The Bloodline of Cain (illuminati, sacred sciences, & freemasonry) w/Gary Wayne

Everything that's written in the Bible is important; they're there for a reason. What the opposing adversarial forces do is copy everything that God has done, creating a counterfeit. You have two Enochs: one is the son of Cain, the firstborn son, and then you have the son of Jared in the Seth line, which comes several generations later. Jake, my brain's just breaking like everybody else's right now. I look at what happens in Eden as the first revenge so that the Adamites cannot reach their destiny to be raised up like angels. The Giants created all of

the wars and the technology of the wars with this knowledge that merged with the seven sciences, and that the violence imposed on the world is not only against humans but also against themselves—Isar and the Nephilim. If they were to meet with Jesus and do battle, what would happen? The fallen angels would be gone. Whatever happens to immortal beings, they're afraid of Him. Yeah, they're afraid of them. Absolutely, and they don't want to encounter Jesus before they have to. They created the Giants to enslave humankind and to wipe them from the face of the Earth. Hey

guys, before you get into this one, I have to tell you this is one of my favorite episodes of all time. I feel like I say that sometimes, but every time I’ve said it, it’s because it’s changed my worldview so much just by being in the room. So I want to prep you real fast for what you’re about to experience. Pound for pound, this is one of the more dense episodes—there’s a lot happening, and it comes very quickly. I’m with my new friend, Gary, who has written multiple books on this subject, and so I just

want to let you know this one might be one of those that you occasionally need to pause because being in the room, like, I had to hit pause several times just to gather all of it together. We talk about pre-flood history, we talk about post-flood history, we talk about secret societies, and we talk a little bit about the armor of God and how that can prepare you—just things you need to know. So enjoy this one, go at it slow. This man was an atheist, okay? Like he was a prince of evolution. He didn’t care at

all. He was raised Christian, thought that was dumb, decided he didn’t want to believe it anymore, and then just randomly one night he started studying. Similar to when you read books like "A Case for Christ," you see these people who start studying, and there was so much data he couldn’t refute it. He read the gospels, and it all made sense. There was too much data for him to be an atheist anymore, so he gave his life to Jesus. We’re going to go through just a bit of that story and what it looks like for you

to gain understanding the godly way, and it changes your worldview. So enjoy it. I love you, and let us know what you think. Everyone wants to get to the high places, but if you want to go high, you first have to go deep. What’s up? Welcome back to the Deep End! We’re here with a genius—you’re going to love this episode. I want to give credit where it’s due. Every once in a while, I’ll read something, I’ll see somebody's interview, I’ll just hear them, and you can tell almost instantly that someone has not only been given

a gift of understanding but has worked really, really hard to be able to teach it to other people. So we have Gary Wayne hailing from Canada. We flew him all the way across the continent to be here, and then we’re stuck in the snow, but we’re doing this interview; it’s happening no matter what. Gary is the author of two bestselling books: "The Genesis 6 Conspiracy, Part One: How Secret Societies and the Descendants of Giants Plan to Enslave Humankind"—no big deal— and then "The Genesis, Part Two: How Understanding Prehistory and Giants Helps Define the End Time

Prophecy." You call yourself a Christian contrarian, which immediately made me love you. Why is that? Why do you call yourself that? Yeah, so you can become a contrarian in one of two ways. I do both. The way that I sort of have defined it for who I am and how I look at things, and how I go about things, is that I do not trust what somebody tells me or what somebody says they saw or what they said somebody wrote. I like to verify everything for myself, so I do that in all of my research.

When I do that, it sort of puts me in a natural disposition of standing up against standard dogma and the status quo. So whether or not it was through the research or just my gut feeling, I end up being one of those ones that says, "Well, have you thought about this?" or "Have you thought about that?" That’s why I call myself a Christian contrarian. But I want people to know as well that anything I’m going to talk about, I’m going to have researched, and I’m going to be able to back it up in ways that

people generally haven’t heard before or prepared for. When I speculate, I speculate… And I tell people, I speculate, right, so that they know the difference. Nice. I'm going to turn my notifications off real fast; I'm sorry about that. My team from the business doesn't understand that I'm recording a podcast, so they're texting me. Okay, tell us how you got into this. You said, uh, you were in a drunken stupor wandering around Vancouver? Yeah, yeah. Who would think I would end up here? Um, so where did it begin? Back in about 1980 or ’81, I was

living in Calgary at the time, and my brother and his friend came over to visit on a Friday night. We started getting into the beers, and late into the evening they started to talk about false prophets and the Antichrist. I was somewhat aware of the Antichrist; I certainly had never heard of the false prophet at that time. Were you a Christian at this point? Uh, no, I was full-blown brainwashed and totally into evolutionary secular science, the whole bit. I was raised a Christian, but by the time I reached my teens, the peer pressure and education

had totally pushed me to say that's nonsense, and I was going to go with the way of the world and the wisdom of the world. So at this point in time, I was thinking, “Well, this is kind of a weird conversation.” They keep going and going, and then one of them, late in the evening, says to me, “How much courage do you have?” And, of course, I'm like 20 or 21 years old, and I said, “Well, of course I've got a lot of courage; bring it on, right? What is it?” They surprised me, and the

question was, “If you have enough courage, we would like you to read a book.” I had no idea what book they were talking about. Lots of books were running through my head—maybe even the Bible, because they were talking about the Antichrist. The book they said was *The Late Great Planet Earth*. You need to read this. It was by the late, just recently late, Hal Lindsay, who was just an astounding writer and way ahead of his time on prophecy in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. So I took the challenge, and I read the book. It scared

the socks off of me. I knew a couple of things at that point in time: if even only 10% of what he said was true, I needed to pay attention to this. Secondly, I needed to know whether or not he was telling the truth or was he speculating or distorting the information. You can look up in a Bible fairly quickly the passages that he's quoting, and that looked to me to be accurate, but I needed more than that. I'm a contrarian, yeah, and the only way you can do that is you have to become an

expert on the Bible to understand whether or not he's being accurate or not. For the most part, I think he was; there are some things that we might, you know, disagree on, but only the nuances, not the main sort of thrust, and certainly not significant, I don’t think. So the only way to do that is I had to read the Bible, and then you find out that’s a little bit larger task than one is prepared for. The Old Testament just was killing me with the details and all the minutiae of it, and at that time,

I wasn’t ready for the understanding that everything that’s written in the Bible is important; it’s there for a reason. But I got through it, and I got to the first four gospels, and by the time I finished—and before, but by the time I was finished with the Book of John—I’m going, “Uh-oh, this is not human. This individual, Jesus, is talking in insane ways that are just sort of blowing my mind.” This can't be from a normal human; he has to be who he says he is. So that sort of says, “Okay, that’s given me enough

to go back and finish the Bible, but now do proper research.” I thought, “I’m going to track every prophecy narrative in the Bible because I want to know whether or not he’s taken it out of context.” So I get out my highlighters, then I find out I don’t have enough colors. Then I get more colors. Then I find out I still don’t have enough colors. Then I’m going, “Well, okay, this is a lot bigger project than I anticipated again.” So I start getting files in. I start to handwrite every prophecy, dividing it into specific narratives,

and prophecy has many narratives that help with the larger chronology and the bigger picture. I start putting those into files, then I start to add some other passages that I think are important that I want and put those in the files. This is before computers, right? Or they're just starting to come in, but nobody has, except for a few people, any personal computers, and they're probably the size of this room at that time (just kidding; they're a little smaller than that). In the ’80s, yeah, and they didn’t have a lot of capacity either. So when

you do that, you know, you run across Genesis 6 fairly quickly into the Bible, and it's talking about giants, and I’m going, “Whatever that is, I don’t want anything to do with that. That’s not what I’m here for, and that’s crazy stuff,” and I’m going to ignore it. But to get all the prophecy narratives tracked, I found I had to go back through the Bible many times, and because you're not sure what you're looking for, what... You're identifying when you find another prophecy track that lights up a whole bunch of other areas that need to

go back. So I had to go through many times to log that, and at one point in time, I decided, "Well, you know, we've got these giants showing up more than in Genesis 6. They seem to be connected to fallen angels; they seem to be connected to demons, and we've got some prophetic passages that are related to them. So I better start writing some of these down." I didn’t get them all the first few times as well, because you don’t realize how much information is there until you get into it. So that's what I did,

and that took me up to about 1995—14 years. Yeah, and then I decided, "You know, I could probably write 14 or 15 prophecy books." Yeah, but I’m not thinking about writing the book that I did. I have my own sort of agenda because I'm a pretty stiff-necked individual, as it turns out, and I'm a contrarian. So I guess that's—you’re such a rare breed because you’re a Canadian contrarian; I didn’t think those existed. So, yeah, everybody was sort of, you know, going like this—you know, like, "Get away from—what are you researching? What are you talking about?

Stop it; don't!" So I decided I would try and write a short book. I—I don’t have a university education. I'm not a minister. I've not gone to seminary school. I have no platform. I've never even tried to write a book before, but I’m successful in business. But that still doesn’t give you a platform to write a book. So I thought, "Well, can I write a book? Would I be published? Would anybody buy it? Would anybody like it?" And so I thought I’d write a short book. As it turned out, somewhere along the road to the

Coliseum, so to speak, things changed because I wrote a book that I thought would be fun to do and just tried to write a story. I thought, "I'm going to try and connect Genesis 6 to Revelation," and so I did that fairly quickly because I had all the material there. Yeah, so it was about 10 chapters, and then I thought, because before I started on this pursuit, I was a passionate history buff and a mythology buff. So I understood that what Genesis 6 is talking about is told in cultures all over the world. I thought

Christians might find it interesting to find that there are parallel accounts, whether they're counterfeited or their polytheist parallels understood through a polytheist lens versus a monotheist lens. It might give a little bit more solace to this, you know, pre-flood event that it's a common history in the world and it's a common legacy that we have. And so I decided that I would start putting in some Greek mythology, and then I thought, "Well, maybe some Sumerian mythology," and then some Egyptian. Then I thought I should put as much as I can in there, and I put

as much as I could. I was sort of limited and kind of stuck, thinking, "Okay, so I’ve put all of these references in there," and some of the Greek ones are just fantastic in relation to Genesis 6, like the Atlantis account. And so then I thought, "Well, if I'm going to put this in, I need to give some context. I need to show them what the culture was like." To do that, you have to learn about the religions. Well, I mean, I just read the Bible; that's all I had read before. And look how long

that took! I thought, “I don’t want to do this,” but it doesn’t go away. There's like this calling, as I talk about in the preface, that just won’t leave me alone. So I read the Vedas and the Upanishads and all of the subcontinent of India's literature on religions. I read all the Gnostic accounts. I read the Puevu, I read the Book of Mormon— I read everything I could get my hands on, and I’m making notes to see what I can use for this context. As I’m doing that, I realize there's a reference to mystery schools

that is part of the education process of the elite all around the world in the four-class system that they have populated in the first two classes with this education. And so I thought, "I have to learn more about mystery schools." Then I realized the secret societies take their beginnings back to the mystery schools. Mhm. And then I thought, "Well, I don’t know anything about secret societies." So I've been down two major rabbit holes here, and I’m seeing a pattern. Yeah. Yeah. And so then I went down for almost a decade researching secret societies because there's

just so much information out there, and I just kept finding more and more information. At some point in time, I had to come up and say, "Okay, how does this make sense?" So it went from 10 chapters to 98 chapters, and you might as well call that 100 because I have a preface and an epilogue in it, and I left out over 300 pages. Wow, yeah, because goodness! I wanted to be able to get it published. I'm a high-risk, I'm unknown, no platform, and high cost. So this is not a good intersection to try and

sell on somebody to publish your book, let alone the story I want to tell. Yeah, okay. I have questions. I think we all do. When, um, when we do these types of episodes, we usually end up having tech issues. So I'm going to make sure we're good; mics are good, cameras are good, we are totally good, um, all around. Everything looks great. I'm sure you've experienced that before, where it's like you're about to say something incredible, and then boom, the camera shuts down. Yeah, it’s amazing how many crazy things happen, right? Okay, so I want

to go back because when you read Cain and Abel, Cain's worried that other people are going to kill him, and there are no other people—like, who is he talking about? And then all of a sudden, it’s like giants are like mating whales and stuff. What happens? Like, what happens from Cain to the Watchers and the Nephilim? Where’s all this stuff at? Can we give a little bit of context for people that don’t know this part of the Bible, what you're talking about? Sure, from me or from Gary? From you. Yeah, you have Cain and Abel,

who are the sons of Adam and Eve. Cain kills Abel, and then God judges Cain. Cain is worried that if God doesn’t protect him, then other people will kill him. But at this point in the story, we only know about Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel, so we don’t know who he’s talking about. So God has to basically, what, mark him? Yeah, with something to protect him. And then it seems like the story kind of lurches forward, and all of a sudden, there’s evil everywhere, and there’s just a bunch of giants. Well, and why did Cain

kill Abel? Can you speak to that real fast? Cain killed Abel because he’s a dumbass. Um, you may be able to add more context for that, but for my purposes, Cain’s an idiot. He got jealous, and he killed his brother. Right? Is there more to it than that? Is he just— There’s always more to the story. Okay, take us through it. There's always more to the story. He wants to know why Cain would kill someone. I want to know what happens. No, I just—it’s just the principle that you've talked about. Not everybody's read that part

of the Bible, and so if we don’t know why Cain killed Abel, we don’t understand why God wouldn’t like Cain very much and wouldn’t want to protect him. Just go to ChatGPT and ask why Cain killed Abel. Great. Um, alright. Yes, so very interesting information and questions are raised as you read Genesis 1, Genesis 2, all the way through to Genesis 6. And as a contrarian, I don’t like things that I don’t understand or might be obscure. So when I look at the story of Cain and Abel, and all of a sudden the offering is

not accepted by God, I want to know why. I want to know why, when he’s ostracized, he has to have a mark because the standard Christian dogma is there’s nobody else in the world, right? And there won’t be anybody else in the world until after Seth is born. And Seth is born when Adam is 130 years old, according to Genesis 5. And then, sometime later—and we’re not told how long later—more daughters and sons are born. So after he’s ostracized and he has a mark for protection from we don’t know whom, he finds a wife in

Nod, east of Eden, that shouldn’t be there. And I'll come back to that in just a second. And then he builds a city for people who ought not to be there. And you build cities in prehistory, both before and after the flood, typically with walls; that’s why you built the cities. And then you know, agrarian societies and elements around for protection. Protection from who? So, all of these questions are racing through my mind as I'm trying to understand the early part of Genesis. And so it starts with either Cain has already rebelled and turned before

the first offerings, and we understand, or it’s because of the offerings. I think it’s both. And when I look at this as being the first offerings of their adulthood—the first event in adulthood in the Bible comes between 20 and 40 years old, and it’s a series of processes. So there’s an age of, like, 25 for priesthood, for example, as you move through that adult period. So this is the first offerings of the first offspring after Adam and Eve were ostracized from the Garden of Eden. And then you have Cain's offering rejected, and we’re not given

any context. We are, but we don’t understand. We are; it will come later in the Bible, and because of that rejection, he becomes so jealous of Abel that he murders him. Why? Probably because of the covenants and the inheritance rights that are going to come down after this incident through Seth and then to Noah and then to Abraham. It’s a process for the creation of the Adamites to be a resolution to the angelic rebellion in the greater picture. But I want to stay a little bit more focused on the question that you answered, because it's

such an important creation of how Adam and Eve are created and then the story with Cain and Abel. So understanding that this is a direct predecessor of what’s going to ultimately become the Holy Covenant, we get the covenant laws and requisites and feasts and offerings in the Holy Covenant with Israel and with the first fruit—with the harvest. There’s a first fruit offering that’s part of it. Also, partially prophetic as well, they're there to keep, uh, to have Israel reminded of what their destiny is. The first fruits are the first of what is ripe with vegetables

or the firstborn of the animals, and so we're told clearly that Abel offers the first fruits, but it doesn't show Cain offering the first fruits; that he kept those for himself, and with that, he becomes rejected. With that, he's going to lose what we would see come down in its fulfillment as part of the resolution to the Angelic Rebellion: the birthright blessings, the birthright inheritance, and the Magenic promise. Those are significant things that are at play that we're going to get explained a little bit more about as the Bible unfolds. So there's only two, and

he's lost. He's going to try and eliminate his rival and becomes rejected, but it doesn't answer who he is afraid of, and it doesn't answer why he would even be afraid of future generations. Like, would they even know who he is? The Earth is a large place; when would they ever find him, right? And would they recognize him? But clearly, there's a threat. So, who is this threat? As a contrarian, I want to know where the people came from that he intermarried with because they're not supposed to be there. Even if you look at the

Eden account, we don't get a timeline in there, but it seems to be not very long. So even if you apply 40 years to that, and even if you took adulthood to 40 years with Adam and Cain, you're only at 80. It's 130 years before Seth is born, so you still have a disparity there. And I don't believe the Bible is in contradiction; I just don't believe that, and I've never found that. I find we put preconceived conclusions on the Bible—assumptions, then, yeah, assumptions—and then we try and wedge everything else in. Anything we can't, we

ignore, and that's not a process that sits well with a contrarian. So the only way I can reconcile that is that there's two different creations: one in Day Six, one in Genesis 2. If you look at the details in Genesis 2 versus Genesis 1, they're in conflict; they don't mix up. For me, the Bible should not be in contradiction. So you have things like, you can eat anything you want from every tree, and you're to multiply and spread around the Earth in Genesis 1, but you're not allowed to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge

of Good and Evil, and you're not spreading around the Earth; you're placed in Eden. By the way, they're created male and female in multiple, in great numbers, and told to populate, while there's only Adam. At some point in time, Eve is created later, and he's created differently than what happens in Genesis 1. You have Jehovah of the Elohim being introduced versus just Elohim, although Jehovah is there with the Hebrew word "Amar" when God speaks. The cognate term for Jehovah of the Elohim, the "word of God," is the "logos" of the "Theos" in Greek, so it's

the cognate term in a different language. He's introduced in Genesis 2:4, the creation of Adam, or "Lord God," as it's translated. He breathes His Spirit into Adam for a special commission. So, are there two Adams, or is it just—like, how does that reconcile? Well, you have male and female created at the same time in Genesis 1, so you also have the word "man," which is "adam," that’s used. It's a different "adam" in the Hebrew concordance, but Adam in Genesis 2 is a derivative of the "adam" that's listed sort of generically in Genesis 1. The same

species, perhaps a different race, and perhaps there are three or four races; Adam will be one of the four races, but he's created for a specific purpose. You have all these, and there's more. I have documents; one of the most popular documents I have is asked for by people. If they get a hold of me through the website, be patient; I will get back to you, and I detail all of the differences and take everything back to the Hebrew. You can see the differences there. And it's not Day 8; there's no Day 8. Another interesting

thing that crops up is that sometime after Day 7, you have this creation with the genealogies, or the "toledot" of Adam, for a specific reason which isn’t part of Genesis 1. Some people will say, "Well, it's additional information." I agree with that notion that the Bible has, but it's never in contradiction; it adds more information, but directionally, it's perfectly consistent. This is not. I also look at 2 Peter 3 as a very revealing passage on this. It raises another interesting thing that happened in Eden as well, where a day is like a thousand years. So,

if one day is a thousand years, and the people in Day Six are created at the end of Day Six according to the narrative, then you have the beasts of the field that are created before—they could have been created up to a thousand years before. So roll that forward to Genesis 3 with the serpent, the Nahash serpent, which is rooted in another Hebrew word "nahash," meaning a sorcerer, necromancer, wizard, priest—words like that from polytheism—will be the one that deceives Eve and is present before Eve. By the nature of being a piece... To the field, as

the serpent is talked about in Genesis 3:1 and the Order of Creation in Day Six, so they could have been there up to a thousand years before—possibly even longer if there’s another gap after Day Seven, of which we don’t know how long it would be. That creates a scenario where, if they are priests of polytheism, they may be the religion of the people that Adam is going to run into in Nod. Now, all of a sudden, Cain—I'm sorry, Cain—when he is ostracized and moves off to Nod, all the answers to the questions I have are

there. However, I can't answer those questions without dealing with the details. The only way I can line up the contradictions, even in the creation order, is different, so you could even speculate there was some sort of disaster after Day Seven but before the Adam account—that's almost another restart. I would take people back to Ecclesiastes 1 when we’re trying to understand prehistory. In Ecclesiastes 1, it talks about "Nothing is new under the sun; what was will be again." As you read on in that, it says the understanding of this only brings grief and sorrow, and this

is very important as we look back from where we are today. If nothing is new under the sun, what was going on back then? You start to ask more questions and go a little bit deeper. So I think where the people of Nod come from are the people of Day Six, and that's where the four races come from. Got it. Okay, I have a question about that. I want to make a quick statement for people watching, if I can. If you’re a new Christian, or if you’re just kind of brand new—because sometimes we’ll go into

topics that are super deep like this, and people are like, "All you have to do is just believe in Jesus," and it’s like, "Yes, I get it. None of this should change your viewpoint of the main things," right? Like, Jesus is at the top of the totem pole; He’s coming back. You can, like, I—you're married. You love your wife. Do you know where your wife is like right now? Can you confidently say you know exactly where she’s at and what she's doing? Hopefully. Hopefully. But maybe not; she might be getting groceries, she might be at

home. Exactly. But you know there’s a hierarchy here, where like the pursuit of details does not overrule the main thing. And so, I don’t want anybody to get lost in this; it shouldn’t change like Jesus is king. Do you know what I’m trying to say? Yeah, exactly. This should increase your faith, exactly. And that you are now able to answer questions that the deceivers and those trying to seed gaps between yourself and God, and create wedge issues within Christianity to eat away at your faith, will be able to answer these questions. Yes, and so I

think that we need to understand if it is the word of God, it’s going to be in perfection. Yep, and that the answers are there for us, but we have to ask the right questions and then believe what we’re reading 100%. And so this just sort of opens up a better understanding of the antediluvian world. For people not familiar with the term, this big word for “before the flood,” I might say post-diluvian, that’s also “after the flood.” We start to get a context as to what's going on in this world, where you have one individual

that’s selected to be a deliverer, which is a common motif in the Bible. So you have Noah who’s going to be selected, you have Abraham who’s going to be selected, you have Moses that’s going to be selected, and the true chosen one will come through that genealogy, manifesting in flesh as being the Word of God. So you keep mentioning four races. I don’t know what those are. Well, we would understand them in just sort of a color fashion—maybe not as politically correct as what people would understand. Got it, so it's the—it’s literal race, that's what

you're talking about? Yeah, literal race of humans. Got it. As opposed to a different species, and it answers the question to a certain degree as to how the races show up again after the flood, because you haven’t accounted for extra races before the flood. How do they show up after the flood? And we were told there are only eight on the ark, but the wives are unnamed, so the wives likely represent the four races and why they show up after the flood. Even Cush is associated with the black race immediately after the flood and with

Africa, so it starts to make some sense that those genes would come with the wives. Got it. Well, I've never thought about that before. Neither have I. That would explain—have you been thinking about that for a while? Jake, I’ve been just dwelling on it every morning at 6 a.m. Well, it answers another question: why is Eve the mother of all living if we have all of these other races that show up after the flood, but the lineage we get is from probably one of those races? Yeah, okay, so Cain is afraid of potentially these polytheistic

civilizations that exist elsewhere. One of the things I found fascinating—and it did take me a while to understand that you... We're not calling Enoch evil, uh, in your book. I was like, what's this man got against Enoch? Enoch was a prophet. Maybe Gary doesn't know what he's talking about, but then I was like, you're talking about two Enochs. Um, so there's this—there are two different Enochs; one is from Cain, one is from Seth. Can you unpack that? Yeah, every detail in the Bible is important for us to understand. So we have two genealogies that are

shown in the Book of Genesis. One is the genealogy of Adam, uh, that is going to be shown starting at the end of Genesis 4, but then completed in Genesis 5. Cain is shown to us in Genesis 4 and his genealogy, and that, uh, you have names that are phonetically similar with some of the names in each of those genealogies of those original patriarchs. Some of them are identical, so you have two Enochs. One is the son of Cain, the firstborn son, um, and an important figure; then you have the son of Jared in the

Sethian line, which comes several generations later. You also have two LCHs. One produces to Bcan—it's literally a counterfeit. You have one, the ecclesiastic one, and then you have a copy. Yeah, and again, that's not an unusual thing, but it's important for Christians to understand that Cain is going to turn and worship the pantheon of gods—the fallen angels—and is going to try and lead the whole world away from God. So you're going to have a counterfeit religion being introduced that Cain is going to be responsible for. The knowledge that Cain learns from Adam while in Eden,

while Adam is in Eden, he's got to run this incredible agrarian operation from the Nile to the Euphrates, from Mount Hermon to the Sea of Aqaba, the Red Sea, and the Indian Ocean that's on the south. If you look at the Hebrew of the words, 'cause the English isn't giving you the full context, uh, he is growing orchards; he is growing crops of all sorts; he is raising domesticated animals of all different kinds, and there's only one of them. And then, at some point in time, Eve is created to help him out. So he's going

to have to have knowledge to be able to do this, and he's going to pass this knowledge of the agrarian understanding on to Cain, who is going to go to Nod to meet with people who aren't living in a city. These are hunters and gatherers as we kind of look at the language in Genesis 1, and he's going to introduce the agrarian society, teach them. And that has a terrific, um, coinciding with history of the start of the agrarian society in writing, uh, and in Sumeria, because he's going east of Egypt, which is towards the

other side of the Euphrates River. And so everything starts to make some perfect sense when we start to understand these details, and it's a counterfeit religion. What the opposing adversarial forces do is they copy everything that God has done; they create a counterfeit of it. So we'll even have that rolling forward into the end time with an Antichrist figure, which is the opposite or a counterfeiting of the true Messiah, and everything that happens through the polytheist forces is to counterfeit that and to lead people away from God with that deception. At what point do the

Watchers come on the scene? Well, Watchers are on the scene from the beginning. Oh, okay. Um, are they sleeping with women from the beginning, or do they... Okay, that we're aware of. Um, and who knows what happened before maybe this gap that's between day seven in Eden? Or when people get into the Hebrew of the language in Genesis 1, I won't spend a lot of time on this, but that word was void and formless. It's the Hebrew word "ha," which can be translated as "became," and there's a whole bunch of other information that comes with

that. Yeah, and if that was a destruction, then you have a renewal of the earth; and if you had to do that, you would have to resear the waters from the below to the waters of the above, as described to create the heaven and underneath, uh, for life to be, to be created in Genesis 1. So when we look at the Watchers, when did they rebel? We don't know. But we know that Satan has rebelled by the time he's working with the serpent, Nash, to deceive Eve. And if there was a thousand years before humans

in day six, there's at least a thousand years where these individual beings were worshiping the fallen angels. So you might—you can make a case through connecting dots and a bit of speculation that this religion may have even been in place before Cain comes along. Right, somewhere else. Somewhere else, yes. And so the fallen angels, um, I look at what happens in Eden as the first revenge, so that the Adamites cannot reach their destiny to be raised up like angels, uh, to judge angels for the crimes that they've committed against us and to be the inheritors

of eternity. And so they're trying to prevent that. By Genesis 6 is when we get the understanding of Watchers, as they're talked about in polytheist accounts. But we do get Watchers in the Bible, listed in Daniel 4, four times in the KJV. And Watchers—that's the Hebrew word "air," which means to watch, um, to be a watcher angel, and comes from the Hebrew word "ir," which means to be awake. So you look at the Book of... Enoch puts four groups of Watchers around the Throne of God: you have the archangels, you have the seraphim, you have

the trum, and then you have the ofanim, which comes from those wheel angels in Ezekiel 1:13 and 10. The word for wheel is the Hebrew word "galgal," but the trum-like angels have a face of a trum as well; so something slightly distinct is the Hebrew word "ofan." But on the "I am" male, as in seraphim, you get the ofanim that the Book of Enoch talks about. These Watchers in the Book of Enoch are noted as the ones who produced the giants with human females, and in Genesis 6, we get the sons of God, which are

doing the same thing. The sons of God are noted as angels in Job 6; excuse me, Job 28, and the scripture is in Job 38:4-7. At the beginning of creation, before humans were created, the sons of God and the morning stars were dancing and celebrating for joy. Psalm 104 as well presents an interesting parallel for Genesis 1, particularly when God sends His Spirit; you have a renewal of the earth. Angels are created in Psalm 104 as part of the additional details to Genesis 1. These are not humans; these are understood in the Old Testament as

sons of God, who are the Watchers. The Watchers in Daniel 4 come from the Throne of God, being in charge of the governance of the world. The seraphim are in charge of the religious aspect, and the kingships, or the government, as part of their authority. These are serpent-faced seraphim, six-winged dragon angels that work before the altar of God and actually serve as ministers there. They pull a stone out in Isaiah 6 to put on Isaiah's lips to take the sin away in preparation for the vision he's about to receive. So when we look at these

Watchers, it has a lot of context for the sons of God, and they are the same ones because "sons of daughters," just as the Book of Enoch uses a term for the Watchers as a whole. The sons of God are not Elohim; the sons of God are Watchers. Well, you can use it both ways. So the understanding of Elohim is God and angel, and the God Most High. Okay, so depending on how it's used, in the uppercase "Elohim," it would be a singular application—the God Most High; what we would know as El Elyon. Right? Yeah.

And if it's in lowercase "el," it is the singular one for a god or an angel. Elohim, in lowercase, would refer to multiple angels or multiple gods. Got it? So when you look at the Babylonian pantheon or even the Hindu religion, it’s Elohim—multiple gods—which could be multiple fallen angels that are kind of grouped together similarly in a similar function. Or am I reading too much into that? No, you're right on that. If we look at both before and after the flood, you have two different pantheons of gods. You have parent gods that reign before the

flood, and then you have offspring gods after the flood. For people not familiar with that term, let's use the Greek pantheon: you would have Kronos and Gaea as the male and female parent gods before the flood. In all pantheons around the world, the offspring gods overthrow the parent gods. So, in this case, Zeus is the offspring god, and then he has a different pantheon that he rules from. You can't kill gods because they're immortal by definition, but you can send them to the pit, prison, Hades, or Sheol. Yes, okay. Otherworld, Artha, known by a thousand

different terms all around the world, but all talking about the same place. So you have different vernacular names for the various gods in the pantheon around the world, but they're all the same. If we roll forward to post-Diluvian pantheons that people might be familiar with, I'll just use the male god Zeus, who is the same as Osiris and the same as Baal in the Bible. El is the parent god before the flood. Got it? Right. So, El and Asherah were the two famous ones creating giants before the flood, but it’s Baal and Anath after the

flood who move up and take over that council of the gods that the Ugaritic text talks about, or Baalim, as they talk about in the Bible, to rule over the 70 nations of the world both before and after the flood. When we look at this notion of fallen angels being gods, these are fallen angels, and that term comes from, I think, a couple of different ways, all ending up meaning the same sort of thing. In Isaiah 14, where you have Satan, "Hillel Ben Shachar" (not Lucifer, should be "Hillel"), that's an Italian word inserted into the

English language for the Hebrew word "heylel" or "L." Typically, angels have a name ending in "el," like Michael or Gabriel. It's just funny that it's "Hillel." Yeah, it's not a coincidence. L = God; he’s not L. There are so many ways. Alright, hold on, and part of the Morning Star order is one of his attributes. But I’ll just sort of kind of get back on track. Okay, don’t take a drink of water until he finishes. Okay, good then. We're going to have to take a break so people can, like, not die. Yeah, we'll keep going.

I'm about maxed out, and I let my brain settle, but this is amazing. So, in this passage in Isaiah 14, that's when Satan falls from heaven. Just as in Luke 10:18, Jesus verifies, testifies, that he saw Satan fall from lightning from heaven. Yeah, that word "fall" or "fell" is the Hebrew word "naf," which is the source word for "Nephilim," so it carries some of the meaning with it. Nephilim means a giant, a tribe of giants, a bully, or a tyrant, all reflecting descriptions of the giants—not different meanings. When you put the male plural on "nafal,"

you get the "Naim," which are the "Naim of the shamim," or the heavenly ones. Now we understand, if we have that understanding, we have the same polytheistic religion around the world with the same rituals and the same hierarchy, just with different vernacular and local rituals. Yikes! Jake, my brain's just breaking, like everybody else's right now. I've been living a lie, essentially, and I have to restart. Yeah, let's just give everyone like 10 seconds. I'm changing where I want to go based on this. Thank you for being a genius, by the way. I don't even know

where to start! Thank God you two are here, and Taylor, you understand more of what he's saying than I do—'cause I'm—no, not really. Um, okay, got it. Can I ask something based off? It's going to bring us into practical, if that's okay. Let's—yeah, hold on. Wait! Before we go practical, that's boring. Um, I know one more thing: is hell L. Satan at the top of this hierarchy, the rank and file? Yeah, he would be set above the council of the gods that Psalms 82 talks about. These are the sons of the Most High—so sons of

Elon, sons of God is essentially the same term. The "mighty" there, the council of the mighty, is the Hebrew word "el," so "el" can be used for "mighty" as well as part of its meaning. But "mighty," in this case, is referring to those sons of God. You have that cognate term in the council of the gods that’s being used in Genesis 6 as well, and for other connections, just to put it on the record for people: in the Old Testament, angels were referred to as angels (number one), stars (number two), as an allegory for the

host of heaven and in the sky, and they can be called sons of God, and they can also be called the host, which is the host of heaven. "Host" is the Hebrew word "saba," meaning an army of angels, which has rank and order. So these terms are used interchangeably throughout the Old Testament—hosts and stars, angels and the host, morning stars and sons of God. This is just a few examples of how they're used, but they're used over and over so that we understand who these beings are in the Old Testament. Got it. Okay, I know

where I want to go from here, but you can take practical—no, you go. You go. Okay, so here's where we're at so far: Cain is rejected; therefore, Cain chooses to worship this pantheon, polytheistic type of society. Out of the lineage of Cain comes Enoch, the evil Enoch. The evil, as he created writing, correct? Like he was the one that kind of discovered writing? Yeah, so Adam is going to teach all of his knowledge to Enoch, and he is going to create what is known in Gnosticism and the secret societies as the seven sacred sciences. Enoch,

the evil, splits those into what we would know as the seven sciences today. Arts and sciences are the same term in the ancient world. So grammar, for example, arithmetic, geometry, astronomy—those types of things that are used today have the same agenda: to lead people away from God, to not give God credit for anything, to slander God, and to honor their pantheon of the gods. This is why what we see on university campuses even to this day with secret societies like Alpha House, Beta House, and the pseudo Blue Blood Ivy League, you would have the Skull

and Bones. As you move up into sort of the bloodlines in terms of the education and the secret societies, he creates these disciplines. Then he creates mysticism before the flood that I call Enohean mysticism, and he creates the sun and bull-worshiping cult of mysticism. This becomes the worldwide religion, or you could also argue, from what we were talking about before, that part of this religious aspect was already there and it becomes sort of a merged kind of religion that becomes the most standardized religion in the world. This is the knowledge that has to be protected

as it’s being developed from the Sethites. Not that Seth doesn’t have knowledge, but he’s going to only use knowledge for the use of good, not for evil. This knowledge is going to then merge with knowledge that is provided in polytheist accounts all around the world—the knowledge from the gods for civilization. That is the knowledge in The Book of Enoch—that’s the illicit knowledge that is going to provide, be provided, that’s going to merge with the seven sciences, which will then merge with the creation of the giants and create this Nephilim hegemony, Nephilim world order, so to

speak, before the flood that’s going to... Be using the organizational structure of that government, uh, government of the four-class system that they're going to introduce, and Enoch mysticism to control the world. They're going to develop this knowledge to a point where you have to bring about the flood. But I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself in terms—just setting the picture of what's going on before the flood. There are multiple civilizations; likely, biblically, we look at it as a Sumerian society, anti-Deluvian Sumerian, because it's just noted. But when we look at polytheist accounts, they have

four civilizations, seven civilizations, nine civilizations, maybe even more. Biblically, we're not told about those multiple civilizations, but I think we should be open to the possibility that there was more than just one civilization because Cain could have migrated anywhere in the world, and he still would have needed that mark for protection. I want to jump forward for just a quick second, but I want us to not get lost in it because I want to jump forward and then jump backward to pre-flood, just so people understand the validity and importance of this. There is data embedded

into history, and you've connected everything together based on what you see from the data in history. Is it your belief that these Nephilim are still operating today and attempting to recreate what they had before? Yeah, we need to keep in mind that nothing is new under the sun. As we move into the last days, we need to understand that it will be like the days of Noah, both before and after the flood. Noah lived 600 years before the flood and 350 years after the flood, so we can expect there was a regeneration of what happened

after the flood before the flood, shortly after the flood, and it has been trying to represent itself all the way through the post-deluvian epoch. We'll come to a full resolution in the last fig tree generation and the last years as well. So, yes, the simple answer is yes to that, and if we're at the technology level that we are today and it's still progressing—if we're not in the last seven years, I think we might be in the fig tree generation still in the sorrows. If we are, I think we might be in the fig tree

generation. What does that mean? Well, Jesus laid down a chronological order of events in Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17, and 21; after he gives his chronological order of events that starts with the sorrows, the birth pains—which is an allegory to understand that generation—he then gives you two more allegories to understand the generation after the sequence of events with the fig tree generation and all the events that he said would be fulfilled in that generation. Heaven and earth will pass away, but his words won't pass away. Then we're told it's going to be like the

days of Noah, so those are the three overarching signs for the sequence of events that will happen in the end time. So, if we're just catching up to the anti-deluvian technology that they had, an ability that's even more than what we have—that we're being, I think, to a certain degree, helped with—it starts to explain things. Now, when we roll back to before the flood, in the details, understand that the creation of the giants is in the preamble to the flood story; it's partly the context for it. Noah is introduced at the end of Genesis 5.

Giants are created in Genesis 6:1-4, and Noah is reintroduced with his sons again and his commission after that creation, and then you get the flood that is going to come on. It’s because the whole earth is corrupted, and it’s full of violence. So, two very, very important things to understand for grasping the flood and before the flood and what's going to happen in the end times: the first thing is violence, which comes from the giants. The giants created all of the wars and the technology of the wars with this knowledge that merged with the seven

sciences. The violence is imposed on the world not only on humans but also against themselves, as they produce rivals. So, this knowledge in the Book of Enoch—again, not scripture, but some context to keep in mind—is the knowledge of Azazel, who provides most of the knowledge, but in this aspect, he is providing the knowledge of the arts of war, the craft of war. This includes not only how to make weapons but technological weapons; it includes how to use them, includes the strategy, includes the martial arts—everything. So now, if they have angelic technology, they have planet destruction

capability, particularly if you understand that the angelic war may have happened before Genesis 1:2, which destroyed it and made it void, and that had to be regenerated. And the earth that was in the water and out of the water, that's talked about in 2 Peter 3, that was destroyed by fire and perished. In the flood, the whole earth didn't perish, but if you had a war of angelic technology that destroyed the earth down to its foundations, then you would have to renew the earth, as Psalms 104 says, when God sends the spirit—which you have, the

Holy Spirit—over the chaos in Genesis 1:2, where you could translate that as the world was void and formless. Those two words, "tohu" and "bohu," basically reflect destruction in terms of applying that destruction, and that God doesn't create anything in vain, as stated in Isaiah. "45, which is to who as well, meaning the same thing: He creates everything to be lived with, that the Earth becomes, uh, destroyed. This is the Angelic technology that was used in the Rebellion to destroy that, and now you have a regeneration or a renewal of the Earth, as Psalms 104 talks

about. So nothing is new under the sun—destruction by fire—and now possibly, and likely, my speculation—likely—you have the technology there before the flood to destroy the world by fire. Thus comes the flood, because God's like saying, 'You're not going to do this again.' Yeah, you're not going to do this again because God has written every name from before creation in the Book of Life. Until those names are presented, when there's to be presented to be given a chance to leave that name in the Book of Life or have it blotted out, God's going to intercede, and

he's going to intercede more than once throughout our history to ensure that that happens. That's the first part of what happens. Also, for people who are concerned about polytheists saying God’s an evil God because he brings the flood, he is either permitting or bringing the flood so that all the names can have the gift of life that were written in the Book of Life and have an opportunity to be raised up to be like angels. So there's a good reason for it. Then secondly, on that, from a polytheist account, it's the fallen angels who bring

the flood. Yeah, they're the ones messing it all up anyways, because giants are too evil and warring against the gods, and humans are too noisy, according to polytheist accounts. So typically, what happens in biblical methodology is God permits them to do it. Right? Yeah, just as he permits Satan to continually test the world. I have a question. You mentioned earlier, probably five minutes ago, you mentioned the technology we have now is not as advanced as what they had before the flood, and then you said something so sneaky: you said we’re being helped now. What did

you mean by that? Well, you have to look at the understanding of the development of our technology today, which is happening at an inexplicable rate, and knowledge that is changing everything, and it’s happening very, very quickly. This is the same scenario that happened before the flood, especially if you overlay the context of the polytheist accounts with God’s providing knowledge. If you overlay it with Enoch, where the same thing happens, if it’s going to be like the days of Noah, we’re just catching up to that knowledge. They had, in polytheist accounts, the ability to do DNA

manipulation as well, which we just, out in the East, came like that. That book was written about, uh, CRISPR technology. Have you seen any of that? Yes, I have. And again, all sorts of knowledge and interdimensional knowledge are coming our way. Quantum computing is becoming merged with AI, which is going to be merged with all of the other technologies to get us to this technology that they want us to get to. When we look at the DNA manipulation in prehistory, we look at 'Chimera,' for example, as sort of the name that they use for DNA

experiments today. Chimera was a creature that had multiple animal parts to it and was created by the gods, so there’s a DNA aspect to that. There is the angelic sexual act that goes with it, and there has to be that sexual act reproduced by taking a physical form, which they have the ability to do, as accounted for in Hebrews 13:2: 'Be nice to strangers, for we come across an angel unaware.' The accounts in Genesis 18 and 19 were angels take human forms, and in the Sodom and Abraham narratives, there are other accounts throughout the Bible.

We go through them all, so understand they can take a physical form and a physical form of choice, and that’s the soul and the body for their angelic spirit. Jude 16 uses the word 'habitation' where those fallen angels left their habitation. That’s the Greek word 'oiketerion,' which means a dwelling place for the spirit. So we have a dwelling place for the spirit in the physical world, which is the soul and the body, and the spirit comes from heaven. When we die as humans, our spirits go back to heaven; counterfeit spirits don’t and are stuck here.

Yeah, so this is the xero spirit that’s passed on through the DNA that the angels have when they reproduce to make the giants with human females. Oh, which is okay, that's why the Nephilim are still here. Yes, now they're called demigods, which is the ancient term for the offspring of a god and a human female or a god and a human male in polytheism. That denotes 50/50. But what's interesting is, in the Sumerian accounts, once you have, in the Epic of Gilgamesh, for example, you have Enki and Gilgamesh, which are post-Alvian giants, sixth generation after

the flood. The son of King Lugalbanda of Uruk and the mother goddess, Bul-goddess Ninsun, produces with Lugalbanda to create Gilgamesh. He is two-thirds god, one-third human. So as Anki do, who's created to offset the evil of Gilgamesh and all of those on the ark within the Epic of Gilgamesh story with Utnapishtim and all of his family, they are two-thirds god and one-third human. So no longer 50/50. Something else is at play there. Maybe it's an allegory for saying that the giants were more godlike in the beginning than humans, or there's an ability to move those

fractions." Around so can they create and then also do DNA manipulation to create beings like King Hababa in the Epic of Gilgamesh? Anky, do, and Gilgamesh are going to go to Mount Hermon to kill it, where the Cedar Forest is. Look at that description if somebody gets a chance, and you’re going to see all sorts of parts of animals on that particular giant created by the gods. So now this chimera, I understand, is a thing, right? Not a technology, but you think it was a being—a being—a being. But it's the term that's used today for

DNA manipulation. Oh wow! Because they name everything after their gods in their history. It's just part of the M.O. When we understand that, we can see the world we live in more clearly. So yes, we're just catching up to that technology, and that technology was so strong. This is where I get it back biblically, to give you some teeth for what I'm talking about, is that the whole earth was corrupted in the time of Noah. All flesh was corrupted. That's the Hebrew word "shakach," and it's an interesting word. It can mean "destroy," but it can

also mean "to ruin," "to decay," words like that. And so all in that application, all flesh was corrupted, perverted. Mhm. That means the whole earth was all corrupted in the same way, with the same word there that's used in Hebrew that means the plant genomes were all corrupted. That means all the flesh of the animals were corrupted for the most part. Now we understand why God calls a representative of each species to the ark, because He knows which ones are not corrupted. Oh wow, and it's an extreme minority! Yes, and it's one that can repopulate

the whole species. Oh wow, what a move! Yeah, so when people like to use the unicorn story, which they have no idea what a unicorn really was, which was not this cute little cuddly thing, but it’s a chimera animal, oh great, that the giants rode into battle on in the occult mythology with a single horn! And as a chimera, it would not be called to the ark. What about dinosaurs? Depending on when dinosaurs were actually on the earth, if you look at, I'm good either in this gap before the renewal of the earth or sometime

before the flood, maybe both, 'cause nothing is new under the sun. What was will be again. That's the first thing. This is the first time I've ever heard an explanation for why, like, dinosaurs weren't on the ark is if they were in the gap before the renewal, then when God renewed the earth, He could have just not renewed them! Yeah, also, and again, who created the dinosaurs? Maybe it was fallen angels that were creating. So if we look at the seraphim again, we're talking about serpent-faced, dragon-faced dinosaurs! Yeah, these are dragon angels, just as we

see serpentine imagery as most of the imagery in the pantheons where, let's say, Quetzalcoatl is a plumed or feathered serpent or Osiris is an, or Osiris or other mother goddesses were what they call Urus gods, which were flying serpent angels, just as Zeus was originally Kronos, just as all of the angels—fallen angels in the Sumerian pantheon—were mostly serpentine. They populated most of the ruling council. And so if they were going to have creatures in the physical world, their preference would be, my speculation, their preference would be to have similar kinds of beings. So what types

of beings are similar to that? Dinosaurs are now looked at as having feathers, just as these were, you know, feathered MH dragon angels, and that these are serpentine, reptilian beings, and they're giant in nature. The M.O. is very, very similar, just as the nahash is a serpentine being that is deceiving Eve. If we look at the patterns, we can see the consistency. Yeah, what's funny, I just saw a TikTok, and it was Jurassic Park, but if it was like an actual representation of what they actually looked like, you got velociraptors with feathers on them, and

they don't look as scary 'cause they have feathers. I have a problem with you, Gary. I want to just come clean on this. I'm going to confess—before we started this interview, I thought I was intelligent. If the bar for writing a book is you, I'm never going to be able to write another book. So thank you for taking a dream away from me. Now I'm like, I am so dumb! I have to go get so much smarter to write a next book 'cause Gary didn't write a book 'til he knew everything—34 years of this stuff!

This is insane! My goodness! Okay, anything? Do you want me to keep going, or do you want to ground us for a second? I—I don’t even know how to ground us at the moment. I don’t think it might take until we get to some of the future, more recent topics. I have a hypothetical question for you, and then I want to connect Freemasonry, the Illuminati, back to Enoch, the evil hypothetical. Because you have the ability to tell stories because you know all the details, what's the general consensus in terms of attitude and fear around these

Isar and the Nephilim and Jesus, like if they just saw, if they were... To like meet with Jesus and do battle, what would happen? Well, the fallen angels would be gone. Whatever happens to immortal beings, they're afraid of Him. Yeah, they're afraid of Him, absolutely, and they don't want to encounter Jesus before they have to. One of the reasons for creating the spirit offspring, used in the ancient sense, is to do what the fallen angels are fearful to do. Oh, they do not want to get blood on their hands. Oh God! So they use their

spirit offspring and the followers of them to slander God because they don't want to be caught doing it. No, they know the power of the God Most High, and they created cowards—smart cowards. Yes, very intelligent, but smart cowards. They created the giants to not only enslave humankind but to wipe them from the face of the Earth, which has been a common modus operandi as that rolls forward after the flood with Israel so that humankind will not reach their destiny. They got very close before the flood, and thus the flood comes to stop that from happening.

But then it starts again after the flood. Got it? Okay, can you connect Enoch, the evil from the offspring of Cain, the seven sciences, through the mystery schools to Freemasonry, Skull and Bones, Illuminati, and all of these New Age groups? I would imagine it is a derivative of some of these seven sciences in these groups. So, there's a term called Hermes Trismegistus, the record keeper. Yeah, the three times Hermes. That's understood as raising him to reference. You’re going with that? No, no, no. You could explain it better, but he is in a lot of Egyptian

literature, like the record keeper. Hermes, in Kabbalah, tracks back to this guy. The audience might not know who that is. Yeah, so if you follow anything to do with Rosicrucian and secret societies, Hermes and hermeticism are very popular terms. Hermes with the Trismegistus is a conflation or merging of three individuals into a mythos. What's a mythos? It’s a mythology that is with you for every generation; it continues. And so, in this mythos, you have either one before the flood, or two before the flood, or one before the flood and two after the flood. Typically, it's

probably better understood as two before the flood and one after the flood. But these are individuals—these are individuals. One is a fallen angel, or raised to be a fallen angel, and the other one would be Enoch, son of Cain. Yeah, so Enoch is equated with Mercury and Hermes and other names of similar fashions in the polytheist world. Then there's one after the flood, typically from a secret society and out of the Polychronicon of the ancient Masons versus Freemasonry. Freemasonry has these legends and histories that they keep out of the Polychronicon, and in the histories of

Freemasonry, Hermes, as he's called in there, is named Harmine, who finds the seven pillars of Lamech and Enoch from before the flood that have all of the knowledge and the religion. So, for Jake, I'm going to catch him up real fast. Is that okay? There were these things written on tablets that were preserved before the flood so that people could find them after the flood. The person after the flood found these—Harmine—and then Solomon ends up finding a duplicate or something, and then he takes that knowledge to Nimrod at Babel. Now, what's interesting about these two

pillars, to sort of lend some additional important information, is one is designed to survive a flood and float, and the other one is designed to survive a fire apocalypse. They don't know which one's coming. Yeah, and so Harmine—Hermes—finds this and he takes this knowledge back to Nimrod. When we look at Hermes after the flood, that’s one of them. There's also another one further down the road who is a priest in Egypt that is developing alchemy to a whole new level. So it's emerging, but there's two different versions of it in polytheism. That's why I name

all of it. When we look at Enoch as being a significant figure in polytheism, represented by Mercury and Hermes, and understood as the same, we start to get some connections. The main patriarchs of Freemasonry, in history or ancient masonry as it would be known, are Cain, Enoch, Lamech, Tubal-Cain, Jabal, and Nama. Right? And so Enoch becomes the highest elevated one as this knowledge figure. Now, in Egypt, you have, and in Greece and other pantheons, Mercury and Thoth. In this case, this is a god who comes about, who is made into a god because of his

knowledge. And in the third Book of Enoch, which is totally polytheist, probably a document and a writing based on the writings of Enoch the evil, you understand that both would have wrote scripture from two different religious perspectives, and why they hide behind Enoch—the ecclesiastical one, that I like to call him—to get some coverage on that. This individual, Enoch, in the third Enoch, is named Metatron. Now, Metatron is one of those names if you're talking to people in the tech industry who are receiving knowledge from spiritual guides. His name is Metatron. So again, whether it's true

or not, or just naming... These demonic, uh, individuals, after somebody out of their prehistory—we don't know—but the understanding that, in that Pantheon of the Egyptian Pantheon, could be Enoch is sort of really nails the concept of the relationship of the common religion that was around the world. So, Gnosticism is the religion of secret societies, and Gnosticism is a religion that has been trying, since its creation, and it's been around since the time of Jesus. So, Simon the Magus is a Gnostic from Alexandria, and it's a religion that tries to collect all of the original religions

back to its home to bring the home religion back as the dominant religion. So, what we have to sort of understand is, when we get into the various polytheist religions, A) they're the same religion, but B) they're the religion of the secret societies. And Gnosticism, as it comes forward, Zoroastrianism is the basis for Gnosticism. Zoroastrianism is the Indo-Aryan religion immediately after the flood; it's five groups of Indo-Aryans—these are giant groups—and Zoroastrianism is this antediluvian knowledge, Enohan mysticism. So, we get it from the Giants, and we get it from Babel as it crosses the flood. This

is the same religion of the Aryans that settled both in Persia to produce the Achaemenid dynasty of the Beast Kings of the Persian Empire, and the Indus Valley. You have the same names of the gods in each of those regions because they're coming from that same religion that the people of Babel are going to migrate into and live amongst and intermarry with after Babel, because Babel happens 101 years after the flood. So, you have this period of time before they migrate amongst those groups. So now, if we understand Zoroastrianism and all the other religions with

their historical connection back to Enohan mysticism, this is the religion of the secret societies. The religion that the secret societies created that's more recent, called Theosophy, was designed to be the religion that would unite science and religion for the end-time age. And out of Theosophy, in conjunction with 1947 Roswell and the alien introduction, comes the New Age. And now, if we understand that the New Age has a lot of Eastern religious aspects to it, and we understand that that's the Zoroastrian religion begotten in the Indus Valley, we have a connection that comes full circle as

the same religion, and why they just have sort of different terms for the Christ Consciousness or the Divine Essence or the Brahma or the Atma that's in the Indian subcontinent of Indian sacred texts. Okay, so let me put some that—this is insane—but, um, have you read "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus? No. So—oh, Josephus! Josephus! Sorry! Why? I'm an—I'm an American. Oh, that's okay. You can't tell? Yeah, I quote him—I quote him extensively. Canadians are educated, and Americans just figure out our own words for it. Um, there's a point in that where Abraham is teaching

the Egyptians better than they understand it. Yeah, um, is this because when you look linearly or chronologically, you have Enoch the Good and Enoch the Evil, and there are threads that are similar because they're teaching similar things, but one is superior? So, Abraham would have come in trained on some of this stuff. Well, one would think that Abraham—well, and Josephus—it's interesting that he has those accounts because those are the same accounts that the polytheists have as well. Um, Noah would have been fully educated in whatever was being passed on and used for good, and so

whatever was passed on to Abraham would have been a good application of knowledge. Knowledge is neither good nor evil; that's about how it's used. And we should keep that in mind. And so what the polytheists do is they like to draft patriarchs into their belief system to create this global religion. So they draft all the patriarchs, so they're saying, in their version, that Abraham is doing the form of polytheism that they started after. They want to be like he's doing the same thing. Yeah, so again, they kind of get some cover with that; plus they

can sort of deceive people to say, "Hey, this is the true belief system." And so I think that Abraham did have knowledge, and he would have had the Holy Spirit operating in him as well for his protection and everything else, and I think he was portraying pure knowledge, pure good knowledge. But let us not confuse that with the corrupted sciences of polytheism. So, an example of what is corruption: Astronomy is one of the seven sciences, which they use to pervert into astrology that they use as part of the ritual worship, that our fates are held

by the stars, which are fallen angels. Is alchemy included in that too? Yes, alchemy is an extension of the seven sciences into a different level. So, philosophy is something else that people need to understand; it's the theology of the seven sacred sciences, and they hide it in plain sight. We just don't know it. Philosophy means the love of Sophia, or the love of wisdom. And who is Sophia? She's the goddess of wisdom, the main mother goddess of the twelve archons of Gnosticism, which includes the God of the Bible in their belief system and Satan, which

is why even in the New Testament, the apostles are just like, "Ask God for wisdom; just ask Him if you want wisdom," rather than trying to go out and figure it out on your own. The word "world" in the New Testament goes back to the Greek word "Sophia." Mhm, interesting. Okay, any questions? You want to keep going? Let's keep going. How did the giants survive the flood if they're mentioned after the flood? They would have drowned. How are there giants after the flood? It's a very, very good question. I wish we had a verse like

Genesis 6:4 after the flood, but the truth is, we do not. What we do know is that giants are mentioned before the flood, according to Genesis 6:1-4, and we know giants show up after the flood. So, the word "nefil," singular for "Nephilim," is only used three times in the Bible: once in Genesis 6:4 and two times in Numbers 13:33, where it says "the Anakim are the children of giants." It says that twice, but that's in the embellished part of the report. I'm not saying that the Anakim were not giants; I'm just saying they're not Nephilim.

And how do we know that? Because when you go to Deuteronomy 2, it talks about some of the main giants after the flood, whether it's the Horites, or the Emim, or the Casluhim, or the Anakim, or the Amim, or the Zamzumim, you have the Anakim being called giants, and all those other tribes are also called giants. That's not "Nephilim"; that's the Hebrew word "Rafa," meaning "giant" in its male plural form "Rafim," meaning a giant or a tribe of giants. That word is used 25 times in the Old Testament in Hebrew, all after the flood. So

I don't think the Bible is in contradiction. I think "Nephilim" is in the embellished part of the report to scare the Israelites not to fight these giants, and that it's not only testifying to the veracity of the giants before the flood, but that they're likely bigger, tougher, meaner, and stronger. But again, not to say that they're not giants, because we do know the size of some of these giants biblically. It's pretty big in the Bible; they're not as big as the Nephilim, but they're still quite large. So, I would say the biggest giant that we

have with dimensions in the Bible is six cubits and a span for Goliath, and he's the king of Gath. Og, king of Bashan, is the king that's going to replace him. Josephus says to use the 21-inch measurement for the giants as royals, and that would make him 11 feet 3 inches tall, and he was stout. Og is nine cubits and four inches long. King Og of Bashan is also classified as the last of the giants, Rafim, and that his bed would be 16 feet long and 7 feet wide, made of iron because it wouldn't hold

his weight. That would put him somewhere between five or six feet wide to fit in, and it would make him somewhere 12 to 15 feet tall, with a 2:1 height to width ratio, which is why you have "stout" as a term used to describe the giants after the flood. Gilgamesh, king of Uruk, is not biblical, but in Sumerian, Akkadian, and Babylonian accounts, he is 11 cubits tall—19 feet as the king of Uruk—and he is 7 cubits wide, or 7 feet tall. So he's not quite the same dimension; he's actually taller, and he's a dark-haired giant,

which is something distinctive from the red-haired and blond-haired giants, which are typically the ones that we see in the covenant land after the flood and before the flood—different rabbit hole, though. So when we look at getting back to the story, he is the king of Edrei and Ashtaroth, and he is the last of the Rafim. Now, is that from survival, or is that from the first generation after? I lean more towards a second incursion than survival because I think it fits better, but we don't have that smoking gun verse. But we have all of these

verses of these giants after, and names that don't show up in the table of nations. For example, when we get "Rafaim" as a tribe in Genesis 14, literally as a tribe in the Mount Hermon region, where the four kings of giants who are coming from the east are going to battle with the giants in the middle—in the covenant land region—they are a tribe, and they're also a tribe that's listed in the mighty men in Genesis 15, from the land from the Nile to the Euphrates, from Mount Hermon to the Red Sea. Again, you also have

the cad— I will list them a little bit differently, and I will use "I am" plural. In book two, as I didn't want to get there in book one, in book two, I use "I am" as a male plural for giant races. "I am" in the ancient world was represented not only as a plural but as a majestic dynastic bloodline. And so when you have Nephilim, you have Rafim, you have Anakim, so you have the Cadman in Genesis 15, you have the Kim, and you have the Kenites and the Cadites, as they would be listed

in the KJV. These do not have patriarchs in the table of nations. Raf does not have a patriarch. Why not? Because he's a giant. There are no giants listed in the table of nations. And how do we know that other than that sort of circumstantial information? The patriarch in the Book of Joshua for the Anakim is a fellow named Arba. He is not in the table of nations. Now, in the table of nations, we have 70 patriarchs, which isn't an accurate statement, but we have 70. Uh, nations that are going to come from peoples that

are listed there—there are nine patriarch tribes in the table of Nations. So, in Genesis 10, we get the Canaanites’ patriarch, who starts the Canaanites. We get Sidon, who creates the Sidonians; we get Heth, creating the Hittites; and then we get nine patriarchal Canaanite families, which is a Hebrew word that basically means "family." Yes, but more clearly understood, or the other meanings would be a different kind, a different species, and those types of words. That’s because they have a Rephaim patriarch— that’s why they're not listed there. This could even mean that that’s why the people of

Israel were surprised when there were giants in Canaan. Yeah, they didn’t expect it. Well, I mean, they should have expected that. I think the Canaanites expected them to be there, which is why they moved there because it wasn’t part of the land that was given to Ham. Oh, okay, okay. So the Hebrew word for Amorite is singular, and all these names are singular, not as you would do for plural normally for a people. It’s "Am," and it’s very much associated with a god in the Baalim council. We don’t get this god named in the Bible,

but in the Ugaritic texts with Baal and others, such as Anat, that are listed in the Bible, is Amore. The variations “Am” or "Amr" in different suffixes that are used throughout the Middle East produce giants as well, and his servant, or his offspring in there, is Amaru. Moreover, "Ammer" is the name that I think is passed on eponymously to the patriarch Emer, that's transliterated as "Emor" in English for Amorite. As we would understand Amorite in English, being very similar to the name of Amore, if you take off the "I," you basically have the same word.

I track all of that in book two for people if they want to get into the minutiae of this. Believe me, I go deeper, but just to show that we know these giants show up after the flood. So that’s why I lean more towards the second incursion because it just makes sense of the details of the questions that we don’t know about. Genesis 36 is, in addition to the table of Nations, to help us make sense of the whims and the Dukes of Seir that Esau and Edom and Elaz are going to intermarry with. In

fact, Timna is a daughter of Seir, which is a pure-blood Horite giant, to create the Amalekites—oh, which are different than the Amalek in Genesis 14 because you have a couple of hundred years and several generations in between them. Again, I do not believe the Bible is in contradiction. Right, right? So how do they survive the flood? That’s another possibility because we don’t have that verse. Yeah, but you have to do a little bit of legalese to get there. One way you can get there is in Genesis 6 and Genesis 7; it says that God is

going to destroy everything He created. He did not create the giants; fallen angels did, with the descendants of the Canaanites. You can imagine if you wanted to use that as legal terms for justification for the Bible not being in contradiction, that would imply that the fallen angels would have to help them. In polytheist accounts, they build arcs, as in the Epic of Gilgamesh, or Dulan. In Greek, Noah is Dulan, the son of Prometheus. This is a giant story, so the arc is provided for him as well, or in the earth, off the Earth, in another

dimension, somehow with fallen angelic support. Another way that is proposed is through the wives, through the genes. That’s my least favorite option. Survival would be my second; the second incursion fits best for me biblically. But I leave a crack open because we don’t get that event. I can tell you how you can get there with Genesis 4 language because they do it again. It could mean again before the flood, and in like manner, or again in like manner after the flood, but again we don’t have that verse after the flood. So, with the genes of

giants, or the corrupted part of the corrupted race as the wives, through those genes, but then you get into a DNA conundrum in terms of the four races and giant genes, and then how does that sort of play out after the flood? It’s very complex. Giants show up very quickly after the flood; they’re known as—you take those names as the aboriginals back in the Hebrew definition that the people of Babel go in and marry with—they're already there. So they show up early after the flood, so they either have to survive, in my opinion, or they’re

recreated. When we get into the language of Jude 16 and 2 Peter, where they’re talking about this filthy language and strange flesh, "strange flesh" is talking about, in its Greek definition, as being a different species. Again, this is talking about the Sodom story. When we look at Sodom and Gomorrah, we want to maybe look at that in a more expanded way, in that the kings of the Covenant land were Rephaim-type kings, and they were ruling over the pentapolis of the five cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities of the plain. They knew the religion

of the giants created by the Baalim, whom the Canaanites also worshipped in Sodom and Gomorrah, and they would have understood that if there was a second incursion that the Rephaim... received their name from one of the multiple names Beal has, including Rapal. Um, and then you get an eponymously named tribe of giants after Rafa. Um, coming down with that is they would have understood being ruled over by giants, being of the same religion that would be celebrating. They do fertility rituals in the Ugaritic texts to bring back Baal and Anat and the baline because they

disappear mysteriously. They're in the pit prison for doing the same crimes as the parent gods. After the flood, my speculation is to create more giants. So now when the two angels go in bodily form, they're recognized as angels, whereas Abraham didn't recognize them at first as angels, but they recognized them as angels to judge them. And they're wanting to have sex with them. So they know angels have a changeling capability. So were they wanting to have, um, same-sex sex, or were they wanting them to change bodies, or did they want to offer some of their

daughters to those male angels to create giants? And I'm not saying the Sodom crimes weren't there as we understand it biblically as a sin, but there was more than just that going on. And Sodom is understood as the shining city. It was the city of light; it was on a hill, and it was of great knowledge. The allegory we understand for culot and Washington is the shining city on a hill. Today, these terms stay with us, so this may perhaps be the birthplace of giants. After the flood, in Gnostic accounts, they look at Gamor for

the flood as the first incursion, and then the second incursion, no way, is at Sodom. Sodom! Wow, okay, we have to, um, we have to fly you back across the world soon to talk about! I'm just going to go through a list of things I didn't get to: modern-day descendants of Nephilim, implications for end times, historical roles and present roles of secret societies, Antichrist lineage, um, and then like nine or ten other things. So we have a nice second episode if you are having fun. We are having fun, and we can do a second episode

today. Oh, Are in the Fig Tree generation, and I think we are. I think we're still in the times of the Sorrows. I don't think we should get ahead of the biblical chronology of the events that have been set down, so we want to be careful with that. If we are in the Fig Tree generation, then we can't imagine yet what's coming at us, and it will be completely unimaginable, and we will be totally unprepared. The risk of that—people say, "Well, I have faith." You've never been tested like what's coming. We need to understand this;

we need to be serious about this. They can prove to us over and over and over how they can seed wedges into our faith by asking us one question we can't answer because they know the Bible better than we do. So, put on the armor of God, get into the Bible, and learn. Get curious, so that we can start to prepare. So much so that even the elect will be deceived, if that were possible. Jesus specifically warned that it was possible, and it's coming. If we don't want to be deceived—because, again, it is going to

be things we can't imagine, from propaganda to things we will physically see—it's going to change everybody's preconceived conclusions, and your faith is going to be tested. So you better know why you believe what you believe and start to get ready, because it's going to be like the days of Noah, both before and after the flood, when the fallen angels walked among us, when the giants walked among us, when the world became close to being destroyed by fire. I have something that I would just love to touch on as we—I have five minutes, okay? Just for

record, just to wrap things up, to give people more of a lens for what you're saying. Something that stuck with me throughout the episode is you mentioned that the motive of the fallen angels, Nephilim, giants, all of that—they're trying to withhold humans from their destiny. Could you speak on what that destiny is? And pause—sorry, too much. I don't think he's going to be able to answer that. I did earlier when I mentioned being raised up to be like angels as of eternity. That's the destiny, right? Okay, but we could underline that: raised up like angels

to be like angels and to judge. Yeah, let's start the second episode with that. Let's go. Let's do it. So we can do that, okay? Sorry, I have a meeting I've got to hop on. Okay, and then we're going to feed you and then come back. I'm going to put my brain together so that you can break it again, and then we'll just do all of it in one day. Thank you for this. This was incredible. Thank you. I appreciate that. So, as you can see, I have a lot of fun with it, and it's

not that I'm not serious about it, but it's so good. We'll put your books, we'll put both books in the show notes. I think if people are serious about being prepared, like what you're talking about, then it's a very low-cost way to just download 35 years of work on your... So thank you for doing that work and putting it together. You're quite welcome. All right, thank you guys. See you next time.