“Security Is An Illusion” Ethical Hacker Exposes Child Predators & Tools To Protect Against Hackers

we'll we'll search over 150 billion records that include you know password Social Security numbers credit cards addresses even private messages on websites you name it and they said they'll come by tomorrow and we want that data we want to investigate it I was like okay you know what I'm going to take this into my own hands somebody's out there that's as good of a hacker as you and if they really wanted to get any information on you could they get it I think that security is an illusion you're trying to avoid making enemies is what

you're trying to do you know I'm making enemies all the time can you can write custom software onto them that does bad things which I'll show you more about in a second and now I just captured their credentials and they have no idea that it even happened that I was able to confirm that that a lot of them on like they weren't fantasizing pretending to be kids they were actual children on this website and we could do it right now okay Rob go to tea yeah just type Hi and then wait for the private messages

to come in on the top this might get graphic who knows wow what happened I'm already getting DMS sir ridiculous and all you said was high oh jeez what's this one say I would say 30,000 in a day at 12 or 13 years old so back then it was like the wild west so my whole life was consumed by you know heroin very quickly inside of this is a Wi-Fi chip a mini computer and this thing emulates a keyboard and can type at 860 characters per second so we've caught teachers police officers yeah yeah yeah

we've caught I caught a teacher um here's here's that crazy one sory I know this life for me why would you bet on Goliath when we got bet David value taming giving values contagious this world are entrepreneurs we get no value to haters run homie look I become I'm the one okay so my guest today you may not know the name but the moment you hear him speak and you hear what he has to say you're going to say I know exactly who he is I've seen him all over the place ethical hacker and for

those of you that are parents I got four kids I don't know how many kids you got but this is one of those things that you have to pay very very close attention to today and by the way aside from being a parent if you're somebody that runs a business if you're somebody that's worried about somebody getting the key fob that you have that enters into your garage or your building you're like no one's going to find out how to do that he's got equipment here he when he walked in our guy who deals with

our servers he says look man whatever you do be nice to us while you're here in the building anyways haven't said that the one and only Ryan Montgomery how are you I am great thank you for that awesome introduction and I am super grateful to be here so again I think I'm more excited to have you than anything else cuz I've seen a lot of your material and especially with a lot of things going on today I remember 6 years ago at my one of these Insurance conferences I was a part of it was the

first time I heard every insurance carrier all they talked about was cyber security do you have cyber security Insurance cyber SEC you guys never talked about this last year do you have cyber security cyber SEC did you hear about that one insurance company that was hacked and they got 2 million Social Security numbers that all this stuff that they were obviously we heard what happened two weeks ago oh yeah I have a lot to say about that I want to hear about that as well but one for the audience that maybe doesn't know the background

what caused you to want to become a hacker so to become a hacker um outside of the child safety thing was actually a pretty um pretty basic story but I remember it like it was yesterday so I was probably around 9 years old when I first got access to a computer my grandfather worked for a cemetery and I guess they gave uh they gave him a desktop computer it was a it was a monster of a a machine like you know just in size not in speed by any means but um I didn't know what

it was I was very young and I if you if you remember some of the people watching will remember AOL used to send these these floppy drives in the mail the floppy discs in the mail that would have trials for AOL dialup internet and I saw that the that the the floppy Drive had a specific shape to it as well as the desktop computer where you put the floppy in had a little icon there that looked like that disc and I took it out of the free trial um case and I put it in there

cuz it it looked like it was supposed to go there and I saw the AOL logo come from a piece of cardboard onto a screen and I remember that like it just happened yesterday and I it blew my mind it was like a miracle that I couldn't understand how something in the real world could show up on a screen and I had control over it you're 9 years old at the how old are you right now 31 so 22 years ago yeah yeah yeah approximately yeah I mean give or take give or take a year

but um you know that that you know that doesn't make you a hacker but that got my interest peaked in Compu computers and and very young age I was helping people fix their computers learning about computers and you know from there that turned into how does this work and how do I make it do something it wasn't intended to do in the first place that's it that's how it started so now your brain so it starts there but then it's like what if I can do this and what if I can do this and what

if I can do this or is it more like what else can it do what else can it do which which direction were you going so it it's it's manipulating something to do something manipulating something to do something it wasn't intended to do that's that's basically the definition of hacking that could be with anything doesn't have to be a computer uh I think it's a mindset that you either have or you don't have as for the you know the technical specifics they can be applied later but I think the mindset really helps um you know

there there's a lot more to the story of how you know I came up in the hacking community and how I learned the methodologies learned how to find vulnerabilities and things you know which which I can go into that if you'd like sure absolutely so yeah I I I can it I we'd be here 6 hours explaining all of it but you know if if anyone remembers AOL Instant Messenger there was called aim there was also something called IRC which is a Internet relay chat which you know is ancient but it was that's how people

communicated back then online and I was part of a lot of groups where there were a lot of hackers um I all I knew them by were screen names I didn't have their real names for the most part you know most of them would just go by an alias and that so would I they didn't realize I I was a little boy and I don't know if they were little boys as well or they were you know grown men I have no idea but the you know I guess the Curiosity in me and me being

one of the kids that always just say why to everything over and over and over everything was why why why why why um I was I was blessed to have uh a group of people that were willing to Mentor me and teach me the things that were so interesting so when I sell something get hacked or I seen a vulnerability and let's just say AOL Instant Messenger I would have a group of people that would be more than happy to teach me how they did that and then I would recreate it myself and I'd get

that same Adrenaline Rush um which which I is is like addictive to say the least um which then went on to to more things I mean if you want to get into that I will um that turned into uh to me later on in life I would say maybe 12 13 years old joining a uh a hacking group uh or affiliate marketer slacking group called digital gangster and if you do some research into digital gangster you'll see there's a lot of uh a lot of celebrities and companies that were hacked by uh by The Forum

and the and the members on it one of them being YT cracker or Bryce case is his name he hacked NASA and many other uh government agencies um I became an administrator of the website digital gangster which was full of hackers and marketers kind of a combination of both so back then it was like the wild west you could send you know let's say siie weight loss berries they were paying you know $9 per sale um they would give you a unique URL you would send that URL out to let's just say a million people

because there weren no there wasn't a junk mailbox there wasn't spam filters um and then you would just start randomly mailing hundreds of thousands or a million people and collect your commissions from these affiliate networks so we would combine hacking methodology and affiliate marketing and uh that was kind of the the short version of what digital gangster was oh wow so H so affiliate marketing Plus hacking combined and you said 9 cents so if you send out 1 million what was the conversion ratio no no it would like $9 per sale n $9 per sale

yeah a lot of times people would be paying for you know like an annual subscription to the to I'm just using SI weight loss berries as an example but you could pick any product that would be on a network which I say are you talking about manavi or who who what company are you talking about uh I don't even know I mean like when you when you sign into an affiliate Network you'll have like business opportunities uh dating websites weight loss pills um you know any product that that the affiliate network is is offering got

it and then uh uh you would send the email and if they buy it you're getting a commission on it yes and the the commission structure would be set up differently depending on what you're what you're doing so what's the most money you ever made on one of these affiliate marketing email campaigns um without going into the specific details of what and how um I would say 30,000 in a day at 12 or 13 years old 13 yeah so when it's happening at 13 years old what money is that what what account is that money

going into so there is I had a PayPal account that got banned um and then my mom's got it so what's Mom saying the first time you see 30,000 in them is she like honey let's do it again or she like what are you doing what are you up to so my mom my mom has always been like a friend to me but she's still my mother at the end of the day you know she's she's my she I love my mom to death and uh my mom has questioned everything I've ever done but always

always always my back you know she'll she'll ask me a million questions but she be very supportive um she knows that I have a good heart she knows I would never you know try to hurt anybody in any any type of way so I don't think that the I can't remember the conversation verbatim of of how that all went but um yeah it's uh she she was fully aware of the of the now the that the people that hired you a digital gangster do they know how old you are or they don't know yet because

at the time when they're hiring you're not necessarily putting your age so digital ganger you didn't have to be hired it was a forum that anybody could join um and then you know you would you could be like I said you could use an alias you could you could use your real name you could use whatever you wanted um I joined there as under an alias and uh and then earned my way up the ranks without anyone actually knowing who I was so no nobody really knew how were you getting the Emos to do the

campaigns well you could you could just brute force them or you could like meaning like a3c or you could uh the way that I was doing it was I had a name generator so I would do like you know John 1 blank.com and then or John Smith 2 blank.com so just generate a list of first names and last names for men and women and then um and then append a number usually at the end of it and just ship out as many emails as possible that was just one of the many ways we're marketing but

like I said hacking and and affiliate marketing or spamming for other words um kind of went hand inand with what digital gangster did it's but digital gangster was not a company it was just a just a a forum where people talked and hung out so what did you do after that so now you're starting to realize okay I think there's something here that I can make money with you're 12 you're 13 years old what comes next so I I was in the marketing world for a while um I got into some you know I would

say some gray areas or some black hat areas because there there weren't um like cyber secur cyber security training platforms like there are now there like not a ton of learning material out there you couldn't really go to school for it I think the only schooling you could could go if you were an adult or even graduated high school for that matter was computer science uh now is a completely different story so when I'm learning from people I'm learning how to do things the wrong way um and being a young dumb kid that was you

know I that's a whole story I think we should get into of my past to you know making bad decisions as a kid um I wasn't I wasn't the best kid in the world you know I I didn't hurt anybody physically or anything like that but um but I definitely definitely made an impact and regret some of the decisions I made at a young age what were some of the decisions you made well I guess let me let me preface it with uh with starting to use drugs at a young age so I haven't done

drugs since I was 17 years old I'm 31 now so mostly I got it out of my system early you know like I think I think I started dabbling at 11 12 years old and then I stopped I remember the exact day when I when I was 17 I I'm not in recovery I'm not in AA or na or anything like that I just not to drink I don't I don't uh I don't smoke weed I don't do any I don't just don't do any drugs but um that was by by complete choice so I

you know when I was younger uh I guess let me so I'll start I'll start off with the Rave scene so are are you familiar with Raves of course so a lot a lot of the younger crowd doesn't know what a rave is they just know about these new EDM and electronic music festivals and are you from here or where you originally from I'm right from right outside of Philadelphia okay in got it so I I uh was a huge into the Rave scene at such a young age and I would sneak out of my

house in the middle of the night I would take a bus to you know Philadelphia and I remember one that I used to go to was called God's basement and it was in the basement of a church and for whatever reason yeah so for whatever reason this church was allowing uh a rave you know to to run out that God basement God's what a name for a night Club it's an barely a nightclub this we're talking like we're talking this is it was it was you know disgusting easy County like C you know everybody's rolling

drinking water massaging the whole night ecstasy ketamine cocaine um weed alcohol even even I even saw mescalin I remember which is I don't think I ever saw again outside of there but yeah you might be able to find God's basement on online um and this is Philadelphia yeah and the room probably had two 300 people in it and it's it's about you know if I had to taken approximately like 2,000 square ft is this it um yeah yeah this is it Rob can you raise the audio we can't hear it I can't believe you found

this during the week it's a school cafeteria on weekends it's sometimes party central for ravers when we went Undercover on a recent Friday we found drugs alcohol and underage teams we are so horrified if you guys could close this place down we would be more than grateful parents and staff of the Global Leadership Academy Charter School were ready to protest and block the doors tonight to prevent a pimpson ho party scheduled here West Philadelphia schol party in the school says compl for months to the church you can pause this Rob we got the idea okay

so God's basement so God's basement yeah me you know 12 13 years old walking around this place with you know at 13 12 13 you're going here yeah and let me let me just show you I I would like this to stay off camera but let me just show you what I look like so you get a better idea of why they even let me in the doors which as obviously it was an illegal party but you can see by my the way that I looked all messed up on drugs um you know I don't

think they were going to question me you totally tell by the eyes man you are yeah I was 16 in that picture you're 16 here 16 there yeah but I didn't look much different you know much different when I when I was on you know 13 years old doing heroin so I didn't get to that point yet but um at 13 you're doing heroin yeah yeah yeah so so God's basement is one of many Raves I went to in Philadelphia and where it started was ecstasy so somebody gave me ecstasy I loved it I thought

it was the greatest thing to ever to ever be created um and I would take ecstasy as often as I could whether that be multiple times a week or if I could however many Raves there were in Philly uh they weren't out usually not outside of's the most you took on one night um I'm not sure because ecstasy is so it's variable in the dosages so like I mean definitely multiple pills but once you get to a certain point with ecstasy and not advising anybody try it um but uh once you get to a certain

point you don't feel it anymore it doesn't do anything you think your brain just runs out of the you know your natural your natural H happy chemicals um but yeah so I continue to do ecstasy and I really really liked it but that was my main drug of choice like most people start with weed or drinking or whatever went straight to it straight to ambitious yeah yeah yeah and I uh and I love this but but the one night I was at God's basement actually thinking back and somebody I was complaining about the come down

feeling so when you know it's a it's considered a stimulant um so when you're coming down from it you start to feel bad and these things go till 5 6 7 o'clock in the morning so the sun's coming up you feel absolutely horrible um and somebody said to me hey you can take one of these uh perk 30s which is an oxy it's actually they're not actually perket but it's an oxycodone 30 mgram pills and it'll make you feel better which at that point I've never taking taken any painkillers I took uh a perk 30

it got rid of that come down feeling completely from the Ecstasy and that so that way I I didn't go right to them immediately but I kept taking ecstasy and then trying to find any opiate that I could uh not heroin at this point but any any uh opiate that I could to come down from the Ecstasy and then I found out that I was starting to like the opiates better than I like the Ecstasy and that's when it became a problem because I was taking the opiates before I even got to the Raves and

I didn't have any energy really to be partying at a rave or doing anything at a rave and you know those pills were expensive back then like a you know I I was a young kid and yeah I did well in certain areas with marketing but I wasn't you know I couldn't every day wasn't that good you know I didn't grow up in a great area with with a ton of money or anything like that and um you know what happens is you're paying $30 a pill approximately unless you buy wholesale uh and wholesale you're

going to pay from 17 to 25 and I'm talking a long time ago now people from what I'm being told if you can find a real pill we can talk about the fentanyl crisis if you want but if you can find a real 30 mgram oxycodone it'd be $60 a pill on average so I couldn't afford it back then when it was $30 a pill uh and then you have to take multiple day to even you know keep yourself from getting sick going through withdraw and then I'm I remember I was in Trenton New Jersey

and I was uh I was out staying at a friend's house who did not know my real age as well and I uh I was offered heroin so I I you know I never tried it before it for some reason was not as scary as it would sound to me I just I guess I was so messed up and so sick and just wasn't thinking properly and a young kid and you know brain not fully developed um and then this guy comes up you know comes up to me in the house with with a I

remember it was a CD case and a line of heroin on it I snorted one line of heroin out of the bag I don't know if it was a full bag or half a bag I don't know but a bag of heroin is $10 uh you know me taking multiple perk 30s a day uh let's say 60 to 100 plus dollars a day and sometimes even more to go from that to $10 is now making me feel better um and snorting it uh was was a no-brainer for me I can I canot be sick I

can do this it makes me feel exactly the same except for a little maybe rush in the beginning but I was more worried about not being sick uh so my whole life was consumed by you know heroin very quickly and the same problem happens so $10 a bag turns into you're buying bundles which is you know usually from 10 to 14 bags and they would sell for about $75 so you'd get you'd get you know bundles of heroin for I I mean a deal if you want to call it a deal and you know now

you're doing a bundle a day and you're you're stuck and you can't snort that much powder just won't fit in your nose literally like no exaggeration so then you end up using needles so I ended up as a 13 14y old kid injecting heroin and went back to shooting one two bags at a time and the feeling would go away which then reduced the amount of money I had to spend but then ended up in the same problem you can only inject so much without like you can only fit so much in a needle until

you have to keep hitting yourself every couple hours without getting sick um and then it just it just became an absolute catastrophe for not only me but but everyone around me my mom uh my grandma my grandpa everybody that cared about me and um I'm very you know I the biggest my biggest regret is uh is is that how many people that you know I worried and hurt and and caused you know whatever whatever Financial harm it was on the on the hacking side of things as well as the uh as well as the court

cost of just getting in trouble as a stupid kid with drugs but uh thankfully never hurt anybody physically never had any violent crimes um never got in any trouble behind the wheel of a car um with drugs it was all just drug offenses and stupid minor petty theft things as a kid do you ever have a close call of uh killing yourself or no so no no but I do have a story um that I talked about before on a different podcast but I'd like to bring up again because it was something that was very

important to me and uh I we can kind of segue into uh to this if you want but um the the fet no crisis out there is really bad so if if you did any uh I don't know did you research me at all or you said you watch I watch God knows how much content on you hours well I appreciate that very much so I owned three mental health substance use they changed substance abuse to substance use so three mental health substance use facilities and um is that why I don't want to say the

city is that why why you moved to where you moved to cuz it's known for that yeah so so the reason why I moved on to Florida was was to start a treatment facility that was the main reason and uh I I I originally just started one that had Ina you know partial hospitalization uh outpatient and then outpatients three different levels of care and then I opened a detox which is considered an inpatient level of care with residential which is so so it was five different levels of care and then three different locations um I

had over 120 employes at the end of it and uh we I believe it was 144 beds give or take depending on what we wanted to fill the rooms uh if we wanted one bed per room or two beds per room so I mean I don't mind saying the the facility's name but it it was called boo Recovery Center which it still exists I live in Florida people know that and uh I'm not not hiding or anything um yeah but yeah so one of the main reasons why I yeah so this is this is the

new website um I don't think you'd find me on it now but if you looked up an article like Ryan Montgomery Boer Recovery Center you'd find some articles um from back then so you you founded this and you grew it from zero to 120 employees yeah so I was the founder and CEO I had a business partner as well who um who got me into the industry because I going back to the marketing what I was able to do from Pennsylvania I started a marketing company where I was sending is do you are you familiar

with patient brokering no so it's a felony and it's a it's a crime to pay per person to go into to refer a patient into a rehab or or a healthare facility so uh the way that I was able to generate leads and I wanted to be compassionate about this because I went through it myself I have a lot of family and friends that went through it myself and I'll get into that story after but I started a company on my own where I was generating leads for people that wanted treatment uh that had Private

health insurance that where they could leave leave the state they would have out of network benefits and um I was a you know the average at the time of me starting uh Boer Recovery Center the average cost per acquisition if you want to call it that to get a patient in the door uh With Private health insurance with around $3,000 for the facility I was doing it for about $1,800 which was kind of unheard of to the to the uh the rehab industry the treatment marketers in Florida that were patient brokering would give the clients

or the patients they would sometimes offer them money to go to treatment they you know if they didn't meet medical necessity by the insurance company they would try to get them drunk or high so that they would so that they would get paid out for getting them admitted into the facility and that turned into an absolute disaster if you can imagine you know you take somebody in a vulnerable position that you know just wants to get clean or their family even if they don't want to if their family wants them to get clean and you

say hey I'll give you you know $1,500 to go into rehab and uh the detox then gets denied by the insurance company so the the treatment marketer takes them back out they bring them to a bar gets them wasted or or high and brings them back um they could kill the person they could take advantage of them sexually which has happened you know if you look up Kenny Chapman he he got I think it was a 27e sentence correct me if I'm wrong for a ridiculous amount of sexual assault uh on on these these patients

it it was just absolutely sickening so I wanted to have a facility owner uh on wednes court from divided Chapman's uh family Middlebrook gave Chapman a 27 and A2 year sentence for crimes that villafana said were never before seen in a federal court turning his patients into prostitutes is is that is an absolute scumbag and that's in Florida that's in Florida yeah wow and you met this guy you did business with him never did business with anyone like this so that that's why I wanted to kind of give you the rundown of of how this

all happened so when I lived in Pennsylvania I had that marketing company but I never actually talked to the patients myself I made sure that they went through an online quiz is basically what I did CU I wanted to make sure they met the criteria like I don't want to send some innocent girl that has an eating disorder and maybe she drinks on the weekends to some facility that she that she doesn't qualify for she you know just because I'm going to get paid more money um so the way that I structured it was I

created this quiz you answered a bunch of questions it would give you a number to call that number would then go to one of the facilities I had a contract with um that I trusted that I knew would would help the person out to the best of my knowledge at that time and um they would pay me a flat fee so I would know in the beginning of the month I'm 100% going to get this amount of money no nothing more nothing less and uh and that avoided the whole patient brokering thing it avoided me

having to get involved with these treatment marketers and uh and you know I I I was making money for these facilities and I felt good that was getting people into treatment but the business partner at that time uh his name was uh Christopher Ferry Chris fer him yeah okay yeah so this was this guy um I had a contract with with another facility called Holistics by the Sea which I think exists still but I wasn't really a part of that really um he was an owner of that facility at one point or or his family

was or some of some degree um I'm not sure the actual specifics on it but I know he had something to do with it because I had a contract with them and it was a flat fee that uh that they would pay me every month and uh Chris he he's you know he's an intelligent guy so he he sends me a a text message or a face no no it was a text message I didn't answer and then he facetimes me and um I'm in Pennsylvania at this time and he knows I'm I'm doing well

I'm killing it with the the treatment marketing ads and he's like hey you won't come to Florida right now like just joking with me on FaceTime 3 hours later I'm on a plane I call him when I'm at the Fort lauderale airport and I'm like hey man I'm here and he drives to the for Lauderdale Airport picks me up I stayed with him for 3 months at his house and uh we became very close with each other uh I I flew back to Pennsylvania I got all my stuff in a U-Haul I packed up my

car on a trailer I drove to Florida and I never came back what year was that that would have been 9 years ago okay got it yeah yeah so at that point I lived with him for a little bit as we as we uh he sold his shares in Holistics I believe he sold his shares I'm not sure how that whole process worked that you'd have to ask him that but uh I know that when we got involved with Boer Recovery Center uh together um he uh you know we we were in it together it

was just us we didn't have any um we we we had a small Equity owner but that was for just Logistics and uh you guys both sell it so now you've sold the business he he's still uh he's the CEO and founder or on the site yeah yeah yeah he's still around um still still going hard he actually opened a fourth facility now um but yeah I sold it a couple years back now and there's a cool story with that as well which I keep skipping the main point but uh the the cool story with

uh with how I ended up doing what I'm doing now um is there's the the electronic medical record platform Zen charts um which the site's gone now but if you Google it you'll find out uh you'll see the logo for it yeah the the website just went down so maybe the LinkedIn yeah okay so I I can explain what Zen charts is but so Zen charts is a is a medical record platform like if you go to your doctor you know they ask you a bunch of questions you see them typing in notes on the

medical record it's exactly that just for mental health and substance use facilities so I happen to use Zen charts at boa Recovery Center at the time and the uh the owner's actually sitting out in your green room but um yeah so so uh the owner at that time so they came to come train my clinicians on how to use zencharts and I'm sitting in the room with them and they thought that I was an employee of the facility cuz I was I was like 22 years old or something 23 at at the most and uh

and you know once they found out I was owner you know we talked and we you know we got a long well but we you know I didn't really know them that well and the guy that's sitting out in your green green room right now would be you know even interesting to ask his opinion on it but um he uh he so he uh paid $40,000 for a penetration test which is just paying a group to try to hack your company and give you a report on what's vulnerable he just did that prior to doing

the training for my rehab and I said do you mind if I take a look around like you know just trying to get permission cuz I don't want to get in trouble or break the law or anything like that so he he he says yes and uh and he he says it like cocky in a cocky way like like he's like you know I'm not what can you do about it right right so he gets in his car and before he even gets back to the zencharts office my face was on support. Zen charts.com it

was just my face so so when he uh so when he you know when we when we're my company is pentester decom um and when we're doing our when we're trying to sell our manual pentest he brings up that story because even if you spend $40,000 for the best of the best if they're doing that you know in in his case it was the checkbox approach um it's it's sometimes not enough you know like what kind of what we do outside of like I'm not trying to promote my company I just want to expl this

is relevant to everything else we're going to talk about um what we do is we we try to emulate what the adversaries would do we try to emulate what an attacker would do not just check off this box that one and that one and that one and Skip all of the rest um we we try to do that so so Rick uses that story Rick Rick Glasser who's uh who was one of the owners of zencharts uh when trying to make sales for pentester so I just looked at the article USA Today national public data

confirms massive data breach included Social Security numbers and you guys are I believe quoted in here in this article with USA Today about what pentester does so talk about social security so we had all these Social Security numbers being you know uh leaked and it said Social Security numbers names addresses email addresses phone numbers were in the 2.9 billion records within a datab breed security firm pentester tells tool tells you if your data is involved or not so yes to the average person what does pent pentester do so in this case we did something very

uh we did something different so almost every single article is going to be referencing that site npd.com which stands for national public data so what we did was was is we we were able to access a list that was for sale for $3.5 million in April and a hacking group took it from a company called national public data which is a crazy story do you know anything about this so the person that was running that website is I think his name is Salvador but he was a Florida Sheriff you can look him up and he

um he somehow someway got 2.9 approximately three billion records um that include your first name last name uh address phone numbers and social security number for um pretty much every single American alive and deceased because you know we're not our population is not even close to the three billion that's a third of yeah a third of the planet I believe um so when I was looking up you know my mom I was seeing addresses when she was a teenager uh but the guy that owned the website um and maybe you'll find his name but he

um he he the reason do do you want me to go into how he got compromised or more about the okay so the reason why he got compromised was there was a secondary website that used the exact same login that and they must have been either sharing a server or just had the same the same technology and they had a default password so default password attacks are so common it's unbelievable like somebody leaving the same password on the router or leaving the same password on the device when they buy it or website that just gets

set up it says maybe your password is password one 123 um and then if you Google um you know let's say Cisco default password um you'll see the default password so this guy he creates a a background check company called national public data gets clearance who knows how for all of that data with all the social security numbers and leaves the default password which was I believe six digits long and uh on a on a mirror website that mirrored national public data so that attackers used that same credential as an administrator to log in and

then extrapolate all of the data what mhm it was as simple as a credential reuse vulnerability and uh and then pentester what we do is we like you saw when you looked it up you you can put your email in there so you put in your email I would recommend using your primary email uh or maybe sometimes even an older one you should check them all honestly uh on the free scan as well as the paid version but um this this is different than the than the main page but the main you know we we'll

we'll search over 150 billion records that include you know password social Security numbers credit cards addresses even private messages on websites you name it anything that's been leaked on the dark web so for $9 we we show you all of that data we show you every social media account every profile that's associated with your emails and phone numbers and that includes for your kids too so to know if your kids are signed up for Instagram and all the other apps if if you know you want to confirm it you can easily add them in there

safely and securely pay five bucks extra per family member or kid and uh you know you'll you'll be able to see what what you know all of their data but it's super important to know which passwords are out there and breached for this exact reason because our entire country got breached you know three billion records the largest breach I've ever seen in my life and probably the most impactful I've ever seen in my life happened in the last uh you know I would say week and week and a half um six days straight now we've

been dealing with about 30 to 50,000 users on our website per minute um I have an interesting screenshot I 30 to 50,000 per minute check this screenshot out it's been unbelievable and we do not I can I'll say this on here we don't have the support team to handle the amount of traffic we're getting but we're we are growing and adapting quick look at this number right here every blue every single Blue Bar there is a single minute are you joking how Wild is that oh but most of it is in US you see all

us yeah Canada UK Mexico because us is the one that's oh my God right and that's 35,000 paying 19 bucks no no no that's 35,000 people at that just with the screenshot that I took 35,000 people at one time using npd.com which then when they're finished searching there they go to the main pentester website which allows you to search your email and then that'll tell you your passwords your address maybe you're social uh your relatives all kinds of information and then from there you choose remove my data or you know whatever whatever uh how do

you do though now that it's public and the guy has it how do you remove your data so you cannot remove data from the dark web but you can remove data from data Brokers which is is huge the best way to remove data for in our eyes is for you to change your passwords because you can't remove it from the dark web you can't remove it from people's computers after they download these databases um and uh I don't know of a better way to explain that because a lot of people don't understand that like we

don't have control over deleting data off of people's computers that downloaded it themselves um we do have control over uh some of the data Brokers because they are required to remove your data um so what we do is we take your first name your last name your date of birth um and you know as many identifiers as you're willing to give us and then we send a uh a query on on your behalf to all of these major data Brokers that and if you don't know what a data broker is it's just somebody like for

example white pages that would store your your personal information including your family's information phone numbers everything for you know just a Google a name and a state you'll find yourself um we remove that data for you all you have to do is just sit back and wait refresh the page every couple days how many removals are in progress how many have been removed and then as you're doing that you can scroll down the page you'll see all the social profiles associated with your email and phone number and name and then underneath of that you have

all of your your passwords and and everything else that's out there so you get a really good idea of what your digital footprint is uh for 19 bucks and you really can't beat that in my opinion there's nothing else like it like it's uh we genuinely don't even have competition because we have a combination of data broker removal and the largest breach database in the world so it's it's just kind of unmatched and I'm who else is doing what you're doing right now who else does that there's not a single competitor there's not a single

competitor no not so how many people have already done the $19 with you I I don't think I should say but we're we're doing well can I is it over a million or less than a million um less than a million pay 19 yeah and it's one time it's not like I'm running my credit every time it's just one time I do it so your credit is not being around ever no no I get that what I'm saying is like a credit test when I run it this thing I'm just doing it one time no

so that that it's important to keep it on so there's two reasons why so data Brokers for the most part will reindex your data every 90 days and we will go in there automatically to see if it comes back up and we'll let you know that your data is back and we're removing it again so you're going to you're going to keep it for that reason alone and then secondly if a new password gets breached let's say yours gets breached in the next 10 minutes you're going to want to get that email saying hey your

password's out there um and you're going to get that before Google Chrome gives it to you or anyone somebody if somebody's out there that's as good of a hacker as you and if they really wanted to get any information on you could they get it I think the internet's an honor System you know I think uh I think that you're I think that security is an illusion that's exactly what I'm saying so at the end of the day there's a part of it that is an illusion so if a if a person at the level

of hacking as you wanted to find that you're social ruin your credit destroy your life could they do it and they're they're not an ethical hacker they're an unethical H hacker could they destroy your life if they wanted to destroy my life or anyone's life your life specifically oh I mean they they've been ATT like no matter what I do people have been attacking me for a year and a half now I'm trying to do you know good things you I'm not not doing anything wrong that you know I'm I'm trying to do the best

possible things that I can think of you know that I'm capable of at least and people are still coming after me I'm having my entire credit report was published online my uh you know I I've had I've had pizzas showing up in my house constantly craigsl ad sing saying that I'm giving away free stuff I've had you know almost almost everything you can imagine I don't want to give these guys too much credit but people even threatening my my grandmother on the phone multiple times you know it's been yeah I mean anybody anybody's vulnerable is

is it a is it a is it like a challenge when somebody is a hacker they say okay I'm going to other hackers wanted to come out and take you out to say like I'm a better hacker than you are is there that competitive within the community or no yeah so that's exactly what's going on it's it's usually younger kids the younger you can tell by the way they talk that they're young and they just want to make a name forsel and brag to their friends like oh I just hacked zero day which is the

Alias that people know me by online um and really like they just look like a like an ihole you know like they're uh they're like I I I'm the wrong guy like just not not because I'm going to try to do something back but because like I I just you know I just want to be I want to live in peace P I want to help people uh you know I I just don't understand it but hey kids will be kids I mean I get it I understand that part so let's go through a couple

different things okay with regards to hacking so walk me through the most basic thing so Wi-Fi right we go to a lot of different places you can use Wi-Fi what what tools do you have to be able to get any kind of information you can through using people's Wi-Fi so there is so much you can do with Wi-Fi so do you want to know about password cracking or um give me any of it from the lowest to the highest okay so I would say I would say you know the lowest would be using a weak

password or your phone number as your Wi-Fi password and you may think using your phone number is is uh not something people commonly do I see it all of the time uh and and in short to to to hack a Wi-Fi network um at least for wp2 which is the saving all the technical details you need what's called a four-way hand shake so what I need to do is I would send what's called a deauthentication packet which is just telling your devices disconnect from WiFi that's what that's what that means so your your device whatever

that uh tablet is is going to say okay fine I'll disconnect so it disconnects and then I'm listening on my side for it to reconnect and in that process I'm going to capture that handshake so I'll take that handshake which is just a file I'll bring that home with me I could now like I could take that from your studio let's say and then go home and I have your handshake to try to crack later and what I mean by crack is I put that handshake file into the computer and I have a huge list

of words and passwords and frequently used things like frequently used passwords and you know like it's called a word list I'm trying to simplify this but um and and and one of them is phone numbers so let's say you have uh in Florida you would be 954 516 uh you know 305 uh I have word lists that have every single phone number in this Florida and when you are cracking a Wi-Fi password offline it's extremely fast so I could run through every single phone number in the State of Florida in maybe 10 15 seconds so

if you use your password uh if I'm sorry if you use a phone number as your password it's as simple as me taking 10 or 15 seconds to crack it um but the one the one caveat is I have to be physically within range of your Wi-Fi to capture that four-way handshake so like I can bring this on the camera real quick go for it this thing you can do this with a $20 device on Amazon or even a cheaper device like there an ESP I think it's called esp32 or 8266 but this is called

a Wi-Fi pineapple and this is not your average pineapple this is an Enterprise um which you would use this on a big engagement that has like a what would something like that go for this is about 800 bucks okay um but you can get a regular pineapple I think for 100 or 200 bucks something like that uh this is way overboard um yeah th those are the esp3 esp32 ESP so those you can customize those in uh in many ways you can make devices with them you can you can write custom software onto them that

does bad things which I'll show you more about in a second um but this right here is like a su just think of this as a superpowered Wi-Fi card that can receive and send a ton of data capture those handshakes I was talking about um and then you know you could try to crack it on here which you're better off trying to crack it on your computer but this can also you know be man in the middle so you could trick the computers into thinking this is the router so all the traffic has to go

through this and then go to the Internet so you can you know you think fishing you tell you look at the URL make sure the URL matches the website you're going to well I can make it look like it's the the right website you're going to because I'm the one routing the traffic um or for example you go to a hotel room and uh or an airport and you connect to free Wi-Fi and that screen pops up that says I accept the term ter or you got to watch an ad that's called a captive portal

this thing or any other Wi-Fi device I'm just using this as an example uh Wi-Fi card at least you can create those captive portals so that when someone connects to a Wi-Fi that they may recognize maybe I de authenticate their house knock all their devices off of it um name it the same thing as their house so their devices try to connect back to it because it already knows it um it's going to pop open that little portal screen and say maybe sign in to Google sign into Instagram sign into PayPal whatever get all of

that information yeah so they they they put in their information they press submit that screen goes away they're on the internet they don't think anything of it and now I just captured their credentials and they have no idea that it even happened so this device can do way more than that I'm just trying to simplify the concept what else could it do um it can it it can do multiple different bands like a lot of technical details that I'm trying to stay simplify yeah got it okay uh by the way let me ask you this

the the whole story with you uh wanting to get a hold of pedophiles how did that happen got it so I I missed I missed uh explaining even while I got into the rehab business too I just forgot that too should I should I backtrack maybe just give me the concept here because the clip's going to be separate what what caused you to want to go after you know child pedophilia okay so or pedophiles yeah so the reason why I I I got this this passion where it even came from I don't have a kid

um but you know I I love kids I have a t ton of cousins a lot of lot of half brothers and sisters um you know but you know I I I didn't have this passion until I get a text from my friend's wife um and my friend's wife sends me some screenshots from this horrible website um which if you want me to name I'll name and it's a in one of those screenshots there was a father that posted a a picture of their their kid in the bathtub and you could see their back so

you could tell they were nude and it said on the title they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight and then um underneath of that you could see a bunch of people you know just saying what what they were going to do to this person's child and uh I was out you know and I whatever what something you know obviously it's aggravating I'm sure for whoever's listening to hear that just just that one post people commenting what they're going to do to the kid yeah yeah so people were were talking about what

they were going to do to this person's child I mean they they weren't directly I would assume because they're just people that were part of this website but the father that posted it who knows what they did to that kid in the past you know at that moment and and after that um so I left where I was at and um I I decided I'm going to do whatever it takes to bring this website down and I I I literally like I said I left so I'm drive I'm on my way there on my way

back to my house I go to this website um luckily there wasn't any uh cesam which is child sexual abuse material on the website um itself but like on the front end at least um but there were a lot of people talking about it fantasizing about it being very graphic about it which I can read you some of that stuff if you if you want but um I my plan was originally to do what's called a distributed denial of service attack which just means I'm going to hold the website down so that I it just

overflow it with traffic so that it can't function that was what I was originally going to do which is a very basic easy thing to do but that was my plan and I was advised by an attorney not to explain how I got in but I can say that it was a custom Zen 40 n theme uh that was cracked uh like that's what N means and uh and I was able to obtain code execution on their server which allowed me to um you know extract their entire database which included all of their users all

of the private messages anything that I wanted to get as well as four other databases from their previous websites but my common my Common Sense started to kick in and I was thinking well I don't want to be in possession of any type of illegal material and like you know obviously I don't want it anyway regardless if it's illegal I don't even want I don't even want to see that um so the easy way for me was to take out things that had there a square bracket the characters it's called a block or a short

code and I removed anything that had an attachment or an image and I exported the entire database so after exporting that database I saw the first user the administrator of the website was a guy named Nathaniel Larson Nathan Larsson and he was a person that ran for congress twice in the state of Virginia and I was able to um confirm without doubt that he was the the owner administrator of this website uh rapy dosu um r a p YSU and he had three three different rapies there was rapy dosu rap.to and yes that that it's

exactly him so I at that point I'm thinking okay this guy is he's he's a little bit of a a nut job like outside of being a pedophile like just looking into him he was into like white supremacy he was into uh like you know being against women or just just I think no it wasn't against women I think it was um what's it called uh being an incel like involuntary celibate so this guy just was a whack job around the board on top of being a pedoph and openly admitting to being a pedophile as

running for congress um so the first thing that I did was I called my lawyer because I was like I have all of this data and there is a politician that is running this website and uh my lawyer then reaches out to a task force I don't know exactly which one he reached out to I then reach out to the National Center for missing and exploited children I hit hit up their tip line with as much data as I could give them fully expecting them to give me a call or to come my house to

grab that data um and then after hearing nothing from them you know I'm sorry I called an attorney in Virginia as well and uh where he where he lived at the time and told them the story they were not much help and uh you know I was fully expecting the feds to show up at my door seiz my equipment do whatever I was willing to do whatever it took because I knew that 12 12 people have to tell me I'm a criminal if I take something to trial and I don't think in this case with

me timestamping everything that I did and and you know with with all of the intentions that I had it was pretty obvious that my intention was good from the start 12 people have to say you broke the law you are you're going to go to jail for exposing a pedophile ring so I was willing to take those chances I'm waiting for them to come take my stuff somebody's going to bail me out whatever whatever it is I'm just going to I'm going to do it it's all going to be fine but nobody comes so you

know I'm like very confused by that I'm like I have this I have a massive database full of all these people with proof I've like this is gold um and then I was like okay well maybe I can kind of force the hand a little bit so I started hitting up media which I've never done before so I started hitting up every it was 11 different media sources that I reached out to um I I don't have them with me but if you needed them I could try to find some of the recorded phone calls

that that I recorded with reporters and every single one and so it's not the reporter's fault so I'm not blaming any of them every single reporter that I spoke to was excited to this story so they all were going to run the story about this politician and the other users of the site um they all got back to me with a very similar answer saying that their legal team was not willing to run it or not or not wanting to take the risk to run it or or variations of that so I said okay well

how about you let them know just we won't include any of the illegally obtained material just let people know this website exists on the clear web for anyone to visit including children and don't include my name you don't have to include anything that I obtained you know illegally um and they still didn't run the story so 6 months later after you know me just not understanding why nothing is happening Nathaniel Larson gets arrested at a layover in Denver Colorado with a 12-year-old girl that he raped and kidnapped and I remember right now my stomach just

dropped thinking about it it's because it was like I could have prevented that situation what year cuz he's been accused a few times what year was that um I don't remember the exact year but if you find uh if if you look up Nathan Larson Colorado you'll you'll get the exact year 2020 he was arrested um 14 months in prison for felony of threatening the president of the United States 2008 so that's one then 2020 he was arrested Denver International Airport so two years ago for kidnapping a 12-year-old girl facing up to life in prison

so this is y four years ago when that happened yes yes so that was but when he got arrested was 6 months after I already knew he was a threat to children and and it was very frustrating that nothing happened why do you think those guys didn't want to do anything about it I wish I knew but at the time I wish that I knew I I know a little more now but what happened was so that you know this guy ends up going to prison there's a ton of articles about him getting arrested for

that right but there you know nothing about his website they didn't talk about this website anywhere yeah and there is so so much to be discovered so many people that need to go to prison that are hurting actively hurting kids and not only just the the weirdos and dangerous people on that site but the children on that website they were selling themselves to these people um which I'll go more into that later that I was able to confirm that a lot of them one like they weren't fantasizing pretending to be kids they were actual children

on this website um and by the way he ended up dying from committing suicide two years later that's what I wanted to bring up last was was he went to prison uh and that he starved to death um but they claim it's suicide I don't care whether it was suicide or not I I don't think he deserves to bre the same error as us but uh he you know I just I find it hard to believe that a jail would take on the liability without jamming a straw down your throat or a tube down your

throat to feed you and let you die from starvation I just find it hard to believe I feel like the what are you saying you're saying somebody took them out I think just you know if the inmates are in control of your food and uh you know I think that there's a possibility that happened I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I got you I just find it hard to believe a jail take on that liability let me ask you a question so do you how much of this you think is happening right now how much

you think of P pedophilia and pedophiles obviously you're seeing a lot of movement with these guys the YouTubers are going out they're catching people with hey this guy's getting a 13-year-old and then boom they're punching him in the face Rob I'm sure you have some of the clipss to show I'm sure you've seen it as well yeah I did it I did it as well oh really yeah yeah that's that's part of the story so do you did that recently or you used to do that no so that had to change but so the reason

why people heard my story in the first place so let's just Segway I guess into that cuz this was where that makes sense so I was doing this after that so I'll go back to the beginning of uh when Nathan Larson got arrested and nothing was done about the website and I still was not acknowledged uh I was like okay you know what I'm going to take this into my own hands and I saw there were YouTube groups that were confronting them they weren't hitting them or anything at this time but they were confronting them

they were decoying on their own pretending to be children grown women grown men and then they would confront them in real life but what I noticed the common trend of these people was was they would you know they wouldn't know the person's name they wouldn't know where they lived didn't know where they worked they would just show up and say hey were you here to do this and either the person would sit and talk or they'd walk away but there' usually be no arrest no no nothing no repercussions unless someone happens to run into that

video so I was like okay well I have some abilities with open source intelligence it's O osen is the short term for it let me just offer my services I I want to make sure they you know don't include my name I don't want the notoriety for it but send me your chat logs send me the phone number that you have for the person the profile photo send me everything you can on each person I reached out to a bunch of YouTubers back then and I was providing them full Case Files so that when they

showed up to meet these preditors uh they would know like hey hey uh you know John Smith I you know I I know you work at ABC you know.com and your wife is this and and I you know so they they have you have a little bit more leverage in in telling them hey you better sit here and talk to me um and the way that the the Predator catchers would do it would say like hey you either talk to me or we're going to get the police involved they were going to call your wife

or give them an ultimatum even though it's going to happen anyway it just gave them a little bit more leverage so I did that for quite a few years by myself anonymously nobody other than the Predator catching groups knew about that and one day I'm sitting with a very good friend of mine he's a professional MMA fighter and I see you have some gloves over here his name is Dustin Scrappy lampros and we're sitting in a garage and uh we're talking and I'm like hey man you train three times a day that's your main career

is fighting you know and uh I have this you know I can show you how bad it is so I popped open a teen chat on Google and I uh you know I just typed I think Ashley 13 female New Jersey was my username like like uh 13f NJ or it might have been flred I forget what I did but I hit start and all I typed was hi in the chat which I've demonstrated online before and you know within seconds literally seconds we could we could emulate it right now and I guarantee you we

get the same result um there were you know 20 plus people talking in the private messages wanting to talk to this is on the dark web or this is just regular we could Google team chat right now and we could do it right now okay Rob go to teen chat yeah and then just do one where you can yeah enter and then hit guest any of these it doesn't matter you could click anyone you want and then just give yourself an username like if you actually want to do this do like uh just a girl's

name Maria do Maria yeah 13f Florida or F FL and then yeah put 13 or what do we put as the age well I put 13 as the age is that too old um no no that's fine that's fine so just click the team chat I've never seen this website specifically but yeah just type Hi and then wait for the private messages to come in on the top this might get graphic who knows but remember this is the first link on Google for teen chat keep that in mind wow what happened I'm already getting DMS

seriously yep open them up seriously what did I say let's chat on uh 68 female 55 g7e yeah they want to chat offsite on a you know obviously that's an adult look at all these people messaging one two three four five different ones so this guy doesn't know I'm sorry these people do not know what this girl looks like they don't know how old she really is but they're sitting in a teen chat and so some of these may be kids like that says Molly 15 that could be a kid but I guarantee you go

through a couple of these you just say how old are you just lonely guy yeah that is not a that's not a teenager well let's respond yeah go ahead ask them how old they are and you know the way that we would do it as a Decoy for example back uh let's wait to to see what he's telling us to put go ahead what should he put I can't see the script screen zoom in a little bit R to see if the chat shows there you go so hey Hi how are you Hi say um

hey how old are you I would do that for a couple of them and you're getting blown up with look at all these messages and and there should ridiculous and all you said was hi oh jeez what's this one to say hey guys my name is ran Montgomery also known as zero day I'm proud to be part of the app man if you have any questions regarding child safety cyber security or even any of the gadgets that you see me use all over the Internet feel free to reach out I'd be happy to help you

with any any questions or concerns you may have stay safe yeah say how old are you name d okay just step in how old are you you openly ask that question you don't even hesitate yeah yeah go right yeah usually they'll respond with a real age these these these predators are they they don't have any fear you know they just they're they're nuts it's uh it's absolutely insane what's this one say yeah look at that so that's either a bot or a real person I don't know okay Alise so let's see what else we got

yeah and then you can also say hi in the chat again get some more people going but yeah so that's an adult are you joking Yep this is just lonely guy turned 19 in May hope you don't mind is his response what do you want a respond to be I mean you could say whatever you want but usually they're like you know 30 40 50 years old 19 is still horrible but uh yeah that's an adult sitting in a teen chat and 19 is a teenager but he shouldn't be talking to what he knows to

be a 13-year-old or what you said it that 13 or yeah yeah but it's the unfortunate part is I see with when I was doing this at least with Dustin which he's still he's still doing it himself 61 PC is the group that we started together it's still around um you you know you seem to you start to see like even on major sites like Instagram Facebook and Tik Tok that more men um are willing to speak with a child than not and it's it starts to make you lose a little bit of faith in

humanity so let me ask you but but Okay so we've had a lot of people on to tell us look at this look at this it's insane that's exactly what I'm saying that's insane I'm actually trying to see how far along this can get look how many there is it's fing the whole screen this guy just offered his age High 17 male Metal Gods that's a that's a kid okay you're assuming that's a kid right you still don't know zoom in Hi how are you can we chat do you have age preference or age limitation

do you like an older boy there you go so what do you want to respond with say yes how old so it's unbelievable like you could sit here all day but this is remember first result for teen chat so a kid might think this is safe or a parent might think this is safe it's a teen chat the first result result on Google we didn't even go through all these private messages you're still getting a ton of messages Rob what's it say 27 sorry yeah 27y old there you go okay Absol teen chat at 27

unbelievable so but here's a question so uh if if we know this is happening okay does the US government the US government knows this is happening they know how much of a business this is we've seen the number thrown around $150 billion year industry is what it is right human trafficking child trafficking and if if the US government really wanted to get to the bottom of this okay we have the ATF right which is what uh uh uh the tobacco fire Alcohol Tobacco Firearms right we have DEA you know we have uh FBI Federal be

investig we have C if they really wanted to create a threel organization purely dedicated to catching pedophiles they obviously could do it well they I mean a lot of them do so Homeland Security investigations has child crimes units there's FBI they have child crimes units how much money they dedicate to it not much no nothing that's in the millions no and it's a second thing next to the drug war or why don't they do it though why don't they pursue it I wish I had an answer for you but it I don't and and and

now being doing what I'm doing I guess going back to what like I had to sto doing the the project with Dustin or Scrappy sure um because they considered vigilante justice so I I had I couldn't sit in court and be discredited as a vigilante uh catching Predators outside of the law so I had to join a group called Sentinel Foundation which is awesome I'm the CTO of Sentinel Foundation it's full of Green Berets and um Delta Force operators and retired Homeland Security and we work in parallel with law enforcement now so I'm able to

actually get convictions actually take down big you know big operations rather than than one Predator at a time which I think there's incredible value in both but I had to make a choice right I it's either I take this once in a lifetime opportunity to be the CTO of a reputable uh I guess NGO non-government organization that works with law enforcement or continue to bust them on YouTube and you know get one at a time so Dustin's been doing a fantastic job and he's been getting arrest by the way which is something relatively new what's

the craziest story Dustin has craziest story Dustin has um uh yeah I I like in regard to like catching a predator maybe even yourself like when you were doing this what what are some of the stories of who you caught and and so we've caught teachers police officers teach yeah yeah yeah we've caught I caught a teacher um here's here's a crazy one so so a guy um his name was Brent and he went he was meeting up with what he thought was a 13-year-old and um there's a video of me actually chasing him on

YouTube but um he uh so he he thinks that we're police which I find that out later but but he meets up he thinks he's meeting with a child a little girl and um I uh uh I chase him to his car he peels off 10 days later I get a message from another Predator catcher group on the other side of the country that he got caught again by a different decoy in person so he got caught twice and now he's talking to a decoy again that I was I was I was recently made aware

of so three times so think of the times that he has not been caught and he's a teacher I mean you can look him up uh I forget well I'd have to look up his name on my computer but it's Brent something he he had two different teaching positions last I checked and there's been other teachers that Dustin has caught what is the profile of how these guys are wired is it is it the fact that even if they get I'll never do it again I'll never do it again I'll never do it again boom

they're back at it again next week doing it again is it because they just don't think they're going to get caught or is it because they don't care what the consequences are I don't I I can't think like one of them so I don't know but from what it appears to be it's seems to be a compulsion that you know I have no sympathy for it's the only mental health disorder if you want to call it that that I have no sympathy for like you I I could literally watch someone's I could I could watch

a a pedophile or predator or trafficker watch them get beheaded in front of me and I would not lose sleep over it so I I don't know I just I think it's a compulsion that they can't help themselves regardless of the consequences uh but I have no sympathy for it and I don't think they deserve to breed the same air like I said earlier rob you know who who else said this you know who else said the same exact thing 3 weeks ago judge from Sheriff gr Jud oh grd Jud yes so we had him

on he worked with us he worked with you yeah we had him on and he told me about a story of a guy that he went to jail and he told him and he went to watch a death penalty ten penalty if you remember because he he the guy told him what he did to a 12-year-old girl and then afterwards how he says I sat there and I watched him die and I had zero sorrow for what was going on I actually partly enjoyed it I believe those were some of his words on what he

said I'm paraphrasing um but I think a lot of people are also where you are um I just wonder why there's not that much of an interest in wanting to get to the bottom of this especially if they're mainly targeting kids yeah look at this look at this I mean the the interest should be there and I've said this in other other uh interviews and videos myself if you have the ability to do something about this um you should be doing it uh but people don't you know I mean I I have a I know

a lot of people in the hacking World which is a small community but I know a good majority of it and not there there's not enough people doing it um law enforcement can't handle it they a lot of their the internet crimes against children's technology is very Antiquated and and they need like I I talked to one not too long ago I won't I won't name them because I don't want to embarrass them but they wanted my training and they wanted me to help them with with their investigations and I'd be happy to do that

but that shouldn't be the case they shouldn't need my help what are you seeing here hey High School teacher here and cute any girls want to chat oh my gosh and this is a teen chat the first result on Google guys remember that first result wait he's he's a teacher asking and by the way this website is this a this is not a dark web website this isck we can go click another one we can go click a different different team chat and the same thing will happen and and how does this chat room know

that's happening and they allow that cuz that's public it's not even private how does the chat know this is happening and they allow that this is the part that most people don't understand in is it's every website it's not just teen chats it's Instagram Tik Tok um Sprout Meetup kick uh you don't have any kids no do you want to have kids I do but I'm terrified what is this what you're terrified of yeah because every kid is has a phone and iPad and it's like an appendage to them you can't like that's something I

wanted to talk to like you know I'm giving advice to parents is something that I like to do but I don't have kids so it's like I feel weird doing it but in a way it's almost like I I feel like I have like if I see something bad I need I need to let you know about it and uh what there something that's different from when I was a kid even though I was attached to the computer like it was a body part to some degree kids really depend on their phone and their iPads

and everything else um current day so when you let's say your kid is scared to tell you that a high school teacher or a grown man is talking to them um because they're scared they're going to get their device taken away they're just not going to tell you and then a catastrophe might happen and then they're going to be dealing with trauma or worse for the rest of their life so my advice to parents out there is make sure your kids know that they can be open and honest with you without the repercussion of losing

their device let me ask this question so you got let's just say you got kids and your kids are uh six 7 8 10 12 years old whatever you pick the ages right what are you teaching them what are you telling them based on what you know and you know all these tools what are you telling them what are you showing them I'm telling them to stay off of the social media that I'm not that that I they haven't had my approval uh to to use I guess I would like to have access like I

don't want to be a helicopter parent is what I'm kind of trying to get at so I don't know exactly how I'm going to do this because the more that I do I've been doing it for years now and my brain is so tainted from seeing how screwed up people are um that I don't know what happens when I have a kid what I'm going to do but what I can do what I mean I would probably be following the same advice that I would give other people other other people that are parents um and

I would monitor my kids devices I'd let them know they can be open with me um and then you know I I I would try not to be overbearing but I would I would ask a lot of questions okay um uh I mean we can talk about this all day long because to me this is very important as a father that's why my kids don't have a phone they don't have they only get to play iPad twice a week that's Saturday Sunday if they have C's they don't get to play iPad at all whether it's

3 months 6 months it doesn't matter and I think too many parents are just kind of given there I'll go to dinner the other day my wife and I went to dinner this three-year-old kid parents sat down gave him a SSA what you know what a SSA is what's a the the what do you do when you you give the thing uh in the kids mouth in Russian they call it soska what do they call it uh Binky what do you call the thing oh the nipple the baby nipple is that go to images pacifier

yeah paf a b PA was that Jake in the back Jake you're so funny like a voice of God yeah we call it Sosa and and that's what we grew up calling it but anyway so this kid the mom gives the kid a SSA and then gives a phone and boom the dinner was two hour at noou the kid was stuck on a phone for 2 hours I'm just Jen and I are watching saying are you flipp and we're ding dinner with our three kids none of them have a phone in front of them these

guys have a phone in front of them but it's it's a pretty scary time to have kids I don't blame parents who are worried who are not parents people like yourself that are worried about having kids but let's go to a different thing so I walk into a business I look at the business from a different lens I'll say kids it's secure how many employees do they have here how many computers what are they Us in how do they have it set up as how many offices versus how many cubicles is it an open environment

is it a private environment or people talking to each other is there culture built or people hanging up stuff to show what they're all about is there family pictures around their table because if people have family pictures around their computers that means they're probably going to be there a little longer than usual you're a different story you're a hacker you walked into our building what are you looking at what are you thinking about how are you sizing us for our vulnerabilities so I the the uh they they in the hacking World they would call it

Recon reconnaissance or enumeration so so what I would be doing is trying to see what type of equipment you have what computers you're running what operating system you're running go on my phone try to figure out what type of Wi-Fi you're running you know whether it be WPA wp3 Etc um Talk why does that matter to you the what kind of Wi-Fi different types of different types of attacks depending on different scenarios um and uh you know if people have their phones out is it is it majority Android or is it majority iPhone um you

know try to they call it a threat landscape so I I would take the the attack surface or threat landscape and uh and then try try my best to you know take take over as many devices as possible and manipulate as many people in this building um that I can to get what I want if if we were on an engagement doing a penetration test if we were on engagement doing a penetration test and how long would a penetration test take with you depends on the size of the business but usually I mean we have

a pretty pretty good team I mean I would say my personal opinion one of the best in the world if not the best in the world so uh usually fast and and done well but um you know a lot of times I get involved as well so and I and I seem to be like a you know very thorough because I care it's my it's my company I'm sure you can relate to that and it's uh are you are you naturally more a CTO is that what your wiring is um no no I mean i'

I I've always been a CEO I just happened to be the CTO of Sentinel Foundation because that's what they they titled me but uh I handle a lot more than just CTO related things with settin the foundation let me ask a different question so when it comes on to CIA or you know mad or MI6 or some of these secret intelligence right you know you you'll hear stories about the fact that hey you know uh uh these guys have the best secret intelligence those guys have the best secret intelligence if you really wanted to you

know hack into mad okay the Israeli military intelligence or MI6 UK military int or even our CIA could you do it and how deep could you go in so if I would I mean I can't say that I can or can't because I don't I've never tried but I would say the first thing that I would go for um would be an individual I would try to befriend an individual whether that be with my real name or with an alias and I would try to manipulate that individual into doing something that would give me access

to their devices okay so that's your pattern on how to okay so let's just say you got in what are you looking for to get in cuz those guys they typically have two separate phones right and they probably know guys like you and they probably get trained to be careful on what to do with guys like you right turn off your Bluetooth turn off your Wi-Fi when you're around them or any of that stuff right but okay but let's just say you do what's your next step after that so after I after I get a

like say you got a Massad agent or an MI6 or CIA you got somebody you get info from them then what are you doing next um I'm going to try to authenticate to let's say it's a web server I'm going to try to authenticate to the web server to see what type of data I can pull from it or or hide my persistence on that web server so they can't find me and get rid of me um and then I'm going to try to Pivot to the other you know computers inside of that Network or

or in that organization whether it be computers or or devices um that that would be my next steps so the you have to have some point of exploitation or some point of of weakness you take advantage of that point of weakness whether it be a person or a device or a webs whatever it may be um and then you want to Pivot around that Network and uh and look for more devices and more people to infect okay so let's think about wiky leagues okay Julian Assange right what happened with them and he just came here

I thought he was here and then he went back to Australia not here I think he went to Bahamas or something like that he was somewhere around here four weeks ago and then he flew back to the Bahamas a person like a Julian Assange okay or a person like you you know everybody is wondering what happened with the Epstein files right it's just a lot of it's It's on a lot of people's minds I'm sure and if these guys did what they did and they held these people hostage because like even this guy named Leon

black who's a multibillionaire he ends up paying some I don't know what the number was what did Leon black pay uh uh Epstein for Consulting fees zoom in $150 million in fees for tax services I've never heard of that before and load them $30 million and also made a $10 million donation to his charity right that's kind of weird to do something like that to that's a little odd right it gets a guy like you question that if you really wanted to go into finding out what Epstein had access to what types of files and

videos and stuff like that and that was your real Mission like you were determined to do because let's just say one of the girls that he was abusing that was underage was a sister of yours or a cousin of yours or a niece of yours MH if if that produce the emotion that I think can produce in a person like you do you think you could find the files of what is what Epstein had if you really wanted to I think that if I couldn't find it digitally I would swim across that damn ocean and

get on his Island and I'd find it I would do it that way I would I would you know talk about you know just this keeping it basic with the technology because there's way more attacks than just Wi-Fi but just you know even if it meant swimming across getting on a boat and and just you know going around in a circle with that Island trying to connect to one of those computers if he had one um and uh you know I would try everything I possibly could uh especially while the island was populated now that

he's dead I can only go off of what people have you know and and what's out there and there's only one journalist that I'm familiar with uh that not not familiar with that I know of that uh that has his black book and and his wife at the black book I I don't know much more that was released about the guy like I I personally don't even know how he became a billionaire I have no idea I don't know that much about him we just showed it to that's how I became a billionaire no I

thought that I misread that I thought it said millions no no but that's one client though so imagine the the accusations that are being made is the fact that he had so much Intel on on so many people that he would bring to the island and he had videos and things that they did that he would come back and say hey now you got to pay me XYZ or now you got to do this I need this offer and I need this favor I need that favor and I kind of combined you get a lot

of people that are willing to pay the kind of money that they're paying you you doesn't take much to become he was extorting them yeah that's exactly the key that's what a lot of people accuse him of yeah well I mean he it's but really to get extorted in that situation you have to to take advantage of a child so I mean I I don't feel bad for either side I don't feel bad for obviously Jeffrey Epstein or anyone that he extorted if they're going to rape a child I mean I think they deserve that

yeah but how many people like you are out there in America if you were to say how capable like you how many of you are out are out there I mean it's hard to tell because everyone's Anonymous you know or going by not everyone but most if I had to take a guess of actual hackers not just beginners getting into the field no no at the level that you're at if not higher than you how many of those are out there let's just say 10,000 50,000 that's a lot though I can't I don't know for

China you know they they have a lot of people and I'm talking us like how many you think there are us I would say 10 10 20,000 10,000 of people that can do what you do yeah but not working with our army and our military the to the extent that people may think what do you mean like you know I had a recruiter come in when I was speaking at hack Miami and uh and the recruiter told me that there were less than um a thousand people in the entire Army that's fighting for our country

with with with a computer cyber crime or cyber warfare my apologies yeah I just like I don't think you would do it because you you're you're not trying to make enemies from the feeling I'm getting from you is you're trying to avoid making enemies is what you're trying to do you know I'm making enemies all the time so do you think so so let me ask you who do you think is the biggest well I don't know I don't know because to me see I don't know how to do what you do I don't have

that Talent that's your talent right um but if somebody like let's just say I'm living on in a in a ah because I don't think it's that hard to find out what Epstein did I don't think it's that hard to find out what Diddy had on his files for him to get rated in Miami and La I don't think you guys look at it and say how do you not know I think guys like you look at and says how the hell do you not go get it you know you know what happen oh if

I had the same Authority that that somebody that could seize his files or get get access to where he was at if I had that Authority it'd be it'd be game over for him but when it's all sealed up and stored in an Evidence Locker you so you still couldn't get through that I mean it doesn't mean I couldn't do that but I I would be breaking the law if I did and it's already being handled at that point hopefully I just I don't think it is though see I don't think it is I think

I honestly I think the Saving Grace to put a stop to the pedophilia movement and the human trafficking is guys like you I I don't think they look like Navy Seals I don't think they look like me I don't think I think they look like you I think they fear the hell out of people like you and by the way you know uh uh you know how they took down the mob yeah you know the story how they took down the mob you know who Rudy Giuliani learned how to go take down the mob yeah

I I don't know every detail but yes there was a professor at ruter University that I think it was can you type in Rudy juliani ruter mob Rudy Giuliani ruers mob zoom in a little bit to see if there's a story uh uh uh uh ruer Professor type in Professor if you can ruer professor professor professor mob zoom in zoom in see if that story is out there or not okay I'll find it anyways Rudy Julian is trying to find out how to take down to up MH this professor gets a hold of them and

says the way you're going to do it is through the way you're going to do it is through uh uh what do you call it through recoil laws and Rudy says how do we do that anyways the guy eventually coaches him to be able to find out how to go take him out with the and that's how they did it got it with the RICO Act they did it with the RICO Act is the way they did it and he was able to get him down based on you know then that was the way 240

guys like this got arrested right it's like oh and then what happened clean up the streets of New York the mob is gone okay and it's no longer what it was that it was in the early ' 80s or' 7s or' 60s 50s you know there still hasn't happened a an event like that for 40 years where guys are getting locked up and arrested to say listen guys we going to leave this business of human trafficking oh I wish there was it's I wish there were the the issue like I said going back to what

I was saying is whether they're a big-time trafficker and they're dealing you know they're they're trafficking a ton of women and children or they're just a single Predator SL pedophile or there a drunk guy that which I still think pedop pedophile even if you're a drunk guy that gets horny and decides to meet up with a child um there's there's variations of how bad these people can get um like the sheer amount of them that are willing to meet up with a kid on any platform it makes me think that this is a problem that

I just don't know how I don't know how we're going to be able to solve it with the law you know it's you can yeah it's it's illegal you you could end up on a sex offender registry but these guys keep coming back they keep doing it so I I genuinely don't know how to answer that question I don't know if the RICO Act would solve this one no no I'm not asking about the RICO Act at all what I'm saying to you is I think guys like you if 50 of you well if 50

of you were part of the I don't give a Community MH which is hard to find that that 50 if 50 if I was the president or if the president assigned me to say hey I need you to go find out what's going on with uh uh what do you call it you know with pedophilia and human trafficking in America you know what I would do I'd call you and I'd say hey we have five other names we want to have a meeting um I'd have my guys filter you out to see if it matters

to you or not if you didn't give a if you like ah it's honestly right now I'm making so much money I don't want to get a caught up like this I'm living a decent life that I no problem mhm but I would bring you guys in 10 15 20 of you I would say I bless you I would say I need you guys to be with me here for 30 days so if you're going to come you got to come into to being with me in this building for 30 days yeah yeah I love

it I would want all of us in the same building we can't get out okay I'm going to get you food I'm going to get you place to sleep you're going to get plenty of rest you don't have to worry about that and we're going to turn you into hero for figuring this thing out I'm going to say what tools do you need you're going to say what if I ask you right now what tools do you need what would you say technology what tools would it be a laptop access to cuz we built pentester

and this is not an ad but we built pentester upon the technology I was using to find predators and we s we flipped that technology around to to help people find their own digital footprint and remove it um so I would say give me a computer give me access to my P my own platform um and then that's it I mean get to work yeah an internet you know I need an internet connection but that's about it and then you know you're saying within that if I had a room of 50 of you in the

same room locked up you can't get out you're telling me you guys and I you guys within 30 days you'd figure out what's going on I mean it's not a guarantee but I think you have a pretty good shot of it I mean I I I don't know it's a dep it's a it's a fictional scenario so it's hard to know for sure but yeah I think I think you guys would though I believe I believe we would I believe we would but but it would be it would be me I'd be lying if I

was saying for sure you know because I don't know the scenario if it was if there was a case and you said this is the details here's the exact target you know you know everybody has a has a mission that they're on and a sword that they're willing to die on do you have one or no um my mission is to is to number one educate parents and protect children that's that's my main life goal at the moment um but secondly I realized that a lot of my content is very hard and very very you

know very tough tough you know tough to swallow type data uh information um so I I thought well what else can I do to help other people and my thought was help people get into cyber security because it's the number one industry in the world right now we need more people doing it and it's fun and I love teaching it I love simplifying it and showing people how how much fun you can have doing the right thing like you don't have to take the paths I took as a kid you can make a ton of

money doing it the right way so I started making 30 to 60c videos on social media showing and demonstrating these tax and I have people walking up to me literally everywhere that I go you name it in a public place everywhere that I go I have people coming up saying you know like you know they see you online and this this and that there there's those people but what really makes me happy is when they come up to me and they say uh you know I was their inspiration for getting into cyber security or I'm

their reason that they're in college for cyber security right now promising career it's a very promising career to get into it's it's it's an honor that to know that I would had a part in that I'm not going to take credit for it but to have a part in it inspiration it's it really it motivates me to keep doing this Ryan what other tools do you have there that you want to share with us I got I got something cool that you'll appreciate let me see it I want to see it hold on you want

to see something funny while I pull it out um check a email on there like one of your old Gils or something and you can type in patrickthe storybuilder Patrick atthe the storybuilder so it's it's going to be a little the site will be a little slower than it normally is cuz we got like 30 to we wait for until it comes we'll wait until it comes but you can show me what you got and we'll get to it have you check the uh NPD breach too for your social is probably I would almost guarantee

that it's in there so you should probably handle that before you post my interview okay yeah sounds good okay so this is what is this just out of curiosity this looks like something I would use to charge my phone yeah with a charger yeah and you know that's so I have every every single charger you can imagine in here all of them right so actually what this is the reason why I have this little orange thing here is because there is no way I'd ever know that this was a charger I'm sorry that this was

not a charger without this orange tag because it is that that uh that perfect so the NSA is selling these for $20,000 and I have a friend mg he goes by who is selling them for you know a couple hundred a piece and I have a bunch of them I can show you but this one I pre-loaded with something cool the old appreciate um so this is a charger that will work I could hand this to you and say hey here's my charger man or replace yours right whatever you got plugged in I'm sure I

have a replacement for that okay um uh you bring this home it could act like a charger forever or but as soon as this plugs in inside of this tiny little plastic right here this inside of this is a Wi-Fi chip a mini computer and this thing emulates a keyboard and can take at 860 characters per second so what I'll do is cuz I'm sure you don't want me to plug this into your computer I don't so let me get my computer set up real quick did you say $20,000 for that well the yeah so

the NSA has has a look up uh if if you get it oh it's still stuck on the scan but uh check yeah definitely check back at that but look up NSA um OMG cable and then yeah you should see that's the actual cable itself but if you scroll down to the bottom you'll probably see where the NSA is selling their own version of it before my friend there is I just found the $220,000 yep I just I'm going to text it to you wow yeah so mg was able to pull it off for a

couple hundred which is unbelievable and it is it is so dangerous man it's just I have so many gadgets with me and we probably don't have enough time to go through I mean I have literally 50 plus gadgets with me so I'll show you a couple of them but like don't want to don't want to go too crazy yeah that's a European site that you can buy it from yeah right there this complete wireless pent testing payad platform invisibly embed inside a cable originally a clandestine NSA tool costing over $20 ,000 now available to everyone

to Bucks yeah there's a there's a name for it too I think it was I can't remember the exact name the NSA was calling it but you could see the actual government document with the cost for the for the exactly the same thing so now what does this do um so I'm going to show you what it does but it can it can monitor your key strokes so you can put this in line in between your key are you kidding me yeah you can put this in line in between your keyboard and your computer I

could put this in straight into your phone I could put this I can type Keys like I said at 860 words per second um I can leave it there and come back later this thing has its own Wi-Fi network that I connect to inside of this and then if you were to like you can match this up to yours and see it's absolutely identical 100% same thing yeah so if you didn't have that little orange thing on there you'd easily lose that wow is the one you have is this is that the new design or

is that the could tell you this is just a well I just me like is it the woven one or is that this is the one that's the apple one this is actual Apple okay so let me show you the apple one while my computer is booting I don't know why it's not booted up yet I have so many of them he he gave me a ton yeah here look at this one that is not an Apple charger this is the same thing as the other one yeah yeah yeah and so so let's just say

you give this to somebody your spine on okay they put it to charge you're now seeing who I'm texting what I'm doing videos I'm playing everything I'm doing you're seeing all of it uh not texting because I can't but on on the computer yes yeah on the phone I'm able to inject keystrokes into the phone um like let's say I want to install a virus on your Android or something I could do that with that device but I can't tell what you're typing on your on your computer I can tell what you're typing so these

things these things are wild 200 bucks yeah per cable you know who buys them who who uses them so they're intended for penetration testers like myself to do the right thing um but you know thread actors can buy them as well all right so let's get this thing they're intended for penetration test that you do for companies yes okay so make sure everything's plugged in we're not on any yeah there's no internet here all right so what I'm going to do is and you can see here that without this like this orange thing I have

on here just so I don't lose it with my actual charge um but I don't have to have that on here I just don't want to don't want to lose it so I'm going to plug this into USBC which you know you can pick whatever one you want so that's plugged into USBC this I'm not going to connect to anything I could charge my phone with it I could do whatever I want with it but what I'm going to do is on my phone I'm going to go to Wi-Fi I'm going to click OMG now

I just created a network from this cable that's plugged in that's not not we don't have an OMG Network here no no no okay no and this is not plugged into anything okay so this is creating a Wi-Fi network yep I'm going to go to it in my browser and then I have now I have a a an interface here that I can connect with so I'm going to go in the file menu I'm going to load payload one there we go all right so ready now I'm going to hit build and run which I

could be very far away from the computer this is just showing an example of it see how fast that's typing what's it doing it's typing pbd podcast and zero day was here get out of here so that could have been anything that could have been a malicious command that could have been a virus that it downloaded that could have been anything that I wanted it to be and I have now remote control over this cable that if I plug right into my phone watch plug it into my phone charges charging you would have no idea

that there this implant is in your house just because there's a Wi-Fi in here and and more there's more in there I'm just simplifying it so this is like a smaller computer yeah yeah and it and it weighs the same looks the same feels the same you would never know that that thing is extremely dangerous and you so this is used for an ethical person to do a penetration test on a company what does an unethical hacker do with that tool right there an unethical hacker can use this tool to steal people's credentials to Monitor

and you know to to spy on people to look through your webcam to uh to try to get access to your network to to your phone to what you know they they're going to do it for you know they they got the criminals do bad things an ethical hacker is going to try to access your computer to access other computers to try to take over your company so that you can show where the weaknesses are so you can make it better um so it's it's essentially the same Concepts though uh but one has a good

goal in mind the other one has uh you know screwing someone over in mind $20,000 and say used to use it now 200 bucks yeah and that's just for one cable I have I mean I can show you all of them if you want to see them all but same exact of a cable yeah they just look like a real cable and I got a real funny one actually that's uh so the way that I would recommend protecting yourself from this would be with what's called a data blocker right so a data blocker is something

like this I'll show you okay so here's here is there's two things here I want to show you so you can buy a data blocker for about $5 on Amazon you can plug any USB device into it and it's only going to limit it to charging so that even if it is a malicious cable it can't be abused this this is this is funny so this was kind of a joke that my friend he made this but it's a product he cells it's a data blocker called the Unblocker that blocks blocks these attacks but also

has payloads in it to do the same thing so it's a it's a USB data blocker and looks just like one but also does what you just saw it allows you to inject wireless key strokes and monitor Keys Etc so that is for what that is for somebody to protect themselves against what somebody coulded yeah and that's how much five bucks no this this one's like 150 bucks that's 150 bucks yeah this is who needs that I mean I don't think you need it I think it's just it's safer to use a real data blocker

pay $5 $10 on Amazon for one um this is this one's more of just a joke like here's a data blocker that I'll swap yours out with and then I can then I can inject payloads through your data blocker is that is that like an RFID or no that's different no that's different I'll show you that in a second actually and this is the malicious cable detector which is his other thing and I'm I feel like I'm promoting the crap out of him right now and I'm I'm trying I'm sure he's appreciating I'm sure he

he's getting a lot of business right now well I uh I I hope so but uh he's such a nice guy he was a help desk guy that ended up doing extremely cool things in the hacking world but uh this is a malicious cable detector that he also sells that if you want to be extra overboard you can buy plug it into this and it'll tell you if it's a malicious cable or not got it got it so yeah let me put these back but I want to show you one more one or I'm sorry

one one more thing that you you know to worry about something you can check at home um that is uh kind of an interesting concept so you got a girlfriend uh yeah so with your girl I mean you probably know everything she's doing um so you'd be surprised um I a lot of people think that a lot of people think that having having a girlfriend uh and having the ability to go through her stuff basically whenever I wanted to I'm going to take that you really could I mean you can find out everything she's doing

I could but I I don't and I haven't done that you know almost I've done it maybe when I was younger a few times but as an adult I realized that no matter who you are you're going to find something you don't like no matter what whether it be a smile I'm not a jealous guy by any means but you're going to find a smiley face here or there you're going to find a hard Emoji here or there it's like do I want to piss myself off for no reason so I just don't I don't

look if they're going to cheat they're going to cheat on you regardless of what you tell them they're going to do or tell them what they what you want them to do who they can who they can talk to like don't even try they're going to cheat on you or they're not going to cheat on you so that's just my mentality on it good for you and and so what is that do you get those R Ritz cheese Krispies because that's like your or this yeah we're going to promote Ritz on the like at this

point just I'm sitting on with the greatest salesman of all time we got rich cheesec crackers here at the dbd podcast um but yeah I I I don't know I just was hungry I brought these I got I thought you were going to do something with that I'm like so he brought he brought Ritz no I was just hungry my kids would be running here right now if that was here they would be you'd become their best friends I love roitz bits but I my mouth is so dry those things probably kill me right now

but screen crab this thing this one's an interesting one so uh the cameras aren't set up in a way for me to demonstrate it but check this out so you can probably oh gosh it's in there okay so this device if you see on one side it has USBC yep which you could do USBC to usba which is just this little square USB and then HDMI HDMI and then it also has a little antenna okay right you don't need the antenna it also has one other thing here for uh an SD card which you can

fit right here with you know you can put two terabytes in this thing or a terabyte a lot a lot of storage um put your HDMI in put your power in every TV every monitor for the most part is going to have a USB port so get a small USB port a small h HDMI put this in the back of a a computer screen or the back of a computer desktop and you could even put a little poster note saying like HDMI enhancer or uh do not remove or it it only like something that you

know would scare somebody from from unplugging it and this thing can wirelessly from quite quite some distance transmit with almost no delay with in in high quality what's going on on the screen um and if you if you're not within proximity let's say you go out of the proximity of this this this antenna it stores all of that footage uh on the SD card which could be from what I was actually told by a friend years depending on the interval of uh of how often it's taking snapshots so check behind your screens check behind your

computers look for a device like this which is like a a man-in-the-middle type of device that is capturing your screen and you know it there's so much more out there to be scared of but this is something that you could easily check if it's there unplug it and and uh and throw it in the trash call the police do whatever you got to do so that's going to that's going to record everything you're doing on your screen yes in high quality too and how much is that I don't know I don't know what's the most

expensive tool he's got that he's selling does he have these are all different people yeah these are all what's the most expensive tool out of all these tools that you know that you know the most expensive one I have with me right now um is this one because it's just enterprise Enterprise 800 bucks but what else what's something that's astronomical but it's what it does is ridiculous I would say I can't give you all the specifics on how it works but the cell celbrate which is how they you know some phones are dumped they're very

expensive like dumped for all the data that's on them and they're used usually for criminals and traffickers and pedophiles celebrite uh is a very celebrite or celebrite celebrite that one right there yeah celebrate and how how much would that be they range I think from 20 to 50, I don't know I don't want to give you a false number so something some wild number got it and and so I'm assuming when you're going through stuff like this you probably have some guys that reach out to you I know I heard about a story with you

and James O'Keefe where project Veritas reached out to you how how did that end up with the story so James O'Keefe himself did not reach out to me he was already gone I guess by that point um I didn't know anything about project baritas all I I did see a momentary clip of them with the you know with a previous story that they had but I didn't know anything about him I'm not a big politics guy I don't know much about uh I just don't I don't know it's just not my thing so I seen

them just passing around the internet but whatever the case is they they uh going back to what we were saying earlier uh I went on a small podcast with I think a guy you know named Gerard um and Gerard questioned me he said what why did you get involved in in this same question you asked me what what what piqu your interest right so I answer that question about these screenshots from my friend's wife and and then and much more and that clip gets 10 over 10 million views overnight and now all of the media

all kinds of people want to know the full story and it's like okay it had to be force-fed to the public for people to take action on this but the first person that reached out that had some type of credibility at least on the outside of what it appeared to be was Project Veritas I didn't know anything about them I just saw they had a lot of follow you've never heard of them before until they reach out to you right okay yeah I mean other than I remember their logo from a video but that's it

got it I don't know any of their inner Dynamics you're not really a political guy you're not in that world you know where politics is something you're interested in not at all okay yeah yeah so I didn't even know who James O'Keefe was and so project Veritas reaches out and they said uh we'll come to Florida like within 24 hours we'll come by tomorrow and we want that data we want to investigate it and I was like okay great so project verat house jumps on a plane they come to Florida they take the data from

me and they actually did commit to their words so uh what happened was is they they grabbed the data there there was a lot of people on their team I would say at least bare minimum there was six working at all times going through each user individually identifying who they were and then confronting these people in real life showing up where where they were at with cameras confronting them from being on the this website um and that was going incredible I was like okay I finally have a group of people that are taking it seriously

these people are going to get exposed they're going to prison like this is awesome so a couple weeks later I uh I I go on the Shawn Ryan Show which he's an awesome guy Shawn Ryan is is incredible guy very good at what he does yeah yeah and such a nice kind-hearted intelligent man like I I would and same thing with Sean Ryan I never seen a podcast of his I didn't even know who he was I just like I he's very good at what he does I love him I love him he's he's a

great guy and I uh I you know I I was willing to go on his podcast but the way that it was structured was project baratas was going to do their release which which was catching one of the Predators from that database uh which they did they released their first video which uh which was it went it went okay for them but not not great because they were getting a lot of hate at the time for James O'Keefe um Shawn Ryan then released early because he made an agreement with project Barett house that they were

going to have their second release after I went on the Sha Ryan Show well they had an interim CEO come in her name was Hannah who then got on the phone with me and told me that she's looking for more of a tsunami and this is not something that they want to continue with so after identifying over 500 pedophiles uh and in a huge database of pedophiles but so there was way more work to do way more people to confront this interim CEO shuts it down and uh and then the Sean Ryan Show I end

it by saying you know we're going to be releasing more information basically and it never happens because the interim CEO shut it down so all of that investigatory work that was done by all of the people at project baritas it was for almost nothing which was sad to see because those people really tried hard and I I respect them for how much time did they put into it with you oh I mean a lot of time I I mean I would say there was 500 of them and they didn't want to do anything with 500

they confronted a few of them in real life but after I got shut down by that interim CEO no no and is that interim CEO still there or no I I don't know I would check if I'm kind of curious her name was Hannah project verasio Hannah J quits the chief executive project Veritas said Monday she stepped down from a role at project verit so who is Project Veritas say strong evidence of past illegality is interesting I don't I mean I don't know this person I don't know what she's done yeah I've never met her

in person I just talked to her on the phone once and she told me that the story was not a Title Wave but what I would say back to Hannah now if she was watching this show is well there's about two billion views on the internet to say otherwise and uh she should have taken the story seriously because it would have not only helped project baratas and the brand at the time but it would the more important part is it would have helped a ton of a ton of people what brand was that project Veritas

like they were they were getting so much hate at that time for that the owner James o'keef leaving or getting fired or whatever really happened like this would have would have been a perfect opportunity for them to restore their name and do something good in the meantime um and she just shut it down because she didn't believe in it for whatever reason after she stepped down did anybody else ever reach out to you have you have have you talked to anybody else or no yeah so some of the reporters that that would like I have

no problem with the reporters that helped me out there was a few of them guys that that really seemed to care and were very Furious that they couldn't do anything about it they actually moved on some of them work for the Crowder show now the stepen Crowder they've moved they've kind of jumped all over the place but them guys really cared about this project especially when they saw how many children were on this site because remember four-year-old data approximately um you know some of these kids were 16 that we can now identify now we see

they're 18 19 so they must have been children when they were members um and they were claiming to be kids at that time so they were selling their bodies to to adults for money on this website and and much more why do you think she didn't go live with it I wish I could tell you I don't know it's not a Title Wave with her words that's not a Title Wave I mean I don't understand why I mean you remember the exact time when she told you it's not a Title Wave I wonder how much

pre how much uh what the timeline was prior to previous to her stepping down would you know the month when did she step down December of 23 December of 23 that would have been so May May 8th is when the Shawn Ryan Show released I remember that because pentester got a ton of traffic at that time um so she m i mean the Shawn Ryan Show being released and then that thing blew up pretty quick so it would have been right around that time so may so it's 7 months later cuz December 11th when she

stepped down yeah something like that yeah yeah well she's going to see this no I I mean if Hannah I I don't get it but uh you know it is what it is that the situation is being handled regardless it's not like it got it got thrown away just project veritus wasn't the group that was able to solve solv it or or investigate further I had to take other avenues which thankfully I'm capable of doing now uh but I didn't have I didn't have the ability to do what I'm what I'm doing now prior to

uh to force like I said Force feeding the public which I didn't even mean to do either just happened that way well no you're everywhere I mean at this point there's nothing you can do about it you're everywhere and we see videos of you 20 million 25 million 30 million 10 you have so many clips that have gone all over the place but let me ask a different question so one of the things you showed a tool was that you can intercept where planes are going and the traffic and you said that's legal you can

do that right however you said you also have the ability to influence it which that's illegal right transmitting on that adsb is illegal illegal okay so we saw three months ago uh or you know couple months ago president Trump assassination attempt on it I say three months ago rob it feels like three months I don't think it was three months ago what was the date July 13th or July 13th okay so we're talking about it's only five weeks that is it's as if it was a year ago right that no one's talking about so July

13 assassination attempt on the president they missed him half an inch away we're having a different conversation today on you know who's running for president on the conservative side we know what happened on the left it could have stayed Joe Biden but we would know we would know who's going to be running on the conservative side he he's had to have emergency Landings being made I think he had to do one Rob if I'm not mistaken I think even J Vance had to do one last week okay is there tools that if somebody was you

know really wanting to do something to manipulate with a plane and a Boeing plane is there tools to be able to hack into planes or no yeah well I mean these planes are are very old um I I'm not saying that that one device that I've showed online is capable of redirecting a Boeing 757 or whatever but uh you know I wouldn't play around either you know I wouldn't be transmitting radio while I'm in a plane trying to mess with the with the Pilot's controls or or their radio um but yeah it would be unreasonable

to think that it's not uh it's not a possibility with the you know think of how old these airplanes are that are flying around if you look at the average age of of just even an American like name name the airline other than spirit and Frontier because they got brand new planes for whatever reason um these planes are 20 plus years old well his plane is 33 years old yeah I mean first flight is 91 technology technology can be upgraded so who knows what the status is when it comes down to plane it's a slightly

different because what you're doing is upgrading the engine sometimes the engines cost 750,000 to a million and a half toay depending on the size of the plane on what it is you know some can go even higher and then on the inside you just want to fix up the place it's like rebuilding a house right and then the tube is the tube it's not like you need to do anything with the tube you know and then tires just like cars tires you can adjust them but technology is different if the if the board is the

same technology as it was 91 now you got a problem there right yeah yeah I would say so well then why do we how about we flip it okay let's say Trump is your uncle you love the guy okay and you want to do anything because you have a good relationship with the guy you want to protect them you got all these tools you got access to what would you do to make sure nothing to minimize the level of threats that he's going to have um I I would probably you know obviously look bet the

people around him like if you mean him being equipment wise I'm talking purely equipment wise on a plane on a plane um I mean you you can't there's not too much that you can do other than monitor like if I I could monitor for for people trying to mess with with with things but I can't so you could monitor somebody trying to hack into the into the plane depending on if it's wireless if it's not wireless then no I mean I would have to have access to the way that to the actual plane itself and

and know how the plane works and I I don't know how Boeing Works electronically um for me to determine if somebody was hacking it or or not so but I mean if I was in that scenario to answer your question if he was my uncle or someone I cared about deep I would figure it out but I don't I don't know enough to to give you an answer like in depth for a guy like you that's a hacker and you know he's got a lot of people that are enemies of his that don't like him

does that at all cross your mind were you concerned about that with playe with like right now today I just for me to come to you today to do the interview I was in Tampa I went to Tampa this morning at 7:45 8: a.m. I did the business that I needed to to do got on a plane flew back the worst probably top three worst flight I've ever been on and I've been on a thousand flights in the last 25 years okay one of the top five worst flights ever you know uh with turbulence it

was very bad like people were about to throw up and it was it was choppy coming in right okay now that's turbulence right it wasn't like it was somebody was manipulating with it it's weather it was bad coming in it's Florida it's a little bit weird M you know it's a 30-minute flight whenever you have a 30-minute flight the problem with a 30-minute flight is your elevation doesn't go that high so you always stay in the middle and in the middle you're right in between the clouds and so it's too many issues to cause it

to be that bad right but for you as a hacker and you're in the community of other people that are in it does the idea of somebody being able to attack it from this angle at all concern you or not really no not at the moment no no I I think that anything is possible but it's my main concerns have been you know a little bit a little bit different I I'm not super educated on like of security around their planes you're not you're not that uh uh on on what the planes like I don't

know what type of software they're running or how they're but you could figure it out if you wanted to yes okay but you're not too worried about it not not at the moment no not a priority of yours so maybe what we need to do is send you to ancestry to see if Trump is an uncle of yours for you to start caring you know for you to you know well hey if they want to hire me to to to check out their planes I'll learn it I'll figure it out that's a different story got

it okay okay um do do you aside from this being your world and this being your interest what other interest do you have like do you study history do you are you do you study spies do you study like different secret intelligence do you study anything like that or what interest do you have I'm it's actually quite surprising so you know computers hacking protecting kids my is my and business is my main my main priorities but when I'm not doing that I love fast cars I love dirt bikes I love dirt uh uh go karts

I like drifting so I build my own drift trikes uh like three- wheel drift trikes um I'm kind of like a hybrid nerd you know I I like computers but I also like the cool the quote unquote cool kids stuff the cool kid stuff I noce you got a nice watch on and thank you you like the nice cars my kids right now we went to the you know the biggest uh Ferrari dealership in the world is down the street here I don't know if you've been to it or not I have been to it

okay I went to it with uh with my my friend Dr Teresa she she loves cars as well Dr Teresa yeah she likes a lot of she likes nice cards yep well good for Dr Teresa did she buy anything or no um no so have you been there lately it's been a long time so they got they what do you like are you a Ferrari or Lambo guy Lambo guy okay you know what you would look good in an orange Lambo with black wheels sound like Nostradamus I don't know I think it's just this this

stuff that you're teach teaching you know sharing something's happening to me and I'm I'm able to kind of predict the future that a car like that I'm by the way I think I had the same exact car just so you know that like literally I think at the end if you if you type in Patrick B David orange Lamborghini if if the picture comes up I swear to God I'm going to crack up Patrick with David orange Lamborghini let's see if it'll come up zoom in just go to images go to images right there uh

there should be one there it is oh that is literally the same car that's it no way you're you're going to love the car is what I'm saying I I have a feeling you're going to love it anyways at this for Lauderdale deal dealership they have um they have SP 1s they have sp2s I don't know if you're familiar with the Manza a little bit they have an sp3 they got a La Ferrari and I think they got an N they got a very very nice collection here the car La Ferraris are crazy if you

like it they got all of that right now if you're that crazy into it so question uh on a couple things cuz because when I think about hacking I think about the world you're in I pulled up a couple things I'm curious on how much of the uh stuff like this you're even into have you ever studied the Franklin child prostitution allegations or no no you don't know much about that okay how familiar are you with the promised software with Robert Maxwell the promise software Robert Maxwell that was sold to other countries that was so

Advanced I mean it definitely rings a bell but I don't know it so I I don't think I know much about it got it yeah for some whatever reason and studying spies and things like that that's not you you're not you're not so you have fairly a simple guy aside from this kind of stuff yeah a lot more simple than people think yeah I mean I thought you're going to be somebody that's a but you know what it is I'm not one of those actually type of guys yeah you're not that guy no well I'm

kind of grateful you're not it's better to be just the way you are because just the way you are is positively impacting the world which is great to see um and and again for parents who are watching this and you're asking yourself man I got a lot of questions for a guy like this on how to be careful with the stuff that's going on he's also on man you can ask him any question you want on man and he will get back to you as well as some of you guys that are business owners who

have some questions for him to want to maybe do a penetration test or find out what other things that he's doing you can also set up a call ask him a question he's also manck Ryan this has been a blast I appreciate you for coming here I will give you the last thoughts on what you want tell the audience before we wrap up thank you and it was an absolute pleasure it's I was super nervous coming on to the show and I know I missed a ton of things but I hope that I was able

to educate people at least a little bit and um and I want to make make you know obviously I I I'm on manck you can reach out to me uh you can reach out to me on other socials uh I go by the a different name zero d y like the digit zero not the word zero um zero day um so feel free to reach out but man as uh for for for your podcast and and for that's your business as well correct yeah so thank you very much for having me on the show thank

you for everything that you're doing and um and yeah stay safe everyone oh man appreciate you hey guys my name is Ryan Montgomery also known as zero day I'm proud to be part of the app man if you have any questions regarding child safety cyber security or even any of the gadgets that you see me use all over the Internet feel free to reach out I'd be happy to help you with any any questions or concerns you may have stay safe