Hypnotist Paul McKenna Reveals How to Make Anyone Rich

what's the craziest thing you've ever seen in hypnosis Ray had been like this for years hysterical blindness I talk to his unconscious mind he he's regain to some extent his vision back so what are some of the mindsets of the rich first of all get rid of all the blocks you know around money you know money causes arguments money is the root of all EV marrier that sort of stuff can I change my life in seven days you can you can change your life in 7 seconds I me in moments your life can change who

would you say is the most famous person you've worked with David B asked me to go man and help him with something instead of being able to help him I was Star Struck I was in my head I'm and so I sort of messed it up a bit welcome to disruptors I'm Rob Moore in this interview we have the most famous hypnotist in the UK maybe the world Paul McKenna we spoke about the line between influence and manipulation we talked about freedom of speech who controls the world the success mindset can Paul McKenna make you

rich Paul even said at the start there is no question off the table Paul can you make me Rich um yeah I suppose so um uh I wrote a book about it did you yes I did um uh I am fascinated by human behavior psychology and uh as a practitioner of neurolinguistic programming I like to model people so that means I I map what's going on in their mind and their physiology so um it's for two reasons so if somebody's dysfunctional you know and they scare themselves at the sound of a dog barking or the

sort of going to the dentist you find out how they frighten themselves and you go in and you spoil it but equally you can use modeling to to unpack and codify what somebody does if they're a model of Excellence so if they're a great salesperson or therapist or something like that and you can then learn to a similar degree in a fraction of the time it took them how to do it in an excellent way so I wanted to study people people who are rich and I modeled people like Richard Branson Anita rodic um very

interesting at the beginning David Barkley so David Barkley Barkley Brothers he said you know you're going to meet um people who've got a lot of money they're wealthy but they're not really rich they're just running from poverty all the time and I I thought yeah that's kind of interesting so I I based it around people that were not just you know miserable millionaires they were they were rich in every sense so of course they Financial Rich they're wealthy but they um they have a a wonderful life with balance in it so they you know they

they are happy is what was really the other criteria and um when I finished the book um I tested the system on 12 people all of them made tons more money but um they also had a happier life they had a more Abundant Life so uh I can make people Rich that is true I mean essentially you've got to join me and do some of the stuff with me in it you know it's not like I just wave a magic wand and you're rich but I get you to think in the way that rich people

do in a different mindset and um and also I you know show you the strategies of some of the superachievers so you can use those yourself so what are some of the mindsets of the rich and the strategies and tactics of the rich that you learned okay so um partly it's what they don't do so rich people um don't hate rich people and they don't hate money right um or think money is evil the way poor people do right because you know if you hate rich people how can you be one of them right so

uh you have to first of all get rid of all the blocks you know around money you know money causes arguments money is the root of all evil marri that sort of stuff and uh and then you need to uh you yeah you need to begin to change your perspective and I do certain exercises I go so imagine you got twice as much for doing exactly what you do right now could you feel comfortable with that and they go yeah and they go twice as much again twice as much again and eventually you hit a

ceiling they go oh it's too much right so you want them to break through that threshold and then um I do things like simple stuff I get people to think about something they do really well it might be playing tennis or ironing or something and then think about them SES making money and they usually go well you know I'm not sure if I can and then what you do is um it's an NLP process where you swap the pictures bam in the head and suddenly they go oh I feel like I could do this right

because you've changed the self-image I also get people to go back and have a wealthy childhood because we're shaped by the experiences particularly the moments of emotional intensity in the first seven years of our life so I get people to excuse me grow up uh with encouragement with beliefs that they they can be richer than they are their life can be even more wonderful I also do things like um I have um some the simplest business plan in the world so it doesn't matter if you work for somebody or if you have your own business

essentially you get rewarded for adding value or perceived value it's really perceived value because super models are paid more than doctors so the perception is there more valuable but if you look at any super successful person they will have created value on the perception of it in the world so you find out how you can do that and then you interrogate it with a set of questions and um I do other stuff too mostly to shift people out of a poverty mindset one of running from poverty and and you know because you need a system

within you to tell yourself well I don't have enough of this or that could be a risk or if I if I do it like that it could be be a problem and into one where you begin to think creatively abundantly and um that's again that's done in different ways I mean you know a lot of people are already Living Rich in many of their areas I mean if I I say to people if you if you had um all the money in the world would you change um where you live now a lot of

people go well I might have a bigger house would you change your car nearly everyone says yes to that I go would you change your friends no would you change what you eat H maybe I would eat out a bit more but not really uh would you change what you do for living no I probably wouldn't um and so anything you answered no to is where you're already Living Rich I mean a billionaire can afford a a better bed than your ey um rock but they can't buy a good night's sleep so when you're sleeping

deep you're sleeping rich in a sense and so um Rich for me is sure it's about having money but it's also um having this mindset where all you're noticing all day long are things that affirm that um life is wonderful and you're rich do you think there's a bit of mass hypnosis in the world maybe through the media about hating billionaires and it being wrong to be rich in the form of money yes that we see terms used in our media fat cat Filthy Rich and this they play the billionaires in the the evil billionaires

in all the Marvel movies don't they yes exactly that's right so there's this sort of implicit belief that you know um if somebody achieves great wealth they've got to have been a bit of a git to have done it you know or they've got to be up to something naughty they can't be legit and um that by the way is poor thinking right also there's an Envy culture too you know you see somebody who's getting you know paid a lot of money to make a movie or you know a big sponsorship deal and people are

very quick to go oh look at them like so you know that's again keeps people stuck in a poverty mindset because and again I find talking to people like this they've got the idea that there's a finite amount of money that somehow somebody else having a lot of money means you don't no no it doesn't work like that you know money is the oil in the machine that keeps the whole thing um you know the world going around as it were not the Earth the world and so um by again this is a form of

hazing rich people isn't it the Envy thing uh no the more the more people that are rich in the world the better it is for everyone I mean bman Fuller said um we have got the resources to all of us to live like multimillionaires but we don't have a a fair distribution of them essentially and it would be nice to see a fairer distribution uh but you know I'm a I'm a free market capitalist and you know I mean I I believe in you know the market is a really good way of determining the things

um you know I'm certainly not a socialist or a communist or anything like that yeah I think people forget about distribution of wealth is that that's what the tax system is partly for isn't it that is the greatest redistribution of wealth or shouldn't it be well high taxes basically taxes are the government saying we can spend your money better than you so um I I've C some for paying taxes um but um whenever people are super rich get taxed um uh highly they just leave and go somewhere else right so um I Believe In fairness

the strong should support the weak because that's that makes for a decent Society but if you stifle um um businesses and growth then that doesn't help anybody right so so high taxes you know traditionally come from uh socialist governments that want to they want to distribute it you know the intentions good but essentially all they do is make the the government bigger and the businesses um suffer as a result you know I'm not for big government you see no well I've talked about that on a lot of podcasts so we'll move on from that one

okay um the self-help industry I've always found it fascinating how some people love it and swear by it and it's changed their lives and some people almost think it's a scam and they look down on it why do you think that is or do you agree with that well I think it's fair to say that in all businesses there's good and bad people so uh you yeah clearly in the self-help industry there are some people who really good people that that they bring something amazingly good to the world right and and of course there's going

to be some bad people some scam artist but that's true in any area of life but I think there's also a proportion of people who just think oh this is all too good to be true and they literally want it not to be true because it makes them feel powerless right because they've then got to take responsibility and do something to upgrade their life so when you say Hey you know um actually your life can be better they go oh yeah oh really you know oh gone and and I understand it you know because um

I I I think it's okay to be skeptical I'm a skeptical person um and I think it's it's good to question things you know rather than just blindly believe them but also I think you to some extent you got to be a bit open-minded I mean you know when I first got interested in hypnosis and NLP I was pretty skeptical about it but the results spoke for themselves so that's kind of why I'm you know it's worked for me you know my life's been massively enriched um uh from my interest in self-improvement and um I

I think that you know I yeah I think for me it's more of a vocation than just a job yeah I've always found it weird why people would think that self-help is a joke why would one not want to help oneself why would one not want to improve one's life yeah I know I mean I think we should teach um at school confidence and stress control and um you know I mean a lot of stuff you know math and English clearly you know important but a lot of things we learn at school are not really

going to be of any great use to us in in life and um in fact some of the things we learn at school are very counterproductive so one of the reasons the um fear of public speaking is the largest phobia now in the western world is at school you get to stand up read out loud someone points out your mistakes and people giggle so it's installed at an early age I mean I think our whole education system you know could really do um with a revamp and a and a big emphasis on say accelerated learning

you know I I my dear friend who's sadly now Pastor Ken Robinson was a big advocate he did that big Ted Talk didn't he it was the most popular Ted Talk I believe of all time and he was a wonderful really clever compassionate man um and yeah he he advocated all sorts of changes Tony bazan again Tony was a brilliant guy he's been on the show unfortunately he passed away pass didn't he recently yeah so Tony found a way to teach people how to learn faster and more efficiently with his wonderful mind mapping system these

things should be all they should be taught in school why don't they break through into schools then well I think they're beginning to um I think what's happening is um uh that more and more people are aware of them but it's kind of teachers that you know a little bit um uh let's say of Mavericks right we go you know I'm going to teach my class um U going to teach in mind mapping or I'm going to teach teach them you know these strategies to help them to become more confident or more creative or learn

better and so you've got a lot of teachers now that are beginning to embrace this and take it in there the same in all sorts of professions you know same with doctors um I mean I I teach more doctors now than I ever did before because uh they realized that just knowing about bones and Physiology and and brain chemistry things like that it's great but why not learn some psychology to go with it yeah interesting can I change my life in seven days you can you could change your life in seven seconds I mean you

know people go oh it takes 21 days to change your habit like no I've seen it happen in 20 seconds you know you meet a particular person and in that moment your life changes or you have an idea for a business or you just decide right I'm not going to do that anymore and you you suddenly take charge of your life so literally in in moments your life can change uh I I wrote a book my big breakthrough book about 20 years ago was called change your life in in seven days and um I took

all of the things that I knew at the time in terms of self-improvement because I I'd been reading self-help books for for years and and then it got to a point where I thought well a lot of people are just rehashing other people's stuff and I I could do better than this because I'm really a talker not primarily a writer and I wrote this book I didn't know how well it would do and it just absolutely smashed all over the world and then my publisher went you'll be doing a few more of these I I

know about that and so I never intended to be a writer but um uh I I I I I think also it wasn't just what I was writing it was the way it was trying to make it very common sense without all the psycho Babble that a lot of other books had and still do so um you can change your life in seven days if you do anything for seven days you're likely to be different but if you practice the techniques and you listen to the hypnotic trance that comes with a book so basically you're

you're spending half an hour a day with a hypnotist you you're going to be different and um you know that's that's been a it's been a good brand for me CU you know people go yeah seven days is a it's a commitment isn't it yeah but I could do that you know and indeed many people have I remember my first personal development teacher and this really broke my mindset in a good way because I think like you I was pretty skeptical but I wasn't skeptical because I was figuring out what worked and didn't work I

was skeptical because I was scared of looking stupid being humiliated you know maybe um fear of success certainly jealous of others um but someone said to me once change happens in an instant and a decision happens in an instant it's the preparation for change that takes years what do you think about that well I think there's a lot of Truth in that um uh Roger Moore said to me once uh um uh an overnight success usually takes about 10 years now the I think it's true but the thing is that usually someone who picks up

a book like change your life in seven days or comes to one of my events they're ready right they they might not believe it's going to happen for them you know we found this with people who use my weight loss system they went I don't think it will work but I'll give it a go that's all I need is you to is you to just get invite me to help you and then boom your chances of success are pretty good so uh yeah usually the the point that's led to that is the frustration of things

being not the way someone wanted them to be and they go right I'm going to try something else you know and um I think that's true for me in life I got to a point where I've either gone you know I really don't like this I'm unhappy with this what am I going to do about it right yeah or um this is a problem it's a problem I I got to solve this you know and so if it wasn't if it wasn't a problem I wouldn't be that fuss about changing it so yes there usually

is some leadup before boom it happens Ray had been like this for years work working on a construction site he gets hit on the head he goes blind hysterical blindness I talked to his unconscious mind asked it to rebuild the neural networks in his brain and he he's regained to some extent his vision back I understand from my research that you're quite passionate about helping people with severe trauma PTSD Etc yeah um can we talk about how you do that because sure I think there's quite a lot of that going around well there is um

I so I've been working at the sharpend for about a decade now with War veterans rape victims breedan cases and um it came about because um I got interested in psychosensory therapies the you know the tapping technique TFT the Creator was a friend of mine he a wonderful man Roger Callahan um and I introduced a friend of mine to this technique guy called Dr Ronald Ruden he's a he's anmd but he's a Harvard PhD in neuropharmacology this guy is smart and uh he was fascina to to understand why the touch of certain parts of the

body he's a hard scientist right so you know this was Callahan was a psychologist right so different ways of thinking about the world and Ron Ruden wanted to find out if there were specific parts of the body that creat the touch of which created change and it so happens that here here here and here produces a massive amount of delta waves so when you get traumatized say you go through a trauma 100 Herz wave travels from the phalus and it phosphorites the Amper receptors in the brain so it creates a biological change now when you

summon the traumatic memory and you do this you the touch of here if you just do this Rob this you see this this feels comforting doesn't it yeah right cuz when you were a baby your mother held you in her arms and she she rocked you you are hardwired to feel good and to produce massive Delta right so you do that what's Delta Delta wave delta waves are synonymous with the deepest relaxation Alpha is usually creative beta what we're in right now because we're having a conversation and a Theta Delta Delta is the one you

want to Def phosphorate the Amper receptors so this looks deceptively simple but it works brilliantly and the scientific research that's been done on it shows it's absolutely spectacular in reducing stress U eliminating trauma even helping with things like depression or um anxiety pain as well and this technique is called havening as in a safe haven so what happened was um I got involved in a study for the military was a classified study it's Declassified now so I can tell you about it but um it um and it worked incredibly well and um and so I

became quite fascinated with this you know a lot of what I do is not commercially oriented it's just because life's been good to me I want to give something back and the gift of helping people is to make it's really awesome when you can somebody's been stuck in trauma for years nothing's worked and suddenly you set them free so I got involved in that and it's something I'm still involved with you know I I work with v the VA the veterans Aid and um and the wonderful people there and the great work that they do

which is just awesome helping people um you know who've been physically scarred in battle say but also emotionally scarred as well and as you rightly say Rob right now anxiety stress Etc is off the scale because we've had a biological pandemic we're also in a psychological one as well and we're seeing you know all sorts of issues to do with mental health uh become very challenging at the moment so um the more people there are out there you know being able to make people feel better the better it is for everybody and have you got

any practical tips on overcoming Anxiety yeah I mean I sure there's one really great technique that I can show you right now it's very quick and this is um used by all four divisions of the American Military and it's called heart math so if you're feeling anxious and overwhelmed you put your hand on your heart because that draws your attention to the heart which is the second brain all right so this immediately Alters how you're feeling now also when people are super stressed they don't breathe properly they they're all uptight and so what you do

is you force a slow in andout breath so you go and then you go and you three of these and on the third breath if you can you close your eyes and you remember a time you felt good and you return to it like you're back there again now you see what you saw you hear what you heard and you feel those good feelings all over again and that interrupts the overwhelm and uh takes usually less than than a minute but that's a very simple technique that you know I can show you as I just

did in a couple of minutes there um there are lots of others I'm a big fan of TFT of the havening technique and things like hypnosis and NLP uh all work really well to help people with anxiety stress trauma um you know those those sorts of things that are becoming more and more um common these days as well as an emotional side to anxiety is there a logical side too where anxiety is a perception of what could go wrong rather than a perception of what could go right that's a great question yes you're absolutely right

basically we all have a mechanism within us that protects us right and um it its job is to say fear the job of fear or stress is to say be prepared so if I'm about to step off the curve out there and V is coming I want fear to pull me back keep me alive if I'm about to do a business deal and and I haven't thought it all through I fear to go hey pay attention to this and this or maybe it isn't right so the job of fear is to protect you the problem

is is if your bandwidth is constantly taken up with that there isn't any room for Joy confidence optimism creativity so what's happened is because the messaging from our media has become so dramatic now everything's the end of the world you know you open in the newspaper or tell the TV you're under attack it's the virus it's the economy it's the terrorists it's China it's Russia it's right and and to an extent that is true right we do need to be aware of these things but um people I've noticed over the last couple of years have

got very good at catastrophizing so they can literally you know they can make 2 plus 2 equal 32 they H what if what if my family gets sick what if the economy crash what if I lose my J and they do this really really good so they practiced it and so they can literally in a moment make everything seem like the end of the world and uh I'm all in favor of having a part a part of you that heads off problems before they happen but if you know it's that old saying by Mark Twain

I've been through some terrible experiences in my life and some of them actually happened who would you say is the most famous person you've worked with and improved their life God I mean it depends or pick up a pick out a couple um well do you know I don't I tend not to speak about I mean if other people say I've helped them and there are lots of people from the Arts you know rock stars movie stars Sports World business who've um wanted to tell the world that I've helped them because um you know they

I suppose it was a really nice thing they wanted to to be um um endorsing of my work yeah there are people there are loads you you can see um online loads of people have said these nice things I mean I tend not to speak about it unless they have but yeah it's it's all it's all kinds of different people I mean it's not only famous people I work with I mean I you know I can tell you when a super famous person Rings up and says could you help me I go yes and then

you know I mean I remember Roger doter tells everybody from the who you know I mean and after we've done the work uh I said right can I just ask you some questions as a fan you know and he went yeah anything you want right you know but actually one time the only time I've really messed it up because you know it would the president could sit in front of me I I or the queen I'm a Laz of been when I'm working now you know but about 30 years ago um David Bowie asked me

to go around and help him with something and I just instead of being able to help him I was Star Struck I was in my head I'm and so I sort of messed it up a bit because I was just like an idiot fan um and so as supp there you go there's a couple of famous people um who said nice things um uh and you know it is what it is I mean you know you you you show up and and you know you do your best in in my case and I I'm able

to help people most of the time with most things that I set out to but you know as Roger Callahan once said to me anyone who says they got 100% success rate doesn't have enough patience what would you say is the best turnaround case you can remember ever doing where someone was in real trouble and even maybe it surprised you how quickly you turn them around right there's a really spectacular case a guy called Ray Mash he um work working on a construction site he gets hit on the head and he has um he goes

blind right and it's it's a very very rare disorder hysterical blindness Adolf Hitler had it six months couldn't see anything anyway Ray had been like this for years and I I mean he when he approached me and said look he he wrote to me and I said I've always wanted to do one of these wow so the thing is because he been wearing dark glasses for years and you know had a had a white stick his eye sensitivity was you know was like a blind persons would be um uh and so he we had it

took a while it took months actually took I think it was nearly a year actually and what I did was I got his you know I talked to his unconscious mind asked it to rebuild the neural networks in his brain and I mean it's complicated this and then he starts to be able to see a bit more light and shape you go like hang on there's a window isn't there yeah and then there was there this extraordinary breakthrough moment because we were doing it in a dark room right and and one where one day where

and we held a torch by his wife's face and suddenly went I can see my wife and it was really quite overwhelming I mean you know and I talked to him recently and he he can no see he can't see like he used to but he can see right he can see his wife's face he you know he can see his grandkids he can he drove a car the other day not on the street by the way but you a private land but yeah so he's he he's regained to some extent his vision back and

so um there was another um um uh psychiatrist did some more work studying him and he thinks there was a neurological damage so I mean cuz I'm not entirely sure what took place I mean I know what I did but I don't know quite what took place what I do know that even if it was neurological damage the brain is is what we call plastic so you can damage one bit and another bit will learn how to do mean with the kid you can knock out an entire Hemisphere and the other hemosphere learn all of

it yeah as you get older it's less plastic but I think possibly something like that took place or if it was just hysterical blindness and he' gotten used to being blind and labeled blind and we moved him out of that maybe that was it too all I know is the man couldn't see he hadn't seen for years and after I worked with him uh he could wow you've done hypnosis for entertainment I think in your early career and of course you do it for help and change do you have a which one do you prefer

well I you know it was it's a good question again it's um at this at a particular stage in my life I wanted to be a stage performer do comedy hypnosis use hypnosis to make fun uh orbe in a I thought in a you know not in an un unkind way you know just um like you do in any sort of you know comedy show and uh and I loved doing I used to love you know walking out in an auditorium making people laugh you know um I have you know I suppose I do have

a bit of a wicked sense of humor at times so I did that I Tour the World with it and when it got to a point where I wasn't enjoying it or didn't want to do that anymore um I decided because by that stage I'd been working as a as a therapist I'd begun you know teaching hypnosis and then LLP and um and so I decided to swap careers and why weren't you enjoying it what oh I think I just done I I mean you know i' done I'd done it for 10 years and so

uh that that's why um however the other day friend of mine um my friend Richard bacon he said he was doing a t pilot and he wanted a stage demonstration comedy demonstration in the show and he called me up and he said would you mind do I said why really do it because I I'll do it for you rich of course and we did it we were falling about laughing and he goes you know you should really consider doing this on television again and so um he's planted a seed so who knows maybe I'll find

some way of of incorporating it into um you know for example there's a routine I do where I say when you wake up the number sev's missing from your memory and you get someone to their fingers and they're counting 11 fingers right and got five on one five on the other that's 10 but they count as 11 you know it's it's funny but the point is if you can forget the number seven you can forget to um criticize yourself you can forget to um to do you know dysfunctional behaviors yeah so in a sense the

comedy is a root to showing people the power of the human mind power of hypnosis and the good things that you can achieve with it social media is that the ultimate form of mass hypnosis well you know hypnosis gets lumped in with brainwashing and you know and a whole host of other things now as far as I'm concerned um hypnosis is a tool and it's used by stage entertainers and therapists and you know this sort of mass brainwashing conditioning um is you're absolutely right that is that's in we see it in social media we see

it used by the governments you know I mean was it was excessively used during the pandemic actually sloppily used I thought at times unnecessarily frighten people you know or to get them to do as they're told right and um as a result you know people are not very happy about that and so I don't think you can escape uh in influence in your life if I say could you pass that glass and you do I've made a suggestion and you've modified your behavior in accordance so you know if you want to look at people who

are professional communicators and some of them misuse it you'd have to look to politicians cult leaders salespeople etc etc but yes you're absolutely right social media um conditions Us in the way that it brings us information the way that you know it um all sorts of aspects you know even the layout of of um sales you know sites that are selling to you you know is is um arrived at not by accident but by um very care ful study and is that a bad thing I don't think so I think you know selling to people

selling to people things they want or need is a good thing you know it's just if you're convincing people to do things that are not in their best interest well you don't have to be a hypnotist to do that you know you could be a cult leader a politician or a salesperson how do we access the success mindset uh it's also about how you uh develop the wealth mindset how you develop a happy mindset uh is how you um overcome things that are holding you back self- sabotage fear failure all these sorts of things um

and become I suppose really release more of your true potential hey quick one would you like to start a business scale a business create multiple streams of income get better Financial education and knowledge build a personal brand monetize social media work from home create a side hustle if you'd like any of that go join my members area rob. team cost you less than a large coffee onethird of the price of Netflix you can cancel any time with no contract learn earn invest build multiple streams of recurring income digital assets quicker easier and cheaper Zoom master

classes live event meetups ask me anything lives exclusive content that we can't put on YouTube because it's too controversial it's all at rob. team for less than a large coffee go join now at r o b do t a m and where would you say that line is have you got in your mind where that line is where it goes inflammate influence into manipulation yeah so for example um I find out what people want and if I've got what they want then I sell it to them right if I haven't I try and direct them

to where they might uh be able to find it now sometimes I'm not sitting one to one so I'll study what people want in terms of a method to overcome insomnia or be confident or to lose weight and then I go right you know if you want this and I believe I have um excuse me solution then you know I'm going to I'm going to use my uh communication skills to uh put the best case right and so manipulation is where you lie you coers you emotionally blackmail those sorts of things and uh all of

those uh first of all if you have to do that to get by in the world you you got kind of got to be uh uh some sort of um um mentally unstable unwell person you probably be some sort of sociopath and also you probably hate yourself because you don't have any confidence in your actual natural ability to convince others or think about the well-being of other people so people that are purely consumed with their own satisfaction they're utterly selfish they're sociopaths right someone who gets off on hurting other people that's a psychopath right and

both of them are bad now everyone's a little bit sociopathic you know you think oh God maybe I can just cut in here in traffic or you know you know I'm going to do something that's my best interest not everyone else but when you actively live your life like that you're a danger to society and should um be therefore you know dealt within the way the way that we do with people who are who are um uh are a danger to society yeah so so for me the line is you know you basically this is

the other thing Rob everyone knows the difference between right and wrong a sociopath or a psychopath doesn't care they know that what they're doing is wrong but they don't give a [ __ ] and that's the difference in those different than those types of people did you have a light go there was that yeah yeah was that you no by the way your energy is unbelievable I I've interviewed hundreds of people and keeping energy up I have to do that a lot sure well thank you you know I mean I'm enjoying this because you know

I usually get asked a lot of the same sort of stuff you know uh in interviews whereas this you know you you you you're covering a very broad um Spectrum with this which is great um because you know I quite like talking about this one I've got a bit of a selfish question now if you don't mind and it's linked to what you said so you said about people hating themselves well I'll be honest at times I don't really like myself that might be I'm unfairly comparing myself to other people yeah I I mean I

occasionally compare my podcast to Joe Rogan I mean that's a silly thing to do because he's been doing it a lot longer than me and's he's in a different world what I don't goes go H Joe Rogan has he got 1,550 tenants in hundreds of properties that he owns he probably hasn't which I have but instead of balancing this I tend to look at Joe Rogan and think you are the co podcast Don and I'm just little old me and I feel a bit about that or I feel like I could be doing more even

though I think I've done quite a lot and so I can go in with them beat myself up and at times not really like myself how can I do that less or should I be doing it more well no no is it an entrepreneurial trait yeah it comes back to what soav Barkley said you know if you're you know if you're running from the fear of poverty you don't stop to enjoy all that you've created now what you just described there is a functional element in it whereas you're you're looking at somebody you're going I

want to Aspire to be as good as that I think that's a great thing you know it's fantastic to have Role Models yeah I maybe I'm as good as that maybe I'm just not as big as that sure I mean you know some people are um are will will be uh richer or more you know successful in terms of numbers but it depends how you quantify success you know I once said to Richard bandler uh I said you know no matter how good I get I don't think I'll ever be as good as you and

this is this is why he's very clever Rich he went but you don't want to be me I went that's right I don't want to be you he goes you want to be the best version of you don't you I went yeah best version of me so I think the same way you know I mean in some respects if I were to compare myself to say I don't know Tony Robbins Tony is a Fant he's the best motivator in the world he's brilliant I love Tony Robbins he's um but he does a different thing to

me right um uh both Tony and me were Richard's I suppose star pupils and Tony went into motivation and sales and he rules the world I went into therapy and you know and you know there's a bit of crossover we both trainers and that but um you know I think in some ways it's really healthy to have a role model and to you know to to think to yourself God I want to be as good as them but the thing that I'm I'm always mindful is of is that everyone's unique nobody can do things exactly

the way that you do them right so you have something to bring to the world that's that's yours and will will only ever be yours and so um if you get consumed with that thinking and we all have times you go God I can't this the other one as well somebody like succeeds really well and you go and they make it look really easy is that's kind of infurious they usually do don't and you're like but or they're not as good as you right and you go but they they've got better numbers it's easy to

go well it's not fair is it actually you know they've done it people like what they do fantastic and you have kind have to bless them I think so that helps to dispel it so the mechanism by which you're you know because you're go what you're doing is sort of a it's not an uncommon beat yourself up kind of you know no matter how good it is and I got into this years ago I would go no matter how good it was I could rubbish all of it and just go yeah but you know we

might have only sold 10 million but why haven't we sold 20 million yeah I'm always doing that exactly that will motivate you I'll stop looking at the downloads now just because I could never live up to my expectation of what they should be yeah but I mean uh what you have achieved is pretty brilliant right I mean you know you've got one of the most popular podcasts in the world you know when you consider uh there are something like half a billion podcasts now and you know most of them many of them have like 10

listeners you know or viewers you know once you're into the tens of thousands or even the hundreds of thousands or Millions you you're in the top 1% of podcasts you know in the world so why do I not we looked at our stats across our show and we had 28 million downloads and Views in June why aren't I able to Pat myself on the back and do that also I never look at a successful person with Envy there might be the the bubble of jealousy from when I was a child but actually I go wow

I'm not sure I could ever be as great as you I tend to Hero eyes them okay so hang on so you got you 28 million which is a great number by the way um and yet you were still able to feel bad about it what did you tell yourself about that it sounds ridiculous um I guess I told myself that that I should be doing more right our message is okay hang on now sorry I'm going leave right right go now if you didn't tell yourself that what what might happen I might do less

and therefore there you go so so basically you've got this fear of complacency right and you know so it's not a bad thing I occasionally I get it like the other day I wasn't particularly busy and I thought God this I I said to my wife I said you know I really haven't done very much today and I I could then I caught myself I went ah hang on um I I could see where this is going and um there's a part of me that you know good work ethic get up do things you know

and you know make a fantastic day and I I'm a big believer in purpose right Victor Frankle the legendary psychiatrist who wrote man search for meaning said purpose is the Cornerstone of good mental health now a lot of people confuse their job with their purpose but for me purpose can be to be a good husband to be a good person it could be to do something creative it could be tend to your flowers it could be you know walk the dog it can be you know you have many purposes in the day but yeah you're

part of what's made you who you are Rob is this is my 20 cents is this kind of like drive and you can so you set the bar massively High you shoot for the moon you land in the trees and you're going I hardly got off the ground damn you know and and if if I don't keep going for the moon I'm I'm going to achieve nothing I'd be useless and rubbish I and so this thing is is going on inside so the thing is drives you you get stuff done 28 million right but the

thing is the downside is you won't get to enjoy it or you enjoy it just temporarily you go like what all right yeah what we on on to next and X my life is very much like that for years and I realized I had just accumulated more stuff more status more money more power but I wasn't really enjoying I wasn't properly happy because there's a difference between pleasure and happiness pleasure is a glass of champagne a bubble barath or something like that happiness is the backdrop it's the landscape it's um happiness is um where your

sort of default is in life and I noticed that I was on a quest to it's more more more more I was living in Los Angeles the sort of universal center of overachievers and selfishness and and greed you know and and and also the cream of the entertainment world the weather's beautiful it's you know it's not like evil it was fantastic but I sudden went hang on I'm just I'm not stopping to enjoy everything and one of the things you know one the simple things that made a big difference to me and still does is

I do a gratitude list I stop and I think what am I grateful for big stuff like Health family friends you know um when I live in the world small stuff first cup of tea of the morning and I savor it you know and friend of mine he's a zen master Gimpo rosi he came to stay with me in LA and uh he's the creator of this amazing meditation called Big mind he's brilliant but he ain't like the other Zen priests I mean he's kind of he's fairly maveri character anyway so he was saying in

the morning I'm cooking some breakfast I said so what have you been doing this morning been contemplating meditating he went no I said um what are your plans for today went I don't have any and um he and we we cariz and eventually went Paul I don't wish to achieve anything I went oh yeah Zen nonattachment because you're very much in the doing and having he was in the being as it were and so um things like that moments like that shifted me out of my endless quest for more yeah I mean one of my

favorite stories in this area um is it's a great story it's about Joseph hel and Kurt vagal two authors and they're at a party in the Hampton's you know this guy he's like a big you know Trader or something he's got millions of dollars of art on the walls a big house and I forget who said to yeah vot says to H he goes um doesn't it kind of piss you off that this guy probably makes more in a week than you make in your life you know and he said um no he says why

is that he goes I've got something he'll never have he said well what's that he goes enough so coming back to you thought thought we moved away from no no no no no see when a hypnotist starts telling you stories yeah they're they're using them as hypnotic metaphors so they're they're putting them into the unconscious mind I mean one of the things I would say to you is I mean if you just just say um as a thought experiment if you went out to the end of your life and you're living it the way you

are right now you don't have to tell me keep it private but is there anything you wish You' done more of or less of don't tell me just just take a moment if you carry on the way you are right now a lot of it would be good I would say but there might be you might go for me when I did it I went oh God wish I'd loved more laughed more not been so competitive with everyone don't wish I had another million qu or a bigger car or bigger house I just wow um

that was just my insight I don't know what yours were just then and then the other thing I do is I go out to the end I say go out to the end of your life right but this time imagine it's been the most fantastic life it's been amazing what was it that made it that way now you know people tell me they go oh I really just I had these great friendships with everybody or or I did everything I wanted to in my career some of it worked some of it didn't but I I

I did what I wanted or it was time with the family or it was I got the balance right you know work play um Etc and um you know that's what made it so wonderful so they get hindsight ahead of time so um uh I don't know if you've had any insights pop up for you at all oh the light's gone again one thing I will say and I feel very grateful for this doing this with you and people like you is such a great experience meeting amazing interesting people I think that's why I put

my heroes way up there I guess the the higher up I put my heroes the lower down that makes me that's the problem I'm interviewing my alltime favorite rock star most people don't know don't care um lead singer of the Porcupine Tree Steven Wilson later and he's so up there in my world yeah um but you know he's you get to go you know in a sense um I understand this you know this kind of there's two things that you're describing so there's the yeah it's great to to have Heroes but you know you never

meet them don't they well they say although many of the ones I met was great some of them it was a bit disappointing but but you know you've still got a place at the table and the other thing as well is what you're describing as imposter syndrome right and this is not uncommon where people go you know I remember having it early on in my career I'd go like can't believe uh I mean Ian people think I'm you know I'm this is I'm good at this and maybe I am maybe I'm not I mean but

what if I'm not and I get found out you know and then again it's all of these mechanisms are there to sort of test the Integrity of your thinking and behavior and uh that's a good thing the problem is is the testing goes on relentlessly it'll well it will be uncomfortable and it'll fatigue you so you know it's that bandwidth thing again I mean I think there's also I suspect I don't know Rob but there's a part of you that probably thinks um tell me if I'm wrong if I'm just I'm completely hallucina here part

of you thinks you know I didn't keep a check on myself I'd become an egomaniac and an [ __ ] and I don't want to be that guy so I want to check that you know I mean I'm I'm I'm not of course I'm not as good as them and if I thought I was i' you know i' you know it be foolish you know that sort of thing and that stops you in a sense owning all your power but at the same time the the the aspect of you that goes no no no I

don't want to get ideas above my station that's you know I I get the positive intent of that sounds like it's been overdoing its job it certainly motivated you but at what cost I mean you know like if you had somebody living in your house that constantly went oh you think you're all that you're not all that are you I mean you know you're wanker are you right I have them all day on social media but literally you say can you leave my house pleas you've got one in your head right and so all I'm

saying is there's um there's a way they're not mutually exclusive right so like anyone I make a mistake from time to time and I could beat myself up about it or I can just go these days I go wow that was a mistake right that's a mistake uh but I'm going to learn from that you know I didn't get up in the morning thinking how can I really [ __ ] up this day you know I just I went with good intentions but I either you know wasn't thinking you know smart or you know I

just didn't see what the whole read the whole situation that's why the mistake occurred you know I don't think it's I don't think people get up people are generally well-intentioned apart from the sociopaths and Psychopaths that we mentioned earlier what's the craziest thing you've ever seen in hypnosis hypnotizing this guy putting an earpiece in we sent this guy off into typ square and I was tell sleep he got this the square woke him up and said when you wake up you'll be convinced someone stolen eyebrows right and we're working hey man give me my eyebrows

like this running chasing people around Time Square I think one of the things about personal development that took me by surprise because I've studied it hard over 16 years thousands of books loads of courses and overall the net benefit of my life has been very positive put myself out a way out of debt made a lot of money I've done a lot of decent things in the world given a lot back generally overall much happier but no one ever told me about this curse of personal development is when you get so intense at improving yourself

that becomes a curse in itself have you ever seen that yes um the um when I wrote the rich Book for a while I mean I just actually think of a better example um yeah um it literally you're right um I and once to say the word curse I would say that you can kind of it's a to do with perspective because if you make it all about you being the fastest reader or the you know the biggest thrill seeker you know the person with the least fear or you know you like any sort of

um achiever you've got to you've got to obsess about it to some extent right and um you need to be consumed by it but um in that that way of being in in the all consuming of it you can you can lo your perspective change and you can you can forget about the sort of important things in your life like for example I I was working with a guy once and I you know what do you want to achieve he goes oh I want to make lots of money in a big house and a car

and a boat and I said and where are you when you picture that he goes I never sto to think about it so I said what you going to do work yourself to death to get all this you know where's the family time where's the recovery where's the where's the you know the the um the counterbalance to it all because um uh there are too many miserable millionaires in the world and um you know there are some people I know who are not wealthy but they are rich they they have a very good life they

love what they do they they live life on their own terms that that really for me is what being super rich is about are you living life on your own terms in conjunction with your values what's most important to you do you think this it's never enough I have to do more I think we probably saw it in Steve we definitely seem to see it in Elon Musk is that ultimately one of the biggest drivers for Success though well uh I I would say uh it's it's in there um but but you know again people's

people either move towards or away from things right so they wake up in the morning they go oh the alarm's gone God better get out of bed oh I don't want to be late don't want to be in trouble so they're moving away from uh discomfort other people wake up opportunity you know I read this interview with Steven Spielberg uh recently where he said some mornings I'm so excited I can't eat my breakfast now that's a move towards guy right and so we we all do a bit of both but we tend to predominantly do

one right so um I think that if you're constantly moving away from the fear of lack or of trouble or whatever you don't get to enjoy it right so it's all about the bandwidth how much of your day is spent feeling good you know if you had an actual monitoring system or you just sat and you did it because you you you can't escape the uncomfortable emotions you know fear as I mentioned earlier Keeps Us Alive anger is usually when one of our standards has been violated you know don't talk to me like that guilt

shouldn't have said that the guilt gets you to go repair it you just don't want to live in those right you want to you know you're going to have to experience them from time to time um but you you know it's much nicer to live in uh enjoy creativity love um motivation optimism confidence um those sorts of things you know and um and and so um in a sense those are habits right you know what what you practice you get good at and I've noticed you know some people they practice they might be getting these

extraordinary results the cost is that they burn themselves out or they you know they they uh they don't really get to enjoy it because they're on to the next onto the next on the next and there's um I I think just my 20 cents on it because I I used to live um I was goal Setter like I'm GNA achieve this I'm G achieve this and I got stuff done but if I didn't achieve what I wanted what I wanted to I could give myself a real hard time about it so I now do this

I have a direction right when I look at the future there are things there like I know that I'm going on vacation there I know Christmas is there I'm looking forward to seeing my mother there I'm you know Etc but I'm going to write this bit down why you shouldn't set goals you should have directions Direction but also this is the key bit Steve is so this is the key bit Rob is um is is you need to come from your values right so values are those things that are most important to you so for

example top of everyone's list should be health because if you don't have your health you know what's the point so Health mental and physical has got to be at the top but the other values you know I'm going to suggest you you know you come up with them so I'll just tell you mine right so mine are um Health it's family it's freedom freedom to do things I want um it's laughters in there loyalty if you're my friend I am your friend right loyalty is very important to me um and um you know laughter you

know a lot of laughter goes on every day mostly at my expense C my wife and um and but but um and creativity now if I can tick the box every day and go do I feel loved today yeah I I feel very loved I love my family friends do I was I creative because at the beginning of the lockdown bunch of my friends you know they got in touch and feeling so rubbish about everything and understandably because it just felt like it wasn't fair like it was like you know business is suffering I can't

do the things I want to do and I got it and they could wind themselves up and get themselves feeling bad and I I just said um simply uh so have you got your health mental and physical yeah I have yeah and have you got friends family yes but I can't see oh yeah but you can connect with them over the Internet okay um have you got um a roof over your head food in the fridge maybe a bottle of wine too and uh do you have um do you have you know clean air clean

water things like this and do you have a purpose and if you can tick those boxes you're in great shape you know I mean uh when you think about so many people in the world couldn't tick those boxes if you can tick those you are living Rich your life is good so um again it comes back to what we were talking about earlier about perspective so what I do is I get in touch with the values and if if I can tick those boxes every day I'm winning I'm ahead right and then on top of

that whilst I might have a specific goal I I want to achieve this number of people attend a seminar or want to you know to um to do this particular uh business venture or something but it doesn't happen it's not the end of the world but I've got just enough drive to make it so you got you got a goal that's big enough to get you out of bed broken down into small enough chunks but if all you've got in your life is goals sure you might get stuff done but hey you know you won't

stop to enjoy it and so that's why you've got to put the values in there box tick and why I don't have I have some fixed goals but mostly my life is now about Direction so if I look off into the future into the next 20 30 years I've got a sense of the things that I'm doing but mostly it's living my values I can see myself healthy happy with my my family doing things I love to do Etc rather than I must achieve this by this by this time you know a sort of German

way you know the way I used to do it did you say that the worst drug in the world is sugar I said it's it's probably the most dangerous right now and the reason is because firstly sugar behaves more like a drug than a nutrient the problem is it's it's it's not in itself is not inherently bad you know any more than coffee is or something like that but the problem is that we're all pretty much consuming too much of it and that's because um it's in 75% of things in the supermarket and you know

like any drug the more you have the more you need and so we're consuming it in CU you know sugar tastes nice right you know um but but we're consuming it in indirectly in all these different things and um as a result of the five things that are most likely to prematurely kill you according to the NHS sugar is directly linked to four of them so um yeah we've got epidemic obesity we've got heart disease liver disease um uh you've got um cancer love sugar so um I'm not saying don't consume it but you're supposed

to consume no more than 30 30 gram a day one can of soda has got 35 grams in it yeah so uh that's my concern is that there's this and also do you know the other thing the the sugar industry has gone out of its way to fund phony research and um and do all sorts of really malevolent stuff and um the tobacco industry we we kind of all think about it yeah in that way sugar industry is as bad if not worse and so um and they've suppressed the work or tried to the scientists

have tried to expose this so I mean I know when I wrote a book about this I got so much grief about it Cy these guys are really they're going to have a go at me now because I've dared to suggest that what they're doing they know is wrong who are these guys sugar industry right the big manufacturers are they well it's see it's not just it's not like one company right what you have is you know you've you've got a system right but the chap who who who tried to expose this John rodkin got

kind of ruined by them and he was a he was a great man my mother knew him and he wrote Pure White and deadly and exposed it long time ago and we've been playing catch up ever since they've been trying to you know to muddy the waters so you haven't just got what people who make sugar you've got retailers who sell it you know so when you go into a supermarket what's sugar doing in smoked salmon it makes it taste maybe a little nicer it you know got sugar in a cigarette as well so it's

addictive so it's not like there's one people we can group of people we can point out it's it's it's um it's everywhere how do we access the success mindset we were talking before we went live you've got um a 7-Day program coming which I'm going to try and make the dates for I've really enjoyed this and I do like working on my mindset so how do we access the success mindset okay so um this training is called change your life in seven days and um I I wanted to to do something like this for a

while and these days much like yourself Rob I only do things I like I work with people I like I'm pretty fortunate and so uh myself and two other really high-end Rolls-Royce coach trainers um Steve Krab and Alexandra Mora uh together over seven days we're going to show you how to take control of your thinking and your feeling so you become master of your emotions and thinking we're going to show you how to begin to design a more compelling future we'll be using hypnosis havening this technique and NLP so if you're a coach or a

therapist and you want to learn how these techniques work and you want to you know be in an because just a small number of people 75 people right and uh it's um uh it's also about how you uh develop the wealth mindset how you develop a happy mindset uh it's how you um overcome things that are holding you back self- sabotage fear of failure all these sorts of things um and become I suppose really release more of your true potential so you know for me it's not just enough that I help people overcome some sort

of remedial problem I like to do interior decorating in people's minds you know I like them to to be able to suddenly see a richer World change their perceptual filters so they see opportunity everywhere right they see um they see a happy happy world you know rather than being constantly under attack yeah uh so um if you spend seven days with three hypnotists you're going to be different right but the idea is you know if you teach someone to fish they eat for a day so if you give someone a fish they eat for a

day teach someone to fish they eat for life so it's not just that you come along and you get transformed it's the you learn the the techniques the Technologies to be able to do that to yourself so that you you kind of a never ending ongoing um um work in progress of of of betterment but um also you'd be able to do it with other people so if you were a coach or therapist you'd be able to um your game will be raised massively because you'll have a whole set of new Tools in your toolbox

and you'll have seen them demonstrated um uh in a way they should be doing they should be done and also you get a chance to try them over and over again it's a difference between a training and a book you know you just book you sit and read it you know passively training you're in the experience it's contained and um you know our intent is to for everybody to transform dramatically but in a way that's right for them because you're the expert on you you know I don't want to go and instore my model of

happiness in you what I'd rather do is help you to discover what your model of happiness is and enhance it so it's like um it's uh it's like having the ability to overwrite the operating software in your mind and make it the best it could possibly be and so uh yeah we're doing that at the beginning of September um pretty soon where can we go if we want to check it out is there a website uh yes if you just put um change of life seven days Paul McKenna into it's it's at mindbody Spirit they

they they they're promoting it mindbody Spirit but it'll take you to an event bright page if you want to uh if you want to to book on it if not if you want to talk to somebody and explain it all through in much more detail than I just just did uh yeah if you go to Mind Body Spirit you'll find that it's there yeah great well I hope I can make the dates yeah be seven days in four weeks notice yeah blind me let's do this should we do a quick fire round these tend to

be quite fun okay um so maybe 15 seconds answer on each if you want to go a bit longer that's fine okay um what's the craziest thing you've ever seen in hypnosis God there's so many I mean do you know I mean I remember years ago um hypnotizing this guy putting an earpiece in in I I was it was at MTV in Times Square in New York and we sent this guy off into Time Square and I was to sleep and he'd be like this in the square and woke him up and said when you

wake up you'll be convinced someone stolen your eyebrows right and we woke him up hey man give me my eyebrows like this running chasing people around Time Square I mean you know that's just one off the top of my head it's a it's an old Chinese saying is um if you want to be happy for an hour take a nap if you want to be happy for a week take a holiday you want to be happy for a year win the lottery if you want to be happy for the rest of your life help other

people helping other people will feel good just be a bit Kinder if you could have a million pound cash right now or a million followers on social media which would you take on why I'd take a million uh more followers I think because when you have people that um uh um have bought into your brand you know they they you know they're interested in what you do because I essentially use social media like um like a notice board I mean I put some things to my life and some you know bits of inspirational stuff up

but really it's to let people know what I'm doing so whether it's a new book whether it's my podcast or whether it's an you know training event I want people to know about it and so you know you would turn that million pound those million followers into many millions of pounds you have a podcast called called the positivity podcast I believe yeah who is the most positive person in I think 10 what nearly 20 interviews you've done well do you know they they're it's it's literally it's hard to compare them because they everybody's interesting and

brings something to the party I mean you know they're they're they're really extraordinary um people I mean the chap I just interviewed the the um accomplished astronaut Chris Hadfield was amazing at the end of that I like I felt like a slacker the amount of stuff this guy's done you know um but you know it's a very eclectic mix it's Simon cal It's Mel be it's John C it's Richard E Grant it's Joe Malone it's you know it's hon blooming tole was a fantastic one um you it's Gary Lino it's it's it's people from from

the Arts from business from Sports it's writers as well like like um Andy McNab you know all they're super interesting people and you know there are some themes there you know having good parents overcoming adversity um walking the dog is another one that comes up uh and you know it's to some extent um it's it's a very deep thing but it's it's all popular sort of household names how do you sell anything to anyone well first of all you need to find out what it is they want right and if you haven't got it don't

sell them because you'll get buyers remorse in fact direct them where they can find it and they'll be U they'll be a good advert for you what I do is um I actually find out what somebody wants I I'm I'm very I get very clear about the unique selling points because you're always selling the benefits right so you know if you're selling a car um you're selling that you know if somebody wants one that's safe sell them a Volvo if they want something as fast sell them a Ferrari right and so I I I find

what it is they want I I I talk about the benefits and I inoculate against the objections so if it's price or you know if it's like years ago I was um doing a training teaching people persuasion influence and this guy he sold um air conditioning units this is in Italy and um his air conditioning unit was twice as much as others but it lasted five times longer it had something like 10 times fewer problems Etc and so you know the way to do that is you go look some air conditioning units are much cheaper

but then you know they break down um um 10 times more often and you know they won't last as long and when you're sitting there on a hot sunny day and sweltering because the AC's broken down you might be thinking maybe I should have spent a few bucks more so you frame it like that so your what you have to is to tell the truth but you're presenting your best case who controls the world well I don't think any one person or any group of people do like you would hear from a conspiracy theorist I

think things like um the markets control the world I mean right now you know the the the climate has a big say in the world so you know I'm uh I like to think that um the world is um planet Earth the world for me is is this the Earth is the planet and and um I like the guia theory which is the Earth is like a living organism the days and nights of the heartbeat the rainforest is the lungs the oceans the blood supply and there's about the same number of communication connections on the

Earth right now as there are neural networks in the brain so with a global brain and um my friend Peter Russell he he um is a writer he did this this talk where he he shows you the um shot of a cancer cell under a microscope and an aerial shot of Los Angeles and he show you the structure is similar and his point being that selfishness which is what cancer is about is killing the world and I think that's right selfishness and greed are two of the big problems so in a sense selfishness and greed

has a say in controlling the world fear has a you know say controlling the world um and bringing it back to what you do Rob I love that thing that raich Cuda the musician said which was all the money in the world is spent on feeling good and um so um there are there are lots of things that control the world and you know they make it this exciting and Rich and extraordinary uh place can I just pick up on something you said did you say cancer is selfishness is that in it's a selfish um

yeah these are selfish cells yeah um that's right oh wow yeah so they're they're they're selfishly multiplying at the the cost of the health of the host what's the biggest risk you've ever taken I um left my job my house my country family went off to live in Los Angeles and I took a massive Punt and it worked out risk as the currency of the Gods and so I mean I had a panic attack about two days later thought what the hell have I done but it all worked out I managed to land um um

television show publishing deal um I you I created enough wealth to you know fund my lifestyle and enjoy things there so I had about 10 years in Hollywood it was fantastic but that was a punp doing that what's the biggest success you've ever had well you know it's everyone thinks of success in different ways you know when I ask people this in my podcast people say my family other people go something I achieved in my career um you know I mean for me uh you can't it's a bit like comparing apples and oranges so when

helped somebody overcome a problem that they've had for years they've tried everything nothing's worked boom and it's that's like that feels massive but then also when you know if you're in Show Business you've got to keep having hits um and uh Simon cow's you know motto and um you know so having a hit book or a hit podcast or something like that feels good I mean it feels really good so um those for me are like big successes what would you say is your biggest failure biggest failure um well you know I could if I

wanted look at things in terms of failure um I've just been various business projects that haven't worked out you know there's in modern self-improvement there's this saying there's no such thing as failure there's any feedback and that is a helpful way to reframe um uh things so that you don't beat yourself up go I'm such a loser you know you just go okay I didn't get it right that time I'm going to go again and you know if you look at super successful people through history James Dyson 5,000 attempts at the vacuum cleaner Edison 3,000

attempts at the light bulb you've got to have a mindset like that to keep going so yeah I could look back and go I tried this Venture it didn't work out um disappointing but you know it it was it was one of many and without all these things not having worked out you wouldn't find out what would work so they're part of the they're part of what makes it all work ultimately what's the best advice you ever remember receiving so many I mean I I ask people this in my podcast and I get all kinds

of really great answers back I mean my piece of advice when people go what's the one piece of advice I go you get more of what you focus on and the reason I say that is because a lot of people think about what it is they don't want all day long I don't want to be out way I don't want to be nervous Etc and of course they're focusing on that and um you know if um if I say to you you don't think of elephants you have to think of it to not think of

it so you don't process the negation so we do need to think about what it is we don't want but if that's all we ever think about that's what we tend to get so uh yeah think about what you don't want to have happen so you can prepare for it and then think about what you do want over and over and over and over and over again I want to sit in that for a bit but the next question will kill it but I'm just going to ask ask anyway what's the worst advice you ever

remember as TV oh I mean you know one of my school reports said um uh I would never amount to anything this is my revenge do you want to name a teacher call I actually no I found it the other day it was in like so you know like it was I went to Catholic school you know it was not for you know for all my schooling thank God but it um no it was you know but basically you've got a bunch of losers people who you know can't make it work in the real world

so they could boss little kids around and and then these freaky guys in black dresses you know who I very much doubt are God's Representatives on Earth but um uh yeah it was It was kind of you know the whole indoctrination is one of guilt and you are less than to sort of control you you know but uh it didn't work on me do we have true freedom of speech in an absolute sense no um and you can't have you know uh be able to speak about anything in any context anywhere in the same way

you can't um so in America they have this whole thing about freedom of speech the Constitution but you can't shout fire in a in a crowded theater if there isn't one because you know the the greater good is is endangered so um uh there isn't absolute freedom of speech but uh here in the Western World we enjoy it much more than they do in other parts of the world I mean I think I'm like half the world is democratic and the other half isn't I know which bid I want to live in you're having problems

with your batteries today aren't you Harry yeah these are not I think there's just like two more yeah yeah no no worries we're fine I I'm yeah I I said I'm not that busy today so but um I'm going back to make a nice sandwich uh for myself and my wife is there a Costa Coffee on this street do you know there's a two there's a coffee shop um uh oh no hang on is that gone now um yeah Costa is really the only one I know does the trick do you know I I don't

know I'm not a coffee drinker I'm a tea drinker and um uh so yeah I'll Google it yeah exactly it will tell you instantly would yeah is there one thing in the world Paul you'd like to change there's more than one um it'd be nice if we could reduce all the fear-based aggression in the world which is polluting the planet at the moment and um and and and if there was um more I mean I would sound like a hippie now but if people were in a if I could teach people one thing it would

just be to relax right to free themselves from the anxiety and the stress of life and to get in touch with the joy and the the beauty of it all and so if we reduce the fear-based aggression which is literally polluting everything at the moment and got people into more love and peace it would be a better world so that's the change I would like to see I mean you know you could there's endless other things you know like we've got too many weapons we don't need any more if I was king of the world

I'd say right that's enough sorry because you take amount of nuclear weapons times the amount they're out there equals more chance for for trouble but also there's more guns in America now than there is people you know and uh yeah so thing is I think there's enough weapons in the world but and who is it somebody said brilliant said you know the strange thing is is if you look at Earth from out of space they go they got all these weapons down there and they're not pointed out at potential enemies they're all pointed at each

other and so little things like that you know I mean I think um one of my favorite phrases is um from the D Lama he says kindness is my religion and that's mine too uh uh I think um you know if we could we could all just be a bit Kinder and you know I find when I'm kind it feel feels good I don't feel like being kind to everyone right you know sometimes people annoy me you know and uh but um generally if I can do something that makes somebody else feel good is a

is an old Chinese saying which is um if you want to be happy for an hour take a nap if you want to be happy for a week take a holiday if you want to be happy for a year win the lottery if you want to be happy for the rest of your life help other people and so for a functional person helping other people will feel good give you have a 15c or less tip for better mental strength do a gratitude list yeah so think about um all the things you're grateful for you know

where you live in the world your health your family your friends things that you look forward to like cup of tea in the morning or you know something you like to some TV show you want to watch and then things things to look forward to we all need that yeah so you know it could be stuff like oh I'm looking forward to a vacation I'm looking forward to to um uh see my friend Frank or something it could just be any number of things to look forward to so there we go that's the 15 second

so this show is called disruptors what does the word disruptive mean to you well uh I I I know it for many people it might be perjorative these days it means game changers it means people who upset the status quo and change the game you know in a sense chaos is beautiful um and uh so I think disruptors you know all the great Achievers through history are disruptors um George bernshaw said um me reasonable men adapt themselves to the world unreasonable men adapt the world to them that's why all progress depends on unreasonable men what

a great way to finish thanks so much Paul for thank you great really great than you so what did you think let me know in the comments I'm telling you from an interviewer's point of view Paul McKenna maybe had the best energy in 1,000 episodes but what are your thoughts let me know in the comments right now and before you go make sure you like the video subscribe to the channel and turn the notification Bell on and remember if you don't risk anything you risk everything [Music]