Tucker Carlson | This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von #468

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damn yapper he's one of the guys that uh that has made a big transition recently from going to a major Network to um onto X which is a major network but it's a little bit different uh you guys know him probably by name and if you don't you're going to get to um today's guest is is Tucker [Music] Carson I'll sit and tell you my stories shine on me and I will find a song I singing [Applause] insert is in are you need a spit cup yeah you got to try this product it's unbelievable maybe

I'll try one towards the end of the episode it will wind you up really yes once you try this you're going to get a lot richer Zen is that their advertising campaign Zen is not a sin that's the advertising campaign really yeah but the truth is Zen is a powerful work enhancer and also a male enhancer if you know what I mean really yeah talking erection huh yep there's no election for it with Zen wow I don't know if I want a Zen supported wiener you know I don't know I think you do I think

you you think so oh yeah because you want people to get addicted to Just Close Your Eyes D it's like that that's the neighbor saying hey it's real quiet over there just whack it on the [Music] nightstand ah sorry excuse me sorry dude I would hate to have a real long wiener if you have a cat would be the that would be the be dangerous it would be dangerous talking about a cat toy oh yeah but you'd have to put a little bell at the end of it or something you a feather yeah um nice

to meet you man we never met dude you have such a crazy you have a crazy laugh don't you it's real it's beautiful it's beautiful I shouldn't say that it's very hot is this are we on TV huh is this being recorded yeah yeah so yeah my laugh is very high and that's how you know that it's real because it's so embarrassing and I do it anyway I like that yeah and I shouldn't have said that it's not nice to condemn somebody's laugh or whatever oh I you can't hurt my feelings okay go ahead and

try oh I'll give it a run man okay good um no I think your laughing kind of reminds me of like a like a proud kind of Grandmother from like maybe the 1850s or something maybe totally sending her boys off to war [Music] or like a woman that just got a new cookie recipe in the mail you know it's joyful but there's a sort of undertone of diabolic oh yeah yeah but in my case it's totally it's totally real and again it's not an appealing laugh it's not like wow what a manly laugh that is

it's not a chortle it's more a giggle yeah yeah no it seems like a kid yeah like a kids would love it it seems like um but not too much yeah it reminds me of like when the Poo kind of you know you you low key do have a Christopher Robin Vibe if he grew up you know thank you I don't think he ever did though I think he exists only in the pages of the books oh yeah actually there was a Christopher Robin that was mil's son and he grew up to be a super

bitter bitter atheist who hated his dad uh-uh yeah it didn't work really it all fantasy yes wow unless I miss remembering that AA Millan who wrote the book yeah he had kind of a tragic family life oh that's heartbreaking um good to see you today man we never met before one of my children is like your biggest fan really yes and are they like how children are we talking mid 20s oh that's fine I'm just saying I don't want yeah I don't nothing creepy or anything that I don't need like because it's kind of weird

that they allow like little kids to watch you CE like sometimes it's weird that there's no barrier to entry in a lot porn on Twitter dude so I mean in a world that allows that you're fine you think there should be porn on Twitter no no it shouldn't be porn on Twitter I mean I'm you know no yeah don't go to TW I mean I don't I mean I wouldn't you know spend a lot of time trying to ban porn on Twitter but like porn Twitter come on yeah Twitter is for your ugly opinions not

you know not your nudity yeah um what things do you think shouldn't be on Twitter I mean I think everything should be allowed on Twitter I mean I'm on Twitter because everything is allowed right um I don't think everything is allowed on Twitter I haven't found the boundary yet but but Elon Musk who owns it has said he's for fre speech and if it's a political view that most people don't like it's still allowed and I'm so grateful for that as someone with unpopular views you know well didn't they have well one thing that I

don't like on Twitter sometimes you see like people beating up teachers and stuff like that you ever seen any of this violence that happens I don't like it but the fact that they allow it and kids beating up each other they have like those things where somebody's going to set up a somebody's filming some other kids like are gonna come in and beat up the kid right um but why do they cuz then I feel like if they would stop allowing that then cuz other kids just start mimicking what they see well it's also bad

it's bad for you to watch it I say someone who's watched a lot of it it's like the Isis videos do you know what I mean or there's a whole bunch of channels of criminals getting shot coming into a jewelry store or a liquor store and some Korean guy just blows them away and you can't help but love it I mean it is the most alluring kind of porn you just watch it again and again this guy getting killed yeah and you think this is not good for me actually I shouldn't watch this yeah there's

probably part of your spirit or whatever totally it's not edifying it's it's like actually bad but it's very hard have you ever seen the criminals getting killed oh yeah yeah I've seen a couple of them there's one guy who's so good at it he's killed like seven criminals yeah he he's a watch maker in la oh is he yeah no it's a very famous guy oh there's a one guy I'm like dude they got to quit trying to rob this guy well he finally gave up and now I think he lives in Vegas but this

was in the 80s or 90s in La I think he killed five people literally with revolvers too this was this was before everyone had like a double stack you know 19 round magazine these were just like with conventional 38 or 357 revolvers that's him right there can you have that up for me Nick this is a um yeah watch seller he's actually a watch maker he's the guy who you know fixes expensive watches and makes the new gears he's a very yeah look at that Mr Thomas the dealer Lance Thomas was wounded five times at

his shop Wow Let's see he's like the 50 I'm I'm sorry is my memory pretty good or what he killed five robbers since '89 that's amazing he's like the 50 Center watch maker he's like 50 seconds he's like okay that's good that dude's unreal they ran me out of business Tomas says there's got to be a truce there's got to be a time there's got to be a time when you walk away from the war zone wow so he just quit because it was too what a BMF I mean he just yeah he shot a

couple in one day he says this is his best quote Mr Thomas said he felt No Remorse for the lives he had taken the police ruled each shooting was justified I was Ice he said a frightening thing about this is that it all becomes easier wow it's not good for you to I mean you don't want to have to kill five people I don't you know I don't think it's I don't think it's good for you what's a fair amount of people to kill I don't think you want to kill anyone if you can help

it you know I mean well it's certainly justified in self-defense I mean no one will judge you no no honest person will judge you for killing someone to protect your life or your loved ones even your property but I just don't think you want to have to do that yeah I agree I I mean well unfortunately there's some people I think that wake up and they they're kind of like kind of looking you know wouldn't mind getting into a little you know killing or whatever but I think yeah I think you have a lot of

people move into places where you can defend yourself where the laws are more in your favor to defend yourself because it feels like your own safety has become your own responsibility well if you can't defend yourself you're a slave I mean by definition if someone can hurt you but you can't defend yourself then you're not a human being you're you're subhuman obviously yeah like because that that's a human right that precedes government right I mean being a human I def defending yourself you know you have to be able to defend if I walk up and

punch you in the face and you can't hit back I'm the master you're the slave obviously yeah you know yeah that's why I think it's one reason why you can't take guns away is because people have at the end of the day have to be able to defend themselves or groups of people have to well of course and the police you know they've got their own thing their own concern and yeah you can't rely on them um but I was thinking yeah what I don't like about those vi like the violence that they show on

Twitter where it's like the children beating up children is because if you're a kid and you see that and you see it gets a lot of traction then you just go do it so you're just replicating this VI like that it's like you see so many more kids doing it now because they've seen it as like a thing like so that kind of thing I don't think they should allow one there well also you don't want to see every ugly thing that people do you know what I mean yeah you don't want to see fat

people in the shower you don't want to see people in the John like there a lot of things that happen that you don't necessarily want to look at video of I don't mind watching a thick person in the shower if there's a real skinny person there with them and they have to like kind of like jockey for position or something you know shower was somebody's hard I think I don't no matter what size they are have you seen a lot of that I think I've I've been in some showers with them you know with varying

Siz as of humans and yeah it's always what's the fattest person you've showered with oh probably a [Music] good I'm trying to remember fat or just kind of bulky I remember I picked this gal up one time trying to go back to how it felt on my back um I probably say upper ones upper ones but you're not going to I wouldn't get into that no no no no just as okay you're lying I can tell not yeah yeah yeah you are okay no is there laws like do you know if there's any laws like

if there's people who are doing pedophil right and they are reaching out to Children through social media why isn't there a responsibility on the social media companies for allowing that to be a open wall I think there is I think there is and I think some have got in trouble for that oh okay providing a space for that um look I'm not a I'm not a lawyer uh but it's certainly wrong certainly immoral yeah and I and I you know you got to think they make some effort to stop that though I think there's there's

a lot of there a lot of creepy people out there yeah and the number of creepy people is increasing you think so seems to be yeah seems to be yeah I wonder why that is huh because you can look up other creepy people it's kind of like you said you wouldn't allow video of kids fighting on the internet because it inspires other kids to fight I think you know creepiness inspires creepiness right yeah that's a good point um yeah man I just want to get to know you a little bit I want to get to

know you too and not like the whole shower thing oh no out no no you don't weigh enough I don't think close for what I'm looking for okay um yeah man nice to meet you so you grew up you grew up in California right I did and so were you I think people were you in a fraternity I think that's the most thing people look at when they see in a fraternity yeah wasy no really no okay I never joined a fraternity all my roommates joined a fraternity I actually lived in a fraternity but I

never joined and I don't like to be told what to do at all really no me neither dude like at all like at all at all yeah yeah it's my big it's like I have a moral claustrophobia about being told what to do I'm happy to do things I don't mind serving other people but it has to be voluntary I can't be ordered around yeah I don't like being told what to do hey go get me a cigarette you're a pledge I don't think so yeah that's a good point I don't think not going to

do that yeah and I don't want to be told what to do by some white kid that's in uh poly sigh or whatever or any color kid no color kid yeah yeah or adult for that matter I just don't want to be bossed around and by the way I don't mind taking advice or wise counsel from people I respect or I'm often wrong I'm not saying that I'm always right I'm definitely not but being ordered to do things suggests a level of disrespect I just can't I just just can't deal with it at all and

even just about like work and stuff were you always like that from just like with work like you want to be your own voice of course yeah I mean that's where you end up right getting fired right yeah yeah I mean not that I don't I don't want to fight about it I'm not interested in being like you can't tell me what to do or you know give a lot of lectures about it but I I def especially in my business you have a similar job where you know you're paid to say what you think

yeah right and so you you want to do your job which is to say what you think was there even a time when you were working at different news places where you were like gosh this still isn't my own voice oh all the time really was always my own voice but there just you could feel the parameters I mean I started in my 20s mid 20s I'm now in my mid-50s so it's been a long time why you look great for 50s man I'm 54 are you really yes oh wow I know isn't that shocking

shocking I don't feel it but anyway but when you're when you're much younger and you've got little kids I always had a lot of kids just reproduced like a crazy person yeah which I recommend strongly to you um you know you feel vulnerable and like you know you're not allowed to say certain things and I do think I I was never censored but I self-censored for sure you know the waren rock breaks out and you're like maybe it's a good idea but it's not a good idea and you know it's not a good idea yeah

you know what I mean but you allow yourself to be convinced because you know it's super unpopular to say it's not a good idea but it clearly wasn't war with Iran not a good idea I can say that now why do we go along with that consensus a lot of times what is it that makes us afraid to speak out well people have a deep need to be part of a group it's just it's a human need right up there with sex and food and shelter you know it's like people want to be connected to

other people which I understand and and I want that too but that can override reason and Common Sense very often so if you're I know million studies been done on this but if you're in a group I mean everyone experienc you're in a group full of people and everyone's like you know I hate chocolate ice cream and you're like I kind of like chocolate ice cream but you don't say anything about it cuz people like chocolate ice cream suck and you're like yeah they kind of suck you know it's just it's a human thing and

um so it's people go along with stuff that their gut tells them isn't the right thing but you should never ignore your gut your instincts which you inherited from your ancestors which are encoded in your DNA and which are almost never wrong if you're with someone and you feel like God that person's lying that person is lying you may not know what about you don't have X-ray vision into someone's soul but you can smell the deception on someone I know that you can we all can oh yeah or if you feel danger you're like wow

this person poses a threat to me you're right you don't know the details you don't need to know the details get away and if something's really stupid like let's go over a war with Iran it's like what yeah and I just feel like it's you know maybe because of my age and my job I I have a moral obligation to say I I think that's really unwise you don't want to you don't want to go to war with Iran no because I'm not insane that's insane oh yeah look I'm not saying it is either I

don't think that we should be involved in a lot of this you think how's it helping is it helping you a lot no it's just causing all these moral victories you're winning it's causing more problems I don't even know if I'm winning any moral victories it just causes more problems you know it's like hard to navigate between my friends that are different ethnicities or different or from different places now it's like should to cuz we all live here and we're all we should all be United in that right but do you think and I think

when I when I was a child it felt like that we were all am it felt like we were United that we were all like Americans but it doesn't I feel like that's been pretty heavily compromised pretty quickly even which is almost amazing and I feel like um and these aren't debb Downer feelings these are just thoughts I should say that I think sometimes that yeah it's it's like like America just feels like a shell company yes that um that uh people just park their assets we're just an LLC for for the world for a

lot of yeah have we always been that though of course not it was a real country it wasn't just an idea or some shell company or LLC that's so nice I'm stealing that by the way I hope this never airs so I can steal that yeah but no a buddy of mine one my best friends just sent me video about 8 minutes ago he's dropping he's visiting his daughter at parents weekend at a college a wellknown college and there's a huge demonstration in the middle of Campus between you know two sides in the Middle East

M and one of the sides starts burning the other side's flag it's a foreign flag okay okay and this fist fight breaks out and I'm like I mean I have views on you know who's more right or whatever but I thought to myself and I said to him if someone burned an American flag nobody would fight over it you get to burn the American flag but burning the flag of another country which is not our country to which we do not pay taxes whose military we don't serve in that's the most offensive thing I'm like

we have lost the thread man we're all Americans and if you wind up in a place where our allegiance to other countries or regions or things that are not American take precedence over our common americanness I mean we're screwed we're screwed I feel like we're at the Apex of that sometimes yes and if we're not at the apex apex of that I don't think in the I can't tell we're at that in the I think we're getting to that in the moral compass of a lot of people yeah and it's sad because I think a

lot of people myself included or for myself I don't think I ever wanted to get to that place no I never but I think a lot of people are just starting to feel like um you know once your americanism like dis dissolves and once your like Common Thread dissolves you don't have a connection you know and so then you it's your instincts start to take over like we're kind of talking about and you have to take care of yourself and so once like the ice you're on starts to get melding like before you're on an

ice you can skate you're seeing other people you're do you know you're buying a you know bootleg Gretzky Jersey off somebody whatever you guys are all on the ice right you're imitating Home Alone there's a you know gays are there's gay guys always on the ice but it's like um where the gays doing on the ice do you think skating bro stupid but they're having fun right I live and I'll say that I live with the gay ice skater and he could jump over a Volkswagen right that's impressive oh it was unbelievable bro I'd never

seen that how strong ankles I mean just the dude was like a um yeah he brought us out of the living room once and showed us and blew our minds man beautiful guy not that I mean pretty beautiful I guess tall tall which adds a littleit well built too obviously oh yeah kind of I don't know I'm GNA quit thinking about him but um but anyway but once that ice starts to melt the first thing you have to think about is yourself right and so that's what I feel like where we're at now and a

lot of people are having to think about themselves like literally watching our country or what we viewed as our ideals and morals and what we held dear like sink in this water and there's nothing you can do about it except take care of yourself that's why I feel like a lot of people are at there's nothing they can do right now but take care of themselves and they're displacing a lot of their frustration about our economy which we never talk about it's getting very expensive people to live here like too expensive actually oh yeah I

saw some G the other day I was like Jesus man how do people afford that yeah you know how do you even do a bonfire anymore you know totally right no it's completely right how do you if you want to take you know gasoline import on the pallets like it's six bucks you know right but um but they're displacing a lot of that frustration onto regions countries conflicts that are thousands of miles away it's almost like I'm picking a team and all my rage is going to and I do wish people Reserve their anger for

our leaders who deserve it in my opinion on both sides and for the s that are like besetting the country you drive through America recently it's like not in good shape at all it's kind of poor actually shockingly poor and um people should be really mad about that and instead they're mad about whatever Israel Hamas I mean I get it I I I think they're you know I understand people are upset on both sides however you it's unhealthy to be spend all your time in your head enraged about a foreign conflict when your own country

is suffering so badly like we need that energy that constructive energy here and I never hear anybody say 108,000 people died of fenel odal last year in my country oh like young people a lot of whom weren't doing fenel they were taking peret or benzos and they ingested a pill with fenin and they died they were poisoned to death okay that's unbelievable that's outrageous no one seems mad about that yeah they're mad about some foreign war and what a waste you know cuz we can't control that anyway yeah what do you call a person who

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that opioid epidemic thing you know like I remember watching that show what was that show that I really liked yeah dopesick you see dopesick no man I don't know if I could handle it but I I live in a place with a lot of that so I see it well it's about the F it's about Michael Keaton is in it right I think that's him he used to be Batman but now I guess he's selling drugs right which is a perfect example oh it's it's about puru Pharma it's a perfect example of our country even

Batman is selling pills you know well the company that got the country got Rural America hooked on opioids got away with it I mean they paid nobody went to jail yeah the Sackler family they're still they're still rich and like really didn't goil that's what this this ruined my this ruin this I think about this every single day I hate the Sackler family I hate this whole thing that happened it's unbelievable but they got away with it how do you do that well these people this country let they they let a or FDA let these

people down but no one was punished not one person was punished yeah I know and you see people go to jail I mean this not even a political point it's true and both s you know voters for both parties go to jail for very small things very small things and yet you like poison the entire country you wreck an entire generation of kids and you're still a billionaire tell me how that works I don't know if I ever saw that guy on the street I would saw his face off how would you saw his face

off I'd figure it out do you do you bring a saw do you have a saw with you I just turn into a saw that's how much I hate that guy you know I mean it's just unbelievable how many people I got killed in no care concern no and then the way that they lobbied our own FDA people they took them off of the job and paid them more to work for them to help them beat the laws yeah sorry man I didn't mean to bring that up no no know but I mean next time

they tell me I have to take some Pharma product I'm probably going to pass I'm just saying yeah I'm probably going to pass I don't trust you anymore sorry well I miss the days you can get some good pills too I mean there's part of that in this you know when a dude could give you a couple stack or twos you know you'd hold up the wall over there in uh in hoken for an hour you know I think those days are are are over you got to go to fenal I just don't want to

do it no I don't think you should well I'll overdose man I'm so I'm sober like 18 months I would overdose easy You're Sober 18 months one of the reasons I don't do cocaine anymore is because they ruined it why with the Fel used to be this baby laxative yeah but I'd rather than die you know I agree with that completely you know I'd rather get off the toilet and be like oh that was hectic than be like you know laying there just like God wish I could but I got to go to heaven and

that and that by the way is a guess okay but um that's the hope but so how's it been 18 months it's been good man I love it you know how were the first six weeks that's the toughest part oh I know I've been there oh you have yeah what did you have to get off of oh you name it but it's been 21 years but yeah but you still you can drink though no I can I can do a little blow I can drink but other than that I'm totally sober yeah it's it's a

modified who your sponsor Shephard Smith that's what I want to know okay that's funny but I'm not going to comment on it beyond that that's fine um no and no dig to Shepherd I'm a fan of Shepherd yeah yeah yeah but he's just a legend in a lot of circles from a lot of friends of mine from different colleges how do you how do you know all this it's like dude it's easy to be alive and you just pay attention well without commenting on that I will say uh but no sobri has been cool for

me man but it was tough the first six weeks like how what' you do yeah I think what's tough is like uh having to change having to quit something you know having to not have a beer if you need it having to not like have something to give me a little bit of respit from my own anst yes that's a lot of it did you go off everything yeah so I didn't have a problem with any thing except for cocaine so if I drink I could have a drink I'd be fine I hated drinking but

I know if I have a drink the only reason I'm going to have it is so I can go I'll have four sips and then I'll go get some cocaine and then I'll be Fu how did you deal with feeling terrible the next day on the cocaine yeah oh poorly brother begging people for Gatorade over text message yeah it was horrible dude yeah and this this was some of this they didn't have that it's it's a high cost drug yeah and not just on the front end on the back end yeah the next day was

horrible the sad the like the things I have to apologize for yeah what's the freakiest thing you did while in cocaine oh dude I'll tell you some well the weirdest thing is what I would look for escorts on the internet right well and classic cocaine move there yeah dude Hunter Biden has plowed this Furrow before others others have been where you were yeah yeah yeah um literally yeah I think Hunter even was my plug on some of this and so he uh I would but then they would come to my resid I would be so

scared and paranoid I would take the money and hand it out the door cuz I didn't want to not pay for the you know I you know they drove over right you know so yeah I would pay him and then I would just be grateful that they weren't there so you you wouldn't stiff the hooker but then you wouldn't stiff the hooker well play brother I think look I well I just felt bad I did you must have been their favorite account well then sometimes dude I had to talk to a lady who speaks another

language that's crazy cuz then you're playing charades you're high on cocaine you were ordering the human trafficking ones I wouldn't say that dude these people were off the interstate I would say that they were off the inter yeah they weren't like what they call them lot lizards no this was out of this was I mean they weren't I think these were decent ladies who were yeah totally trying to make a dollar I never yeah anyway this didn't get in well but but yeah that was this that was kind of the toughest part cuz I was

just looking for some kind of connection of course and I just that's a real thing what you just said I get that I didn't know how to get it because it's isolating it's drugs and alcohol are isolating you're you're really about yourself when you're doing them and part of you wants to reach out and connect with someone else I think that's Absol I think that's absolutely right yeah I I like cocaine because I needed to control how I felt immediately that's one thing reason I didn't like alcohol because I I was just such a control

person that I needed to control how I felt immediately so cocaine I could do it immediately I would the feeling would be there immediately yeah um and so that's one reason that I liked it but you never got into Xanax or alcohol or anything to help you come down no I wish I had I didn't know you could do that oh yeah you can do that I mean I don't think it's legal but you can so I was doing yeah yeah you're doing it wrong I was just you had the wrong kind of cocaine addiction

and most of the I was doing I think that was Sherwin Williams you know this had you know I remember doing an eightball of matte finish you know so I'm like this isn't legitimate you know some semi gloss I'm like this is for shutters this is outdoor with you know I've done some very questionable cocaine you know so uh what was it like for you getting getting off of it I mean it was awful it was awful it was awful it was it was absolutely awful um but I'm so grateful that I did I'm I'm

thankful my brother and I both did actually wow so it's in your family it's a gene it's a well it's in my family we're Swedish yeah oh yall are yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah I'll the farther north you go in on the globe the higher percentage of people have drinking problems I mean that's I think pretty well established fact look at Santa dude works one day A year I mean the eskimos no I'm serious and you know oh yeah lot of ancestors from northern Europe so yeah alcoholism is a big thing and

I needed to get off it and uh had all these children and a job on TV and it's just not compatible with a productive happy life at all and I I quit and the first few months were like shocking I didn't realize I didn't real well I had no help at all really yeah I didn't I did it at home alone and I not willing to try and have how like were you that kind of per like you're like were you a like well I had a public job you know I was an anchor on

CNN and so I just thought I I don't want to get into the whole like I'm going to rehab or whatever I just didn't want to get involved with that and it was fine it worked great and I've never you know gone back and I I never would at for anything however I didn't realize that I knew very little about about it I hadn't this was kind of before I was using the internet I just didn't know that much about addiction at all yeah and I quit and all of a sudden I had these withdrawal

symptoms that were like shocking my hands are shaking I feel like I'm going to freak out all the time super anxious super super anxious sweating heart palpitations I was like like what is this and I asked somebody I didn't tell many people but I asked somebody he's like oh you're withdrawing from alcohol and if you start to hallucinate that means you have the DTs the delirium tremens and you need to go to the hospital because you could die I was like what I never got that thank Kevin but uh anyway yeah it was awful but

then you know within like I don't know 6 months I felt great I started smoking two cigarettes at once I mean my nicotine nicotine PR got a little more intense but uh but I felt wonderful and I felt great ever since wow and did you ever go to minis did you ever get into a 12 step or no not one time but I love it I I was had just had dinner last night with Bobby Kennedy who's been in 12-step program Russell Brand same thing another friend of mine I almost almost went to a meeting

at Bobby's house on Tuesday okay then what a what a wonderful man he is Bob's a neat guy isn't he he is he's a very deep person and he's learned the right things and people like that make me very Pro 12 step cuz like they're they're just like I'm not in control of my life and they're not because nobody is everyone lies about I've got it under control no you don't you no freaking idea what you're doing you can't extend your life by a single day you're lying to yourself and those around you just admit

you have no clue you're doing the best you can you're a totally screwed up kind of embarrassing person you know what I mean okay and be liberated and so I strongly believe in that because it's true it is the truth I know and the rest of it is such a such a sled we pull and fake it's ridiculous as I always say to my kids everybody knows who you really are everybody already knows what your bad qualities are and they love you anyway so don't even try and hide them I mean I'm sure you know

people who are like alcoholic or bad temper secretly gay or what and yeah they're like oh no one knows no one knows it's like everybody knows are you kidding and and again they love you anyway so you don't need to hide it just be who you are and when you are I mean you are so liberated it it's this massive weight coming off you it's like yeah kind of up but you know more than some less than others but trying and people are like that's great yeah people are way less judgy than you think they

are right there's some there's some inverse of it you know where it's like we think someone's so but then if we look at the way we look at people we might have some jokes about it stuff but most of the time you have empathy exact at dinner two nights ago I'm sitting next to this woman and she said something about was a long story but basically it was about a woman gaining weight and I said to her you know I've never been in a group of just men on a hunting trip or you know where

just men yeah where someone's like ah she had a fat ass it's like men have the widest Strike Zone imaginable men like women heterosexual men like women they don't judge their appearance very harshly at all they kind of tend to like all sorts of women that's true and if you knew how non-judgmental men were about women's appearances you would relax but of course you don't care what men think about your appearance you only care what other women think about your appearance and they're very judgy but it's the same principle it's like we are less judged

than we think we are you know yeah it's funny but you we don't but it's not the nature of us to think that we are did you tell people when you quit using cocaine yeah I did I think let me think yeah uh yeah I did I told them well I got into meetings I didn't it was been in my family you know my family a lot of my family uh it's in my family so the cocaine thing the Dr just alcohol childhood uh issues really a lot of it is more a lot of my

stuff comes from really intimacy disorders yeah like emo like uh connectivity disorders um you know so but then whenever anything triggers one of those connectivity disorders uh then my a lot of times it would Le me to doing drugs you know so um yeah I I I I'm I just love it that what I love about it is now I get to see man I saw a dude yesterday who just got uh a six-month chip you know and the guy man to see somebody whose life has changed you get to witness unbelievable it's unbelievable mirac

I totally agree I had a friend called me this morning right and we've been friends for years and we kind of both know that we have some of the same problems and uh it was like the first time he like opened up to him man we're both sitting there just kind of crying on the phone it was just cuz when he opened up it just made me kind it just made me feel like I was like I don't know I just understood him and it was like I don't know it was just so important well

that's what intimacy yeah I I've always thought that we misread intimacy we think it's When someone tells the truth about other people it's very easy to tell the truth about other people it's only when someone tells the truth about himself it's only when you admit who you really are to someone else that you have intimacy that's the measure of intimacy if you're willing to tell someone who you really are you were intimate with that person and vice versa and that's totally the key so if you want to know how many truly close relationships do I

have that's how you know how many people am I willing to admit what a schmuck I actually am to that's the number and what I love about 12ep I've never actually been to 12ep I've only heard about it actually went I was at Russell br's house summer and he had meeting yeah oh that's coolar was it I didn't stay for it I had to leave but they were one of the guys was smoking which I love and um just old school and and they were anyway but but I love the 12-step thing because you just

like as with Christianity which I also like you admit right away that you are powerless yeah exactly you're not in control your life's unmanageable that's a nice word that they use a lot because it's like sometimes people like man I'm not powerless but I'll be like you know things are unmanageable for me the way that they phrased everything it was just really articulate but anyway man well congrats on that yeah I think it's interesting and it gives me a better scope to handle my own life you know and it definitely gives me more opportunity to

look at other people when I when I'm able to um do you find yourself less judgmental and what what about all the guys you used to do cocaine with do you still talk I did it by myself good that's a fun way to do it chopping outlines at home yeah I change outfits and come back in and be a different guy doing it yeah I'm like hey don't do any this is for me you know just yelling at the other me you're literally doing it alone oh yeah brother I would do it alone and I'd

go hide it somewhere and I'd be like I'm going to bed not doing anymore and then I would get up and go find it you know and I would do more and it does affect your sleep patterns yeah bro yeah I've heard that yeah most My Le patterns was me praying dude that somebody would pour Gatorade down my chimney I was just I want Gatorade why Gatorade just because it's like has electrolytes in it I would be so dehydrated so you're not much of a planner no no you didn't go to Costco ahead of time

just get a pallet of it for home no no bro did you have some pretty crazy nights or no I had a few yeah py yeah keep going crazy the good news is that uh I mean it was a different I'm 54 so so a different time in the world that I started work I started work in ' 91 everyone went to lunch every day and though I was a writer at a magazine and everyone went to lunch for an hour and a half every day period I mean it was a different economy it was

this was before the corporations took over everything and imp planted chips on your phone to listen to your conversation track your whereabouts and before we became East Germany they didn't really know where you were and it was just a civilized place and you could just have lunch and and if you drank it was totally within bounds to have a couple drinks at lunch you know and smoke at lunch and then that could keep going I'm not saying it was great for productivity but it was a better country that's just a fact it was yeah it

was some fun and um so I would just say the great blessing in my life is it definitely erased my memory of a number of years so I don't have a lot of guilt something because I don't really remember what I was like but I don't think very appealing yeah not a great drunk yeah yeah okay and when you drink like even if you're not setting out to say use cocaine you can wind up doing that yeah yeah oh yeah if somebody's got some cocaine you're going to stay hang around them until they don't have

it anymore until you have it I've heard that yeah it's true oh yeah that's me right there I did one time I was doing some cocaine at the house and uh people like I was like a big vest guy for about 11 months and um vest with nothing underneath yeah this kind the chip andales thing some shades yeah dude just chilling in my Park did you ever dance huh no I wouldn't dance I'd make a smoothie but um which is kind of like dancing but just but literally nothing underneath it just the vest no just

vest yeah cuz I was this was in California too the W it was you know weather permitting yeah it's totally normal people I mean I remember I grew up in California and I'd often wore a vest know a silk vest kind of against my nipples I liked it dude remember when silk came out and it was like remember silk shirts oh yeah they were so bad huh I'm not going to remember them yeah I never wore a silk shirt in my whole life you're lying I swear yeah never I never fell for that good for

you actually I fell for it I never bought anything from Fela oh yeah I never did never had anything that was vour I mean their whole EPO yeah in fashion history that I just missed I just totally ignored it I've been wearing the same freaking clothes since 1984 and I mean it I believe that dude if you just say exactly the same like someday this will be super cool for a moment and then we'll move on to something else we'll go back to vests when I was in school it was good man that was a

style yeah yeah you kind of you seem like you were conceived at like a Johnson and Murphy and something just rolled right out I don't know what that is but I will take that as a compliment it's like yeah it's a compliment man my best friend Kevin likes that sh that store what's Kevin do he does uh I don't know he's looking for a place right now but um his wife's he got married but that's johnon Murphy they're at the air airport prod airport I buy almost no clothes at the airport but I'm not against

it um so let's get into something important then right uh did you have uh trying to think of where to take this thing you say trauma no trouble trouble hooks trouble trauma Trump those are the those are buzzword buzzword yep um you're making me nervous I'm going to grab another in you mind one in I'm going to God I almost want to do one but I just don't know how I'll do with it why don't we wait until we're about to close cuz things may happen to you that you're not ready for okay but it

gets wild huh it gets wild in a subtle way it kind of grows on you it's not it's not like doing cocaine okay it's not like firing up the pipe and you know what I mean blast off or anything like that it's a much more subtle organic you just all of a sudden you feel good yeah then you feel the power rising from your central nervous system then sort of going outward through all the nerve endings down to the tip of your fingers and then up here it just starts crackling the synapses you just make

connections that you hadn't before I know I'm making it sound like iasa it's a lot more subtle than that tuck if you did like a Tucker a lip Tucker yeah I would if that was your brand of of nicotine do that because I believe in it tuck tuck a tuck yeah tuck a tuck and you could have a Native American attached to it I love that I definitely get picketed but I do it anyway yeah but some them would love it Native Americans love nicotine dude certainly do God they love it and I unlike most

people I actually know some do I yes I do I cuz I live near I I live near a a population of Native Americans in Maine in Maine and employ two and have for years and they're really wonderful people spent a lot of time with them and uh they the two that I know very well both love tobacco and they have every right to yeah look I think it let them love it you know at least leave them with tobacco you know after everything that happened to they actually gave us tobacco they did 100% wow

yeah it was I mean there are a million different Native American is one of those terms it's like I'm not sure what pass aquatis have to do with hopes like it's pretty you know there was a lot of beef there was a lot of beef between native like different Indian tribes oh yeah yeah some of them were very warlike I think is the term we use but um no they used a lot of tribes used it in in uh religious rituals and they would they would they would use it rectly uhuh really yeah tobacco suppositories

oo yeah there's a ram rod get it up there oh dang huh yeah for real look it up boof and freaking that's insane what I I can't did Indian yeah let's see tobacco smoke in them let's see oh there you go oh yeah look at that okay so that said it was used by okay imported from the new world okay and an insu an insufflation of tobacco smoke into the rectum by animal was a medical treatment employed by the European Physicians right but also it says um tobacco smoke was used by Western Metal uh as

a tool against cold and drowsiness and drowsiness if you're if I'm drowsy and you're blowing smoke in my ass I'm at the I got a wrong po you definitely do and by the way it's not even covered now yeah that's crazy no no that that and leeches are like completely ignored by the medical establishment but um yeah it was it was common the procedure was used to treat gut pain and attempts were often made I'm not making this up you're factchecking me in real time no I love this but applying it by animal was a

technique appropriated from the North American indigenous people yes that's right wow see how great is that that's amazing that they even thought it up I think but if you're chilling around that long you got somebody's gonna blow smoke in somebody's ass you think so yeah yeah dude you get people around so like how many thousands of years does it take in The evolutionary process for someone to say okay we've reached to this point in Civilization where somebody's got to blow smoke up someone else's ass is that before or after the wheel cuz they never figured

out the wheel yeah look I think it's four years somebody's blowing smoke at really it's quick I think it's quick yeah I mean I don't know it'd be interesting to see how the first things happen like that how are the pyramids built I don't know people talk about it a lot you know people don't know we don't know how is that and I'm not by the way suggesting any Theory yeah no well look I think but how do we not know that and why doesn't that make all of us humble like if we don't know

how they built the pyramids 3 or 4,000 or actually we don't know when the pyramids were built to be totally honest yeah if we don't know that then we don't know yeah right oh yeah someone should just say that yeah why don't we just say we don't know yes yeah all wisdom begins with acknowledging what you don't know and anyone who tells you I know the answer is about to lead you into say war with Iran or something equally crazy take the V you know what I mean like that's a lie yeah so never trust

anybody who claims to have it all figured out because he's lying to you well do you think that one of our polit that one of the political parties thinks that they have it all figured out more than the other I think they both do I mean I think politicians by their nature are unwilling by the way every once in a while you get somebody who shows up and starts to tell a portion of the truth and everyone loves him and then he's always invariably accused ofing someone at yeah I got to take him out you

know like Anonymous charges he he me in 1985 I can't tell you my name but it happened they just did this to Russell Brand yeah there's always somebody yeah they'll come out with anybody for yeah but or nobody in his case I don't think I don't think they put a name to any of the four people who are accusing him of sexual assault I'm not shocked well now there's bot they can even I mean there's Bots writing articles now I read an article the other day about my parents I'd never heard of either of the

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right how can you make rational decisions if you if you can't be certain that the input is is accurate I you I I can't really answer that I I know what I do which is I don't read any the New York Times the Washington I don't want that in my head you know the Washington Post or NBC news or they Liars I know their Liars I've written for all three of those I know that they lie so I don't get anywhere near it um when you say they lie does that mean like you write an

article and you give it to your publisher your producer um and then they say no and they change it or what do you no it means they don't assign stories on things they want to ignore I see and and where do they get those orders from it's all by Instinct you know so their job is to protect the people who are in charge you know I mean it's to protect the people who have power currently the point of Journalism is to challenge the people who have power on behalf of the rest of the country right

um and theyve inverted the formula and so they if you work for the Washington Post the idea is just protect George you know Jeff Bezos and his friends at all cost and and that's what they do so but I'll tell you a way that I I I think it's a good start to figuring out what's true is watch what they become hysterical about you'll see somebody occasionally say something and people just land on him shut up shut up let's put him in jail whatever that guy is saying is true or it points in the direction

of the truth right when someone says something that's like legit and say no one's mad at the schizophrenic on the bus you know he's talking about whatever the Earth is flat or lizard people which by the way may be true I don't even know playing duck duck goose on a totally nobody cares because he's not a threat to anyone because he's insane yeah insane people are not a threat to the existing order because they're crazy they're self- discrediting but when they become hysterical about somebody and they're like he's a conspiracy theorist without even refuting what

he told you then you know he's on to something I mean a hurt dog barks right when you have an infection someone touches near the infection it hurts what does that tell you you have an infection yeah oh I see what you're saying well do you think that's one of the reasons why Bobby kenned was looked at as so crazy 100% yeah and what's so funny as I said I saw him uh you know very recently the other night and I said to him and I saw him I sort of follow it I'm just interested

in the reaction to Bobby Kennedy and remember they attacked him as a conspiracy nut cuz the vaccines and he said there may be a connection between the vaccines and autism like shut up and they literally the canceled his contract with the New York Times he had a contract to write for them they canceled it wow and they just basically drummed him out of poite society they don't talk too much about that anymore right but the vaccine stuff because I think there is this recognition and by the way I'm not an expert but that actually a

lot of people were hurt a lot of people were hurt not just with the most recent round of mandatory vacs but in earlier rounds now you could argue it was worth it we have a flu vaccine it academically supposedly prevents the flu so maybe we get it and but some people get hurt but they were telling this for years nobody gets hurt well that's just a lie yeah people get hurt all the time with they get hurt all the time yeah I mean a lot of vaccines it's like even the polio vaccine I I I

recite this a lot but they they tested the polio vaccine in our hometown where I'm from they had a primate testing facility there and um are you serious yeah and that's where they tested the polio vaccine you grew up in a town with a primate testing facility yeah what town tan National Primate Research Center that's got to be the most depressing place in the world is it in New Orleans it's Uptown it's outside of New Orleans no no no no this is outside of New Orleans yeah they don't allow that in Autobon Park do they

there no but uh in our town this is where they made it at but that vaccine gave cervical cancer to tons of women and they knew it when they put it out but they' already ordered it they're like well it we already paid for it right so exactly but so that I think that so it's not it's bad to lie and it's especially bad to lie at scale like if I lie to you about something and you know yeah but if I'm lying to 350 million people that's a that's a crime and they've done it

and the problem is at this point it's like I mean I I would go to a surgeon you know cuz that's pretty straightforward operation I've got a knife I'm going to take this thing out or sew this up or whatever but I don't think I would go to a doctor for well we're going to try this drug it's like maybe I would I mean I I don't know yeah I have had to make that choice thankfully but I would be hesitant cuz I don't trust them cuz they lied they got caught lying and they never

admitted it that's that that's part of it there's never any resolution there's never any affirmation to your questioning and even if you were right there's never any about face acknowledgement but it can't get better if you get in a fight with your girl okay and one of you behaves horribly one of you on say cocaine and says something outrageous and you want to continue to relationship there has to come a point where you're like you know I really was an and I'm sorry and I love you and I'm sorry I did that right and only

when you do that can it get better it cannot be healed before you do that it doesn't work and that's true with public trust as well and that's where we've gotten it's gotten to the point but I don't understand why they can't admit it like I've been wrong about a ton of things and I feel so much better when I admit it and stop pretending that I'm omniscient I don't know everything and that's okay why can't they do that why can't fouchy just be like wow you know I told you this in good faith I

was wrong and I'm sorry he would do more for people's trust in science if he did that he's totally incapable of that cuz he's a freaking sociopath dangerous human being he's a shitty pitcher too you see that quite a shitty pitcher and I say that as a shitty pitcher but even I he's got little dwarf arms but still sorry no it's okay man look at this let's show this Bro God get that dude is out of got a mask on outside huh dude that guy's got but it's so CRI of facia it's like there's a

dwarf on the field with a mask on outside throwing it at the bat boy like this is not a real country if that guy's running it this is this is a joke first of all the bad boy's 11 so he's flirting with a child so let's call that he's flirting with a child let's call it what is freak now half of America needs a Tommy John surgery in their heart cuz of this dude myocarditis right there and there I am with a slider boy well you don't even dick around do you is that you I've

done some some things but no not on this where is that that was St Louis but actually I got to throw one out for the Diamond Backs that's why I'm wearing this jersey how nervous were you um I was pretty nervous I guess it suddenly makes you feel like how old you are you're like I'm getting old how old how old were you I'm 40 oh I was 41 but I'm 43 but I was like oh 43 is pretty old yeah it feels old sometimes actually does it feel old no it just feels old when

you're running upstairs yeah yeah I know what I'm talking about I'm I'm 54 yeah I can't believe that but I always run upstairs I always run upstairs just because yeah yeah yeah you're like I'll show them 100% yeah I've always been and I'm with my wife who's very fit like next level fit crazy and she doesn't even she'll just be prattling on running upstairs doesn't even she does huh she's Whimsical I know she's Whimsical she's just got like crazy cardio oh God cuz she never stopped doing it you know like when you're a kid make

you do physical fit and I took about 40 years off for cigarettes and stuff and she didn't so yeah it pays off it turns out who when was your first cigarette do you remember it yeah I remember it really well yeah it was delicious and my father smoked and was very he smoked unfiltered cigarettes called pel mels he called them pel mels oh yeah pal malls but they were extra long flavored with licorice I think made by the American Tobacco Company great cigarette in a red pack and we had had many so that's I don't

even know if there's a picture of the he smoked right there right there one down one down that right there that's the cigarette of my childhood he picked him up in the Marine Corps when he was 17 I guess they came in his K ration and that that was the cigarette in my childhood there was always one smoldering in an ashtray in our kitchen and everywhere else anyway but I was I was like when I was little I was against it and my father really loved cigarettes and he wasn't embarrassed of it it wasn't like

I smoke but I feel bad about it he was like No And I smoke unfiltered it's because you feel stripping when you're done there's no filter you smoke them backward so the enemy doesn't know it's an American cigarette you burn the logo off the off the paper ah he yeah he really liked cigarettes and he felt sorry for people who didn't smoke so I was like maybe 13 I was in eighth grade when I started and it was it was totally where were you were you out with the boys or you was at the house

and you I was at school I was at school smoked one at school oh yeah it was allow actually it was a pretty freaky with a teacher I know it sounds like it was in the 1800 sounds romantic I think it was romantic it was great just a sneak it sounds like Espionage no no no it was totally open you could smoke at school I could smoke at school through senior year of high school oh yeah no oh yeah you could smoke as a child at school oh yeah I had parental permission yeah really I

shouldn't be saying this it's you know what's so funny people would be like yeah I did iar DMT and everyone's like it's so cool it's like yeah I smoked a cigarette what you're a criminal um but you know I mean I I don't I wouldn't I wouldn't say smoking is a great long-term play yeah I don't think that it is it where I quit when I was 45 because I felt like I probably should yeah it'll probably get me anyway but I did enjoy it I really did I never had a bad one you know

yeah there are no bad cigarettes you're not like oh this is disgusting I never felt that way at all oh wow yeah I've had bad fig newon like you can screw up almost any consumer product M but a cigarette is remarkably consistent and it gives you what it promises you the payoff is always there that's a good point yeah the payoff is always there you know especially that first drag off that in the morning in the morning you know what I loved was they had a man in our area and um uh it was actually

my grandmother was uh married to a man and he would light his cigarette and he would let us in inhale the lit the smoke up our nose when we're really young Louisiana's the best isn't it God it was good I think it's got the highest smoking rate of any state you know what Louisiana does have it has the most people that are born there that die there that never leave there I believe that it's a cool place it's not like every other place actually no dude it is um yeah I always say like New Orleans

it's a good place to get oysters and murdered yeah you get murdered and oysters that's totally right the thing about Louisiana never gets credit for everyone talks about diversity in the Melting Pot like Louisiana actually was that long before most places yeah it was you had a bunch of different cultures there and they kind of got along you know sort of anyway yeah you still got a good mix down there yeah we had a uh area bus called chauna that was the river and it was named after the chauna Indians chauna is that like the

fagawi tribe um I'm not sure that's not a real that cannot be a real name that's a real name TC EF um Shauna yep yeah CH it does sound like AER right there in Louisiana yeah it sounds like a play on words yeah it does well here's how they got the name a long time ago a Native American uh threw a big rock into the river and that's the sound when it made when it went in oh that's so cool is that true yeah true story it's pretty fascinating but that right there is a perfect

example Louisiana to me is that it's a place for great storytelling it's a great place for kind of uh um Family yep you know so that's one story I like to tell about people have dinners with their families there people have 90 minute lunch breaks people wake up get to breakfast and then do two or three things before they go to lunch I love that yeah it was part it just that's how life was it was it wasn't all about efficiency no it wasn't so if your life is all about efficiency in every moment is

being monitored and counts towards something then you're not really human you're a machine at that point aren't you I mean you're a or a cog in a larger machine and that's what I think a lot of people feel like these days well and for good reason there's some chick on the internet like 22-year-old experiencing life in the corporate world for the first time and she does this video like this is terrible I don't make any money and they treat me like and treat me like you know I'm not worth anything I'm not human and everyone's

like shut up and work honey yeah and I watch this and I'm like no no I hope you win I hope you win I hope you oh my I I the seeds of Revolution are sprouting in my heart I just so hate that culture oh yeah that treats people like they're not people like for what yeah well I mean I think for some people in my own sense learning to be a boss and leader has been tough just cuz I never I you know I just started out wanting to be a comedian I wanted to

sleep in of course and masturbate and go a lot right be chatty no I didn't get crazy with it okay I didn't like yeah I was kind of not compulsive or anything like no no I was an organized efficient M yeah just good okay that's fair yeah oneoff kind of guy yeah kind like when they play the trumpet in the morning you never got greedy though you never went back never I got greedy yeah I was like that's it yeah but um so I think learning to do that personally has been a little it's been

a journey for me but yeah I think with with with companies it's like how do we get away from that and is it just sometimes I think America was just this Christian experiment yes that got compromised and has turned out poorly you think think yes I think you're on to something there and I hate to say that because the part of me doesn't really want to admit it well it's obviously true it's obviously true I mean you can't have a democracy unless it's a voluntary system people have to show a lot of restraint they have

to be Allin there has to be some sense of the common good you can't just be like how much can I grab it's like Halloween it doesn't work if all the kids just empty the basket on the front steps you know in the first wave of trick-or-treaters no it's true though no you're right and and a democracy is very much the same way cuz you can take power and then just like steal everybody's money legally and so you really have to have some boundaries that you impose on yourself and if and and that has to

come from within you have to have the sense that someone more powerful like I hate to use the word but God is watching and if you don't have that then it just descends into greed and selfishness which is where we are now have have we let because it's do you think America is still a Christian Nation no no what is it um it's an LLC as you said so brilliantly actually again we've privatized communism it feels like to me that's exactly right I mean I don't no one's for the free market everyone's for using power

to hobble their competitors you know everyone's into the only reason we have regulations is to create monopolies um the system is completely rigged and you know that you asking how do you get reliable information about the news the news media want to talk about race that's like their main thing that they want to talk about black white hispanic Asian but that's actually not an interesting conversation because you can't change your race and like people are different races and they're sort of different but they're also very much the same it's like not that interesting a topic

to me personally I'm not interested in talking about race what's really interesting is that the United States of America is being looted by a small number of people who are getting away with it and they don't want to talk about that right they never want to talk about economics they never want to talk about the tax code they never want to talk about any of that stuff ever and that's how you know that CNBC and CNN and the New York Times and all these people are like looking out for you are actually just a petorian

guards standing in front of the people with the most power and money and keeping the masses from asking uncomfortable questions and so whenever anyone asks about like well wait a second you know why do we tax people at half the rate for investing that we do for working literally they pay half the tax rate so you have a job and you work every day and like and you pay one rate but if you just stay home and invest money and live off the interest you pay half as much so are we saying it's twice as

virtuous to invest as it is to work oh is that what we're saying so if you're a day trader or just trading stocks or something you don't have to pay or if you're a private Equity guy and you can claim that your income is actually investment is interest on your Investments you pay half the taxes so we have a we have a tax code that discourages work and encourages parasitic Behavior now there are arguments of on both sides and I'm not an economist but you don't even hear those arguments because it's like shut up racism

yeah or whatever it's all a distraction from what the real story is which is they're looting the country looting and at this point you know we can't repay the debt that we owe so it's going to be like well unfortunately we had to sell Yellowstone yeah and no I mean it's going to get to the point where we're we sold it to Asians you no no for real where we I mean what and then they're going to say the sale was racist too that's going to be the craziest part you're asking questions about it is

racist yeah you're always the r just to be clear you're always the racist Louisiana man he wasn't David Duke from Louisiana shut up clansmen yeah I used to lift weights with David Duke oh God in prison no I can see you guys in the yard AR all the Aran Nation guys he's like on your back cuz you're doing push-ups bro I was never in any Aryan Nation dude you know not even in prison I never even went to any of their meetings or anything I saw pamphlets or whatever but I never pulled up over there

um but yeah we shared a Back Fence and he used to date this hot girl that worked at a seafood restaurant that I worked at and so he'd pop in there and i' watch him meat shrimp or whatever but what was the seafood restaurant um it was called Morton's Seafood in Madisonville right on the chip the river really worked over there baby and I was a bus boy and they used to have raccoons coming out the wall when they' cook duck the boarding was bad on the wall it had rotted out and they let one

of us bus boys get there with a uh with a broomstick we'd have to stand there and beat the raccoons back into the W they're ferocious animals well they love duck of course they do and pizza oh really oh yeah oh wow they call them trash pandas where I live and you see them outside in the trash cans oh yeah and they love pizza I like pizza oh yeah unfortunately and oh yeah you have pizza and you you know yeah they go crazy I'd love to see now that would be a good Dave pornoy thing

where he gives a he does one bite to a hit a with a bite you know have you ever seen a raccoon eat you never gave him any duck did you oh i p up on them and they're always like this we right with their hands we didn't do it they totally the gayest one is the one in the recycling B he's always like wait you know at least the other ones are in the trash there's always that one that kind of wanders up the recycling bin and he's wearing like a NE your mom's or

something you're like what the has that one been doing you know but yeah they always are like plead innocent or whatever no they do they're so clever I love them oh they're crafty yeah I've never shot one I've seen them so many times in the woods there they are yeah they love dog food yeah that's that's kind of a mangy one I've seen we have big ones where I live yeah I grew up around a lot of rabes so when one would come down the street we'd all have to go inside do a lot of

people have rabes where you grew up yeah I would say it was well there was a big scare of it when was rabies popular can you look that up please when was rabies popular oh when I was a kid it was a big thing get out the street you know there's a sick raccoon or and um but when they they got cars and electricity and stuff they fixed all that I mean they just it wasn't as big of a thing but um but yeah David Duke man we go to the gym sometimes and I'll say

this nice guy yeah I never met him nice guy you know he never you know we just did chest and tries or whatever there was never any racial things or whatever you know but he was a very fit man I've never met him but I will say this and I'm not saying he's a Fed though he's obviously a Fed but every time I would get a new show I don't know anything about David Duke I'm from La Hoya California he wasn't quite as popular there yeah can we find another picture [Music] without but every time

I get a new show there would be some news story David Duke endorses Tucker girls be like why you I don't know you I don't know anything about you I'm from La Hoya okay we don't share a common culture yeah I'm from Mitt Romney country huh 100% literally Mitt Romney goes to La Comedy Store I Comedy Store La Hoya is one of my favorite might be my favorite comedy club in the whole country been there a long time since I was a child really up in the village yeah yeah in fact there was a Jack

In The Box next door that I used to ride my bike to um I remember that jack it wasn't it it was maybe disappeared a few years ago if it did or they closed it down for a while cuz they got caught selling kangaroo meat oh yeah in the 7s and I don't I don't know if that story was actually true but that's what everyone in the town thought I mean look if you can get a couple grams of Rue in La Hoy rub Burgers that's what we called them that's so funny took a close

look at the meat it was gray and kind of gristly and it was not beef I mean I and I think the company was owned by ralon Purina at one point oh yeah and they're out of um I believe they're out of oh are they I think yeah I know they're out of the Midwest um but yeah I loved it over there you would always hear I I love La Hoya it's a beautiful area um but they weren't big on racism there when I was a kid yeah I don't know yeah I don't know if

they well it's mostly white there well that's why they're not pick on racism it's like yeah I mean people are expecting we can't do it no it was like rich white people oh yeah Rich white people oh yeah know it seem like rich people yeah for sure it's like yeah you feel rich even when you're driving by or you feel like people want you to leave I feel like it was it's beautiful there yeah it's really pretty it's very beautiful sad though soless is it yes yeah no soul at all no one had a last

name I mean it was obviously it's one of the prettiest places in the world but yeah it was you know hi I'm Bob I'm a Sagittarius like nobody had a real connection to anyone everyone just kind of passing through and it the first time I went to New Orleans which is obviously a disgusting place but I loved it because it was so it was just so thick it was just so much there and all these weird rituals and customs and just had a culture and I just didn't grow up around that at all and even

though I didn't understand what they were doing in New Orleans and obviously I was very threatened by it because half the town is a violent criminal right but I still liked it because I thought this is interesting in a way that nothing I grew up with was interesting at all I could totally see that yeah I think I grew up in a place that was just so you know it was just there was so much lore and stuff in our area that um and I think that's just a lot of the way that Louisiana was

Amos Moses it's from Louisiana I don't know but I love that song but you just picture you know wrestling alligators in the swamp and where I grew up people literally talked about the weather every single day every day and the weather never changed it wasn't like we lived in Minnesota or something it's very Truman Show there in L it's unbelievable be like well it's it's going to be 72 and partly cloudy moving to mostly sunny in the afternoon it's going to be 68 overnight tomorrow it's and it would just be on an endless repeat it

was a skipping record did you hate that about yourself that like like was there any self like Lo cuz like I hated myself because I was poor right but does that happen on the other end of the spectrum or and I hated my neighborhood I just felt embarrassed right like um um does that happen on the other end of the spectrum where people no not enough there should be a lot more self-hatred in rich neighborhoods I think and I hate to say self-hatred sorry I was ashamed of myself that's a better way to say there

should be more shame there should be more shame like if you've amassed $100 million from sucking the last remaining lifeblood out of some Manufacturing Company in the midwest yeah calling it private Equity like you should hate yourself a little bit you know what I mean and there's none of that and I think that's part of the problem there's not enough enough guilt among the ruling class there's no sense of obligation to people beneath them and that's one of the reasons they hate them so much and that's one of the reasons that the fentel crisis has

not even been acknowledged by Washington is because they kind of know they're responsible for it and you wind up hating the people you've wronged I have noticed like what do you mean that you might wind up hating if you commit a sin against somebody if you're cruel to somebody unfair to somebody you cheat somebody you wind up hating that person as a way of justifying what you did and only way to stop that is by admitting what you did and saying it out loud to the person's face and asking for his forgiveness which again is

why 12ep model works right but if you don't do that you wind up blaming the person for the crime that you committed against him and that's one of the reasons that people who don't get sober are so angry at the world they're pissed at their parents you meet these people their parents send them to rehab six times and they're pissed at their parents yeah why are you mad at your parents they did everything they could and the reason that junkie is mad at his parents is cuz knows that he's actually the guilty party and he's

committed massive crimes against them but he can't admit it so he blames them and that is true at a macro level as well and if your ruling class of all the richest people have gotten Rich by over the people beneath them running these fascist companies that spy on their employees phone calls and like track them as they come in and out of the building and require them to work on Sundays with no overtime and just really inhumane sweat shop type practices creepy stsy stuff those people end up having great contempt for their own employees do

do you know what I mean yeah well I think it's one of the spaces we're getting to right now in the country is people if you're an owner of something if you are a well you know what's interesting is when you say that I me recently met a guy who was a Democrat right he's like a devout Democrat right and he said to me this was interesting I never heard this he said you know I vote for Democrats because I want there to be programs in place to keep the people that are struggling I want

to keep them at I want to satiate them just enough so they don't Rebel they don't have power right and i' never heard that I always said that out loud yeah he said that to me and I was like that's so I never heard here's your we weed here's your porn just don't make a mess just don't make a mess so that the rest of us who don't who aren't as unfortunate as you can still operate like we operate okay so it blew my I just never heard that perspective was this on camera that the

person no this was just in a human conversation there two humans eating uh an inhuman conversation really inh what yeah I had a salad I don't know what he had we were having lunch he the blood of children probably I would think sounds that way he had a O Negative yeah Junior yeah I mean that is so dark but it's so true and and by the way bless him for his honesty because that is exactly what's going on and that's not how you treat your own kids or people you love right you'd never say I'm

going to keep you on just enough assistance that you cannot starve to death but that you'll be like so harried by the shittiness of your existence that you'll never challenge my power like that is a crime committ against that well that's that's to me as an as an American value that was like oh that's never a way that I ever would thought or think no cuz you encourage self-sufficiency cuz that's where self-respect comes from I've got my in a pile and I'm proud of myself that's the goal for an adult man and if you're preventing

people from getting to that then you are committing a crime and you should be held accountable for it in my opinion but there's nobody to hold anybody accountable anymore it feels like I know well I'm very aware of that yeah everyone's in on it well it's just so interesting if but how do we get out of it then by saying the truth out loud I think that's the only recourse I think that's more powerful than than guns I mean I do saying truth I mean that's what they get hysterical about they'll be a mass shooting

and they'll they'll be 3 days is we need to take all our guns away they're not going to take your guns away okay they can't but that's not their priority but when somebody says something that's true I mean they will disappear a person for that like you'll never hear from them again and there's a reason and the reason is nothing is a greater threat to the people running things than true words and that's Kanye you mean I'm not talking about well Kanye was disappeared yeah I mean and my view of Kanye would be you know

if if you you show up on Alex Jones in a hockey mask saying you love Hitler you're probably not really a threat to anybody actually I mean really a lot of people are going to watch Kanye being like I love Hitler and be like wow I love Hitler too yeah no no oh you might be able to walk on with the Devil Rays maybe you know no no but I'm just saying like that wasn't if if you actually wanted to promote Hitler and I hope no one would ever want to promote Hitler but like if

you did that would not be the way to do it right so actually how is Kanye a threat to anybody I don't think he was he is yeah and by the way he's a he's a recording artist he's a musician so like and a clothing designer he's not in charge of federal policy so I did think yeah I thought that was distressing just because I don't think anybody should be silenced if you're not committing violence against somebody you have the right as a human being because you are not a slave You Are a Human Being

you have the right to say what you think that is that is a foundational right and if you don't have the right to say what you think then you're not a human being you're a slave like that's the acid test am I a slave or not I don't know one simple question can you say what you really think and if you can't then you're a slave super simple well now it feels like they own it used to feel like you could write what you think but they now it feels like the paper is owned right

yeah so they can like even with AI coming out it's like they could even adjust what you write so you don't even have a value to write anything anymore it's like hey just put in kind of how you feel will write what you what you're saying like it's getting to that you know what I'm saying it almost starts it could be two years from that where it's like I've been a writer all my life and to see now machines doing that and actually doing a fairly you know serviceable job I mean writing poetry and screenplays

and like yeah giving me a fake father you know but upgrade or no uh a little younger than my dad but I don't know that guy seemed a little bit devious my father seemed a little happier than him um fair I'm going to urinate real fast you're going to urinate yeah that right like a racehorse my brother you ever owned a horse never owned a horse I'm a dog guy really you ever bet on dogs you ever put one in at the track honestly yes I have yeah in Florida and in fact hell in Florida

in the 80s and that dog track has now been closed and I love dogs and I've always loved dogs and it's the one in Miami that's near the airport and it was the most depressing inhumane like you just wanted to send money to pea spending 20 minutes there but I did go there yes I had been drinking and probably other things and I did bet on the Greyhounds and I feel bad about it yeah I do you ever ridden on Greyhound I've always I've always been a sizable man I could and they Buck me off

every time I try really yeah wheel around and bite me yeah they're they don't it's hard to saddle a greyhound no I mean the bus service oh sorry sorry I thought you meant the the dogs oh no oh I spent a lot of time on actually true story yeah I had a girlfriend in high school um but we went to different colleges and she went to Vanderbilt University in Nashville Tennessee and I I lived in New England which is a small colder region sh will Shepard of air go one and I took the bus I

took a Greyhound bus from Washington DC where my parents lived to Nashville which is like 12 hours and then I took one back and so this bus was going on to New York City and for some reason it was 100% Puerto Rican and me and I was at the back of the bus and it left like midnight yeah and I was drinking and smoking on the that's how long ago it was this was 1987 I'll never forget it and I fall asleep because I'm so loaded I'm taking a leak in the empty cans you know

doing what you do life dude and all of a sudden I feel this wet grainy thing on my face and these people right there in the seat right across the aisle were just like full Kus just like oh yeah playing couch ball just full-blown a sound effects everything and the guy was wearing socks and one of the socks hit my face and it was just moist and it had a lot of gravel from the ground on it and I remember thinking this is the I can't wait to get off this bus it was dark it

was nothing erotic about it at all oh yeah right I mean I don't know it depends on what you're you know how you were at the time I think well I was drunk and in a dead sleep and they're rolling ring around and she's making these animal noises like they were not at all inhibited which was kind of impressive in a way but I felt it was very much an intrusion into my space wow yeah that's fair like hey is there any zoning over here you're right what yeah who yeah do we have a town

plan that's a true that's a true story yeah oh that's good oh Greyhound's unbelievable dude I remember one time a guy's on there right sitting by me he goes hey uh and yeah there was a brother on there and he goes hey you want to see something and I thought it was going to be um his wiener right cuz I've been on the bus before and but you said yes well it was a 2-hour ride I was like I'll see it now you know I'm not going to pretend she thought he cut a hole in

the bottom of the back yeah I thought I get it I get it some wiener trick totally gound weer [Laughter] trick and uh I was like yeah I'll see it you know and uh he had a bag of jewelry and a gun and he just robbed a jewelry store wow and he had a bag of jewelry and a gun no buy any but he wanted me to sit there and look at it and I put on a couple of the necklaces or whatever and um did you act impressed oh yeah cuz I was scared and

they always give the guy you know once you if you get out of jail they give you a ticket on the gr but imagine you rob a jewelry store and your getaway vehicle is a Greyhound bus unbelievable you are if you're doing that you're like we got to get out of here in seven hours I bought the ticket it's pretty cool dude it was a yeah I mean I loved riding Greyhound I used to work on a farm up in uh Mississippi and so I would take a Greyhound bus up there and um and I

would ride it up there and there was always people on there the bathroom like on there it was always closed they said you know um I was on one where yeah part of it was on fire I was on one where a guy stopped to meet his ex or something for like 20 minutes and we all had a chill at a IHOP no way 100% dude go to Greyhound bus Twitter feed Greyhound bus help and look at their replies on there bro welcome to America BR I love that so it's just like every Waffle House

they stop at oh it's just like ah the bus supposed to leave at 430 it's 970 somebody like it's 970 well you have a bad watch it but like it's 970 two people are pregnant it's just the list goes on man chances I'd like the people on those buses 100% yeah everything on here is unbelievable this is but seriously oh drivers all my bag to be stol on this trip where's customer service yeah go back one they got a video let me see that video on there I this is what I do at night I

go to Greyhound bus help Twitter feed and they'll show stuff yeah little eight balls between the seats or different things there's somebody found a Graham down there between the seats did you ever do that uh I never found any drugs on there oh that might be somebody touching don't let that video finish please but I spent a lot of time on this man it's insane though rhound bus hell it's called Greyhound bus help but yeah they could change it it would still work um I'm gonna urinate real fast all right so sorry I had to

urinate and that's why I I heard it yeah well then it's okay strong stream saddest part was being little and just not being able to pee in there and I grew up around we had a lot of dudes and they would hold a lot of brothers back three or four years so you'd have a big brother in there and he'd pee with his dude Mr Larry right Mr Larry yeah he was like theyd held him back like seven times right so at that point you got to respect him you know 100% And he would urinate

over your back and it just just right into the urinal dude you'd be standing there peeing right you're like just scared kid remember how scary it was your first time you had to go into the urinals as a kid no oh well I grew up in a less threatening environment cuz there was no one doing piss over my shoulder no he was the Gary pton a piss homie he would shoot from deep and so you'd literally be peeing imagine this and you can't pee you're scared and then a pee comes just from above and goes

perfectly in that's so impressive you just feel demoralized though no but I mean the pounds per square inch just the velocity you you know what I mean you think you'd almost need CO2 some to get that much power yeah it was impressive man it's crazy what some men can do you know or young men or ad you know adolescent yeah there's not a lot of dribbling at that age yeah oh there wasn't any dribbling dude no dribbling it's like and at the end it's like Bam off it's like the bagio fountains like when it's done

it's done I do respect that um what uh so what's your how what is news like around the world that's something I don't understand so different it's crazy you don't real you don't realize that we live in this bizarre biosphere where you have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world you have no idea how you're perceived the United States is perceived and you have no idea really you're place in the global order because we're cut off from the rest of the world and we have these two extremely lame irrelevant countries bordering

us but that's it you know Mexico and Canada no offense I like them both but like nobody cares but there are big important countries around the world and they're very focused on the United States and they've always viewed about what we're doing and those views are never expressed here so if you're a leader in the United States you going be like well we're doing this for democracy this is the arsenal of democracy and then you go to the countries that are directly affected by those policies and they're like you're freaking insane you have no idea

what you're talking about I mean the mindblower for me this summer we traveled all over the world a bunch of different continents and we're still doing it because I got fired so I I've been stuck in a studio for all those years now you got to get out and about well kind of I mean I go on vacation for two weeks a year but that was it you know when you do well you do a show regularly it's you're tied to where you are period you're in a studio yeah so all of a sudden I'm

like wow I'm kind of emancipated yeah for a few months and it was a summertime and anyway so we would but the shock for me was and this is not a partisan point at all at all and what does partisan mean it means like carrying water for a party like this is what Republicans think or this what Democrats so nonpartisan means not this is just what I think it's true and like it doesn't matter what the either party says okay what does nonpartisan mean it just means not partisan it's not you're not connected to a

party you're not helping either party okay but what I mean is both parties Republican and Democrat were saying for a year and a half Ukraine is winning this war against Russia yeah I remember hearing that oh yeah I mean and I still think people believe that so whatever you think of the war Russia Ukraine I mean you know I'm not that interested honestly because I'm not Russian or Ukrainian is the truth but lots of Americans seem to be interested they have their little Ukrainian flags and they're you know learning to pronounce Kiev as keev and

they're doing all the steps that you need to do repeating all the dumb slogans Slava Ukraine yeah they don't you know whatever Americans have this thing where they have no idea where something is but they're like all of I'm an you see it now with the Middle East I'm an expert you know it's like the nakba what yeah stop but anyway but the Article of Faith for most Americans was that Ukraine is winning this war so I mean I don't how do I know you know what I mean I'm stuck in a studio so I

go over to the region different countries at border of Ukraine oh you popped over there to Ukraine no no I didn't go to Ukraine no I don't think I'd do well in Ukraine no they really well the government in Ukraine has like attacked me by name a lot so I I feel like that was unwise who's their master of there their leader uh well the president is a guy called Vladimir zinski oh right that's right he's a comedian yeah a very unfunny one um yeah do we have any videos of him doing standup comedy he's

he's got one where he's playing the piano with his dick I don't know if you can find that oh really yeah but yeah and actually fairly well was it at a sigap house where was that it was in Ukraine somewhere I think that's yeah it's a pretty common thing um there oh there he is playing piano with his penis yes is he really oh yes oh anybody can be president now well I don't know can you play the piano with your penis huh oh no little bit of ball to that's kind of hacky but it's

cute though that was good I like that I said that just I CU I I love that I wish IID said that but anyway so whatever I don't I don't care about these guys in any way but I I go over there and I start talking to very knowledgeable people like the people who run these countries and they're like what no Russia has a 100 million more people than Ukraine 100 million wow and much deeper industrial capacity they have all these weapons factories like you're not it's the largest country in the world by landmass you're

there's no literally no chance even theoretically Ukraine could beat them but aren't they an industrial old aren't they Fu aren't they like you know things made out of stone aren't they like living in the past with a lot of like techn like well it turns out I mean military Advanced well we always made fun of it you know during the Soviet period because it was super inefficient and they were all drunk and they would crash their commercial airliners all the time from drunkenness all the time in fact a famous they're PL they carrier the international

carrier the national carrier is called arof flot Russian carrier was the Soviet carrier and in a very very famous crash the pilot had his son in the cockpit with passengers on the plane and the cockpit voice recorder proved this and the son just takes the Yoke just pushes it down and flies the plane right into the ground so like people made fun correctly of Soviet technology but it turns out they were actually pretty good at this you know they produced a lot of chess players not stupid people at all and now they the ukrainians for

that matter but anyway the point is the Russians were never going to lose period and anyone who looked at it objectively would know that except no one in the United States knew that so that kind of freaked me out I'm like we have a big country Smart Country very the most advanced country in the world supposedly and nobody even knows a basic fact like Russia has a 100 million more people of course they're not going to lose to Ukraine like that's insane and yet nobody knew that so I thought wow what else don't we know

yeah you know and like the amount of lying that you can do in a world where everything is controlled all information is controll with the exception pretty much of Twitter because the guy who owns it is said he's not going to censor yeah El it's nice I feel like that's one thing that I thought was that yeah maybe that's that's what's about censorship is at least you feel like you can say things uh or that things can be shared on there because didn't do you feel I mean as some some who writes comedy who does

this every day do you feel Freer on the platform now on Twitter yeah I feel like at least if YouTube takes me down oh look at that comedy is legal on this platform so Elon like specifically endorsed your right to say yeah it was nice of we had Roseanne Bar on and she's a I like her a lot oh dude she did so much for a comedy she did so much for women and gays and uh oh wait I saw part of that and they uh Hollywood threw under the bus as soon as they had

a chance because they're heartless and um and so anyway she was on my show and she I saw that and they took tell me if I'm misremembering this they took a line that she had and they cut out all the context and put it like on Tik Tok and it made her sound like she was a crazy person or a vicious person which she's not either one of yeah she's a Jewish I mean she's born Jewish I think she's still Jewish right she is so she said um yeah oh and the Holocaust never happened right

she said sarcastically right of I think she had relatives who died in it yes very obvious right right of course and they some guy on Twitter assle Sam I don't know what the guy's name was something fuckl Stein or somebody he made a big deal about it from the Minneapolis fuckl Stein yeah probably I know them this dude just this was two weeks after right makes a big deal about or just put that clip or whatever no context so then YouTube took us down took that episode down but we got to put it on Twitter

so that was nice at least because it was an honest place you know um but what I worry about is like didn't some of these companies didn't Twitter or Facebook didn't they get in trouble for not letting like during election times like not real information being allowed to be shared yeah I mean I don't know who would get them in trouble they run everything and you know my concern would be as we're getting to this election it's very intense you know I think they're you know very intense people on both sides and um if you

actually had a platform that was open for everyone to say what he or she thinks that's a massive threat to the community and I think that the because the truth is always a threat to Liars that's just that never changes people are killed never for lying ever they're only killed for telling the truth you're only punished for telling the truth people get mad is cuz you told the truth every everyone should know that so I mean I don't I can't imagine the pressure that's going to come to bear on this company X now over the

next year I mean it you know it's going to be without precedent I think do you think Elon could be I mean there could be like even an assassination attempt on him or something I would never speculate about something like that but I just think there's can't you're a guy at a bar what are you going to say you know you know I I think there's going to be I would have a food taster I mean I think it's I think look the one the one thing we look if you're doing a great job at

something if you're a great father great husband great employer great comedian you're not too worried because you know you're doing a good job but if you're doing a bad job and the only beneficiary of your work is you and everyone else is getting screwed and they can't even afford to fill up their truck or buy groceries and you're still getting rich you're very worried dictators are always worried about their own security okay so what's the biggest threat to you the biggest threat is someone calling you out and so you have to shut down any medium

where that could possibly happen so obviously Facebook is completely controlled Google is completely controlled Tik Tok foreign own company God knows what their agenda is so really the only big platform that's pretty not controlled with some apparently some limits but in general it's not controlled it's free speech is X I agree so like there's a lot at stake legitimate leaders don't worry about this if I'm a legitimate leader if I'm a good father and one of my kids is like I want to smoke weed at The Breakfast Table you're like you can't sorry cuz I

make the rules no weed at The Breakfast Table I'm not worried about saying that because I think I'm a pretty good father and I think my kids think I'm a pretty good father but if I'm a terrible father who's abusing my kids I can't let them say anything because the authorities might find out like I could get punished for what they know and that is the same attitude that every dictator has that's why all dictators take the guns and impose censorship is the first thing they do they don't want to throw you in prison it's

expensive it's difficult they want to execute you they just want you to shut up and be obedient and Elon Musk in buying this platform and opening it up to all positions even unpopular ones is the single greatest threat to their hegemony to their control and uh you know I'm not predicting their response but I mean it's going to be intense super intense I can say that do you have security and uh that sort of thing if you were him would you have like somebody you know would you make sure that the Tesla truck which is

supposed to have been out for 17 years but that it has extra bulletproof in the glass I would definitely include as a standard feature not an add-on the oil tanks that drop the oil onto the road behind you so the people pursuing you spin out and like go right into a bridge of butman or off the side of the mountain off M Holland you know what I mean I would definitely do that and I'd have like hidden machine guns under the side view mirrors I'd have a death ray possibly that would probably be a custom

feature but I would I would have stuff like that yeah for sure do you think we get Fair news about like even the war like in is in uh Israel and Hamas like do you think we get Fair information about that like Joe Rogan had a lady on recently and she was saying that like the perception of what happens over there isn't the information that we get you know do you see that think of it this way what's at stake people's lives control of governments control of land you know ancient rivalries and hatreds I mean

there's so much at stake here oh this is the Celtics and the Lakers from the Bible that of course yeah I mean it's very intense and so of course there's going to be massive lying on all sides and there is and and that's fine and you go into it knowing that I've spent a lot of time over there and I will freely confess I don't understand a lot of the Dynamics because I'm from La Hoya I'm not from you know Janine or Jerusalem or Cutter it's like I'm not from the region okay I don't speak

the languages but I know enough to know that there's massive lying and and I think it's good to know that the only thing that enrages me is when you hear people say you know you must believe me I have no obligation to believe anybody you have an obligation if you want me to believe you to prove what you're saying right and I have a right to ask simple fair questions how do you know that how can I trust that how and if and if you don't give me those answers then I just don't believe you

and I don't have to believe you and if your recourse is you're a bad person for not believing me you that's my response you and especially in this case where my money and potentially my children's lives well that was a cocaine thing you just did yeah one of these things got blown out of my nose every now and then I got to make sure it works you got to open it up passages I agree with that respect just widen them out there's no shame God it feel good doesn't it god dude if I can feel

it dripping down the back of my throat right now anyway sorry to use profanity on your show but it somebody put on some Casa you know let's wrong is that what you listen to I don't know what happened dude no be honest what were you listening to when you I think it was probably yeah some Casa some traveling will berries traveling will berries maybe a little bit of that's the soundtrack of your private cocain the travel I got a unique listen you know a little maybe some Morgan wall different you know eclectic mix I think

James Blake May what about Dustin a baggie by Billy strings I've never heard that I love Billy strings but I haven't heard DUS in a baggie oh it's a great tune and it's about Dustin the baggy I thought it was an Irish guy Dustin the baggy that's met him that's good Dustin hey Dustin mom's pissed sorry I'm just have you ever been to Boston I've been to Pittsburgh though Dave Chappelle was just in Boston man you saw what they did to him over there it was unbelievable yeah do you think that's fair that they should

because well it's not fair but it's like I don't know if you go to listen to Dave Chappelle these days you know he's going to talk more about a lot of stuff you know davel criticizes Israel spars with crowd at Boston show oh he critic ized Israel so I didn't know that's exactly what he did I mean look I wasn't there I only know what I read I wasn't there either I think da he made one point which I think is entirely I don't know if I agree I I don't agree with Dave spel on

everything of course um but the one point that I read that I did agree with was the United States is implicated in this and so we have a right to have an opinion on it and that is obviously true and anyone who tells you you don't have a right to have an opinion or you must have one specific opinion yeah um is wrong and I think it's fair to say that yeah I think people should be able to have their um their opinions you know yeah because once you don't have your opinion then it's like

how do you how do you get to a revolution how do we get to a revolution because at what point do people just say well if my life doesn't if you don't want my life to mean anything to me based on how you've set up the environment at what point do you go from there to then I am not going to play this game or how does a Revolution start they're very worried about it that's why they're putting people in prison um and I think they should be worried about it they are worried I'd love

to be on a horseback dude but you know how you get to A revolution is by not listening to people and not serving their interests and telling them to shut up again and again calling them names you know something you've got a legitimate question like why should I support a war with Iran shut up you know calling me what you know I have four children of draft age like why is that not a fair question for me shut up and you do that enough and I have recourse because I have a platform um but most

people don't and if you tell them to shut up enough like we don't care that you care about gas prices in your stupid pickup truck well some people like their pickup trucks and they use them for work and if it's not affordable to fill it up that's a big deal for them and if you're like shut up climate change Pig you know your nephew od's On fentel and nobody cares like if you keep that up for long enough you will make people radical and why wouldn't they be radical and I'm so insulated for most of

it because I have enough money and I'm not in debt and my kids are grown and paid for and like I'm I'm in a much easier position than most people and I feel radical just watching right and so why wouldn't they be on the brink of of being unreasonable and it doesn't need to be this way you don't have to solve all of people's problems like some problems are very hard to solve and people know that there's no magic button you press that ends inflation or stops fenel and everyone knows that all you need to

do is Express the fact and do it sincerely that you care you acknowledge these are big problems but when the Speaker of the House who I know is a nice guy from your state the new Speaker of the House comes in and the first thing he does is issue a statement on behalf of foreign country that's the most important thing I'm not even against the statement but I'm just saying like what bigger statement does that make that's him Mikey Johnson yeah and he's the speaker he is and praise God I'm damn Mikey he's a nice

guy and I'm not against him but I'm just saying like if you think the welfare of another country is the most important thing for you as the one of the leaders of our country third in line to the presidency you have lost the thread son cuz it's not nothing is more important for the leaders of our country than our country and how its 350 million people are doing so I was enraged by that and people like oh are you for Hamas of course I'm not for Hamas at all I'm for America actually I shouldn't even

have to answer that question are you for Israel or Hamas I mean obviously I'm for Israel Over Hamas but but that's irrelevant I'm for America and no one even asked that and I feel deep resentment about that that the concerns of this country no concern right right it feels like our concerns don't even matter anymore that's why it makes me wonder are we just a shell company for Israel are we just a shell company for China like where where are we anymore like are we just well there are a lot lot of people who live

here who really like it here who were born I love it here well I know you do and I'm just saying like it doesn't have to be this way we you know there are people there are hundreds of millions of people whose ancestors are buried here and they want to stay here they don't have another passport and it wouldn't be hard to Rally them and just say like you're a Democrat you're a republican you're this you're that but we're all American and let's have a conversation about what's best for our country you would get people

from all sides being like that's right that's the right convers we may not even agree but that's the conversation we should be having and if you don't do that I'm just telling you you play with fire people go crazy and I'm totally convinced that the mass shootings we're seeing and the massive spike in mental illness that we're seeing which is leading to the mass shootings these are manifestations of the frustration the hopelessness that people feel when they realize their leaders don't care about them I believe that I can't prove it yeah but I believe it

because I happen to live in a place with a lot of you know people who are not kind of succeeding in the modern world and they're good people and they have skills and they've been here their famili been here for hundreds of years we should care about them I agree but see yeah I think our company our country has been compromised by people that don't care and they don't see value in that and it feels like it's just um about uh a bottom line or it's about I don't know some goal that to me seems

so erroneous I can't even fathom that you wouldn't have feelings like when you're like that Sackler family that's just let watching People's children die just you can make money off of a pill who cares what are you e what are you going to get another like half bathroom or something like what are you going to get exactly like I just I don't understand the goal sometimes of um of some of that or why people would think that selling someone out to such a point where they don't have any purpose where you take away their hope

you know uh we had a guy on here talk about meaning this guy John Veri and he was real interesting this guy uh is from Canada and he just talks about meaning and when people don't have like um when they don't feel like they're supported by I'm GNA it up but if they don't feel like they're part of a group or they don't feel like um if they're totally cut off from other people and just floating around atomized and alone it drives them crazy right you go crazy yeah put inary confinement exactly so you've basically

taken so much of America by taking away like things that brought us together yes and some of those things were smaller towns like businesses in small towns things that made people feel of value you know my my father went to a um you know my father his family was mahogany Farmers they did wood and so I think if your father went into the woods in your town or whatever part of a company they built tables they were literally mahogany Farmers yeah and you had a table at home and then you it was your dad's company's

table like we eat it our families we we build it in our town some physical connection between labor and reward and all theoretical and digital and Zoom calls and yeah yeah now it's just like do you want to eat at this uh Chipotle sitg go you know where they're selling gas and burritos and you know and it's just like is that a thing but that's a town hall of a lot of it's just now everything has just been it's a Dollar General in most towns and that's what it is now you know it's like just

we've killed off a lot of that you know what's interesting is you drive through I like to hunting fish so I've been in a lot of small towns in America cuz that's where the hunting and the fishing is and um some of these towns and especially the county seats in rural towns have beautiful cour houses beautiful like somebody spent a lot of money and a lot of time to make a beautiful public building one of those hasn't been built since the second world war that is true probably since the 30s since the depression W your

state especially you've got a lot of great public architecture in Louisiana none of it has been built since Hui long was murdered okay so why is that and it's been replaced by disposable garbage in the dollar store I'm sorry to single them out but they are a symbol of it it's so intentionally ugly box stores are so ugly you're like there's got to be a purpose behind you know architecture exists for a reason you're sending a message when you build a building you build anything and the message of box stores and dollar stores and of

public the DMV is you mean nothing we're not going to spend any time or any energy trying to elevate you or please your senses or build anything beautiful it's ugly on purpose to let you know that you mean nothing you do not count shut up and Obey you're an animal actually and I just feel like there's something very profound about that the message that it sends and everyone receives the message whether they know it or not you go into a DMV what's it telling you wait your turn wait for your number and then some sirly

low IQ person like hassles you over it's like I'm a citizen of this country why do I even have to have a driver's license give me my papers and let me get out of here how dare you speak to me that way but you can't because she's in charge the whole experience is designed to degrade you and make you less powerful to take your self-respect away uh I'm very upset by it oh the DMV it's almost like they have a line if you come out of the closet you get to go to the front of

the line you know I'd be willing to do that yeah but that's the kind of I'm saying it's like that's how much they want to compromise who are or what you are but look at that okay the drop ceiling like there's no reason to have lighting like that it doesn't cost more maybe to put some lamps or or sconces or something there's there's nothing more oppressive than a drop ceiling with fluorescent lighting and there's no reason to have that and everything is made out of vinyl and metal there's not one natural material in there why

don't have wooden benches what would that cost extra train stations used to have them but they don't because the message there is all this shit's disposable it'll be in a landfill in 5 years and so will you everything about that is degrading to the citizen and it's not an accident we've been doing that since the day we dropped the atomic bomb on hoshima that is true since the end of the second world I mean I have a lot of theories about it I you know I have no evidence to back up any of my theories

so I should just say that I think that dropping the atomic bomb on Japan convinced the US government and the Western leaders more broadly that they were God they had the power to destroy whole cities nuclear power when weaponized is the most power ful tool man's ever made and it gave people the impression that they were God and they lost all humility and all love for their fellow citizens they lost love for their fellow citizens that's what our architecture post-war architecture conveys I don't love you I don't care about you the British colonized whole countries

India for example yeah they didn't love the I mean they love the but they thought the Indians were lesser than them they did they were racist in our current understanding of that word but they built train stations in say Kolkata or bom Bay that would blow your freaking mind there's nothing as beautiful in the United States as the train stations they built in the subcontinent in India oh yeah stunning places right stunning so like what does that tell you and these were colonial train stations built for Indian subjects right look at that but they still

had a lot of pride in what they built they did but they they people here do the one in Mumbai the Mumbai train station is like the most unbelievable I met a Pakistani the other day well that was part of India up until 19 they have their own autonomy now they do they have nuclear weapons actually oh look at that look at that right there wow look at that come on huh that looks like I mean that's the train station in Bombay Mumbai India oh yeah I've been there and it just I sat there and

it's very poorly maintained the in the Indian government has done nothing to kind of preserve it unfortunately and they've built a lot of garbage architecture they stole from our anti-human Architects but like what kind of country would build something like that a country that cared about pleasing people right you look at that that pleases you you want to keep staring at it because it's beautiful we've created nothing of Beauty in the United States in 80 years like what the hell Roy lonstein and Andy Warhol that's Beauty no it's not it's garbage Yeah Yeah it's bootle

you're getting me going baby am I yeah oh yeah dude I like your attitude well you know where there's great architecture that blew my mind Milwaukee the best down by the river dude Milwaukee yes is a such a beautiful city I totally agree with you I had no idea have you tried Cleveland uh yeah I mean Cleveland obviously is famously screwed up Mistake by the lake but it's like look at that right there so the Germans built Milwaukee was a German City obviously it was oh yeah that's why the beer was brewed there oh yeah

yeah very German City I love but we just I and they recreated Europe the best of Europe yeah Cleveland definitely it was a bit of a different experience I think I when I was there um look at that look at that building that's stunning imagine building something like that and instead we build glass boxes that are lead certified and it's like we've built nothing of value nothing of permanence nothing we have built in my lifetime will last and rightly so there are Roman buildings and arches Rome Rome that are going to last longer Rome Phil

fell in the fifth century and they're still there and that will the Outlast the construction of a half these pet goes or whatever it's true it's totally true yeah sorry that know it's crazy though but we just there's something something happened and I think I think that's the infection that starts to get into the spirit of us you know and I think that's the fight that's going on inside of a lot of people make something beautiful that's what we should be telling kids like your job in life it's not just working for the man and

paying the bills it's make one thing that's beautiful that you are proud of that's an expression of something good inside you make it with your hands or with your mouth but make it make something beautiful I don't know why that's so and by the way the Jo when you say something that you think is that you think not others you think is particularly funny or insightful you're getting the truth about something aren't you filled with like this WOW doesn't that feel like better than anything yeah I think it feels like what you're supposed to be

doing yes that's it exactly you're doing what you're supposed to be doing what God made you to do that's my feeling and we but that's not advice that we give at all it's like how to be an obedient get some stupid degree at some stupid college to be an obedient employee to some stupid who runs it who's going to mistreat you yeah how do we um what's new in your world what are you what well I've gone crazy um what are you doing now that's different with uh you know you got on a Twitter right

and so I know that and congratulations I think because it's interesting it's brave for people to get out of the system a lot of people I was expelled from the system but oh yeah yeah you know you got you got laid off from everywhere was it cutbacks or why did you cutbacks no not good I love I'm I'm going to use that though there's downsizing just downsizing yeah to I'm being retrain I'm learning to code actually they closed the plant I totally get I was on third shift and they're just the demand was in Decline

um I am going to use that though next time why were you fired um but you got out and you moved to uh I was thrown out thrown out and I and Elon called me the day that I my show was cancelled and um and I was grateful that he did and he called you huh had you spoken to him before yeah yeah yeah okay yeah he I had and uh and I really liked him and um I'm not a technology person to put it mildly like at all very anti technology yep like almost on

a crazy sort of Ted kazinski way which is I'm not defending it's so who handles tech for you then kind of the tech people I don't they they they live in Bangalore I don't know their names just kidding no we have really super smart people the bangalorean is the bangaloreans no um actually our Mandalorian most of our staff from Fox came um and elon's I we don't work for Elon just I'm a Twitter user like everybody else but his all he said was um I'm going to keep the platform open you know and people with

differing views whether agree with them or not are welcome on the platform and and that's that's the guarantee that I wanted and needed and so I've been super grateful I mean that's all I've ever wanted by the way um is to I've never been a I have made some money but not I never got crazy rich but I never wanted to that wasn't my goal at all I mean I guess I would like to be richer I guess I don't know what I would do with it exactly well it's now it almost looks like a

sickness too you know I think there should be a c the the the money acquisition thing yeah there was a name for that actually historically it was called greed yeah and then somewhere along the line we like decided you weren't allowed to complain about greed and I don't really and because you're against capitalism first of all there is no capitalism in the United States there's no free market okay the government controls everything you can't have a business without intersecting with government and the government is used by businesses to create Monopoly so there's no free market

so let's stop lying about that second I am not against capitalism I'm for competition I wish capitalism would return to the United States um but that doesn't mean that you can't say if I've got a billion dollars and I need 10 more that that's your sick actually if that's your goal what would you do with a billion dollars I mean I I don't want a billion dollars not that I'm in danger of getting it but if I was I'd be like I don't want that because then you spend your whole life worrying about losing it

and your existence becomes about preserving money when your existence should be about loving the people around you and creating something beautiful those are your those are your jobs as a person in my opinion yeah well how how could we put a cap on how much money people are allowed to make I guess people would find their way around it I mean the way to do it is to say it out loud again everything changes with words articulate the truth it's not an attack on capitalism which again does not exist in the United States and I

wish it did to say it is ugly in fact it's a sin to worship money yeah it is you should not be worshiping money worship God worship people around you worship nature even but worshiping money is disgusting and we should not compliment people who do it we should instead criticize them and say that's gross hey hedge fund manager that's gross yeah I'm sorry I think that no I think that too man I remember like maybe a two years ago I it was like the first time I'd really made some money in my life and I

thought and I remember I was in my garage and I I just was heartbroken man I was remember calling my brother I was crying and I was like it didn't make you happy I thought I yeah because I well I didn't even know it was money I didn't know if it was popularity I don't know what had happened but I got into a different space in my career yeah where I finally knew I could pay my mortgage for the year you know just like and I thought that that somehow in the back of my head

without me even realizing it I thought that that would be the answer to everything and when it wasn't it yes killed me it's this is such but nobody wants to hear that also from somebody who but it's the most familiar thing I've ever heard it's like I could tell you so many stories it just made me so sad that i' just been fooled you know and even fooled by myself and well getting what you want is one of the saddest things that can happen to you I mean when you're happiest when as as a man

I'll speak for men cuz I am one you have a clear mission for now for now I mean I could totally change Oh They'll change I get a better spot at the DMV Tucker it does change you there is something going on yeah in the water baby and that's why I if I could take a break yeah to just promote my non-sponsors in and this these are threes and I normally use sixes but I appreciate the gesture but I do think nicotine does keep your testosterone levels up really I'd do one of those suppositories I'm

not doing a big one or anything you know I mean maybe during the holidays I would it's not like an expander it's just a regular supposit okay yeah I would do something small you know just pop a bead in or something you know if I'm going to be at the Ballpark you know I do probably just something half a gram or whatever milligrams I don't know what it comes in three milligrams yeah dude but but getting what you want succeeding you know that's when men fall apart totally but then also I think that there were

more opportunities for success in the past and there was more opportunities to feel value in the past like I remember when I was a kid we used to get our name in the paper and it made you feel so good like your local baseball score right and like even if you lost they put your last name 0 for four right cried even though put cried like in parenthesis you're like yeah dude like at least I'm on the stat sheet they CAU you crying yeah I mean I had an appendectomy right and the guy who I

think was closeted or whatever was our Co was like assistant coach or whatever and he was screaming at me to get to third base and literally my appendix had burst so I can you show me on the doll where this happened dude I remember we had a dude bus there's something here I can feel it oh bro this guy's screaming at me to get to third Bas my appendix burst I'm laying in the dirt right and that's a sign of our country nowadays they're like get to third Bas you're like I have sepsis and nobody

cares man but they still put you in the stat sheet you know 0 for four um yeah I think oh we had a dude who was touching players and they just called him and they're like look you can't keep coaching if you're G to touch players that was touching him like in an affirming way uh I think just extra affirming like two two affirming like overhand you're affirming but once you turn the hand this I totally agree reach around not affirm yeah if you're doing that yeah from the that's totally totally that's unaffirmed dude um

what do you think about where do we go does does Bobby Kennedy Jr have any chance does a third party have any chance these days no a third third party can affect the outcome for sure but the system is I mean this could change with time but the system it's it's so it's shown no sign of changing I could bore you for hours but you know Ross Pro ran in 92 and the9 remember that you know when he got Clinton elected fear the ears that was the campaign I thing fear the ears I never heard

that I remember made it up that was good thanks but he and he actually was was kind of impressive in he was a real smart guy huh he was he was and he said a lot of things that turned out to be true but of course he was attacked as some kind of crazy person but um including by me I should say damn really yeah I was used as a tool do you even notice you're a tool when you're a tool like that for the for the no wow I was 20 I was in my

early 20s and I was writing I was covering first of all people in the early 20s should not be covering anything other than like kids with appendectomies in baseball like that that right shouldn't be covering National politics in your TW like what do you know you don't know so you shouldn't be rendering judgment on other 100% 100% you know FFA events or whatever but not not politics but anyway I was and I attacked him as a crazy person and I was used by the person I was working for who's still a public person and truly

a dishonest person but anyway whatever leave Chuck Schumer to say it more dishonest than Chuck Schumer wow yeah anyway oh I can't even get into it but uh the point is he got 23% or whatever I think it was 23 that year in Lo perau did oh yeah wow oh dude because he was running basically on pre you know sort of a pre-trump more restrained more academic you know less you know less Trump but but the idea was the same like manufacturing is dying and it's going to wreck the country we need to make things

stuff like that bush perau and duus no who was that no dakus was 88 it was Bush perau and Bill Clinton wow who was then the governor of Arkansas 1992 was the first race I covered and perau did really well despite massive hostility from the media because of course they were protecting yeah you know their bosses EST exactly that's exactly but I didn't perceive any of 18.9% he got what did he get 18.9 I'm sorry 19% I'm embarrassed did he affect the come with that race oh well he he won it for Clinton I mean

Clinton won it as you see on the page at 43 43% absolutely if pero didn't win do you think that bush wins that of course yeah oh absolutely he took from Bush yeah who is Kennedy taking from what do you think Trump you think of course there's no person who's thinking hm I'm going to vote either for Joe Biden or Bobby Kennedy I have some friends that are no way I swear really I have some friends that are that have known Bobby I mean these are people that have known Bobby Kennedy for a long time

and but who are Democrats who are like this is my guy the only reason you would vote for Joe Biden is because you believe their safety and numbers you're voting for the party you're not obviously I'm not attacking Biden but you're not voting for Biden you're voting for the Democratic party because you think when they have more power you're safer or richer or whatever that's the only reason and Bobby Kennedy man I mean I've never seen anybody get right to the core issues affecting the country the way he has and I don't agree with him

on everything but I mean he names names I mean in a big way yeah that's why I love him I think well I just think he can he doesn't know I I don't feel like he's in anybody's pocket do you feel like lowkey there's some party that's like planted him in there people say that but that's that's crazy I think um I I mean I feel like I know Bobby very well and I I am totally convinced just on a human level that he is an honest person too and I think that he would do

that and um I just have to ask are there people in his orbit who would do that I believe yes is the answer but I don't think he knows better has anything to do with it I think he's totally sincere he's certainly not in anyone's pocket I mean the guy could be his name is Bobby Kennedy he's the son of he could do whatever he could he could do whatever he could do whatever and and he has done he's done a ton of great stuff with his life he has but I'm just saying it's very

easy to be loved by everybody and to just it's very easy to make money when everyone loves you Bobby Kennedy could have an infinite easier life than the one he's chosen he's doing this because he sincerely believes it look at that right and he's under threat I mean I was with him on the street the other day this week in Washington and the security people around him were very nervous oh he was not nervous at all but they were anyway the point is I think Bobby's totally sincere but he is giving a massive middle finger

to The Establishment like almost as aggressively as I've ever seen anybody why can't we get him to a level cuz what percent does he have to get oh I guess I don't we don't know because you don't know what get that plurality you know we need to get more than the other two and unfortunately the system is set up where it's hard for a third party guy to get on all ballots I mean they've rigged the system against a third party challenge because they don't want that who has rigged the system both of the parties

both both of the parties yeah of course of course they don't I mean once you have power what's your number one goal it's preserving it and preventing people from challenging you you know of course when there's a revolution what city should we meet up in uh well if there is a revolution and I pray there isn't because they never end well but if there is but it' be fun huh like the first 20 minutes when you actually storm the best deal and free the prisoners or whatever yeah hang your homemade flag from the roof of

the capital or whatever like burn the news networks is the first thing you'd have to do so that'd be the fun part of the Revolution think that'd be that that would be definitely be the fun part but then it gets then you have like show trials and famines and you have like all the downside but whatever I'm not in church so if that happens I will be so deep in the woods surrounded by my dogs and I'll say it Firearms um probably not going to hear from me look let's just pretend one of your dogs

is named Firearms I actually have a dog called Firearms yeah I have AK and 47 whatever you have dude I got bow I got Arrow I got whatever you know I got all my weapons in the woods with me um but yeah and you can even just text me and just let me know where you're going to be but I think about that you know what wild I think about that sometimes but you're going to be in La no I won't be I live in Nashville oh you don't live in LA no I live in

a place where if somebody is being weird you can shoot them um okay because if you're in La you just get eaten yeah oh well here's a move you would do in LA you would get in a boat and go off the shore that would be the first move and let the other having grown up on the Pacific let me just say it's a little bigger than the chunk of funky River wherever you from okay a super big ocean yeah it also Ben and Jerry's while we're at it I want to say that but go

on they're Marxist is it called chunky monkey what's the name of your River uh chauna Chun but I love that that's the greatest name ever Chun but the Pacific goes on uh forever and then you make it to Hawaii like six days later in your Boston Whaler yeah right well if you've been lost to see for six days you deserve to show up in Hawaii I think it's easy to miss Hawaii though in the middle of the Pacific you could yeah that's long way to Thailand you imagine they pick you up they're like you you

were this close to Hawaii like what the I let my wife Drive no the Pacific is not a good Escape Plan at all no because South you have you know Baja Sonata right right that's going to be a little chaotic it always is yeah from Los Angeles to what the the Arctic Circle I mean that's just like nothing it's like Alaska like there's kind of nowhere to go yeah um but you know you get in the woods deep in there yeah you got a shot you got a shot and Bradley up in there with a

couple of pups 100% you go full boot Radley oh live in the hollow of a tree yeah that's it I love that me too man it sounds exciting but I think people start to think that way how and that's a sad it's interesting because that thought it just comes in my head sometimes I've thought about asking people I know I've thought about asking Joe Rogan where do we meet up if gets weird and i' never used to think that his house right he might not but I think everybody's got a little bit of a place

you know I think some people are thinking maybe could be I think you want to do mountainous so I think you go Salt Lake or Denver you know Broncos suck but so I don't know if I'd go there Utah at least doesn't have a team um I don't know but you start to think about that you want to get up to sea level you know you don't want nature beating you so you don't want to drown out you don't want to be in Johnstown or something or whatever that place is Johnstown or Jonestown or Jonestown

both of them FL both of them bad bad bad purple Kool-Aid overflowing Rivers um you don't want to go anywhere I think is the truth you don't want to go anywhere you don't want to you don't want to travel if things go go sideways I don't you I don't think you want to be on the road I mean that's a good point the two times I've been in places for brief periods where you know there really was no Authority MH um what did that feel like and where was it one was at Katrina right after

the storm in New Orleans wow you were down there H bro I was and the other was in Baghdad in December of 03 when it kind of like started to get I felt out of hand and which one was more hectic you think oh bdad but I but for the United States I really no one ever says this I really feel like Katrina was like was almost unbelievable how chaotic it was oh yeah oh for real I mean I yeah I could bore you but oh I've been at a game when the saints are losing

to the Falcons and it gets hectic enough there is no one there to call like period and then people start behaving in ways that are ridiculous and I saw I saw that with my own eyes and dead people and people getting shot like I saw it not guessing and I was just like this cannot be America like I always thought if something bad happened there would be like you just like call some special number and like dad comes and restores Order no no at all the police were looting I saw it yeah the police were

looting during Katrina so so that's um anyway whatever my point is I don't think you want to travel too much if you can help it yeah you know it's better to be in a place where you're just like this is my place and I'm defending it with these Firearms but the SEC until things calm down you know until like electricity is restored after the MP attack or whatever yeah because that's what's going to happen you there be a nuclear attack no there's going to be you know it's pretty easy to take down a society that's

digital oh yeah once you unplug that and then when there's but that's a crazy feeling when you're like okay cuz your first thought is let me call call somebody no your phone isn't going to work no calling no oil through the pipelines no food delivery God's going to have the busiest afternoon no Airlines no one on the roads dams fail like it all you know if you've if you've put everything online which cu the people who run our country are so stupid they've actually done that you are so vulnerable that it's unbelievable and you're using

Chinese servers and switchers and like at that point you have no you don't need to drop a nuke on anybody yeah yeah first of all if anybody do not nuke you don't need to yeah you don't need to let us at least enjoy the mystery of it for a little while too but people are so that doesn't mean just no door Dash that means no anything and people one thing I've noticed in both the places I've been no Stacy Dash either huh that you know no no Stacy Dash you can't call any of your call

girls from the interstate than God what if they start showing you're like they will they'll be seeking Refuge at your place remember me you tip me for no service seeking Refuge reignment um that was a tough play on words that's a good one though thank you dude um but I think yeah but you wouldn't be able to use money anywhere no that's going to become no like it's just it's weird we're having this conversation but even as me listening to you talk I am my brain I think is recording this because it feels like it

could be plausible all you need is a couple of cops to be like you know what what these people as well I'm not going to quit def I'm not going to quit blockading or attacking these people who I know are really struggling when I'm going home tonight and being one of them 100% And and by the way my kids my kids are at home and there's now this happened in New Orleans during Katrina is cops and I give them all the benefit of the doubt you know some of them you do have some criminal cops

down there but you also have good guys too you know and the good guys are like I'm sorry I got a wife and kids at home like I'm not and people are going nuts the thing that I noticed was it took like zero time from when Authority disappeared for people to get super afraid for the Predators to come out and start praying on people and for everything just to fall apart everything yeah and if you unplug this country and by the way once you decide you're going to go to war with Iran as we've apparently

the morons who run our country have decided that is I mean a very likely outcome that they're going to do something like that really ABS absolutely everyone's like oh they they could send an ICB or whatever no it's why would they bother to throw a missile at the United States across the ocean when they could unplug the country and then you have real casualties Mass casualties and mass chaos like true true chaos oh yeah people are not prepared for this they haven't thought it through our leaders have not prepared them for it at all it's

like oh it's on your iPhone you don't have an iPhone and there's no electricity and there's no water and there's no way to get anywhere yeah come on dude and that could happen that's not science fiction like that could happen soon and we're not ready for it and as you said it's not a cohesive country people are not like oh I'm going to help my neighbors you don't know who your neighbors are they may not speak the same language well you're certainly not going to also help your government so that's going to be the weird

thing when the government's like people do this it's your it you might if you're a lot of people like you I don't trust you totally and people have not seen chaos they don't know what chaos like like when people imagine War they imagine you know two lines against each other lobbing artillery shells or rifle fire at each other there's a certain order to that and people can can handle it you know it's dangerous but I can handle it it makes sense to me it's orderly it's geometric chaos is completely different from that chaos is like

you have no freaking idea what's happening who's on your side who's not who's a threat who isn't where things are going people are not designed for that people can't handle chaos and they go crazy and I've only as I said had a taste of this a couple of times but enough to learn chaos is the one thing you have to avoid because that's when people become animals and really start behaving in ways that are inconceivable to civilize people oh we're going to turn into middle monkeys real fast or we're going to like in minutes yeah

oh yeah bro dude I was at a Dave and Busters one time right I'm not even joking power goes out dude did you eat anyone bro it was whacka everyone in that dude people were beating the there was it was complete darkness right and people yeah you're feeling around for whatever you know birthday cake or whatever you're you know like you don't even know what's going on yeah but that was crazy that's a Dave and Busters I know you know um so what is your plans now like you've already you're on Twitter you're in a

free space as much as we have in in today's society you're in a free space for free speech what else do you is there like we have some plans I mean some of them I mean I'm being honest include territorial expansion we're going to invade Canada oh dude they'll just knock no pillow fight you take them in a second um no I mean I I I just want to continue doing what we're doing which is just you know say say things that can't be said in other places bring facts that maybe people haven't heard with

the spirit of humility you know if you I'm having spent my whole life in Washington most of it years I'm very I know it's I can't believe I did but you know what I think a lot of people were glad that somebody was there you know it's nice to see people that get out of a space because then they're when you're not as compromis when people don't seem as compromised it's totally right no it's totally true but I didn't realize just how controled my brain was by it when I was in it because you don't

right but um but anyway but I've been around a lot of people who set out like with these grandio plans I'm going to change the world those people invariably 100% of the time make the world worse so like you know approach every task with the knowledge I have no real idea what I'm doing I don't know the long-term consequences of this I probably can't fix every problem I'm just going to try my best with humility you know to make things slightly better that's my goal make things slightly better but anyone who tells you if we

pass this legislation we're going to fix everything we're going to fix Healthcare forever said Barack Obama in 2010 as soon as he said that I was like I don't even know much about Healthcare I'm hardly an expert but I was like the second you tell me you're going to fix something as complicated as you know 1 of the entire US economy in one piece of legislation you yeah cuz you're lying actually cuz that's impossible and it turned out they made it worse of of course so I don't want to do that not that I even

have the power to but I just want to you know I just want to tell the truth and and do it without being told not to and I think that we can and Tucker on X is your show y right and do you guys have would you do you think would you ever do a show with a partner you think or anything like that I'm not going to pit you an idea I'm just uh because that's usually the predecessor question of like somebody trying to pit you an idea but do you think about that sort

of thing like do you have I well I mean I have a million people I would like to to work with I mean you know I like to interview people actually and a lot and I really try to be quiet while I interview them because I'm a compulsive talk ER obviously but I'd like a respit from that where I can just like listen so I like to we will have a lot of people on and we have and we'll have a lot of recurring guests but yeah we have all we're making a bunch of documentaries

and doing stuff like that um so like a production company kind of more like are you expanding in that sense MH yep like um what is that one bapiro has one outkick is a company is that a company daily wire I don't know what outkick is I have a friend who um who works there I KCK I think it was football and then they uh okay does Jason does Jason still work there do you know Jason Whitlock yeah I do know Jason Whitlock I met him one time so I love Jason Whitlock he's a really

neat guy he seemed very friendly I didn't get to talk to him much he's a great guy and very deep he's not a shallow person at all he's the kind of person when you're talking to him whitlock's oh there he is right there Whitlock will say things and you're like wait what I'm sorry I just want to have like a super shallow conversation like how are you I'm great how are you and he'll cuz I'm shallow in some ways and he he'll like he doesn't he doesn't think like that or talk like that sort like

super heavy stuff out there and it's cool that'd be interesting sometimes I want to have deeper conversations with people but I think I get afraid to get into them or I don't know how to get into him without seeming like I'm being uh obtrusive or I don't know with him you don't have to worry cuz he does it he's okay with it yeah well he just goes there immediately goes there um I like that about him do you uh do do you ever get asked and then we'll wrap up cuz I know you've been here

for a while and thanks for your time I love it um do you ever get asked to bring people over to Twitter like is there like no movement because I know John Stewart just had a show with apple right was that recently where he cancelled yeah he had a show with apple John Stewart John Stewart the guy from The Daily Show from The Daily Show John Stewart show on Apple is ending Mr Stewart and and sorry Apple are parting ways because of creative differences over I didn't even know he had a show on Apple so

it shows you what I know people with the knowledge um but they had a disagreement about the episodes the type of episodes he wanted to do he wanted to do episodes on can we move it down okay according to Hol reporter head of its decision the end Apple approached Stuart directly and expressed its need for the host and his team to be aligned with the company's views on topics discussed rather than falling in line when Apple threatened a the show Stuart reportedly decided to walk U Stuart intended discussions of artificial intelligence and China were a

major concern for Apple why would they be concerned with him having episodes like that I mean we're assuming that's true I I hope it's true that's a noble reason to leave you know if you think there's something really important you want to cover and your boss says no it's a good reason to quit so I hope that that's right was there another time you almost quit before show I mean I didn't know even know that show existed so I don't think it was doing well I don't think so yeah um and Stuart obviously a talented

guy I I knew him you know yeah he's kind of belov 25 years ago yeah he I always thought he was talented he definitely did what I think everyone does at some point and it's important to come out of it and start to mistake yourself for like a Messianic figure and just be like no I'm I'm just a guy like it's so important and I I've done that so I I've been there oh yeah your ego is the first thing to grow 100% And it's very scary you're like dang does God have some special for

me no you will humiliate yourself you will humiliate yourself and you'll destroy yourself you will lose the respect of your wife and your friends if you don't pull back from that yeah and just remember I am an and if you don't believe that next time you get out of the shower walk in front of the mirror and look look at yourself and be like am I really impressive not no not really oh yeah yeah I I saw it this morning did you what' you think yeah right yeah so yeah right exactly so like it's important

to do that you know what I mean that will keep you from thinking you're the Messiah I don't think he has any mirrors in his house um any other question that or anything you wanted to talk about tuck no okay I know you share everything on your own show why just share everything in general yeah yeah I've enjoyed the hell out of it yeah man it's been a lot of fun I've had a great time yeah me too I appreciate it you're the only person I've talked to in the last well probably ever who one

of my kids will be impressed by they're not impressed at all yeah they're impressed by you I don't know why you've obviously got some sort of sort of weird magic power over younger people I don't and I don't know anything about that you don't abuse it well no that's the thing okay good I just you're not going to start a Children's Crusade or anything they came after our industry a couple years ago you know oh I didn't mean anything creepy okay good yeah yeah yeah yeah and I only know adult women and um oh the

the old women like you no I just only know people that are legally adults well of course okay that's all I'm saying dude because yeah immediately like you know that I remember the New York Times Like hunted down half of our industry you know like find noticed I noticed yeah just that vague stuff where comes up and I think there are a lot of creepy comedians but not as many as there are in journalism yeah there's some creepers in journalism dude what happened remember the guy who Jered off in the zoom meeting and then they

brought him back on for the interview and he sat there and he's like oh you got caught whacking off in a zoom interview I mean it just shows you his name is Jeff tubin and you know not a stupid guy actually I know him and um I have worked with him but he's oh yeah but his desire to be ontelevision trumps everything else oh like if I said to you you know if that happened to you you'd be like you know what I'm just kind of out I'm going to do something you know what I

mean I'll find people know I've had issues with it right yeah well you but you said you have them under control you're not compulsive no I'm doing great just habitual but not a problem just on a full moon but imagine if you're Jeff tubin to sit there with this female anchor on Fox and talk about that it's like there's no shame that you won't bear there's no you won't eat just to be on television and I I obviously had no respect for Jeff tubin anyway because I know him um but I had even less uh

after that I mean that was it's weird how God will give you your gifts you don't know what they're going to be wrapped in it's like all he wanted to be was on camera I know and just like you got to want the right things you know what I mean I think you got to get real specific with God bro cuz he's busy I totally agree and last thing I'll say is I think it's so important if you are publicly humiliated and I have certainly been um and he was of course too it can be

a great thing that's a great thing yeah and you should treat it that way and be grateful for it you know that this is keeping me from becoming an even worse person than I might otherwise have been there's nothing worse than a man who spent his entire adult life succeeding and never being humiliated they become unbearable they talk only about themselves they can't bear to listen to you every time you talk they're holding their breath until you stop so they can start up again they become true narcissists and I just hope for Jeff tubin who's

really an actually I'm just saying um I don't know but well I do I just I to say he's like he's an yeah he is but he may be less of one now yeah actually and and I've certainly been an a lot so I I'm not judging you know but I'd do it so I I have high hopes for him yeah caught whacking off there's a massive upside potentially oh yeah dude I mean definitely there's no yeah that guy definitely likes jerking but um yeah anyway uh too Carlson thanks so much dude it was interesting

and I really appreciate your time I really do I did and thank you for this Zen all right yeah you bet brother I might do one later we'll see now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be Cornerstone oh but when I reach that ground I'll share this piece of mind I found I can feel it in myones it's