Kamas and their Iranian backers and

Hezbollah planning what they called the big plan that is the genocidal attack that took place on the 7th of October 2023 in Rwanda in 1994 radio broadcasts directed civilians to murder their neighbors with machetes 800,000 people were killed in 100 days during the Holocaust my family were subject to racial laws which discriminated against them deported people for extermination in Gaza Israel has no such aim no such plan no such action instead Israel does go to extraordinary lengths to try to avoid civilian debts inform order the speaker would be heard in silence it cancels air strikes

when there is a risk of excessive civilian deaths there are plenty of documented instances IT issues warnings before air strikes Hamas on the other hand does hide its weapons its control centers in schools in mosques in universities in hospitals the speaker will be heard Sil Israel has provided 700,000 tons of food to Gaza during this war that is a daily average that is a daily average of 3,200 calories per person the NHS in this country order order the speak the speaker is exited to be heard in silence e e e order see who you supporting

order order the speaker will be heard the house will come to order the member will the member will be taken care of in the welfare room I will remind the member that there be no recording could I have order please the speaker will continue Jonathan please finish your speech I might just say that I understand there are plenty of people in this room who don't agree with us who don't like us but this esteemed establishment is meant to be a Bastion of free speech discussion debate and this example is not any of those things and

I urge all of you I'm here to tell you my side of an argument I also attended this University I was a student here and I understand that part of the experience of being a student is to be challenged by thoughts and facts and information that you may not agree with or you may not like but to shout like that to abuse a speaker who is being respectful and giv giving you their side of an argument is not the way to achieve better knowledge or understanding of anything I will give all of the proposition speakers

their Jews Israel has provided 700,000 tons of food to the people of Gaza which is 3,200 calories per Garen citizen per day on average and that is whether you like it or not above the NHS recommended amounts for men in this country garans are receiving more food per day than the world average during the war Madam if you have a point of information stand up and make it stand up and make it on a point of you may not speak unless the speaker recognizes you please let the speaker F I'm letting her speak what would

you like to say Madam I'm not the thing is just because you say so doesn't mean it's true the reason there are people who are going without food in Gaza is because Hamas stole the food no thank you the UN said that 90 trucks were hijacked last week and even the BBC reported it no thank you Israel has vaccinated 97% of the gazen population against polio during this war you did not catch the Nazis doing that no just because you dislike losing an unnecessary War you started does not make something genocide the apartheid claim no

thank you the apartheid claim similarly collapses under scrutiny Arab citizens in Israel vote hold office and serve as judges Arab judge Salim Duan sent a Jewish former prime minister to jail that is not an aparti the Declaration of Independence of the state of Israel enshrines equality one has to decide in relation to disputed territories whether you apply the law of Israel or different laws to that area and under the laws of occupation different laws are frequently applied to a different area so should you consider it occupied territory it is bound not to have the same

laws and indeed with areas a b and c in Judea and Samaria or the West Bank whichever you prefer to call it there are differences in how people are governed because there was an agreement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority to try to seed some level of autonomy to the Palestinian we have seen in Gaza which is the closest we get to a self-governing Palestinian state with no Israelis in it with no Jews in it with no Jewish corpses in it they exume them when they evacuated just what the Palestinians used that autonomous area for

it was to attack the Jewish State quiet quiet order order please do not make information unless gives you away there is only one Middle Eastern country where Jews and Arabs in great number coexist it's called Israel indeed it was the attempted moderation and normalization of other Arab states that caused the Palestinians to invade Israel to try to scoper the prospect of a Middle East which could have Jews living peacefully inside it which other Arab States were pleased to try to embrace the society that was built in Gaza reflects the tragic choices that the people and

Leadership there made like all genocidal regimes throughout time they educated their children for hatred fostering a culture where Ordinary People could be complicit in in atrocities against their near Neighbors which is what we saw on October the 7th like the Rwandan teacher who bludgeoned children to death by grabbing them from the feet and slamming them against the wall I watched a Garen civilian in sandals on his own video footage from his phone trying to decapitate a Thai worker in an Israeli kibutz using a hoe this is attempted genocide point of information is your argument that

Israel while murdering and taking control of Ken basian civilians is not committing genocide AP because it simply didn't mean to it is a perfectly valid question Israel is not murdering by the way um under the laws of genocide the under under the legal definitions in the genocide convention it isn't possible to accidentally commit a genocide genocide as I said according genocide requires intent what you will find if you study genocides is that in all agreed documented historical genocides the society has visions of a utopic future where the other who is attacked is somehow seen as

dirty and inferior and there is a coordinated plan to try to eliminate them and and get rid of them collateral damage in a war however ugly is not the same thing no I will try to make time because there been I I have taken points and there have been a lot of interruptions and I would like to finish I appreciate your patience I simply want to say that all of this genocidal act that took place on October the 7th is the result of a choice for hatred and a choice for apartheid among Palestinians you will

not find Palestinian controlled territory where Jews are allowed to live that is a partide and this no this hatred is deeply rooted in a culture which instills from childhood hatred well Israeli children are taught in schools of a fantasy time when they won't need to serve in the army or a time I'm I'm going to finish my entire speech when when when there will be a time when they do not need to enter the Army when they will live no in coexistence with with their Arab neighbors it is not the case in Palestinian controlled lands

I have held in my own hands the unra UN textbooks which teach Palestinians maths with if I have five Jews and I kill three how many are left sit down sit down be quiet order order be quiet it is my job to get the house to order not the speaker's job to get the house to order a point of information should not be made unless the speaker accepts I interviewed a woman who had survived the massacre in kutal o she told me how her husband had run the agricultural work there and employed dozens of gazan

Palestinians who entered Israel every day and earned five times what they could in Gaza helping them to support their families she said to me no nobody needs to teach us about coexistence because we've been living it for years after the genocidal attack of October the 7th she said we can never do that again the acts that were carried out by Palestinians on that day set back the cause of coexistence the hatred that drove those attacks was not motivated by territory or politics it was religiously based the attackers themselves told me that they proudly streamed videos

while they were attacking watch the videos I did I'll quote allahar even if a thousand of us die for Islam even if 2,000 die for Islam the time of the Jihad nation has arrived they weren't calling for peace or coexistence they weren't calling for two states they were calling for Jihad a holy war aimed at the Jews no that is apartheid that is genocide and that was not Israeli so to close I hoping that in this audience there are some people with open minds and I'd like you to think critically it's easy to live in

the feedback loop of what you already think you know and believe it's easy to repeat what you've been told again and again and allow it to reinforce prejudices but truth often lies outside those Loops in the uncomfortable and necessary area of challenging things you think you know so tonight I ask you to dig deeper and I don't want to reduce this debate to slurs and Slanders true discussion and collaboration are only possible among people of Good Will those who genuinely seek peace and coexistence and that's why I think we have to reject the people who

weaponize these words of Justice in order to inflame and divide Israel's story is not one of apartheid and genocide it is one of survival against Relentless hostility to see this clearly is to stand for truth and Justice and the possibility of peace