well good evening from London welcome to PE Morgan uncensored have you ever heard of Mr Beast what about PewDiePie how about keemstar Logan Paul Jake Paul the answer might well be no you haven't heard of them but if you got kids you will definitely have heard of them and they most certainly have they're just a tiny handful of allegiance of digital personalities whose videos are viewed by literally billions of young people across the world their endorsements are worth millions in sales or opinions can instantly reshape conversations in schools universities and across social media they're more
influenced than most musicians soap stars sport Stars columnists lawmakers but unlike those power Brokers of the past the politicians and cultural stars who can set the social agenda these people seem to exist in a parallel universe their views go largely unchallenged shared only as bite-sized Clips their digital businesses often operate beyond the scrutiny of normal journalists and even Regulators they will massive influence over young people and they're restricted only by the everchanging whims of big tech companies it makes no more sense the senators or secretaries of State simply never appearing on television well my guest
tonight is a perfect case in point an example of both enormous digital conquest and the risks that come with it is Andrew Tate his last interview with me is so far been viewed well over 8 million times on YouTube alone and 17 million times across all platforms which is staggering for someone who perhaps you're watching and thinking who is Andrew Tate it was was a robust exchange and Andrew herte was here because he'd effectively been kicked off the mainstream internet for supposed misogyny his terrades against women were viewed literally billions of times well the first
time I wanted to find out if he deserved to be banned and if he'd ever actually crossed a line from shocking opinions to genuine hate speech or if he just didn't fit the ideal model of the platforms that sensored him let's go through some sure right do you think women are the property of men no the why have you said they are because I made a religious Point Authority implies that you have the ability to control someone No Authority believes the authority implies that I have the moral right to sit and say that that's an
irresponsible thing to do and I'm responsible for that's not what Authority means I don't to interrupt you I just want to point out that's not what Authority means if someone gives you can a person can give voluntary Authority is not Authority no but that's the point if a woman Piers Andrew it's not and this is the thing that's interesting Pierce please let me finish are you again you're like a politician but hang on you can say I'm interrupting you do but you're answering a different question to the one I asked you fine no no you're
weaponizing the weaponizing doesn't exist no problem if someone comes to me and says I'm clinically depressed or I feel very very sad I would say the first thing you need to do is stop accepting the identity of a clinically depressed person stop accepting you have no control over this Andrew You're simply wrong if that's what you believe Piers I believe I don't believe in things that take power away there is not an eminent doctor in the world would agree with you you think you know more than doctors I can't become clinically depressed why' you know
because I don't believe in it it's a lively stuff I also wasn't sure if I should be interviewing him at all if he was so unpleasant as so many people said why extend his profile and give him a platform but the fact is that that ship had already sailed every teenager in the country knows Andrew Tay it's just a lot of the parents who don't since that interview Andrew has been returned to Twitter his new owner Elon Musk is determined to proect protect Free Speech online many young people especially boys have literally stopped me in
the street since that first interview to ask me about Andrew T I've been staggered Honestly by the response that I've had what does it say about society that people like Andrew T can reach so many more people than conventional stars or journalists even who gets to decide where the line is and where people like Andre take cross it are they part of a poorly understood movement that panders to teenage rebellion like punk rock or pornography or are we exposing young people to new and damaging experiences we often don't see and don't understand it's Whole New
World there are more questions about it than answers and we're not going to answer them by pretending it doesn't exist well Andrew Tate joins me again now Andrew good to see you salam alaikum Pierce good to see it I I've genuinely been Amazed by the reaction I've had in the streets not just here but I went to Qatar for the World Cup had the same thing there a lot of people coming up about Cristiano Ronaldo obviously but also a lot of people coming up about you and they were almost exclusively men young men who genuinely
see you as a role model as somebody who inspires them as somebody they want to be like yeah so that made me think the first interview we had was quite combative the second time uh a shorter interview less so I want to try and work out in this one who you are because it struck me as extraordinary that Google this week revealed some stats for the year the number one person whose name followed people Google searching who is in 2022 was and R Tate yeah that's quite remarkable I think there's a whole swath of the
population especially young men that feel disenfranchised they feel disenfranchised with the media machine and the things they're supposed to believe they don't feel an affinity with the Educational Systems or the culture and they look at a person like me who stands up and says the things that many young men think I haven't put a magic spell on the world the fact that people like what I say means that they agree with me deep inside they may be afraid to say it themselves but I am seen as a Bastion of free speech and a Bastion Bastion
masculinity as a whole because a lot of men are largely forgotten about do you think you're a Force for good or are you a force in evolution where perhaps you've done and said stuff you shouldn't have done and as you get older perhaps as you get bigger more followed around the world you sense a responsibility perhaps you didn't have early on well we all evolve every human evolves day by day you wouldn't be human if you didn't evolve on an hour by- hour basis but I do not think I'm a Force for good I absolutely
not really know I a Force for good because I'm a force for truth and Truth is a good thing without truth we're going to end up in absolute tyranny and slavery and we're already on our way there I feel like we're starting to combat it my cancellation was the beginning of a change in public Consciousness Elon having Twitter is another beginning of the change in public Consciousness and anybody who stands up and speaks what they truly believe even if it's something I don't personally agree with I think that truth is absolutely important and people's personal
truths and people's personal opinions even on differing sides of the same opinion should be heard tell me about your life you were born to to a mix race uh couple your father was an African-American a chess player yeah uh and your mother she was from this country correct yeah so my father was was black chess player he was in the Air Force he met my mother here in England and then I was raised initially in the United States and then I moved to Lon England when I was younger so I've moved around a lot I've
lived a eclectic life in many different scenarios we've moved around I've done a lot of different things lived a lot of different experiences and uh thankful for are you I mean what do you identify it I consider myself British now but I will say that part of me the Patriotic Britain side of me is devastated by the state of the UK currently and I want to make that very clear the Patriotic Britain me truly loves this country and seeing what's happening to it especially to our major cities is almost heartbreaking to watch in real time
in what way it's falling apart this is a failed Society by every metric you can possibly measure it is absolutely artly failing the cost of living crisis the crime rates everything is falling apart if you compare it to a country like the United Arab Emirates you compare it to a city like Dubai London which should be the greatest city on earth is failing in absolutely every metric because our leadership is a joke if you look at Dubai and UAE the leadership there is so Flawless so genuinely genius they saw head and have built on almost
a Utopia and then you look at London you can't even walk around with a watch on it's disgusting you know it's very interesting I was in Qatar for the World Cup obviously a lot of people in England taking a very censorious moral view about the World Cup being in the Middle East at tall because of their laws against homosexuality because of their treatment of migrant workers I've got to say not that I don't share the concerns about those things of course I do but I found a lot of The Virtue signaling and I think that's
what it was in many cases about the whole region actually quite distasteful because when I was in Qatar a I thought the World Cup was fantastically well-run incredibly good experience but lot of qaris were saying to me you know there's this weird quaint feeling back in your country that we all want to Aspire to behave like that that we all want to live in a country with massive drug problems with massive knife crime issues with scenes like the European championships final where it's complete lawlessness going on um where stuff like the NHS the system of
Health Care is basically collapsing where the education system is dropping behind so on and so on and so on it's a really interesting perspective they were like I know you all think that we want to have your form of democracy and your form of life but but actually we're fing things absolutely cuz it's a failed society and it's Godless I think it's disgusting we leave our old people to rot in old people's homes and then we sit there and say we don't have enough money for nurses I understand this nurse strike very well and how
frustrating it can be if you walk into a hospital and a nurse is not prepared to work but the nurses would be prepared to work at the current wage if they believe this country was spending its money prudently when you see this country spending its money and just absolutely wasting it pulling out of thin air to fund proxy wars God knows where that has nothing to do with them of course as a nurse you're going to stand up and say well can't I get a pay rise this country has failed on every metric and especially
our major cities I I've just come to London now I made it very clear to my private jet pilot I said fuel the Jet and leave it running because the second I'm finished talking to peers I'm leaving this cesspit it's disgusting this country and London as a whole 10 years ago was one of the most hospitable cities on earth now you cannot walk around safely with a watch on and you're a full- grown man you're a full- grown adult when's the last time there's been a serious problem in your life that you completely ignored and
it fixed itself never ever what are any of our politicians doing to fix any of the problems we're saw today that sadik Khan is planning to run a again for the third term of office as mayor all I can say is I just everyone I know who's had any experience of crime at any level in London in the last few years has had a bad experience of it of the way it's been handled you know I mean I can give an example I can reveal this now I've talked for 18 months I got a specific
death threat on one of my son's Instagram pages in public a public comment and it was very specific about what this person was going to do I couldn't use the police to evade him we we know where you live we're going to come and kill you and the second one threatening uh my son and his mother my ex-wife I called in the police I thought I'm not having them putting death threats on my son's I called the police police investigated this they arrested somebody over a year ago and then I heard from the police this
week that despite 18 months of Investigation of a publicly posted comment on Instagram threatening to kill me uh on my son's Instagram that they will not be able to pursue the case I thought imagine I'm high-profile this was a front page of the Sun newspaper this if that same man called a transgender person the wrong pronouns he would be in trouble right so doesn't it just show Absol how absolutely asinine and banow our legal system has become that would never happen in a country like Arab United Arab Emirates the place I'm now residing in Dubai
where the leadership has common sense and I'm saying to all the leadership structures doesn't matter if it's labor or conservative across all of it in this nation have completely unly failed sadik Khan is a loser because when you have a city which is losing which which London is is losing in all very in all metrics across its competitive cities around the world and you're in charge of it by extension you're a loser I will tell you right now instead of virtue signaling and giving qar a hard time over their religious beliefs what we should be
doing is a treaty with qar to build a prison deep in the desert give me make me mayor of London we'll make a prison deep in the desert and if you're caught with a knife or robbing someone you can go do 25 years with one meal a day in the in the scorching sun and then what we'll do is we'll put cameras there and we'll interview you once a week and broadcast that out to the nation and see if you change your mind and make people understand that this is a country that should be respected
and our laws should be respected instead what happens what do sadik or any of the people in charge of this country actually done to fix any of our issues besides sit around and talk nothing none of them have done anything but they seem Ultra concerned with finding money for proxy wars Ultra concerned with rainbow Flags in another country that is uninterested in them and their priorities are completely messed up of course the ambulance people are of course the ambulance drivers are striking of course the nurses are striking nobody cares about the most important things in
this nation it's a failing country in real time and that's why I've left what about the specific allegation by the way I don't disagree with a lot of that um because I do think this country is in big trouble and I do think that one of the problems is people think if they do have a crime against them nobody cares anymore I know I know nobody cares I can I have specific examples and people who I know personally absolutely and utterly nobody cares I was in herods yesterday and someone tried to Rob someone's watch in
the middle of the store I walk around with six full grown I have a security team of six full grown men plus me my brother eight military age males all over 110 kilos big men just so I can walk around this city it's absolutely unacceptable what about the issue of race and I mentioned that in the context of the Harry and Megan ongoing debate their war with the royal family war against the monarchy their specific uh constant uh referencing to the fact that they believe they were driven out of here because of racism in Britain
what do you make of that debate that that's absolute fallacy you're from a mixed race correct background yourself correct I'm from a mixed race background myself and while we're discussing the leaders of the UK although I do think they're doing a terrible job it's kind of hard for Megan to say that the UK is a racist country when the leader of the UK is darker skinned than her and the mayor of London is darker skinned than her and I am a person who's probably darker skinned than her and I've never experienced any kind of bigotry
against myself besides the fact I'm a straight male I'll get bigotry for that before I'll get bigotry for my skin color I think it's just a cop out and her not wanting to be perspicacious and self-reflective enough to understand that she has attacked an age-old institution and there are people who are very patriotic about that institution and by attacking it and bringing a degree of distaste to it there's going to be people who don't like her and if you're a dislikable person you can't just instantly stand up and say it's because of my skin color
it might because be because of your actions and some of the things you've said I mean I think there's probably no doubt she's had racism on social media because it's who hasn't it's a you probably have well as I said to now I've had death threats on social media and no one no one seem to care very much um but I I think that's probably inarguable my issue with what they both been doing is if you're going to make allegations against an institution like the royal family and the monarchy you've got to actually provide some
evidence you can't just spray gun this thing out there and say well somebody was racist yeah and erring dirty laundry is never going to be respected by the populace and being a tattletail is never going to be respected by the populace and I think the problem with the modern world we're living in is a lot of age-old traditions are being destroyed in real time it doesn't matter what the tradition is most of them are being eroded and something like the British royal family which has been around for a very long time is an age-old tradition
one of the things holding the UK together one of the last things we have to sit and detriment it and to sit and insult it and to give away secrets from inside of it and try and paint a negative image of it is going to upset a lot of people and you have to be prepared for that backlash you can't say I've done things that upset people but it's nothing to do with what I've done it's purely because of my skin color also it's kind of ironic that she's doing that because she's not particularly dark
skinned it's kind of funny to sit her sit here sit watch her sit and say I think the truth is I don't know what look you can say that I can't um the reality of it is I just don't know what the specifics of the racism she says she's had because we've not seen any evidence the universe is a funny Place Piers if you're looking for something you're going to find it right when I got canceled when they attacked me unfairly lied about me across the entire mainstream media deleted me from social media so I
couldn't defend myself and lied about me repeatedly I could have stood up and said it's because I'm Brown I didn't do that I sat and said okay there's people who misunderstand my message my message is is a positive one people misunderstand me let me self-reflect and understand that yes perhaps this said a long time ago was said in the wrong way perhaps this was misunderstood perhaps people don't understand this I could have just copped out and could have just been refusing to self-reflect on any level and said it's because I'm Brown that's why they did
it but that's not the mature way to be as an adult what did you think of the Jeremy Clarkson fiori where he wrote well I think most people but including him belatedly after he published it and written the column he did make an analogy from a game of Thrones uh scene which most people I think did find cross the line and was deeply offensive I I think it crossed the line what do you think yeah I understand why people feel that but when you attack an institution as old as the British royal family or attacking
patriotism in it of itself for one of the most respected countries or previously most respected countries on Earth and you're going to have some visceral reactions perhaps Jeremy Clarkson is is too famous and too well-renowned to say those kind of things but there's a lot of people who genuinely feel that way and that's why he said it and this is what happens when you attack age-old institutions on any country should he have apologized that's a good question it looks like he did personally I think as a man you should stand up say what you mean
mean what you say I don't think you should ever apologize for anything you've ever said even me what if what if you say something truly then if very offensive and you actually do regret it if you truly regret it then yeah okay you can apologize but if at the time you meant it then the best thing you can do is say look I've just changed my mind I no longer feel that way but at the time that's how I felt and I'm the person who stand says what he feels and that's what I felt at
the time and I apologize I offended you Andrew T we'll be back with you after the break we'll talk to you about Twitter again uh Elon Musk restoring each to this platform has it calmed you down are you as controversial on there are you mindful that you're only one false move like Cane West for example away from being removed again Elon Musk has restored a throng of banded accounts of taking over Twitter with a sworn commitment to free speech has also shown he has a line of his own though conspiracy theorist Alex Jones remains banned
Kanye yay West was reinstated then banned again for posting a swasa inside the Star of David Andrew Tate is back too for now anyway he was first removed in 2017 for saying women should bear some responsibilities victims of rape and he hasn't exactly been shy since his reprieve let's take a look genas Khan had endless women and 200 children as a reward for Conquest he tweeted on the most searched man on the planet I've conquered Earth I'm the highest stages male on the planet females do not expect loyalty from me they only expect that of
lesser men then there was this imagine having less than 10 children because you're a who doesn't have four wives genetic failures finally if a girl follows me and she's hot and I see a single picture of her at a private jet it's block women can't afford Jets women are all brokies why are you flying around on some man's jet you should have been a virgin when I met you Haram all right Andrew Tate now you you're getting very near the knuckle with some of those tweets am I will you tell me I don't think so
I think people can understand they're semi satirical I think people can understand do you mean them as jokes or do you mean them it's don't I don't mean them as jokes I mean they're a overall public commentary and observation I do mean what I say if I were to see a girl on a private plane on Instagram for example I would assume that a man put her on that private plane I would not assume she bought it herself what if it was perhaps that makes me misogynistic what if it was Ariana Grande or Beyonce well
that's slightly different isn't it why because they're famous and very rich yeah of course and they're famous and very rich but if I lots of women wouldn't think that if you actually saw if I saw if I saw a 19-year-old girl from mdova where the average wage is $200 a month and she was on a private jet I would assume that with the balance of probabilities considering I'm an adult is very likely because of her beauty a man has put her on that private plane yes if that makes me misogynistic instead of just perspicacious enough
to understand how the world works so be it I'm a realist should you be such a generalist about these things well you have to be a generalist when you're looking for in the balance of probabilities and trying to find balance in the world you have to be a generalist in general if I stroke a lion it's going to bite my hand in general there might be a nice one but I don't want find out so that's how the world Works you've praised the Taliban in the past would you do so again tonight the world is
not black and white the world is gray it's very difficult to sit and make black and white assumptions about anything to sit and say that the Taliban are completely inly evil and we're completely inly good as you just discussed with the moral High Ground I believe that the Taliban bring law and order it may not be the Law and Order we like but it's a form of Law and Order and humans TR usually gravitate what about their treatment of women I only tonight only tonight they have banned any women from going to University fantastic let's
get the feminists to go and teach them a lesson the feminists are so tough and they stand up and say they can do anything a man can do let's arm them up and send them to Afghanistan I'm sure they'll fix it yeah but it's it's not it's a it's a serious matter isn't it that women don't educ and that's and that's a very serious answer if women are just as capable as men in terms of combat like feminists pretend they are they can go over there and they can deal with a lot of women do
go to combat exactly so they can go deal with the Taliban nothing to do with me they can stand up and fight for their own rights surely you wouldn't defend the Taliban Banning women from un it's saying it's nothing to do with me Pierce it's absolutely nothing to do what about the Afghan women there nothing to do with me on any level you don't have a view I have a view my view is that people naturally gravitate towards Law and Order and if you didn't have the Taliban you'd have different Warlords operating in lawlessness and
there would be no way to prevent your store or your Market stall getting completely robbed by someone with an AK-47 and people are going to gravitate towards a form of Law and Order America left they left a power vacuum and the power vacuum is now full well I don't disagree with that okay but I do think I do think the Banning of women University in Afghanistan is utter horrific and I think the feminists are going to arm themselves they're going to show us that they can do anything a man can do they're going to go
over there to combat and they're going to teach T man a lesson why can't you just say on that you know what it's completely wrong because it's not my point it's I don't understand it makes you it makes me think it'll make your critics think that you don't think it's wrong they could ban all men they could ban all short people but they're not they're only Banning women correct they could ban all short people they could ban all people with long hair none of it's anything to do with me so they can do whatever they
want I'm not going to go to war with the Taliban but you've just literally an impassioned first segment comparing the way for example Dubai handles Law and Order correct to this country correct so you do Express views about different laws absolutely both places so when I put to you a law that basically bans women from being educated it's not why is it a problem for you to say you know what it's wrong there are both places I've resided in Dubai and London so I have personal experience I can give my personal opinion but like I
said it has absolutely nothing to do with me with what the Taliban decide to do inside of Afghanistan and they decide that's the most prudent way to run their society then we have two choices we can either go over there and start another war that we shouldn't be involved in and waste a bunch of life or we can sit and say it's up to them they should govern themselves their people we're know better than them and they've decided to live their lives a particular way and that's how they're going to live it like I said
if feminists are very upset and they're very disgusted by the fact that in Afghanistan women cannot go to school I've been told repeatedly by feminists that they are just as capable as men in all Realms and I expect them to arm themselves and fly over to Afghanistan and fix it like a lot of women have done in combat good congratulations go fight well this is the thing that's very interesting because when you talk about ideas it's not even just about Afghanistan and feminism you talk about ideas they must all be defended at some point there
has to come down to violence the world is backed by violence nobody wants to talk about this it doesn't matter what it is if you have a disagreement between two parties eventually if the disagreement continues it ends up in violence feminism is defended by men men stand up and defend feminism not feminists themselves because they're incapable of violence and we're in a situation now where you're saying that we should send men to go and fight for feminism why it's not a man's problem no feminist I think well hey I think men can be feminist too
because if feminism believes in equality for women I'll sign to I don't agree with radical feminists who hate men right they do to me the radical anything to me is a bad thing yeah and I think most feminism in the west currently is radical well some of it is no question absolutely but this my point my point is that the Taliban are going to do whatever the Taliban decide to do if I'm going to fly over to another country I will respect their laws and customs it's not my job to come along and tell other
people how to live I don't believe I have a moral High Ground in that degree and if people are genuinely upset and disgusted by it the bottom line in most disagreements on the earth is violence people who feel like they should go and fix it then fix it with violence then it can be the feminists who feel so outraged by it but it's funny they don't comment on these subjects feminists they seem to instead attack the Western male for some reason you deleted a video in which you praised Isis why I don't know which video
you're talking about in particular it might have been a video from a long time ago but in general I understand that like I said the world is not black and white the world is gray areas and Western imperialism as a whole has been causing more problems than it's ever fixed and it's disgusting and I don't know the exact video You're referencing but sometimes when an underdog destroys a western imperialist I have a degree of I wouldn't say satisfaction but every satisfaction no but there's a there's certainly a degree of the way Isis I don't know
the I don't know about the particular video we're talking well Isis were one of the most deadly Terror groups in the world absolutely they committed a series of appalling atrocities killing innocent people left right center how could you possibly have satisfaction well if it's the video I'm recollecting if it's the video we're talking about it's about the fact that I believed Isis was funded by the west and created by the West in the first place and it wasn't a degree of satisfaction like I'm happy Isis exists it was a commentary on the world well here's
what you said Isis are the real Muslims because Isis do exactly what the book says kill everyone who's not a Muslim and chop people's heads off and set them on fire and be raging lunatics but all the other Muslims go they're not real Muslims because I read the book and ignore those part Hearts well then you're not an effing Muslim because you're ignoring the effing book that's an interesting that's an interesting point you've just raised because I am now Islamic and it's it's funny because I used to be an atheist and when you're an atheist
you believe that religion causes more problems than it fixes and then you come to a realization and you start to learn the truth of yourself and the truth of God and you realize that religion is actually the cure for most of the problems in the world and godlessness is the problem in the world so that is something I will apologize for admit I was wrong about because I was atheistic and now as a Muslim I understand that's absolutely not the case if that's the particular video you're talking about then then well that's really interesting so
you you regret saying that yeah because you learn and you grow and you evolve as I said uh at the time I believed it because I didn't believe in God at the time it was a very long time ago it's actually kind of a testament to you pe you managed to find the oldest possible videos of me that have ever existed but at the time I was atheistic well no I was curious because you have recently converted to Islam correct so these questions I think are pertinent to your conversion absolutely as to what you actually
believe as a practicing Muslim now I yeah I believe that Islam is beautiful I believe it's the last True Religion on Earth it's certainly the last respected religion on Earth and I felt differently inside since I've converted and I think it has the solutions to a lot of the problems we're facing in the world today that particular video was once again satirical a lot of people watching this would not have seen it they would not have seen the joke element of it it's fine but it's not funny though is it no well you know it's
like most of the time as we discussed in our first interview with me things are taken out of context short form etc etc but all in all you could say the same things about about Christians if you were to read the Old Testament and say stick to the Old Testament you'd kill anyone who works on a Sunday so it's not applicable to you would consonance violence say again you don't countenance violence I absolutely do not countenance violence when I was talking about violence being the bottom line solute the bottom line decider between dis disagreeing points
of view it's not I'm calling for violence I'm just making a commentary on how the world genuinely functions when you use the word like satisfaction you understand that people will watch that and think how can you possibly find any form of terrorism satisfying I don't find any form of terrorism satisfying I don't find Western terrorism satisfying either I don't think it's satisfying that we manage to find $500,000 per bomb to drop on some farmer who makes $4 a day under the name of freedom and and and and we can't seem to pay our nurses enough
to do their jobs I don't find any kind of terrorism and it's actually very interesting you talk about the world terrorism terrorist and freedom fighter good guy and bad guy all of this is subjective there are people who believe that the West are the biggest terrorists on the earth there people who believe that America causes more Wars than anyone else and they've killed more people than anyone else and there's people who believe the absolute opposite so once again it depends who you're talking to it's a subjective conversation there's no black and white in the world
there's areas of gray and that's how it is so I thought you were talking about another video where I was saying that Isis are standing up and fighting for what they believe in I'm not saying what they believe in is right but that's what they were fighting for at the time and it was a completely different video than the one you were actually referencing but you would condemn them now I don't condemn anybody doing anything bad to anybody I I'm not a person out here with a criminal record I don't hurt anyone I just spent
my first segment on this show talking about how I believe in Law and Order and how important that is I think people can operate inside of their lives safely and walk around man woman child can walk around in safety in any City they live in how that Law and Order is constructed is not my jurisdiction I'm not in charge of the Law and Order of of Afghanistan Tajikistan kyrgistan Afghanistan Kazakhstan any of them there nothing to do with me I want to talk to you after the break about masculinity why is it that so many
young men gravitate to you what is your view of what it takes to be a man welcome back to the special edition of Pi Morgan on senstive with Andrew Tate one onone so Ash Saka who's a a lively contributor to this program has tweeted Andrew Teo you're interviewing about Free Speech thinks women are a man's property we shouldn't be allowed to drive boast about only dating teenagers to imprint on them misogynists are disgusting whether they're an Afghanistan or a Swanky London Studio am I a misogynist am I I don't think I first things she said
I don't even truly believe it's I can if you're prepared to listen to me I'll explain to you exactly why she's utterly completely utterly wrong if you can go through the points again she do you think you're a misogynist absolutely not I'm not a misogynist on any level this is one of those buzzword they throw at they just throw at people randomly homophobic racist misogynist throw it out at people what is your view of women I'm a realist what is your real view of women I absolutely notely love women I adore women I have good
relationships with women not a single woman has come up to me on the street since I've been canceled not a single one has said anything negative every single one of them has said positive things you're a traditional male I wish more men were like you you understand your masculine roles you understand what you're supposed to do you understand you're supposed to protect women you're exactly the kind of man I'd be looking for I've never had a negative interaction with a female ever since I've been dubbed the biggest misogynist in world please please let me finish
I'm sorry sorry Piers also there's not been a single woman who's accused me of a crime not a single woman who accused me of rape not a single woman has come out and said anything from my entire past of 36 years I've done anything wrong ever anybody else with my level of Fame any footballer any other movie star at least has people whove come out and accused them of rape XYZ I have no woman who's come out and ever said I've hurt her no woman has come out and ever said I've done damage to her
or been horrible to her everybody who ever's interacted with me has said I've been a nice person all of them so this random Twitter nobody who seems to know so much is full of all right you you've responded to her tweet yeah but here's where is the line for you between masculinity which I will always defend and which I agree with I think a lot of women like men to be masculine and and what has become known as toxic masculinity and the reason I ask you is it you are engaged in that debate with men
all the time where is the line for you where men shouldn't cross where the behavior should be kept within a line please define toxic masculinity well you tell me what you think it crosses a line from being a masculine good man to a bad man there's no such thing as too much masculinity if it's genuinely masculine genuine masculinity is not out here to hurt people it's absolutely the opposite it's out here to protect and when bad things happen they call traditionally masculine men if you need a firefighter you need a masculine man when you call
the police because of the problem you have you want masculine men and as soon as a woman or a man is in trouble when you look for backup you look for masculine men and masculine men have a duty to provide and protect those they care about where we have a duty to do things we don't feel like doing because we know we're supposed to do them and that's why we stayed in the Titanic and died those were masculine men where where did you get your views about this from this what I grew up with it's
the family I grew up around and your father your mother and and the world I lived in and I think a lot of the things I'm saying now about masculin and how people should act and the world how the world should function were considered completely normal and accepted by everybody only 20 years ago I think the world's just lost its mind for me to stand up and say a man should protect a woman now gets to be called a misogynist and canceled if I said that 10 years ago everyone would say duh and what's funny
is everyone who argues against me and says men shouldn't protect women especially all the feminists if they were with their boyfriend and a man broke into their house guess who they'd expect to go downstairs who do you think you think they go themselves are they going to Afghanistan no we send men to do these things so women we send women in the armed forces too you have to generalize when you make points there are many many people not disprove the rule no but there you got to concede there are many courageous women serving in the
arm for absolutely and utterly completely correct but by and large traditionally soldiers are men exceptions do not disprove the rule well it's not an exception it's the fact that there are a lot of women the Armed Forces correct but if you were to take the average Soldier they are a male if you're allowed to say who's a male and who isn't nowadays I'm assuming their gender I apologize if you were take the average Soldier they're a male which means that exceptions are the female soldiers which because there's a lower percent of them a lower probability
exceptions do not disprove the rules men do the fighting right now in Ukraine men cannot leave women are allowed to leave because men have to fight in the front line and women are allowed to go to Dubai that is how it is what do you say to young men who come to you for advice who feel lost who don't really know where they fit into society I say that life as a man is exceptionally difficult I say the most beautiful and the most terrifying thing about being a man is you're born without value Society doesn't
care about you you're only going to be cared about based on how useful you are you have the chance to build yourself up and become a superhero if you're prepared to do the hard work and be indefatigable enough to never quit but if you're going to stand around and wait for a hand out nobody's going to ever respect you and I think that a lot of people have forgotten about how difficult and how competitive it is as a man we're always in constant competition with each other and it's your duty as a man to stand
up and say I want to be as important and strong and good-hearted and God-fearing as possible and I need to work hard to achieve those things Dame Sheila hanock says we've become too over emotional as a society crying too much about everything has she got a point she's completely right and the dangerous thing about overly emot men is that they're dangerous they're genuinely dangerous this is what's crazy all these people who talk about toxic masculinity and how bad it is for men to be traditionally masculine a traditionally masculine man does things he doesn't feel like
doing because it is his duty to do them he charges into the bir building because it is his duty not because he feels like it because it is his duty we're now teaching the new generation of men that they don't have duty and they can just act on their feelings and act how they feel and they don't have to act as a man should do you know what happens when you get men who just act how they feel you get School shooters you get violence you get rapists men who do not control their emotions are
dangerous if you find a man who is stoic he's not going to hurt people he's going to sit and think about his actions very carefully and he's going to be a good man who protects for and provides for his family you find a man who just acts out on impulse and does whatever he feels like you're going to find a dangerous man sitting here telling men to cry more and act with their feelings and it's okay to feel this way that way Etc and have no self-control that is why we have the problems we have
in the world absolutely not really wrong so when they talk about toxic masculinity they have it completely inversed on its head completely notely wrong we need to be teaching stoicism we need to be teaching young men to understand that the world is very very difficult it's hard to be a man you're going to feel bad sometimes you need just suck it up and perform anyway not to sit there you cry your eyes out or blame other people being a woman too in modern society certainly tough being a woman but I'm not a woman so why
would I speak on issues I do not understand I'm a man you can feel an empathy for woman I feel empathy certainly but I do not understand their issues a lot of men come up to me and they admire you I got to say a lot of women are spoken to don't admire they think you represent misogyny they think when they hear you not commit to saying the Taliban shouldn't be banning women from University education why can't he just say that's wrong well firstly that's not my experience I experience the absolute and utter opposite of
that secondly it's because it's a moral point I'm making my moral point is I speak on things I understand I speak on experiences I've had you believe in equality I speak yes I speak on sure I speak on subjects I know intimately I do not feel qualified I'm a realist and I do not feel qualified to sit and discuss the gender laws in Afghanistan I have not been to Afghanistan I have not researched to subject thoroughly I'm not going to sit here and say how they Taliban should be running their country it's nothing to do
with me I find it quite flattering peers that although you know I understand I'm monumentally influential the most Google man on Earth Etc I find it very flattering that you think I have some kind of control over the domestic policy of Afghanistan but I assure you I don't I don't nothing to do I'm not asking you to have a view on having influence of a domestic policy I'm sure the Taliban couldn't give us stuff what either of us say about it um it's just curious to me that it's an easy win for you to make
women think you're not anti them to say that when they're not given equality as the women in Afghanistan clearly are not because they're not allowed to go to university now as of today that is clearly unequal unfair we should all be able to agree that that is wrong well certainly as a real even you tough guy Andrew it's not a tough guy I am a professional as a professional I can state that yes it is not equal yes it is not fair that is obvious for anybody I'm not saying those things are not true what
I'm saying is it's nothing to do with me okay but you made a concession you think is wrong is wrong then I said it's unequal and it's unfair yeah so wrong well perhaps for yourself Andre no perhaps it's wrong under certain moral guidelines but under the moral guidelines which are currently in charge of the jurisdiction of Afghanistan they don't believe it's wrong it's nothing to do with me I I'm not going to sit here and tell other countries how to run their laws I'm going to live in societies which with laws you know what I'll
take unfair and unequal sure because that's self-explanitory we're going to have a game of chess in a minute after the break because you are a very good chess player I can hold my own with the chess board your father was a chess uh International Master uh in fact and we're going to have a 5minute game with speed chess Winner Takes all Mr Tate welcome back to Pitts on S Andrew Tate is still here Andrew's father was an American chess International master and his son's pretty good at it too well I can hold my own was
my school chess champion uh and with 5 minutes left on the program we're going to have a game of speed chess when it takes all all right you're all white off we go racist off we go five minutes go that's racist Piers cancel Piers Morgan okay are you good Piers well going to destroy me clearly from this opening better than you see I guess AR okay let be aggressive should we School chess champion eh mhm it's tense certainly lenux L was better than you when I played him was he well he beat me 39 times
out of 40 check yeah he is uh pretty good at the game I heard mhm time to get aggressive with you Mr Tate show you about a toxic chess masculinity well the world's been pretty aggressive with me lately Piers so uh I'm used to it it's fine okay oops apologize how long we got why do you think the queen 3:45 why do you think the queen gets to jump across the board and the King doesn't because it's sexist the game of chess is sexist but perhaps it reflects life peers haven't you ever thought that when
you look at a yacht in Dubai you're running out of time stop stalling I know what you're do fine I'll just take que oh God I'll just take her Queen did Dam it I was trying to give you a little speech there you didn't want to listen to it I trying to tell you when you see a yacht in Dubai the girl just gets an Instagram invite gets to jump right on board she gets to run across the board and do whatever she wants but the man has to get there a square at a time
the man had to buy that yacht that's the difference between being a man and being a woman that's why the queen gets to how she does chalous man just always lets ladies go first life and chess reflect why I let you go first life and chest reflect Pier mhm I've made a catastrophic error but I'm bouncing back see I always accidentally take someone's chick three minutes I don't even mean to it's just like oops you you stop knocking my pieces over like some thg yeah exactly he not getting in my head they're talking to me
saying you're getting in my head um how do you think chess reflects life I think that it's all about strategy correct that if you're good at chess you can be good at pretty much anything because it's about thinking ahead it's about planning it's about Relentless practice and you know what else is beautiful about chess if you lose somewhere you made a mistake there is no luck absolutely right and chess even if it's the smallest mistake somewhere it was your fault it teaches absolute self-accountability which is something that we need a lot more of in the
world today that is true and that's why chess is so important you can take my night if you want you don't want it night uh cuz I'm playing a long game okay thought you'd want it I'm going to leave it there in case you take it anyway I'm going to go cuz I know what you want me to do and I'm not going to do it actually sure I will do it now okay good check H check check check how long I need to buy some time here I need to buy some time uh this
is really playing well on Radio by the way I have that thank Dam it ah I'm screwed I'm screwed say that how long I got minut believe in yourself I never ever give up believe in yourself I do believe in myself thank you good self-belief is important I do believe in myself but this has not gone well you're quite good at chess I'll give you that yeah well in the chess board of life I've done pretty good I've done okay check the question is can you beat me in time you've only got 50 seconds check
that's interesting yeah I don't think you can let's see uh mate in two Piers yeah you can have that doesn't matter it's mate and two check mate good ah good game sir well played thank you 25 seconds away from safety okay well Andrew Tay I'll give you something uh you're good at chess thank you I'll you have to be you just beat me I know you're a national internationally what hases chess taught you about life quickly I can teach you a lot of things like I said about the queen being able to run around the
board the king having to move a square at a time about the fact you need to think ahead absolutely everything is your fault but there is a saying which is actually one of my favorite sayings in the world it said a well- gamed a well-played game of chess is the sign of a gentleman but an expertly game expertly played game of chess is the sign of a wasted life and it's kind of sad it I play I played L Lewis in on Celebrity Apprentice 39 times out of 40 in America years ago and he he
beat me 39 times out of 40 I mean uh and I was amazed he was taught by his mom but he was all about the way he fought the way he boxed was all down to the way he played chess yeah chess it was all about looking ahead getting ahead of your opponent planning planning punches you know all that kind of thing chess absolutely reflects life and even I say this now in my business meetings with my team a lot of the problem in the world today especially with teams and businesses Etc everyone wants to
be the king but if you want to have a team if you want to have a side that wins if you want to win a game with chess everybody has to know their role and do their role effectively there can be a king and a rook and a pawn and a bishop and a knight and everyone does everything correctly and when that happens you have a very formidable board and you're hard to beat and uh Chester flxs life absolutely is something I do every single day what kind of man was your father he was the
greatest man on the face of the planet but uh luckily he had me and now in the natural order of the Universe he is gone and I am here and I carry his name and it is my duty to bring honor to him and this is one of the greatest things about achievement because achievement honors your ancestors people talk about my father because of how successful I am and people will talk about me into eternity even after my death because of how successful uh my son will be this is the great thing about achievement it's
an honor to your ancestors what would he have made of your success your father he would be extremely underwhelmed by it because he always expected of me I am emry Andre T theii I can do whatever I put my mind to and he would be like well of course you decide did you want to become the most famous man on the planet it took you a few months of course does your does your mother ever do what my mother does occasionally go I think you went too far there my mother has absolute trust in my
abilities and capabilities she says be careful do your best but you are the most capable and competent man on the planet and I that was a question that that's what she says she says be careful does she ever say you shouldn't have said that nah she knows better than that really go now never she says you're just be careful you know what you're doing it's kind of hard to argue against me and this is what my haters seem to struggle with it's hard to argue against a person who is monumentally successful in every single human
metric that can possibly be measured this is why young men respect me so much they want you tell your mother what want to be my life do you ever tell her what to do I don't need to she's a full-grown woman would you ever tell her what to do I would give her my advice if she asked for say you can't leave the home you can't drive all those things you joke about I would give her my I'd give her my opinion I would say perhaps you should move house now or perhaps that's not safe
or yeah I would absolutely because I'm responsible for her safety and when you're responsible for somebody's safety you have an opinion and you need to have a firm opinion on that subject so completely for any woman I am responsible for any woman I'm responsible for her safety I will sit and say that's an unsafe thing to do how much are you worth I'm a billionaire by now dollars or pounds about dollars we're not in pounds yet but we get there so what to do yeah we have a little bit of work to do but finally
I know you don't know anything about football and care even less but greatest of all time Ronaldo or Messi they're both two very hardworking men and I have absolute respect for anybody on Earth who dedicates themselves in this Andrew tape thank you very much indeed that's it for tonight keep it unsensitive like it was tonight
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