Tyler, The Creator: 'IGOR,' Odd Future and Scoring a Number 1 Album | Apple Music

[Music] so thanks for doing the Apple music yeah I have a music livestream the concept that musics so good that was sick you didn't come No so you watch this live sheering I heard it was hot as oh it was what you see meaning I'm wet I'm minute I come out and I'm wet instantly just dripping I didn't I didn't even fix my hair after a while I was just like cuz he's just gonna get messed up again where did the idea for the wood come from I don't want you to like dismantle it to

the point where it's not mysterious and fun anymore but what what is Igor like what why we'd why we're looking at you the way we are I just thought it was cool like everything else it's like oh that'll be cool where'd you hide that we're going for the first time so I kind of didn't try it all until I wouldn't got it made like I just had this idea all right I want a wig shaped like this and then I went to the wig people and they had I picked out the specific blonde I wanted

we got a maid put it on and it was that I got a flattop made like this weird flattop wig made but it wasn't sick and like a longer version of the one I have but the one I've always wanted was this and I've been drawing that character for like three years now and it's actually it's actually in a stop-motion that I did for this vice show it's a little stop motion video thing I did it has black hair but it's the short bob cut and the turtleneck and the glasses and the gold teeth and

it's in that and then I just was like I'm a switch it's a blonde just based on the undertones of my skin was it a subconscious drawing or were you drawing inspiration from something else I don't know I just thought it will be a cool character just a tall slim suit blonde hair and like black dudes don't really have hair like that I think the closest thing was Ike Turner mmm with that mic night but it wasn't it wasn't blonde so I was like oh I'll run a blonde it's a weird question but when people

often like come into some form of character driven experience in their career they say they feel different do you feel different when you put the suit and we're done unfortunately no hmm I feel like the same yeah do you think people look at you differently from what you've seen the crowd even in that one show and people like Wow uh when I'm up there I'll just be in my zone just doing the thing but people people say hi differently this week I'll tell you that yeah I bet they do people hi differently tight though you've

achieved man something that no one's ever achieved before it's official you're the first solo rap artist to ever have a billboard number-one on the albums chart fully soft produced fully self arranged yeah that's mad it's really cool I saw it's funny someone said I saw it comment no one cares that you produced and arranged it Tyler but me letting people know that will allow different doors to open That's not me just doing voiceovers or a verse like me me being adamant about having that on the cover when I what I'm designing it is letting people

know hey let me make the score for your movie or let me do this and that and in 20 years like that detail will pay off I'll put that on the flower boy the other cover - mm-hmm and I'm gonna just try to keep I wish I did that since day one you know even would know it's kind of they kind of missed the point that comment though like a lot of comments that come in it's sort of an eejit reaction and you know that's finite they have their place but you know it's not like

you're sitting there painstakingly putting this together from inside to get it out to people for people to care about that detail it's entirely for you yeah yeah yeah yeah a hundred percent a lot of people miss that a lot of people also don't realize what I think people like people who review - I think we need to put their biases I had a friend a buyer before these read the review of yeah like John Thompson doesn't really like rap music doesn't like rap music and the girl that he fell in love with is a big

fan left him for girl who loves young jeezy and he beat the out of them now here's his review on southern Rattlers that's kind of an insight or this guy wanted to be black and only for black girls his whole life this is why he's given an 80 rap album best new music because he wants to get the thumbs-up from this it's kind of inspired people to have to come clean because I even get it with clothes like kids like oh that's sweaters trash do you ever wear sweater vests no you only wear t-shirts hoodies

then weak-ass black chinos right yeah I've never want to sort of my life so what's your word I just need what what's your point of reference on if this sweater is good or not whatever they may I always find it weird a friend asked me the other day what do you think of someone so loud I'm like I don't feel comfortable even telling you cuz I don't even listen to that type of music it's not for me but I can't even tell you if it's good or bad cuz I just don't listen to that type

of do you protect yourself from those opinions though to some degree because you were just talking I can't have yeah I can't you don't matter but you got bad comment got to you so you must open it up every now and then even though I reach and I'm just like oh you're a dummy oh you only see surface-level you think I just put that just it no no no see I'm thinking 15 years from now I'm playing the long game what opportunity and I need people to know that oh this is I this is the

fool idea this isn't just me rapping over some random like this was the fool idea everything is very particular I was gonna jump ahead to that but actually I might save that to the end of the conversation if that's cool and just kind of focus on the Eagle right now because I'm you know out of the slide performance you know we really got an insight that the character was a full commitment and we knew from the pictures you put up and the ideas that you put up and like the little teasers and stuff on social

media that you were all in but to perform in that regard as well is like and to bring that character to life it's like this is a full 100% commitment right now ego is a real thing oh yeah it's a society you lie knows like my best friend and we were we like Loki met in drama class he was a drama clone we were doing play 17 doing plays I got kicked out a drama club in eighth grade doing what cuz she said I was too hyper so she kicked me out first day and I

was like you like whatever but what that said I like to dress it's fun yeah goblin is a ski mask will froze the camp then cherry bomb I had the the pink face thing and like I always loved that all my videos I mean I'm bald one scene like I don't know that's really fun I feel like flower boy was the first time that you'd kind of like actually just presented yourself oh yeah yeah I I definitely I was like a super strong yeah I was it like here this is me here Green had on

the cover just white shirt and nothing even not even a cool shirt he was a plain white shirt yeah and there's a ton of questions asked on that album I mean you know how I feel cause we spoke briefly about well not briefly we had a good conversation about that out I still listen to that album and I feel like you were asking so many questions on flower boy and searching for the answers through that record and yeah I feel like ego we were talking before we're old I was like this is such a sad

album it's like you didn't like the answers you got you know what I mean it's like a man also Igor was definitely like all feeling woke up in the morning this hot felt made that song did that for like two weeks and then I was like oh I have something it was like six homes six seven oh my gosh this is and that's kind of why it goes in its weird chronological order because that was how I felt that morning it was like over a span of like two weeks almost and then when I every

time like how am I put in the playlist on my phone just to see how it flows and stuff and I was like oh this this flows and I was subconscious like I didn't even notice I was drawing this circle it was just all filling what was the first song at you that you made can you maybe where it started uh first song was Loki earthquake and that's like 2017 in May but that may not have even ended up on your record right that was initially um because I mean when we spoke about two years

ago you were saying van that you were kind of mucking around trying to find reasons to write for people and see yeah yeah yeah I wanted to just write pop songs for people so I kind of did that but sometimes you got to just write songs on how you feel or whatever so I just wrote that and it's like a it came out really cool earthquakes like a love song it's like to me it's like an out-and-out straight-up love song it was first statement on the record that says like ah this album is gonna be

it's kind of there's a lot open-heartedness to this record yeah very 80s pop you know what I was yeah go idealistic love and idealistic heartbreak yeah that's when the eighties were they were like not you don't hold anything back I feel like after the seventies which was all sort of bravado and all kind of like there was some thickness in there that the 80s was in a bit though it depends on what sector of music you talk about I mean it's a lot of it's a lot of souls for Miss seven yeah yeah sure no

that was just poor heart out but not to go off-topic the 80s is becoming my favorite time not just music but overall and I had used to hate it but now it's slowly becoming my favorite cuz of the sector of music that I've liked I found over the years like what are you listening to is that again that's a broad ticket a blood rent by the way ladies bit amazed was happening in the UK in the 80s we would like I mean everything but the girl Sade the smash the Style Council so much weird like

white white people making trying to make like black soulless music but they didn't they grew up kind of a white pop stuff so this mesh that it made is beautiful and everything but the girls Style Council uh just the that was just coming out of there and so in the way they were dressing just I loved it it was kind of everything seemed so saturated and freeze level 42 like these kids just making this super mature off he's very mature pop but they clearly study jazz yeah so but they clearly hang out with punk kids

because they're like leather but like it's it's this mesh and I gravitated to that because they didn't really stick to one thing I was like oh this is fire yeah and you go back and listen to those records and you're right I think in the 80s because the whole culture of the 80s was considered this kind of gross decade where everyone was just going for self and the fashion reflected that and the production reflected that but you go back and you listen to it now knowing that every decade in its own way is totally gross

um then you go back to the 80s and you realize actually that there was some really weird songs and advance going yeah it's a lot of cool not I just keep getting I found since last night hold on I found some last night because I was it's cold outside links this band called links oh yeah I don't even know what this is some black dude band kinda in that level 42 I mean that like free there but it was more more poppy oh my god listen to how jazzy that is that broke look he brings

out the letter and he like reads the lyrics well that is the sickest to me what are you talking about oh it's cold that's kind of the sweetest thing I've seen somebody doing a performance in a long time actually for my way army yeah are we friends electro that it's so much that was coming up Newman was Gary Newman was out of his frickin mouth as mine but it's so sick like he actually was separate to the eighties like he says he's nothing and I'll never seen it like oh this is what everyone's on point

though even a drummer is like with the Afro and in their sin players I love all that this little nuances that like that out that I studied I my oh that's the coolest ever you said and when you're talking your friends jeredy there was a really cool Institute the floodway interview too and you sit in an interview that you were just really trying to because you've always been like totally into chords and you love the idea of kind of bringing chords into music because it's not necessarily the go-to for people making modern music these days

they're instantly go for six or seven cause turnarounds great progressions and all these sort of things I feel like you would even way higher on this record like I said to you in the studio we've heard like I didn't know where you're getting the reality from this wrong no yeah how did you get this off to that place again given the wave flower boy already took you i think i think everyone whether it's a movie and quentin tarantino will probably agree with this whether it's a movie or music everyone tries to recreate they try to

make stuff that gives them the feeling that something else had not necessarily make the same thing with the filling so when I was four or five six seven and I heard Brandis uh always on my mind number ten off that album or number eight off faith's album soon as I get home or sweet a still of by John a and this those when I was younger they don't the cords where I just said mom it goes up and down the slopes it's a feeling that that she gave me and every the music I like all

have that you pick all the emotive ones and people I know I probably sound like a broken record chords chords chords Tyler go like that's not but that's the that I can care about more than anything I listen to music all day so I wanted to make sure that this album every song gave me that feeling of Jesus can Christ I want every time I hear this I'm I'm like oh I didn't I couldn't have made this yeah that's why I wondered about how you feel when you listen back to your music because when I

hear you like the songs you're making I'm like damn man like how did you even know to go from there to there because that some of the most experienced songwriters would think that that cool progression is broken like you shouldn't be able to go from there to there but it's just I know it's all it's awful it's just what my ear gravitates to and they see there always says they want I've always wanted to make the prettiest that's borderline boring or the hardest and I've I've been trying to mix those together since my first album

literally the hardest in the previous if you loved the 80s and you love chords and you love the pretty she did surely and I hope I'm bang on the money with this surely like Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis vector Oh what they are doing late eighties early night with Kim Janet are you fun dumb evil funny how time flies one of the greatest believe it and even you edition like do can I stand the right it's like like mind-blowing libri insane images and they stay with the Hat Tom on it I want to rummage through

their keyboards just smell them then is their great God like God seriously and it makes me happy that this albums so that's far as successful I'm not reprogramming ears but people liking these songs with yeah stuff like this and drums like this and melodies that they don't that's like what it's reassuring the way that they listen music and maybe some of those people could now go back to Solange's last album and be like oh this is good just listen to what a different ear like because I feel like just got repetitive and still I mean

it definitely did get repetitive and still and I'm not saying much is the most out there she know but you had some well he wrote us some thirteen year old who's hearing this and it's like walls I've never experienced I have a ten-year-old and a 13 year old who went to a concert and I said to my wife like did they love it and she said they found they tried there they found their people there that's it I you brought enough people in the room that appreciate what you do they were like these are our

people these are open-minded creative people who want music to go beyond just a linear experience I don't want it to I don't it's so I mean studio sessions with this and they play some snotty please be like yeah this is tight but is it like good or what's the intent like it's so easy it's so easy to make some that needs could just can do this to like what are you what are you pushing it what's your nuances what are you adding to it that's not an obvious head not and I'm happy I have a

little cousin who can him and his friends gay listeners and subconscious like oh it's I could make music like this and whatever they make whether it's closed music or whatever when they're 1617 they could approach it differently yeah because this is like yeah a thing now you're feeding them man I love that musical em because that's how my favorites did it that's how you know the Erika's in the outcast and the Angela gays and yeah like D'Angelo has a whole album with just bass line and jazz cause it's so jazz what man has a king

30 minute intro before he start talking and I remember being nine cuz I bought that on my ninth birthday mm I was just like God he was such a weird nine you're welcome your friends I just thought I was you know how hard it is like all your ninth birthday gonna buy a meal the rooms infinite possibly you also do thinks your red is the person behind the camera Rickles was Sam Goody at the South Bay Galleria and I put D'Angelo I put the D'Angelo album down and he was like you should and I was

like yeah he's like is that it oh no and I went got the Miller albums like here and I think studied them you traveled a bit for this red quarter right you say that from the stage that you went to light and the end gets critted and I you just put the credits up you went to Lake Como his worst places to record than Lake Como yeah I just wanted to leave I just wanted to leave I went to Lake Como why Italy why cause my brain but it was awesome yeah Franco's like were you

at I was like I'm at the house he was like I'm gonna pull up pull it up on a boat Solange where you asked she pulled up on a boat like it was a movie it was sick though it was ducks why karma I mean it's amazing no somebody just said like homos nice and I looked it up and she look pretty and I was like all right we flying there what did you do you like rent a villa and just kind of take it out yeah we're in a villa work music from there what

did you make out there there's a couple of credits in there and on the album it's not that I don't love you anymore we laid out there yeah in like one tape types I think I'm falling in love got worked on out there is that way Solange did hit one like little we have a little microphone some puppet stuff got done out there boys are gone so lunch dinner parts but Frank didn't do anything out there he didn't jump on not because we were working sporadically too and it was a lot of hanging out but

yeah work recording at 4:00 a.m. because we couldn't sleep it must have been kind of nice in a weird way not that you probably have a thinking it because you guys are so close but let's be kind of nice it there that you defied that expectation of like are we here in Como you should get on this track it's like nah let's just hang out watching Adam salmon yeah it's never a it's not work yeah that'd be cool let's do it but wait when I came in the studio toward the end of the making of

the record and you upon and compiling things you know you were differently working like oh no no no I'm ok now it's yeah I want this out by this I want this I'll buy you this let's can do it and I'm I'm doing my what are you like when something doesn't stick can you let go of an idea if it's oh yeah it's songs I didn't make this album this song that and I've I grew I never had a pet as a child so I think because me not having to actually take care of something

and see everything is disposable to me so she's replaceable iMessage a car up ok if if something breaks her shirt alright ok I liked it but it's replaceable as long as body's fine at school so even with stuff like that it's easy to reset I don't really like it it's not friendships like not relationships with that - oh I'm a very loyal person yes and I keep the same thing you see the same is around since I was 16 oh yeah it's all really you know what you're his lawyer what was interesting was listening to

the album for the first time before we knew the people who had come and helped you sort of see it through and complete it and I I couldn't really pick anybody that was on the current that's what's so great about it it's like you presented them a few days later and it's like oh that's cool I didn't realize that person was on that that person was on that it was really it was really cool whereas flower boy super guest heavy like you but the guests up front were you was equally determined on this record to

keep the guests really kind of like tucked away and blend it in uh honestly I think I ruined songs I hate my voice I think I'm a king ridiculously talented producer and have a really really really good idea what kinds of messed up though because you are widely regarded as having one of the best phones and the best most recognizable voices in modern music yeah that's cute but when you want to write singing songs like Stevie Wonder yeah and you can't because your voice is holding you back and you sound like a monster all the

time and because of that people only want to hear you rap yeah but it's like I'm not even that good at that but I'm ridiculously good at that you start hating it more and I know my voice is sickest but it's like all right like I've wrapped let me let me show you all what else I could do like I could hit free throws but I could also like do cool dribble yeah yeah so because of that I decided on flour boy they just try to shut the up and only speak when I need to

speak so that's why Rex is on board I mean I don't come in until a minute and 20 seconds you know because I was like okay this is this is how it should be but that's what I'm think I'm good at the result yeah yeah like and alright I did my verse I said it here when I come in it's on topic concepts good make sure the flow is not jumbled then in there and it took me years to figure that out but you've really kind of been predominantly just producing your own music and and

for you to sit here now and acknowledge I've known you from almost the beginning to acknowledge that you feel like a better producer than you do kind of at least to your abilities be able to get to that place you want to as an artist with with the restrictions that you feel you have then I guess they're in a weird way now you must be ready to just go out and produce that's all I want to do imma spend the next two years made probably working on clothes and just producing trailers you definitely have the

musicality and that production chops now to be able to step into almost any environment I mean this a boy I want to go you want pop you keep you a rat if you can make puppet you can almost make anything yeah like that is so crazy dance and musical and even with the drums and the way you did that kind of like Geoff Barrow David Axelrod like like that ya know I Jeff's great Portishead's great all that but just I don't know I just have a year first stuff yeah and whether it's good or not

it's something it's an idea and I just try to execute who would you love to produce he must have a wish list dream list okay like it's like even beyond like but not even a possibility right now but who would you love just aesthetically and creatively and spiritually to get in a room with just to be able to contribute something to that career or that I'm open for anything at this point just cuz just energy is just so mmm I didn't know me it was II was gonna record that that day but it came out

sick and now Newsies on some that he's never been on and I got to find a pocket that I've never would have went for or like Susie gave me so yeah just energy stuff like that but I don't know um Big Dawg I'll do Beyonce obviously Jay I'm gonna do a jazz album someday I don't know it's so much I'm so good I've always been like cracking it open it always comes and always lands it always gonna like I said to you this is a really sad album is some really heartbreaking moments on this album

and you were like very and so I wonder and I I sort of wondered like you know what what maybe for you the saddest moment like what what the real core like core of the album SBU musically like what that what the song is he feel kind of conjures that up the most but your point of view we're talking lyrically yeah whatever the field I think uh I think puppet is gaining heavy that dark like that first verse is like Jesus Christ get ahold of yourself with this and abandonment issues on this record if you

go on the lyrics alone no definitely and I think a friend told me like oh that first verse for puppet could also be about someone having drug withdrawals long hunting like and when he says that I was like oh that is like what do you need you need bread do you need to be alone I can I can shut the up and get the way in the way from you instead what is your wish it could be granted that's cuz you rock you're number one one on my list see I'm saying I wear his Rudolph

you're a pair of cynic so I do not have some control I'm starting to wondering this is my free will of yours like that was like and that's also just being just completely honest like yeah that's really intense and that's like that shows a super super high level of self-awareness to the point where it's almost detrimental to your own well-being no yeah and it even being aware of it and then like still like that's why I'm verges crazy because it's like I'm clearly aware that I'm but what can I do like that and I think

that even being in the middle kind of in the middle of the album is what bridges everything together it's a really intense it's a beautiful and intense very open listen and and lyrically there is a few things that just keep coming back that sense of like please just like don't walk out like that like I get it yeah I think I say don't leave like a lot on its its earthquake it's a magic wand it's on gone gone and the verse yeah it's like it's a lot of stuff that just keeps popping up and stuff

and I think that's why a lot of people are gravitating to it because it is a complete idea it's oh that register just isn't read it was also worn over there this is surprised you it when you and you when you start taking a look at the body of work and you start to collect the moment so you feel they're gonna give it a cohesive feeling in your life that keeps coming up a lot is that you surprised even you yeah but again it's just being honest and just putting this like this is the first

album where I I didn't want to be cool yeah I wasn't trying to be cool it's know who that boys snow snow swell it's just this they're there yeah and it may seem repetitive but that's kind of like everyone wakes up in the morning yeah absolutely I don't care how confident a picture you presented yourself or how much you think you have it under control everyone is terrified of abandonment everyone's terrified of being left alone and those experiences you have whether you're a kid or a grown-up they stay with you I think those are some

of the most prison experiences of your life is when people walk out yeah and then even if it's not even that it's always something it's skirty things really point back to your childhood in the gate I didn't have a pet so okay it could this car could blow up I'll get another one it's because I didn't I don't have to take care of you know what I mean yeah it's always a little SH like that so definitely I don't know what that is for me but I'll probably figure it out in like two years yeah

again it's funny cuz what we've spoken about your music before and I've up and I think I've come at it from the wrong angle a few times so I've been like you know like if I did this done this interview two or three I was it going to be like yeah yeah you keep saying to me the same thing like I don't know yet yeah I just went riding this music to work it out no yeah people don't it's always a little SH like that bad oh that's I think everyone should turn 25 I think

everyone's dumb god-willing until they're 25 if I didn't start if I didn't started making music at 24 bro how uh if I started at flower boy and then I will be a God Jesus cry if you can't just count some of the work you put out it's funny it's cool no we wouldn't know when I didn't I will turn 2500 that you would be on you were being honest on wolf you use book any minute you spoke about like your upbringing and your family situation or wolf with greater yet it's it's it was a safari

it's there but it was also who was 65 70 percent cool it was 30 percent of damn it Tyler just shut the like I didn't realize let's just stop yelling on song till I was 24 seriously and I was like why the didn't y'all tell me to just stop and yelling all in there like it's little Sh like that yeah for example like I was like oh maybe I should just stop being funny on the internet and maybe people will realize how talented I am or start taking my music in art more serious but when

you started trying to get all the tips but you don't realize it till you're 25 I didn't know how I'm also I'm 28 now hey I'm good with it I'm terrified I'm terrified you know what I'm just scared of getting fat and just gross and cuz I see it I seen you start getting money they eat everywhere they let they so go think about it what they wake up at noon first thing they do they smoke they kick it so we gonna eat yeah they smoked again they go eat they're not running they not really

doing activities luckily I ride my bike all the time and you go the trampoline world and play tag we play tag every day but a lot of people let themselves go you don't look not at all never have I had before yeah I was like last time I did that I was 19 yeah yeah yeah then and it just it was an unproductive experience it's just not for me mhm yeah I'm not gonna just and you don't drink for me never been drunk in my life you'd be drunk in your life and you eat well

cuz I just saw what you ate so you did eat all right I eat like a five-year-old still a little bit just cupcakes and but I'm active so luckily I'm good but he is be gone but it's 21 I'm like bro you work you look 29 I want 80 I want to talk to you about and this is gonna seem like the weirdest thing to focus on because it really is obviously just a personal enjoyment thing for you but I really have like become quite obsessed with the fact that you know you are single-handedly promoting

the idea of riding a bike yeah i and I just love the fact it's so important to you because it's obviously way more than just an A to B scenario it every time I see you in Los Angeles by accident you're on the bike it's that brings me so much joy I don't I don't know what it is I love riding like especially during Golden Hour and having like the perfect songs on in the Sun just on me I'm so happy and every everyone has something that gives them a ridiculous immense amount of joy that

I just love it I love when it's five of us and we just go get lost we're little we literally put them in the back of the pickup truck and it's like where we going I don't know out somebody go I don't know let's just go towards Tally's Verdes or Santa Barbara oh this is a cool street and we get out and we will ride we wrote the most I think we did was 35 miles man I love it I think more people need to go outside it was the best ride you ever had can

you remember the best the best day of ahead on your bike is two it's two days so it was tour 2017 the oohs by King cool is out so that's like the album with a month and we're a st. Louis and we're just riding around the city then we hit it's cold and I'm from LA it's like this 24/7 so it's probably only 40 but the weird diet so we're writing and um we see this park we should go to this park and it's no leaves on the trees they're all on the ground and piles

and we stop and we're like what the and I've never seen those like this cuz at least where I live in LA it's not gonna be green still yeah and it's just all these different color leaves just on the ground just is any problem we just we just get off our bikes and we're looking and we start falling into of it playing and if it's a video somewhere and everyone was like bro you've never seen that but it's like no this is brand new to me and it's crazy like I was like 26 and that

it was still something so brand new to me like that and just that riding around with what the chick-fil-a it was something so simple nothing crazy but it's those simple moments that no McLaren no beat like no amount of money could ever I love that and then 2000 and 2017 a week flower boy came out it was the one day that I didn't have to go do press or anything and me Jasper and Wyatt we skated around the island of New York just went we didn't know where we were going we just really got lost

and it was just fun it's just I don't know we didn't have a destination we knew we could do anything buy anything whatever but it was the Sun was out and in New York because the buildings and stuff see I'm here in LA the sun's on everything but out there because of so many buildings and stuff when the Sun comes through one of the cracks are so tough oh yeah and we took a break at the Chelsea Market and we sat down and uh it was a wider Jasper why I was sitting down on the

curb and I took this photo and it's my favorite photo I've ever took because that day was so perfect the album just came out it was doing good the TV show the shoes everything was going we just skated around sweated for no reason and it's one of the best moments ever and that story just went nowhere but those that's this guy remember that I'm like oh that's there's a couple of people who showed up on a record I want to talk about Rick real quick because I was really pleasantly surprised that you collaborated with him

and one is is ally you know Lou who's such an amazing kind of yeah it's like pop stop for me and someone who's like made him yeah Dez made some really deep pop music and I wonder how that happen just cuz that popped out like just her voice man it's something about the tone of that voice that's it's light but it it has depth to it when it's layered and Harmon it's I just thought it was great she's my 80s time too yeah it's that that high eighties hit and that's what I was looking for

on um I needed that for thank you and I got her on there and she did some stuff we run out of time but I didn't I didn't end up keeping it but we're definitely gonna do something in the future I'm gonna say man you're producing with her would be epic yeah that'd be sick they're so cool there you could I think you could your publishing or different you could put some putty a business of boys a gun and you know the song of boy has a gun to me is like one of the centerpieces

of the record just because it kind of sums up all the elements of the record that I love right it has that kind of like timeless soul but also it's like a modern take on it you play around with you know just you know just hang your oh here's a sample wrap over there yeah it comes in it comes out the whole thing is super playful and yet that the song itself is this yearning for like acceptance you know yeah that sounds like Cupid no no don't leave don't leave but keep it like yeah and

I just wanted to wrap just so it's more I'm just talking and it's very a lot of the song they're very specific things to it's not just like it take your hoodie off why you hide your face for me like I love that line that line thinking of that I'm thinking of the moment of that moment then I went home I wrote but it's a that one is a moment final always said Lana would you say that song sounds like a boys again yeah he said sound like a 1973 arguing where I'm just we're following

each other in the house and yeah yeah yeah and that boy don't shoot me down split the conversation switches yeah yeah yeah yeah we couldn't yet but it's and yeah I love that so it's so and I used to suck at sampling I think I will overthink every one of the head of this but that worked out all perfect it's so perfect when it comes back in with the old soul sample and it's just the whole thing is such a beautiful because I did I started listening to us I'm literally like oh I would do

that oh I'll put this here I know I'll let that go for three bars instead of four and I'll start rearranged so then I'll just go home exact huh just cuz this is super hot as well when you have a sample that's like that dominant anyone else we're just like I said make the track around that sample but you know that sample really is subservient to your arrangement yeah yeah yeah it's all about how you arrange in structure I really start paying attention the structure like 2016 and it doesn't well I only taught myself how

to write songs like who does it really well like who do you think like yeah if we totally specifically about the kind of people that take liberties with song structure for the better and add value by being unique like who do you love um I think Drake is really good with song structure I agree I think Frank is really good at sauce drawer so I think Frank's really good at song structure dude I mean of course early Neptunes is just to the point where song structure but keeps it interesting mm-hmm just pop I I think

started from the bottom is one of the greatest pop totally it's also one of the Ella's beats like if we can just talk about beats for a second you're gonna create a playlist of just the sickest yeah yeah it's like it's just so incredible that tracks unbelievable again starting to pay attention to songs that I've already loved so what Stevie was doing have you had an experience with Stevie like if you had like a meaningful creative experience I met that you once I was with Dave Chappelle he was like Stevie it looks today was like

this is Tyler it seems like hi nice to meet you I was like what's up I like you he's stealing your cool it's like thanks then he looked away and I was like four shells you walk away with Lisa will glow the clear conscience at least you own up to it all right later it was sick going through now again I see Kanye on here rad verse on puppet tell us the story about that he's great I think so I love Kanye cuz I love that I think yeah yeah is in my top three Kanye

albums I heard Violent Crimes and I cried it's crazy how honest he was on that album and made it sound cool he's been honest good talk his friend but it's on it's a different it's a different honesty on that okay yeah album yeah good it is a hundred grand to turn your best friend to op it has dark totally that's I love that album he doesn't hold except when the drums come in on that first on the intro but I love that album you know my favorite rock versus ever is from good music is Pusha

T when he goes on the president of good music is being announced and you go ah congratulations and he goes quarter of a million and that check don't bounce you think I check don't bow that's a light salary they know I was like I appreciate the honesty but you might want to go and seek a race he's my favorite rapper hit me when the howlman came out and said I killed it and I reply back you don't know how much this mean to me yeah I love that yeah yeah because he's I really do yeah

quality and consistent comes out as music is always amazing I love him are you working up a Conway and obviously obviously for Rawls on the Rick or too but I mean that's a deep relationship that you guys have forged and I feel like he if there was anyone that was gonna be somebody that you would look to as a peer but also someone who's kind of inspired you musically and the way that he approached chords and all the things that matter to you that man I miss my damn father that's where it's at I love

him and his deeper than just being a fan of his music I mean just on a behind-the-scenes level he's opened the doors for me in so many ways I am forever in debt to that man mm-hmm like for real for real you think of one really cool bit of advice for one thing he said to you that really stuck because I know you collect that stuff you just said it's a difference between getting old and getting older getting older is just wiser and yeah being more aware and things with something's get old some people just

try to rock him and still out here and do rags and Pelle Pelle jackets being stuck at a time and getting old and you know he just told me to just never get old say getting older so I gotta ask the question because I've danced around a little bit and we're gonna finish up but I wanted to ask this question and I don't I want to say this with the most respect because I think we're at in your career right now is just you just you're on the best wave ever and the fact you had

number 1 with this album the most adventurous honest Rick could even be made like seriously respect with everything like it's so deserving but I can't until Billy Eilish me up next week yeah but that's okay cuz I don't just be she she absolutely came from no way she's totally deserve it in this part right now that album is mind-blowing do you loved it out and by the way I think it's sick I like her I think she's I just want her to just keep doing her damn thing yes she will though that's the cool thing

about it I think if she's having this kind of success right now and this kind of and not compromising to work or her oh that what the we will make even if you don't come out if it's trash I still just want to see what we could now you guys would make incredible work that can happen I'm sure they can definitely I wanted to ask you this so I know you don't look back but I've noticed in the last decade that there is one crew or one thing that has had the most impact on a

young independent creative spirits and that is our future there's no doubt about it there's no doubt about it when you guys came out and you established your own independent lane and you were just uncompromising and then you were like open about who you were and what you liked and what you didn't like and you weren't scared and you've grown up in public and so much greatness has come out of that and oh and I wonder whether there's ever an opportunity for for that to be reflected and documented the right way I didn't even and I

still don't think I know the impact that we may have had on a generation i it's you I was with Lionel two weeks ago and I was like look at how these kids are dressed I was like but like all the kids are dressed like this now and not all the kids I mean just the ones I'm not talking about specifically it's like man like I remember being 17 and that I was the out life but I couldn't everyone's like the keyword and I thought it was so sick that they all have each other like

oh look at this look at these overalls or this tee I got hurt he's like yeah I thought that was cool and songs like you know that's cuz they use like huh I mean maybe but I don't know how important I the future was and it's cuz I just lived in it who's just doing our thing he was just being us and isn't up to somebody to convince you of that because it would be kind of like you say a strange observation a strange realization like we're really important and by the time you do that

you have very little lane to travel anymore you only look back and you only live in your past successes you've got so much more to do but I just sold much and I and I'm aware of the fluence we've had or certain but I don't think I'll know how much deeper it goes outside from some people starting to wear a certain shirt soare people's album artwork like others it's way more than that it's the bravery to be able to come out and speak openly about you know how you feel you know anxiety depression sexual preference

you know who you are as individual how you feel about about you know the country you live in all the stuff that you guys did without making a scene out of it like you never came out of made a statement you were just like this is how I feel like I could lump it yeah yeah I mean that is how I am you know me yes yeah that I I wish more people was like that a lot of people are taking that now though and making it King like not cool everyone gettin canceled everyone I

have anxiety I can't come on I can't close the door to my refrigerator because I people were making such a scene out of this now and it's it's annoying and I hope that that opened the door for a lot more people is be honest with themselves and not try to fit in or whatever if you don't like something if you like so I'm just gonna do it we're just like one moment that lasted like an hour or an hour and a half they correctly told that story endorsed by all of the stakeholders directed by someone

sick with you being interviewed before your 60 of those guys I talked to demo earlier today actually it's crazy like some kids ran and then you know from save and Earl and friend like every it's and everyone's so good right like everyone's kinda good it's rare that lands that way and that you're able to look back on that experience that brain hit me the other day just would have congrats and it's like and it's sick like man I hit I hit every up the other day I was like he made this comment and he said

people don't realize we got famous off our first ideas our rough drafts this was 19 like I've been I finished editing Yonkers when I was 18 years old that's something that is so light like it people don't realize like we got famous off our first dumbass ideas before perfecting Shh and I I say that like it's beautiful that for me at least it's been just this up like album six oh I just got my number one I just when she was getting played on the radio two years ago which it wasn't a bunch it literally

it was a lay radio station they was looking out just incredible and those guys are really cool and they looked out and played in a couple times but that meant so much because like this is brand-new to me like this come out the gate number one album pop his song private jets Brent like it's been a steady slope for me people are bought in because of all the creative creativity you shared with us from and it's everything and I use you as an example when I hope you don't mind when I'm talking to young artists

and they're like how do we kind of cut through and all of the noise and I say you have to look at it as not a job you have to look at creativity as a life and you have to wake up and want to create all the time and I use you as the prime example of someone who has real estate on Fairfax and real estate on the internet and real estate in the App Store and real estate in the music game and real estate in videos and real estate in fact it's just like you

have all of these things a lot of a lot of these guys antennas money these favorite rappers alright they come up they fired and what were they working for cuz they want to choose the money the cars and when they get that it's nothing driving them what drives me is getting the idea executed and every time I have ideas shoots for that it's not about having a about Spotify playlist a little about Apple playlists I'm gonna bout none of that but when something I work hard on is on there and I'm next to the biggest

song in the world it's like oh wow this idea made it to that oh Sh well yeah hey everyone look god this is what sitting in my room for hours 7:00 a.m. every morning on album 6 like all I haven't I'm not yet let me perfect this idea yeah in this melody in this progression and let me sit on Photoshop for hours and do this no the coloring in its video is not work I didn't even say hello to me for 10 minutes when I came in the studio and I wasn't even offended because he

was so deep in your Photoshop it's not it was so deep yeah I can spend so much time on this yeah and whether or not people whatever the I just want the idea executed and when that happens and it goes number one bro that means a lot this album isn't just in that I didn't think people would like this I won based on everyone hating Cherry Bomb so no everyone hate it was a small sector of people that liked it and because I put the instrument without people were coming across to it and starting to

appreciate it when that came out everyone can hated it bro everyone can hated it everyone didn't understand it this is fake nurse actually no because your music taste is so surface-level you wouldn't even know where this is actually from because that's the only engage of anything that's black and weird that you could get this from but that's actually from this and I'm not saying that album is good or bad I'm just saying people who can hate it that so when I put this out and it it beat first week and again I don't make to

beat first week or beer ad or whatever but for this work of art and that album cover in these videos and me doing this suit wig thing beat and this is no disrespect to Khalid or anyone but this had every person in the industry everyone on that album everyone everyone cardi B 21 savage Travis got post Malone Beyonce J everyone who sells billions of Records and the fact that I beat him with this that isn't parallel to all the popping music right now was king crazy Birla it are you serious like that was insane to

me and it's new to me bro come on album 5 and say yeah I'm sorry and it's were it's work its effort it's work this is skiing whether it's like it or not but with so much work in detail put into this like before you go I gotta ask you I have to ask you man as I'm so proud of you should be home hyped P facetiming global I told him little blah blah blah I was happy yeh I talk to you like telling these people that I love who are proud of me and I

hung up and I'm like alright sick this week school but that'll mean that little number one is baby scale in the grand scale like all right back to work back to this movie make sure this is good make sure you like that number one is baby bro I'm getting so grateful and happy but don't get it stuff that's baby oh I still got it I think I have the one of the best festivals we got top three festivals right now it's Coachella then it's me and then I don't know whoever's max but I have to

make sure I keep pushing that to get to number one at some point what's the movie oh I just I'm gonna make movies at some point you got a script already really good I'm good ideas and maybe who knows I know I have to ask you before you go now you can tour and you can tour the world yeah like not 95 percent of the world but the world you go back to the UK which is so crazy and we were gonna have a conversation when that first happened we were somehow dancing here on the

idea of having conversation is didn't landed it wasn't the right time and then you've just been back to the UK chaos ensued healthy chaos excitement but now you've got three like you've got official shows you can't even imagine what's gonna be like stiff on the stage it's gonna be insane and I'm so hyped man I'm happy to go back I'm I'm Heights man and I'm happy you it's gonna be great it's work to do though it's work to do