Are You Eating Too Much Protein? (ft. Dr. Mike Israetel)

I just had a huge protein shake an entire rotisserie chicken and I mixed Greek yogurt with K tuna Nicole that's still not enough protein says who says me this is a hot dog is a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah I put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich what Welcome to our podcast of hot dog is the sandwich the show we break down the world's biggest food debates I'm your host Josh a and I'm your host nicolei and today we have

a very special guest he's a nutrition expert with a PhD in sports physiology and he co-founded the diet coach and hypertrophy app Renaissance periodization he's easily the tallest richest and handsomest Dr Mike on YouTube Dr Mike Isel welcome to the show that was a very rough intro I feel in a very diminutive position and I tend to react negatively to such things kind of like if you if you poke a miniature dox and gently with a stick you're getting the teeth my favorite dog my favorite dog is a minut the little the long-haired miniature doin

but but they can be mean that's okay I don't mind Mike you can do your own intro entirely how would you like to be introduced oh my God I was totally kidding that was uh the fact that there are two very fit very successful very smart Russian Jewish Dr mics on YouTube I know I love it is pretty incredible we love that for representation we sure do I'm not Russian but and neither are you what you're not Russian hovsky all Jews are Russian then the pomes put them out that's not what we're here to talk

about is the only other Russian Jew here Russian Ukrainian all that okay what we are talking about Mike today the podcast is called how much protein is too much protein but I want to tell you how we're getting into that because we were talking about all the silly diet trends that say 20 30 years ago looking back at all the zero fat raspberry vinegrets that are on shelves or the uh snackwell devil's food cakes that we grew up eory of our lives in the name of the lowfat diet trends of the 9s and every era

that humans have existed in was the smartest era of that time roughly speaking so we were thinking about what are the dietary Trends today that we're going to look back on in 2030 years in cringe at yes and the only thing we could really think of was the incredible protein ification of the entire grocery store but what do you think about that I think I can't say much because I don't want to call it a conspiracy but if I speak out of turn big protein will squash me under their chicken and Greek yogurt scented globalist

thumb they'll find you right and I just want to say very nice kind things about big proteins so that they don't disappear me in the middle of the night that's how bad this trend has gotten they are fully in control you guys have no doubt heard the political assertion that there is a deep State underneath the actual democracy that we have there is a deep protein State as well and it's 10 times bigger than the Deep State itself think about that what are we really up against well I'm curious is there is there actual truth

to what you're saying or you uh no absolutely not well well no no no because he's a little stinky I like him I think they're not not to give validation because this is how this happens with conspiracy theories but to me if we are talking about I heard you and Dr Mike Dr Mike vosi talking about um like The glp1 Agonist and how that's going to affect the food industry and you talked about how they're going to see new opportunity in creating these very hyper palatable but macro friendly which is to say high protein foods

and we're seeing so many of those every magic spoon cereal I'm a big fan of the macros are incredible on it for a bowl of cereal and it tastes pretty good now every cereal company has come out with a macro-friendly competitor to that a proxy of of that kind of um post they're all doing this and it's all just soy protein isolate and the markup on it is incredible so the way that they can combat you know a falling consumption of food is is to Mark things up with excessive protein content so I think there

kind of is a protein deep State out there there is it is uh it's a very good point the good news is that it there is zero conspiracy and there is 100% reflexive adjustment to market demand companies are profit-driven Enterprises and they generally especially over the long term and especially as an aggregate as a whole industry will respond very sensitively to their demands of their consumers for example if tomorrow everyone who went to McDonald's was a health nut and they just demanded healthy food this is a joke but the day after used as a as

an analogy as soon as possible McDonald's would rearchitecturing you know what that just absolutely degrades the tradition of our company selling junk food that's how I brought up that's my America and I'm going to I'm going to go down fighting they don't care they care that the customer is happy and the customer receives what they want and so when human beings in the world Sally with their dollars and their opinions tell all sorts of companies hey protein is important to me I want more protein most companies don't even really do the work of seeing you

know is this like Optimal nutritionally or whatever the downside is like they don't do that work because they're not so incentivized to do that work the upside is companies uh in a large capitalist Society like ours just generally really trust their consumers and they're not going to assume they know better than their consumers if you tell me you want a a red Ferrari I say yes if all of a sudden a poop brown Ferrari is inv Vogue Ferrari is gonna make their cars poop brown because that's what people want and so the protein overc consumption

situ which isn't really a big deal and I can speak to that at length and I'm sure I will in a sec but it's like why is there protein in Foods it is not top down at all it is entirely bottom up people want more protein and I'm sure we'll cover this but sometimes they don't know why but it's one of those flexes it's kind of like organic or GMO free um those terms are loaded unfortunately in other ways but they communicate something to the consumer they communicate I want to be a healthy person and

I care air and now recently high protein has also stood up to that pedestal and said hey if I'm a consumer and I care for my health you know I had a late night at work I'm just trying to buy some breakfast cereal for tomorrow I get in I'm redyed I'm looking around the shelves and it's oh new high protein cereal I'm like you know what I looked in the mirror earlier today I do care about me I care about longevity and health and whatever else and you know high protein seems like it checks that

box and enough people doing that a lot of the cereals are high protein and that's how it happens with protein products yeah it's interesting even seeing the way that it shifted cuz I remember something like codiak cakes maybe those were so hot what 10 15 I remember them on Target and you look at the macros and there's maybe an additional 5 grams of protein per serving which is a reasonable amount of protein to add to a food but then especially in the morning but then now those that actual macro breakdown isn't competitive it's been escalating

like crazy because I think people are so obsessed with this intake of protein Mike what would you recommend for people say general population people who aren't interested in hypertrophy as far as like protein consumption per day what should they be eating great question Josh because I want to know too well we were this cuz we both have the same protein goals despite living wildly different Lifestyles we do Nicole I'm going to give you the worst answer ever it's going to be all nuance and fluff and zero anything you can pin to it's just going to

you're going to hear 20 minutes of me rambling you're be like I I don't know what that means I'm going to use a combination of metric and imperial units in the conversion it's going to be terrible fantastic yes all right so for folks that are not trying to keep a high level of muscularity on their bodies for folks that don't resistance train consistently throughout the week two to four times a week and even more as a little as half a gram of protein per pound of body weight per day can fulfill all of your health

and protein needs that means if you happen to weigh you know let's say 160 pounds even 80 grams of protein per day will keep you healthy and upright and everything's going to be totally fine that's the answer there pretty straightforwardly much less protein than that is gonna probably you're going to be okay until you drop to much much less and then you'll have some issues but much more protein than that can be very very beneficial if you would like to maintain a more muscular leaner physique and if you want to benefit greatly from the upsides

of consistent resistance training more protein is a good idea then and I can speak to how much and what's too much in that whole situation for me like I mean I've seen Josh consume at any given Meal Time 50 to 60 grams of protein right is that fair I try and have I don't even like the term meal anymore but I try and doing four protein feedings at roughly 50 g of Pop sometimes splitting them but then sometimes when you're in a rush it involves you grabbing fistfuls of lunch meat weighing them on a bing

scale I've been there too you know but I've been told that the human body absorbs quote unquote only what like 30 grams of protein 25 grams of protein what is the actual stats on that that's a great question that's one of those myths that's been with us for a very long time right right I I grew up with that in the 24-Hour Fitness oh yes that's very classic so it turns out those studies were done generally not after resistance training and they were done with whey protein only which digests really quickly and so there's only

so high the spike can go until your body just can't use it enough it's almost like saying okay I have one minute to tell you about a topic how many words can I use well if you're talking to chat GPT 4.5 in a minute it can crap out like a million words you you can't read that fast so you can't utilize those words and just the same way if you take whey protein which is incredibly fast digesting by itself which is what almost those all the studies did yeah man anything above 30 grams of protein

for most folks who don't resistance train the rest of it just gets burned as fuel for the rest of your day for calories your body can't incorporate it because it digests so quickly it skyrockets into your blood and your muscle cells are like listen we can only incorporate this so quickly so that amount changes if you have a meal that's slower digesting if you have some lunch meat if you of turkey if you have a mixed meal of carbs protein fats and protein all of a sudden your body can quote unquote use double that amount

of protein and if you are larger if you have more muscle and if you're actively resistance training the demand for protein goes up and then it's like three times that number so if I give a strongman competitor yeah some somebody who weighs a you know two 280 pounds who's very muscular very big and I give them a burrito that has tons of carbs tons of fats and tons of protein I mean they can fully utilize for muscle growth a 100 grams of protein at a time no problem wow but if it's just whey protein if

they are 160 pound recreationally trained 18 to 22y Old Collegiate male and uh you know and it's it's hits the blood really quick by itself then yeah anything more than 30 or 40 grams isn't bad for you but it's just going to get burned for fuel because your cells can only absorb it so quickly so the concept of how much protein is too much protein there's never an example where like that extra 25 gram that your body doesn't absorb doesn't like go into The Ether right your body just uses it as fuel so what if

you have like issues with like your kidneys and stuff and too much protein can like give you a kidney stone cuz again I'm just regurgitating stuff that I've seen online again I don't have any like medical training or stuff I'm just regurgitating what I'm seeing on the internet where people like if you have too much protein be careful with your kidneys like is there any basis in that there is if you have diagnosed kidney disease if you're kidney from donating it to someone then you have very special instructions that are quite different from everyone else

outside of that high protein diets even very very high protein to the point of absurdity which they've tested for months on end with folks and some number of seminal studies back about 10 years ago there just aren't really any measurable downsides and there's no theoretical downside got it so the biggest downside of eating like 400 grams of protein per day is really can be a few one of them is you get you have to miss out on all the other food because if you eat a lot of protein plus the rest of your food you

just eat too many calories and then you're just going to gain fat and so you say okay if I want 400 grams of protein a day that means I have to low carb and low fat to fit it into my lifestyle and then it's all of a sudden like you know you go out with friends and they're like oh my God like what are you going to order and you're like um do they have just slabo meat in here slab meat this is a normal restaurant like well I can't have anything on the menu so

it's it's not great from there another thing is especially if it's from meat like at some point uh and Josh might relate to this a little bit as we've all done wacky stuff in our lifting history you try really high protein diets and it's like chicken and steak and at some point three weeks in you're like if I have to chew anymore I quit everything about this no more chewing and also you let's be honest uh this I wasn't informed in the leadup this is a family podcast so I'll put this as mildly as I

can pooping and farting are somewhat related to your protein intake and if you like having friends around then consider very high protein diets might not do so well with your friends is at some point there's a couple of phases of your friends just fart too much from protein there is um um shock then Amusement oh he's so funny with his bodybuilding then there is um uh confusion like why is this still happening at some point you get into the resentment phase of like seriously this isn't cool anymore and then anger um grief sadness and then

maybe recapitulation of that cycle hopefully at some point you catch wind of this so that your friends leave you that's definitely a concern uh no this this actually happened to me and it's not a problem but like you've never I'm dead serious is it because we're at work all the time like you don't like pass gas no you you're meeting a very moderate version of me in my professional life when I was 21 years old I was doing some German volume training 10 by okay can you explain to the to the people that don't know

what that is what what that is German volume training Mike forgive me if I'm if I'm stepping on some toes here to me it is a uh a system of of exercise that only works if you are on copious amounts of uh Eastern block steroids where you just do 10 sets of 10 reps and me 10 sets of 10 reps as a 21-year-old uh shot putter I was like maybe I am a perfect candidate for this and so I was eating 450 grams of protein a day how many calories in that 450 there's no tracking

when you're dirty bulking and I was doing something called carb cycling where one day a week I would just drink two liters of Mountain Dew I don't know um what this is dirty okay dirty bulking I got bodybuilding.com we all some wacky diet this is is EIC truly but also when you're talking about the people around you just being they were at first amused and then they were like disgusted with the fs and I remember my roommate Andrew Rickards you met him just watching me eat a twb slab of skin on salmon like an animal

and on salmon and still being a chef I put like caramelized fennel and like roasted tomatoes on such an edge and he still brings that up to like 15 years later and so yeah we've all done some wacky stuff my question as far as like a general population is concerned I think it was Michael pollen who said never before has such an unhealthy Society been so obsessed with health fair is this large amount of protein intake actually causing large scale Health gains for the general population I know it's too early to tell and there's no

studies but like what's your prognostication on that no it's not um and I can explain why but like it's like it's like too much sugar equals diabetes right too much fat equals heart disease too much protein equals question mark so I can remind too much sugar does not equal diabetes too much fat does not necessarily lead to heart disease and it um mostly doesn't Okay and too much protein leads mostly just your friends having to sit you down and keep you seated because if you stand up the farts just continue and just try to talk

some sense into um the thing is there is a so just to quickly to the sugar thing yeah there's nothing inherently wrong with sugar but sugar is really tasty and so when people eat a lot of it they tend to overeat on their calories and the extra calories put on extra fat and then people get very very overweight for very long time that causes all the bad things diabetes the whole the whole lot of it um one of the interesting things about this is that the primary model for inducing diabetes in laboratory animals is overfeeding

of saturated fat not sugar interesting gain a lot of fat weight they just get diabetic right and so fats especially if you have healthy fats like monounsaturated fats polyunsaturated fats olive oil canola oil nuts nut Butters avocados then you can eat like almost all of your diet and fats and just be the healthiest person that's ever lived it's awesome too many saturated fats aren't great but you can eat a lot of them if your calories aren't overdoing it right you're good to go the problem is when you go to McDonald's and each Burger has 50

grams of fat in it and you have three of them it's the calories that end up kicking you right no one's saying hypothetically you could overeat like green salads and veggies and get fat but no one's hypothetically theoretically it's possible but nobody's going to do that because they're so filling and so low in calories sugars and fats are so not filling and so high in calories and so tasty we tend to overdo it that's really the problem with protein now the good news is protein doesn't have that problem so if if someone's going to be

overe eting sugar overeating fat or overeating protein I would prefer the overe protein because this they're going to be able to gain weight Josh something you can probably speak to is when you're having a high protein diet it's actually harder to get in a ton of calories because you're like I could just do this with Taco Bell but I have to labor through this three chicken breasts and after that your rice is like they don't even want to eat anything else this is terrible and so protein it tends to be pretty satiating compared to most

of the other Foods you could eat it's not the most satiating because green veggies and fruits are actually more satiating calorie for calorie but it's not excessive there's not like you know no one's like you imagine meeting someone who's just morbidly obese and you're like how did it come to this like sh all these protein shakes you know like what really like no I'm kidding it's you know Milkshakes that did this so protein at least isn't very palatable in that sense hyper palatable so that's cool but the problem is if you resistance training very hard

and you are really organizing your diet super well you can get up to about a gram of protein prot per pound of body weight per day so if you weigh 200 pound 200 gram there is a theoretical and somewhat literature-based argument that up to maybe about 250 grams 1.25 grams of protein per pound of body weight per day can have additional marginal benefits anything beyond that has no upsides and a lot of these now no downsides but no upsides and so a lot of the folks that end up doing this thing where they eat a

lot of protein foods Off the Shelf at Kroger when they go shopping but they're not resistance training they don't have a lot of muscle they're like more protein's good right and you're like you passed the good part like 80 grams of protein ago and while that's not bad there is this illusion to your guys's kind of suspicion that there may be something wrong with it that to me the biggest problem is people have this sort of idea kind of vibe in their mind that their health behavior the things they do to support their health is

like a little list on an iPhone with little green check marks next to it little boxes you can check mark and people generally tend to have an idea there may be three to five of those like I'm active I resistance train um I get good sleep I have good Stress Management I eat healthy like if I check all those I take the medications doc says I should take I'm good to go and the problem is because that context window is real small for most people well for many people that just doesn't exist because they're like

What's health behavior like you know never mind but for those that does exist what they get from that eating super high protein Way Beyond their needs Vibe when they go to the grocery store and all the cereals or protein cereals they get to have this green check mark take one of those slots they go see I'm eating protein and then they don't fix their calorie intakes they're still eating too many super tasty Foods they're still underactive they're still eating a lot of crap they don't eat enough fruits and vegetables they don't pay attention to their

sleep or their stress levels they go to the doctor two years later and the doctor comes back with their blood work like listen Phil um he just not looking so good and and what's the first thing you hear but I've been eating the protein cereals and it's like it's just a dud you know it's kind of like if you have let's say 30 bullets in your gun and you're shooting it into battle and you're killing bad guys and stuff and then you run out of bad guys to kill but you still have bullets you just

shoot them up into the sky someone's like what are you doing you're like I'm helping I'm shooting bullets like what but they're not going anywhere and so after a certain while enough protein is just like you're but you feel like you're doing stuff so in your video game stats you're like you shot 50 bullets but only 25 of them went somewhere so I don't want people to feel like I'm eating a lot of protein this is great it's awesome but after very not so much protein you could be using that health behavior elsewhere yeah does

that make sense of course 100% And I feel like um I I thought that all of this protein debate was a very very new thing but I've been reading a great book called Revolution at the table by Harvey Levenstein going through how America ended up with our sort of dietary predilections um back in God the 1860s I think Justice Von Li big the one who discovered macronutrients effectively are you looking at me for confirmation or he's also the guy who remember when we made ug the quick aside ugu National pasta dish pasta Caruso remember that

has that very specific meat extract that was also invented by Justice Von liic the father of macroon nutrients also the father of ugu's national pasta dish but anyways um fletcherizing does that mean anything to either of you fletcherizing fletcherizing in the 1880s it was a dietary Trend it was chewing your food for so long that it physically broke down to sugar in your mouth you chewed every bite for yeah times or whatever it wasn't called fletcherizing but I literally remember my mom saying remember to chew your food on 25 25 times this side and then

25 times on this side so it digests well in your stomach yeah and Mark Mark Twain he had a lot of intellectuals but he would also part of his thing was consuming less protein because at the time they measured all the health markers of like their biggest Lads in the 1800s which were all upper class people and they were eating a lot of beef and bread so they sort of retrofit the idea well it looks like a a grown man should have 150 g of protein per day meanwhile you also had the vegetarian movement that

um you know uh Battle Creek sanatorium and corn flakes coming out to try and get people to eat vegetarian so you had this sort of vegetarian carnivore dichotomy back then and then people debating proteins but my dad I remember eating low lowfat cheit because at least he was eating a lowfat food right he I mean just had you know uh he was pre-diabetic had heart disease but at least he was eating lowfat Che it and it like it gave him that thing it was like the write off like people saying at least I'm getting my

protein which is why I'm generally dubious of um you know one of the problems today is that we've just made food taste too good with science hyper palatable Ultra processed we've made it taste Anno It Goes Down Easy Like Mike said when you're just chewing a massive steak or piece of chicken you get tired of it it doesn't taste that good but you get Quest protein chips you had the taco Quest protein chips if I could well are you asking me if I if I could eat ribeye or Quest protein chips I'd eat the ribeye

sure but the quest protein chips go down easy Nicole you may think that this is what you want tell me what I want about 18 meals straight later sure it doesn't taste the same anymore I totally agree I think just like Keen Instinct I'm like yeah I'm obviously going to pick this steak but in reality I'm if I'm sitting at my desk if I'm at my job if I have a lot of work to do I'm not going to take out steak KN knife and a fork and get to it you know gra the fist

full of lunch meat you know you want it but my question is are we just the same evolutionary evolutionarily and we have the same wants and same needs as all of our ancestors and all of our future ancestors we all just want to eat carbs and salt and we're just sort of kicking the can down the road with new dietary Trends every couple decades and humans are just sort of doomed to eat ourselves to death wow that take got dark I thought this was a family program family gets dark sometimes I guess I guess I

could just see you know Lindsay the 8-year-old being like Mommy are we doomed to eat ourselves to death like no more Josh and Nicole's podcast no more of this um what you're saying resonates and it has a lot of Truth in it absolutely humans are largely the same that we were 100,000 years ago and 10,000 years ago and 10,000 is when agriculture started to kind of become thing slowly but surely and agriculture was the first time in which humans were able to industrialize the process of the production of food before that it was like you

found food in your environment in the literal sense of you stumbled upon it while searching for it voraciously hungry and so we have all these neural network subsystems in our brains that are designed to nearly instantly adjudicate whether or not a food is a good idea or bad idea to eat and it also grades it on how good of an idea it is to eat and so when we have foods that are hyper palatable and very high in calories today it's like an evolution something we've basically almost never seen it's like an extremely amazing thing

it's like if someone was to come up to you and say hey I have a mansion and trillions of dollars for you are you interested you'd be like who who says no to this thing I mean other than it being definitely a scam let's say it was like Elon Musk literally came down the real Elon Musk a press crew and they're like you want to sweep Stakes here you go you wouldn't be like oh well you know money doesn't buy happiness you know we're pretty wired to think yeah like value is a good thing and

just the same way we're we're wired for an ancestral environment of mostly pulsatile starvation and Plenty when there was plenty guess what you did with it you ate as much as you could so that you develop as much body fat as possible so when inevitably starvation was the next cycle maybe for days maybe for weeks maybe for months then you would had a high probability of survival so why we're in this environment now where capitalism and Industry have made food like I don't want to say free but mostly demonetized like U comparatively to all history

certainly yeah oh my God oh my God and so you know when in our nation and in almost every Modern Nation of the world the poorer you are statistically the more likely you are to suffer from obesity this is something that would can you imagine going back to Benjamin Franklin's time and explaining to him like you know our poor people are actually the fatter ones and he's just going to be like what how you're like well you see food basically costs almost nothing it's really weird but we have other problems he's like like what like

social media disagreements what and and that's just to say we really are out of our time you know we evolved on biological time scales the new paradigm of evolution is technological and Technology evolves orders of magnitudes faster but because technology evolves so fast we're in a hyper palatable food environment and we're sinking instead of swimming because it's really hard to resist all these super tasty super convenient Foods mostly because we want them like imagine if it was really bad for you physically to spend amazing time with your closest dearest friends family and children you'd be

like well okay some supposed to Res resist that like uh-huh like when Grandpa calls and he's like do you want to gather around the dinner table and share wonderful stories and the kids will be laughing like sorry Grandpa no can do it's bad for my health oh my God it would feel like someone is ripping a part of you away but that drive to be social is actually newer in evolution than the drive to consume calories starvation is a known entity from the time when we were just DNA fragments swimming in the soup it predates

everything fighting your ability to eat food that's delicious is just so an uphill of a battle it can't be exaggerated that being said technology adapts so quickly that it can help us get completely out of this entire mess and in the next probably 10 years will lift all of us entirely out of it and that transformation has already begun do we think it's only technology that can lift us out of it or is there any cultural uh play at this point because I I make fun of Italians a lot for having very hard and fast

rules about food right don't mix cheese with f do this but but but I think there is something uh within having these cultural norms around food it's the reason Starbucks is not in Italy because they would get run out of town because they have the cultural norm of going to their local coffee shop it's the reason that if you try and stand up and eat a meal in France people will shout you down because they're cultural the French are so you got to sit down they are but but I think something about these cultural norms

rooting people to some sort of behavior that is objectively healthy and also slightly at least slightly impervious to specifically American industry and capitalism as in Italy shutting Starbucks I think there's something to that but is that just like shooting BB guns at the tank of American industry putting a KFC into your town I think we should take over the whole world and install puppet KFC government Jesus Christ not the colonel Fried Chicken um no um you're totally right Josh the um it's a tough battle can cultural practices gain traction yes they have marginal effects yes

does hyper palatability adapt faster in the consumer environment than culture takes root or can even at maximum sustain itself Yeah by like a factor of 10 and so there are differences that you can instantiate right now into your own cultural practice that will 100% help you resist being you know over overwhelmed by this and there's an even more powerful tool in cultural practice it's called knowing what your body needs and nutrition and just not buying at the store the Dark Side of capitalism is like if you want it they're going to give it to you

and it could be toxic for you but you got dollars and they got the product the really wonderful thing about capitalism and very different from most other systems nobody forces you to do anything you know people will say the junk food industry is this crazy thing guys have you ever seen a junk food Pusher or a junk food dealer someone's like hey you going to try this Pepsi you're like well no sir with a with with a coach yeah see I've got it all he's got like Pepsis regular full sugar Pepsis on one side and

full fat cheit on the other and you're like I I went to school McGruff the crime dog told me I'm I shouldn't be talking to you but that does look does look tasty although I guess Cheez it's inside of a man's coat it's kind of like I don't know they're gonna get steamy in there but at the same time other other countries I think in fact most other countries in the world do have strong regulation against junk food marketing to say children which America doesn't so I think there are practices that we've let that do

I honestly don't understand that because children don't have purchasing power children don't have money it is illegal for children to acquire money because we have child labor laws which I think are very good laws because exploit exploitation of children Workforce is crazy but because we don't like that's the thing is Mom and Dad make the choice yeah and if the children are screaming about they want McDonald's guess what you can do Mom and Dad you just don't get a McDonald's because if your kids don't learn today that they don't get everything they scream about how

is college GNA work I mean my God probably not well I mean Gee right like at some point you got to grow up to the idea that there are things you want there are things you need and the intersection of those is contextual sometimes the intersection is like yep and sometimes it's like that's just not how this works and I do feel for parents that have a lot going on and the extra noise of their kids clamoring for McDonald's so sometimes it's just shuts them up and the thing is there's nothing wrong with a few

days a week taking your kids to McDonald's getting them happy they cany it's when it's happening three meals a day the I don't want to say excuses but the reasoning for that starts to become a little bit wacky and the advertising problem is well Mom and Dad you're you're the people going to the store you have a 100% purchasing power one of um my well gez my my my partner in crime co-founder of rpco Mr Nick Shaw he was messing around with his son he has little kids they're grow growing up now but a few

years back he was like hey buddy how much money do we have and the kid started speculating and he's like no you don't have any money I have the money mommy and I have the money I was hilarious but that's really the thing and so at the end of the day it's really tough to have a regulatory environment that prevents people from accessing what they want and what they're gonna buy anyway like there's one interesting fact in economics of this kind of thing which is that as you raise junk food prices the elasticity is actually

such that a lot of people just keep buying it even though it's more expensive and they complain that it's more expensive but they're still GNA buy obviously if you made Cheetos $1,000 dollar a pack no one would buy them anymore except Elon Musk or something but within normal boundary layers of what is politically feasible to regulate as far as price controls this stuff has very much less of an effect than you would think at the end of the day we're dealing with just brutal evolutionary Drive like this is how humans are wired and luckily the

way to fight those is through this is going to get creepy I am the evil mic of the two doct MES after all pharmacology now obviously education and determination to eat well are always going to work cultural factors are amazing um they need help they need help machine guns are cool little cannons are cool but when the main battle tanks roll up you're like all right now we're in the war the main battle tanks and the super fighter jets here are going to be pharmacology and eventually genetic engineering and that's going to be a huge

deal because with genetic engineering we're going to be able to modify ourselves to be more reflective of our modern environment instead of having to struggle desperately against an environment that just kind of left us behind you want to move off the grid go to commi and RAC some goats I've been telling you I want to do this for months that's the only move I think and now and now you tell me you want to do it well thanks for sparing us on Dr Mike are they going to be genetically engineered goats that you they're hyper

intelligent do that part you want to do that part 18 nipples on these goats the cheese will be incredible you know Nicole life gets busy sometimes but that doesn't mean you can't learn a new language that's right Josh and with Rosetta Stone you can fit language learning into your schedule on your desktop on your phone wherever you are Rosetta Stone's immersive method makes learning feel natural there are no English translations just real world language that actually sticks uh so I've actually started learning Spanish with stone I programmed it into my Sundays which is really nice

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smarter than me all right Nicole and Mike we've heard what you and I have to say now it's time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the universe it's time for a little segment we call opinions are like cassero [Music] all right first up we have she's making me say this at Lana Condor the number one fan of a hot dog is a sandwich has written and has written in keto isn't as healthy as people think Dr Mike what say you there's a lot of Truth in that keto is plenty

healthy if it's in a calorie controlled context and if you're eating mostly healthy foods you can eat very low carbohydrates and be very healthy the thing is it's that same thing we were talking about earlier people say I'm eating and it's this magic checkbox but for a lot of people the magic check box is like it's not just one check mark it's like three of the five or four they think keto is a Panacea so once I'm doing keto I just have to care about anything so you'll see them eating like well literal hot dogs

and dipping them into like cheese sauce and someone's like well I don't know much about nutrition but like that seems not like the best thing to eat and they're like no no it's okay I'm keto you're like okay well I I think keto says that carbohydrates are some kind of unique poison and they're not for some folks can keto be an excellent way to manage their hunger signaling and uh make sure they don't overeat absolutely and if you eat mostly healthy foods and get some greens in there for the vitamins and minerals keto's amazing but

is keto one of those things like you're just going to do it and it's going to be magical like it's not enough man you get rid of your carbs you've just gotten rid of your carbs and accomplished almost nothing outside of that were you carb phobic would you consider yourself carb phobic I I think we have all I think we all have internalized carb phobia especially growing up in Orange County and literally a soccer mom in a yellow H2 Hummer after a after a basketball game drove us through the In-N-Out drive-thru and she ordered a

a 4x4 uh protein style and looked at me like a 9-year-old and said a fat nine-year-old by the way and just said the Bun's the only bad part for you yeah she had a Southern accent in Orange County because they're just kind of like so Republican that they talk like they're Southern um excellent but yeah but that's that's the thing that I think we all grew up with in our era yeah um I don't know I feel like whenever I was doing keto I was what was it I would say I'm keto but I drink

which was yes isn't that great it was great um it did help me like you said surprisingly it helped me realize what hunger was which I wasn't aware of before I was doing it so I don't think it's quote unquote healthy but for someone who you know is in the food industry and is constantly surrounded by the most ridiculous crazy Foods literally our tagline of mythical kitchen his dreams become food literally the Disneyland of food is where we work I think doing keto made realize of course it made me realize what hungry Nicole and satiated

Nicole was so it helped me a lot but I will agree that it's not necessarily the healthiest thing if you're eating cheese and bacon and hot dogs every day you're going to have a bad time but if you know you're incorporate like you said your veggies and your your proteins and a little bit of fat and avocado every now and then yes I loved it when I was doing it I really did to me that's any diet right like I've known people who are who are are jacked and fit who are keto who are vegetarian

who eat eight times a day who eat one time a day and I think anytime you change a stimulus and do keto lean gains diet God that's a throwback uh paleo any of these when you change the stimulus on your normal diet of I'm just eating whatever you learn what it actually means think about your food so I think any of these diet could had that same effect for you I totally agree you yeah that's very well put I have another opinion here um guttin says everyone is obsessed with protein when they should be obsessed

with fiber this is resident fiber dad Noah guttin we love them oh you know obsessions are maybe worse than casseroles so fiber is awesome and it's super healthy and it's amazing because a lot of the high fiber foods like whole Wheats veggies and fruits come stock not just with fiber which is awesome but with tons of vitamins minerals phytochemicals which are certain kind of plant chemicals that are really good for you and they're really very filling for very few calories and very satiating for a long period of time so if you're getting your fiber through

those Foods I think a little Junior League fiber obsession is a wonderful thing if you're coming home every day with a can of metal muel and a can of You Know Jack Daniels and getting to getting to work on getting through that can one way or another then um GE whiz you know fibers like protein at a certain level you've had enough and unlike protein when you have a lot a lot of fiber the digestive situation becomes you guys familiar with the term gastric motility like how speedily things are going through your GI track I

can like kind of pick out the words and what they mean yeah yeah imagine imagine those commercials for like a Drano where they show the the visualization of the clogged pipe and the Drano makes it all sparkly clean well fibers is like super Drano and at some point guess what happens to the Drano goes out the other end and so if you over fiber you can actually experience bloating farting pooping which scares people who are sitting in stalls next to you because they think World War III began you got to do it with headphones so

you don't hear the noise that's what I do you just have like classical music on and everyone else is terrible um that's how I do it so fiber I think is is almost exactly like protein now to the gentleman's Point who commented that more people should get more fiber and if it's through whole Foods I think that's wonderful but Obsession G was you know maybe we have too many obsessions nowadays and not enough concerted efforts to do better but that's just me being an old chromogen man and shooting people's dreams down do you remember the

Tik Tok Trend quote internal shower where people drink a bunch of chia SE this is the thing that well I know it from from the girl that did the protocol with the Cabbage water that's what she called do you know what I'm talking about the Dr Phil lady no she would make a cabbage solution out of cabbage salt and water and she would call it internal yeah she would literally feed people sauerkraut and it would make internal showers the one that I saw was just a ton of chia seeds which are just loaded with fiber

and then people would just get massive diarrhea and they called it internal shower which is way grosser than gastric motility um anyways they had the uh USDA I think had to like put out or the Department of Health had to put out a warning like please don't do this yeah I I like fiber I mean listen do I take eat an apple eat some blueberries do I take more fiber supplements than do like protein supplements no like I have more protein shakes than I do a Ben of fiber but I still like sometimes have a

Ben of fiber just so like remind or like a or like an apple Mike you're watching me transform into the old kerin in real time because my solution for almost everything is if if you could just be 40% more normal about everything that would be really really cool I think that' be really really cool uh well that's our time Dr Mike man I cannot thank you enough for coming on the show this is an absolute pleasure so much you were great thank you so much guys this is a wonderful experience uh where can people find

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