Joe Rogan Experience #2254 - Mel Gibson

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day all right we're rolling what's cracking oh man my back just now just all these chair fantastic what is going on with your back you you you have like you've had back issues in the past right we talked about that the last time you came on well I was born scoliotic you know yeah so it's like I bought just I just bought my own Penal so I could click the [ __ ] you remember here take all

devices away from I can't believe you remember you remember clicking on the pen that's hilarious oh yeah I'm I'm a fidget you know so I uh let me take everything off it's it's not good oh yeah born born slightly scoliotic and then of course I banged myself up over the years you know of course what can you what when the do they do anything other than surgery for people with scoliosis they do because I don't want to do surgery once you start opening stuff up and fooling with it yeah there's no going back especially the

back yeah back's a rough I never met anybody that had like fusions or anything where it turned out good no and like hypocrates you know the father of medicine he said in any ailment look first to the spine and it was like he's kind of right it all emanates from the from the core well if your back is [ __ ] up everything's [ __ ] up yeah you know no matter how strong your arms and legs are if your back is [ __ ] up you're you're in trouble yeah that's true your brain everything

everything goes to hell well you're in pain all the time yeah people with back problems like they can't think straight because you're always like you know it's always there's a gift to not thinking straight H tell me tell me more I want to know well it actually takes you down some pretty weird paths you know um uh if you're happy all the time I don't know you don't have you you don't have to strive to find thoughts to make yourself happy right so it's like a um it's a good it's a good uh it's a

good predisposition I think I agree to that yeah I think being happy all the time is a it's kind of an unlikely scenario no nobody is yeah no but we all want it you notice we all yearn for it there's just Inc that's the only thing we all want right just happiness little peace well it's also we're shown it like in you know television movies like we're shown happiness as this goal like seek happiness sure should be happy all the time happy should never be upset yeah well it's not realistic it's completely unrealistic however it's

nice to have those little Journeys through ART where you can actually explore those things you can explore your IDs you can explore happiness and uh so you can experience the opposite I look at situations around me and I I generally feel pretty grateful uh from what some people go through I'm grateful and everybody's got their crap you know but uh like this morning for example I would be surprised if my home is still there yeah we were just talking about that the Palisades is on fire yeah my friend Tom Tom soraa his house is gone

yeah is where he used to live he sold it luckily yeah I have a son he's in the sort of volunteer firebrigade Milo I call him the mayor of Malibu and he's running around and I asked him how's things looking there Milo he says not good pops he says your neighborhood and he sent me a a video of my neighborhood and it's INF Flames it looks like an inferno so yeah do you think this will get you out of California finally yeah maybe you know where you going to go oh I don't know I got

a place in Costa Rica I love it there yeah Costa Rica's nice yeah I bought there many years ago and it's it's a it's in a real nice spot it's not too touristy or you know dirt roads so it's off the Beaton does it feel safe out there pretty safe I think look it no place is safe I mean you got the darang down there you know's that it's kind of in the um what's the next country down Panama and you and and there's this no man's land where the Colombians come through and it's like

you know all kinds of dirty dealings in the jungle with you know who knows you know drugs and mules and yeah you know yeah so um you know it can be dangerous and I've heard of danger happening there you know you hear about somebody getting chopped up by a machete and Costa Rica is actually it's actually a cool place because it it never had a culture of death like a lot of the Central American countries did they have a culture of death you know even Mexico I mean they used to you know tear people's hearts

out and pyramids all that sort of stuff Aztecs were like the Romans the Mayans were like the Greeks they all sort of dabbled in some stuff um Costa Rica always had a policy where they was like the switzland of Central America they emphasize education and health and everybody's literate and it's it's kind of interesting in that way but it deals with its own little troubles yeah well like every country you know anywhere down in that part of the world MH it's just like there's so much sketchy [ __ ] going on all around you yeah

there can be yeah yeah one has to uh be forewarned forearmed all that you know so I have a a nice place down there yeah I have some friends that have a place in Mexico and I'm always like don't you ever worry yeah I worked in Mexico a couple of times I was down there and it was uh it was in BARC Cruz and apparently you know people were rolling heads into bars and stuff like that you know rival GRS and stuff and they said I'd go for a walk you know and uh they'd sayou

crazy going for a walk you'll get kidnapped I said I'm not going to get kidnapped I'm the guy that pays you're going to get kidnapped and I'm not going to pay your Ransom so it's like I never felt insecure in that way and you know if something's going to happen it's going to happen yeah you know if your numbers up I know I used to watch guys who do what I do for a living and they'd have a fance of bodyguards around them you know and like for security and stuff but and I used to

have that stuff for a little while but n doesn't make any difference you're going to be okay okay or not or not right until you're not until you're not and everybody's going to be okay until they're not yeah I got into dodgy situation one night and I acted crazy yeah yeah what happened if you act crazy everybody leaves you alone especially if you are a little crazy you know they know that you're in a stress mode so you actually get angry I if if I feel like I'm threatened I get angry which is what happens

and then you get really in people's faces and they think this guy's crazy but all the old cultures thought that like when there were people traveling across the Great Plains to go west you know if you acted nuts they'd leave you alone because they didn't want your evil spirits oh so what happened with you oh nothing they left me alone but where was this oh man I was in a bad neighborhood I um was it was when I first got into LA and I was to go to dinner with Costa Gabus he was a Greek

director I uh went the wrong way and it was before they had you know phones with like right you know all that stuff so Thomas guide it was the Thomas guide anyway I wasn't guided well by Thomas I ended up in the wrong place and then my muffler fell off and I was driving a Mercedes you know pretty nice sporty car you know and I thought oh and I had the wife in the car and I pulled into a side street the sun was going down and as I got out of the car I thought

oh I got to fix this Muffler I can't just drag it people started coming from houses and they came up to me and and I saw them coming in the rearview mirror and uh I jumped out of the car and got in their face and I said what the [ __ ] do you want cuz I thought I felt threatened right and um and the guy said man I'm just looking for some money you got any money so I was being mugged and it was like I thought I'll think about it when I'm [ __

] finished like you know I opened the trunk and this is the weird part Joe I I will never quite understand this I opened the trunk to see what I could find to help me put the muffler back on and sitting there the only two things in the back of the trunk was a pair of wire cutters and a coat hanger it's exactly what I needed and I don't know why it was there that's weird isn't it that's very weird so you use the coat hanger to wire up your muffler yep I cut a piece

of wire wired the muffler up the whole time more guys are coming Jesus Christ and they're standing behind me and I'm feeling like oh and um anyway I get up I finished the muffler slam and I'm acting mad and crazy the whole time and they think this guy's nuts and I get back to the car and my wife gives me a handful of cash and I thought what's this she says it's just wives and ones give it to her so I threw it and drove off but it was like it was looking hairy for a

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for free if you go to drink a1.com Joe Rogan seriously get on this so things are more dangerous now I think they are yeah I think so for sure yep yeah we were just talking about the Wildfire situation and how crazy it is that they spent 24 billion dollars last year on the homeless yeah and what do they spend on preventing these wildfires Zer Z Zip Zip and in 2019 I think Nome said you know I'm going to take care of the forest and maintain the forest and do all that kind of stuff he didn't

do anything didn't do anything and then on top of that they cut the water off yeah that's right yeah it's all funny and then I think all our tax dollars probably went for Gavin's hair Gill I don't know but it's like you know it's sad it's like the place is just on fire well the whole state is just so poorly managed it's so conf it's so frustrating and confusing and then he gets on TV and pretends like everything's great mhm and California is the best we have the best state we have the most amazing economy

and like you're out of your [ __ ] mind dude you've ruined the state personally ruined it well it's the same team that was up in San Francisco and they came down to LA and they're doing what they did in San Francisco and yeah San Francisco is kind of like apocalyptic now you know yeah I went there and it's like people every you know homeless you know it's just it's a mess it's just unbelievable that Society can crumble that quickly mhm really unbelievable it doesn't take long no yeah I read a book once by Jared

diamond called collapse you ever read that book yeah yeah crazy right it says all the things you need for a civilization to cave in and collapse and a lot of the things are present all those ear marks the precursors of a collapse they're present in our time so it's it's an interesting observation yeah and we're no smarter than our grandparents I don't think well that brings me to one of my favorite movies of yours is Apocalypto yeah you know when the Mayans were running things like who could have ever thought when they had such an

incredibly sophisticated Society unbelievable construction like the stuff that they had built that one day you just walk through there and there's nothing nothing nothing and nobody in fact there's something because it's interesting somebody was flying by what they thought was a volcano in the 30s some Buzz Boy and he thought hey that's somebody built that wait a minute there's 4X 8T bricks that's not that's man-made and it is literally the biggest pyramid in the world it's bigger than the ones in Egypt and it's in Guatemala yeah we talked about that the other day yeah it's

a recent discovery right well not that recent I was U maybe 20 years ago I visited I went down there with the uh with the archaeologist a guy named Richard Hansen who's from or some place and he's down there with his family he's been working tirelessly for like 30 years trying to extract this preclassic city from the jungle and there's not a bunch of tourists all the pyramids in tial would fit inside the one big pyramid in El Mirador really yeah it's a monster and so that tells you that the preclassic civilization was bigger and

grander and more sophisticated than the civilizations that came after it yeah pretty interesting well it is unbelievable how like when when you the accounts of like people that visited Mexico and visited the Aztecs like what the markets looked like and how insane it was and how gorgeous it was and then just yeah disease yeah disease or I don't know if it was disease or what I think the people were pretty dissatisfied it would have been hard for uh Cortez with his limited numbers to actually take over a civilization like that unless they kind kind of

happened upon a civilization that was pretty dissatisfied with the way things were going yeah so I think they had people to help them sort of Rebel when when you're making a movie like Apocalypto I mean that's a crazy undertaking you're making an entire movie where there's no English in it at all and it's a blockbuster yeah yeah it's cool it was fun that's one of the best movies man it's a [ __ ] great movie well because I think it's scary because nobody's speaking your language and you're looking at indigenous peoples who you and because

they're not speaking a language you totally kind of buy it and you can buy the horror and and the Primal nature of of the story you want to tell and and really it's just a series of fears one after the other you know being chased by you know scary guys or W eaten by wild animals or you know hit by blow you know blow gun it's all like uh a series of these things but I think basically I was doing was trying to talk about our time now and the civilization that we live in and

how close are we to collapse and what are the things that lead to collapse you know it's environmental stuff it's um Human Sacrifice yeah I mean we do that kind of we do yeah yeah we do we just dress it up Y when you find out medications are killing people and they keep prescribing them and they do it for money that's kind of sacrifice when you find out that Wars are irresponsible they're not just Wars not just no they're they're for money we send our young people over there to to die MH sometimes for good

reasons sometimes for not I mean I have I love this I love the warrior I do I love the warrior but I hate the war man yeah and um well we hate we hate an unjust War yes absolutely yeah yeah anyway it's uh yeah it's a mess but the human sacrifice aspect is is Alive and Well in our society I think it really is it's just dressed up in a different way yeah MH yeah rhetoric around it but they've always been able to justify it like an Apocalypto was like yeah so the crops will be

better hey we'll just you know yeah kill a few people yeah and then I had all these people come out of the woodwork hey we're we're archaeologists and scientists and that never happened so there's this revisionism about it too that it didn't happen but there are accounts from the time where yes people did witness these things and um and of course I had a bunch of battery of archaeologists and scientists and professors on my own that say yeah well this stuff did happen and here's the here's the you know the depictions of it in paintings

and images and you know so it's like it did happen so when you when you set out to make a movie like that like what first of all what brings you to that did you get the script first first like what was it an idea that you had in your head it was uh it just came from in here and I was working on something a buddy of mine said so what do you want to do next I said ah man I want to direct something and I always want to direct a chase film he

said what kind of Chase I said a foot chase he said what I said yeah people chasing you I mean there's something kind of Primal and scary about a foot chase and I think in order to have a foot chase you can't have a society where there's any kind of cars or anything anything like that otherwise you have a car chase but I want to film a foot chase like it's a car chase and uh he said H I said what are you thinking I said well I'm thinking if you go back before Columbus discovered

America you know and it's like uh people assumed that Columbus discovered America and then life began I said I want to know what was happening right before he got there before he got there and I said so I had this idea that you see all this stuff going on and there's no time period on it and then all of a sudden you date it by the arrival of Europeans and I thought it's kind of like the rodling you know Planet of the Apes in here it's like it's kind of a cool cool ending and he

said oh wow and he said where do you think Columbus landed I said why don't let's look so I looked up and the first peoples he encountered were Mayan trading canoes off the coast of Honduras and I thought cool what was happening in Honduras you know and you look at these towns and and pyramids and temples and stuff at that time and then the story was born from there and of course then we read the book by Jared Diamond collaps I read the Mind Bible the popal Vu and you know tried to delve into what

they believed and and what their civilization was like and they had Concepts as we do of Heaven and Hell of punishment or reward you know it was a little different quite a bit different actually in fact when I went down to uh the arch olical sites at Hill midor they dug something up and it was like well what is it and they said we don't know it could there was this carved image in the stone of this Mayan Warrior drinking and he had an ear spool and it was like H so they dug further and

further and it went like 26 MERS down and it was the entire story of the popal Vu W of the twins going into hell and getting their father's head and swimming back and it was it's this crazy story and it um uh kind of dated that book because I think it was a almost 3,000 years old this this uh mural this carving so it tells you that the story is pretty old and they thought initially it was probably back in the 1300s but this confirmed that it was at least 2,600 years old something like that

yeah so it's pretty cool that to be there when they're digging that stuff up is mindblowing well they're missing so much of the May history it's very coffee I want some water that's water in there water they're missing so much of the Mayan history you know because everybody's gone but um one of the you ever see that very bizarre carving where it looks like there's a guy who's sitting in a cockpit of a spaceship like looking through some sort of an an eye thing yeah they got some weird stuff it's like weird yeah where there's

fire underneath the chair like what is that they got dudes that look like Europeans they have these guys with red beards helmets and stuff it's like these Phoenician guys who probably traveled over there early on yeah probably maybe in the sixth Century or something like that so they it wasn't that long a boat ride so they probably went over there and made contact and they they thought they were gods or something and then they went away again and they said well wait for them to come back and uh of course they did come back but

it didn't work out the same no no no well there's so many accounts of you know people visiting the especially when you get into the Amazon sure oh I don't know about the Amazon oh my God what's tell me about that well first of all the Amazon used to be filled with people and most of the Amazon is man-made the jungle in the Amazon is agriculture yeah wow yeah okay the jungle and the Amazon they didn't even know this until fairly recently mhm and they now know from flying over they use light liar which is

this uh Light mini radar so they so when they use this laser radar when they fly over it they're finding all these grids and Pathways and cities in the jungle so the jungle had consumed all these cities you think there was millions and millions of people living in the Amazon and that Europeans came over diseases everybody dies jungle consumes a city people come back 200 years later looking for it like the lost city of Z like that uh that story right they go back to look and there's there's nothing left yeah Guns Germs and Steel

yeah yeah yeah great yeah wow that's fascinating I don't have to look into that and we're going through all those things right now Guns Germs and Steel oh yeah oh my God yeah germs yeah oh God the germs I had I'm just just on the tail end of some hideous flu that was going I don't know if you did you get the h5n1 or whatever the [ __ ] it is I don't know what the hell yeah I've had that that was the swine thing I had swine flu one time I you had that 2009

I yes it was around then yeah yeah it was it was an epidemic a pandemic whatever you want to call it but it didn't have the same sort of press releases that Co did sure I got the swine I acted more like a pig you know it's terrible terrible wallowing in my own mud so uh I like Flight Risk it's fun movie oh it's a whole you know it's a it's a hoot I mean I think the first thing you got to do with any film and I think it's incumbent upon all directors artists to

entertain first in some fashion even if it's a heavy story you have to find some some aspect of it that entertains and uh and I think this for entertainment's sake is just fun and it's quick I'm I'm not subjecting you to four hours of like watching autism dry right it's like it's like uh you know it's 85 90 minutes yeah it's a good time yeah and Mark is insane yeah he's great in it he plays a good psycho oh he's a psychopath Mark's got a good Dark Side there's some there's some dark stuff there that

he was able to draw from and uh every you know and then he'd let it out I can't even repeat some of the stuff he'd say in fact we had to cut most of it out it was like really sick but uh we we hint at it anyway when you make a movie now I mean you've had such a career when you make a movie now like what motivates you at this point in your life um like how do you how do you decide let's hit the green light on this one yeah there are things

that speak to me and uh and they speak for a for a long time it's uh I remember when I was a a kid in high school I was studying English and said well where did the English language come from and they talked about wow it came from this old guttural German Old Norse that the Vikings brought across and I was thinking well that's cool the Vikings you know and then immediately I start thinking man somebody should make I want to make a film about Vikings and they only speak in Old Norse because if if

if they say if they say h you know if they speak speak English all of a sudden right you're not buying it but if they're speaking some guttural language you're sort of scared by them and it's like that's scary to me and then I said to myself I'm 17 years old why am I thinking about making films about Vikings I don't know anything about making films and not much about Vikings so why the hell am I even thinking about that but that was something that was early on was like a drive I guess to sort

of depict things like that so I did films in other languages in Mayan and in in Aramaic in in Latin you know so and there's the power to that I noticed when I was young I used to go and watch a lot of foreign films and I watch French movies right or German or whatever they were Spanish I'd watch them and I think wow the acting's great in those and it seemed better because of the subtitles because more believable somehow I don't know right because you're not you're not hearing insincerity in their voice CU you

don't even understand what they're saying no yeah you just feel the emotions and words and it also it has to take your attention because you have to do another function you have to read yeah which is another thing that's sort of maybe blinds you to the flaws in the film making perhaps so you know hey it's a great trick yeah it's alisation there's a there is a thing about reading it while you're watching it's like an added element of concentration MH you know like subtitled movies you feel like you're a smarter person watching a movie

where you're reading it as well yeah and there's yeah there's something about the written word that's like it's a pretty interesting thing to throw into the mix I know when I first started it was kind of confusing but then I got really good at it and I think uh especially with something like what the passion that I did the written word was very important because it was you know you got all those books the Bible you know you've got the the different gospels and stuff that people are quite familiar with half the time they didn't

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void in Ontario bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance for additional terms and responsible gaming resources see dk. co/ audio that was a crazy movie because uh it was a great movie but it seemed like there was resistance to that movie oh yeah no there was which uh I I thought was very strange there was like Hollywood resistance to that movie like people didn't like that you were making it it seemed like yeah there's a lot of there was a lot of opposition to it and uh I don't know it's I think if you ever

hit on that subject matter you're going to get people going because of course it's big subject matter and it's like uh you know and my contention is you know when I was making it it was like you're making this film and the idea was that we're all responsible for this that his sacrifice was For All Mankind and that for all all our ills and all all the things in our fallen nature it was a Redemption so you know and I believe that you know I I actually am you know I was born into a Catholic

Family I'm very Christian in my beliefs you know so I do actually believe this stuff to the full so depicting that was an honor but it was also yeah you got the you got the Daylights beat out of your for it yeah because there's there's resistance first of all from secular Hollywood mhm where for whatever reason Christianity is the one religion that you're allowed to disparage yeah Christianity is the one religion where people all these Progressive open-minded leftist people they'll embrace all these different religions until it comes to Christianity and for whatever reason that represents

like white male you know whatever it represents colonialism you know whatever it you know whatever it represents it's negative yeah sure it's gotten a bad rap and they people do feel free to beat up on it MH even I do when I see it's like you know when it's not fair when I think it's off right like uh you know when they appoint some Cardinal in some dasis and he's been covering up for like people who are child molesters you know like Theodore mccarrick or Cardinal whirl or those kind of guys I mean or the

pope yes absolutely I'm I'm not Benedict oh not Ben well he was covering up but yeah so is the guy now is he really well yeah yeah it's it's not great I thought he was like the more Progressive Pope oh he's very Progressive yes but he's covering up for stuff as well well they they all are I mean it's a it's a a dark institution in a lot of ways cuz it's history you know well you know the institution it was instituted by Christ you know but that doesn't mean that it can't be flawed and

there's a school of thought that says it isn't what it purports to be anymore it's it's moved away from what it was intended to be and what it is uh almost there's a guy called um Bishop vegano who says it's a counterfeit parallel church and it's it's running an entirely different religion I actually don't I don't adhere to a post-conciliar church I adhere can you define what that means okay um there was an event that happened in the in the 60s first there was an event in the Vatican where they elected John the 23d pope

right in 1958 I was two years old right um he was elected and there was a very funny thing that happened in the conclave you know usually there's white and black smoke that goes out of the the chimneys to tell you we have a pope you know habam us pop him you know and the white smoke came out and everybody cheered and they went crazy and then about a half an hour later black smoke came out that never in history has that happened that the white smoke came out and then the black smoke came out

so white smoke means we found a new pope black smoke means no Pope that's right they'd have votes or there'd be one reason or another they'd have a round in the conclave and black smoke would come out many times many times maybe maybe it would take two weeks but never was it known that white smoke came out then black smoke came out so what was the scenario that somebody was elected and that maybe something else happened and he was pushed aside and someone else was put in ah so it was power struggle some kind of

power struggle and um of course the man who came out was a man called Angela ronali and he was John the 23rd now it's interesting to note that never had a pope taken the name of another Pope ever before in history but this man man took the name of a known anti-pop from the 15th century that kmo deedi put in there as his own man I'll get you in the chair and then everything will be Rosy you know everything will go good for business you know whatever he was putting him in there for some corrupt

reason but um and there have been corrupt men in that place before I mean there's Alexander I 6 and Julius II and 6us I fourth I mean some of these guys are you know they're not Saints um so he took the name of a known anti-pop from the fifth century who actually said yes I'm an anti-pop sorry I'm not the right guy because there was more than one and he confessed to being and he wanted to you know Square things with with the Almighty I guess so he confessed to being an anti-pop and uh so

he took the same name as that guy John the 23rd so it's interesting don't you think I mean I why would he do that well whenever you have that kind of power like I'm sure you've been to the Vatican right yeah it's stunning yes it's huge it's so cra when you're walking around you see the just the massive amount just the dollar value in the art that they possess yeah it's [ __ ] insane it's crazy yeah and uh you know it's a very small country it's a country yeah it's a country inside of a

small City yeah cuz Rome's not the biggest city no and then it's got a country inside the city yeah with a with walls around it sure and you can't extradite people yeah pretty weird how convenient yeah even ratzinger he didn't drive from the Vatican to the other place he flew o and it was only a little while cuz who knows why I don't know well he was wanted yes yeah I mean he had done one of the things that he had done was he had moved a priest that had molested a hundred kids and he

moved him to some new place where he molested deaf kids yeah yeah boy yeah yeah I know that's the the dirtiest most evil practice that the Catholic church has been accused of I think so and many institutions as well but that is a very bad one and uh I think it's all part and parcel of the same corruption that crept in and when you asked what's the difference between prev Vatican 2 so Vatican 2 happened and of course they they took the church and they they reformed it and they changed things in it and it

didn't necessarily agree with everything that went before it and up to that point yeah you could find it agreed with itself but all of a sudden you got something else to the point we now I mean I mean we got a pope that brought a a South American Idol into the church to worship really he did the pcha mama he bought the South and he got know what that is it's a it's kind of like a South American God patcha mam say any why would he do that good question but he did did he have

an explanation for why he did it yeah it's kind of a weasel worded thing of like oh all religions are just as good as one another but you know if that's his contention he shouldn't be the pope no I mean how can you be the pope if you say all religions are just as good yeah we all worship you know so yeah that's patcha Mama there you go so he brought that in yeah into the Vatican then the Hier he the hierarch even worshiped that they had a ceremony around it outside what well that constitutes

apostasy J it's that's an apostasy move all right worshiping false gods yeah that's number one on the Mosaic Hit List you know Moses goes up on the mountain he comes back down people are worshiping in a golden calf yeah you know it's it's that yeah so you can't do that and uh for me that's a departure from what you know that's called apostasy it's a falling away from it and the Very nature of apostasy means that you have to be part of it to fall away from it mhm so it's an inside job ah so

what do you think there's a motive Behind these things I don't think you well probably what do you think it is I don't know but it isn't good I think look I think we're we we're looking at a world where and this is the in the next film I'm going to do I'm going to try and Tackle this question that there are big Realms spiritual Realms there's good there's evil and they are slugging it out for the souls of mankind and my question is why are we even important little old flawed Humanity why are we

important in that process where the big Realms are slugging it out over us and I think there's bigger things at play here and institutions that purport to touch on the Divine are necessarily going to be affected by that slugfest that's going on between good and evil right and and sometimes good gives up ground yeah and maybe not on purpose you know maybe there's some deception involved or self deception coed every morning when I wake up I actually pray that I don't deceive myself you know because it's like you know your mind is a very funny

place I mean there's uh I've always said you know it's your second thought and your first action that that you're responsible for your first thought throw it away you know right but upon consideration yeah the second thought is what you're responsible for yeah that's the difference between first degree and second degree murder there you go right right there first degree like I'm plotting this out and we we take that into consideration when we sentence people sure like if you're a person who just you're all of a sudden you're in a fight with a guy you

didn't expect it and you stab him and kill him second degree murder yeah but if you're like I'm going to kill this [ __ ] I'm going to find out where he is and I'm going to go get him first degree sure I planned a lot of murders in my life you know we all have yeah in your head you plan the murder and you think well that's not a very good idea but I think I could get away with it right there's the second thought yeah that is interesting that we take that into consideration

yeah that we do like if you've had time to think about it you're a different kind of person the person acts in the ACT sure you're in your animal passion yes and I found this out I actually spent a long time in my animal brain which is a very horrible place to be and um when you say that what do you mean by youve spent a long time in your animal brain you're in flight or fight right all the time you don't even sleep it's like really not a good place to be and if anybody

looks at you the wrong way you want to bite them yeah and sometimes you say and do things that are socially unacceptable and you know I went and got a brain scan by this guy called Daniel Amen who's this brain guy he's against all psych meds and stuff but he thinks like let me have a look at your brain and he put a radioactive tracer in me whoa and to photograph my brain he works yeah he works with a lot of football players and guys who had brain injuries man it's thirsty in here but but

um so he he looked at my brain and he was like and he opens the file and I'm in there with the guy and he looks up and he goes are you okay and he go first no first he went like this and I said what and he are you okay like that and I said yeah I think so and he he came over and he sat next to me but very slowly and cautiously he says no you're not and I said what do you mean he says you got the worst case of PTS I've

have ever seen and I said you mean like even worse than guys in Mo and [ __ ] like that and he goes yeah and he says you're not okay Jesus Christ and and I was like and I and I started I started to well up you know like no no I'm not it's like oh boy and it was uh he had a very miraculous and uh great remedy for it which was to eat a bunch of fish oil vitamin B complex and get into a hyperbaric chamber for 40 sessions but make sure you do

at least two or three a week ah it fixed my head really yeah it got me out of that wacky place you know so it was something to do with nutrition and oxygen and yeah and your brain is neuroplastic he he explained neuroplasticity to me and how okay you could get brain damage and like holes in your head and all you know concuss I used to play rugby ah I've been knocked out on the field a couple of times you know that explains a lot you know yeah and um so it actually you can actually

heal the holes in your head it look like swiss cheese in it's like horrible there L A lot of these football players get like that too the poor guys I mean they get depressed and they oh yeah you know oh yeah hormonal imbalance pituitary glands [ __ ] up oh yeah yeah absolutely yeah not producing testosterone or human growth hormone correctly that's correct yeah depression low energy yep irritability irritability when I kill somebody you know it's like terrible you know and uh and it's just not socially acceptable plus I don't want to go to prison

yeah well the rugby I bet that's a a giant Factor uh yeah I I played from like 13 to probably in my late teens and and you get knocked around a little 100% yeah there's no if fans or butts about that no helmet no you know well people don't realize like even shots to the chest cause brain damage oh yeah yeah that's what people are realizing now yeah sure I mean you know and like I'm addicted to the UFC right I love it but I know that these guys are I I feel kind of sorry

for them I do as well and and one of the guys I I knew one of the guys fairly well and usually I'm pretty immune to like but like he was in there and he was fighting against volovski it was Brian Ortega and he was getting his ass handed to him in one fight he almost almost got him a couple of times but like yeah he almost submitted him twice yeah I know but because I knew Brian it was like my CH it was like my son was in there I almost started crying I was

and it got to me I was like I should probably feel like this about all these guys but I don't know them as well it becomes a problem for me when I'm friends with a guy and then and then also I see when they're on the tail end of their career and they can't take shots anymore and then when you talk to them you recognize the speech patterns are slurring yeah yeah I met Muhammad Ali when he was in a chair you know o and um man I don't know if I could even tell this

story what he said was so funny but he was still in there and he was still a little devil and he was like uh and he was still he was still [ __ ] with people of course but it was like uh I I can't tell the story you can't no man okay footnote it tell me later I'll tell you later it is funny but it was my assistant you know it's what he said to my assistant was like so funny and um and and then he said it and we all were like whoa and

then I looked at him and he was just laughing he was laughing his ass off so he was still all in there but it was hard I guess he had the damage of being punched yeah trauma related Parkinson's disease yes very common for Fighters God oh no yeah yeah yeah it's not good I got knocked out when I in a fight when I was like 20 and it was like knocked out like out and it was uh you know I woke up in the hospital not good no well a few of those will explain a

lot yes it does yeah and we didn't know that you know back then that's why it always drives me crazy in a movie when someone gets hit over the head with a gun and knocked out and then five minutes later they're fighting and they're fine you know or shot in the arm you know got to kill you you know that always makes me laugh too but we used to do it you know well you kind of have to right it's like part of the whole thing of telling a movie you got to sure I mean

Michelle Docker even brains Mark Wahlberg with a fire extinguisher at one point it's yeah he's back you know brains him shoots him oh yeah he's a cockroach you can't kill him it takes a lot more we you'll find out yeah but uh we're you know people used to think that concussions are just something you recover from like no big deal you get a concussion take a break for a little while you'll be fine you might not be fine no you're not I got a concussion at my daughter's wedding this is really weird okay so she's

getting married married a great guy they got a great family and um a buddy of mine from Australia comes to the wedding and he goes comes up and I I go to hug him and he he Ducks down and he comes up and he puts his shoulder into the point of my chin the guy weighs 240 and he puts his shoulder into the point of my chin and knocks me the [ __ ] out Jesus Christ I'm like and like for the next four months I'm messed up I have to get like a guy to

work cranial sacral you know fix me up and stuff like that it really messed me [ __ ] Australians yeah yeah there you go wild folk worse than Germans yeah they just wild ex prisoners yeah yeah wild prisoner of mother England yeah yeah anyway so this this story that you want to tell about Good and Evil like do you have a script or is it just a thing in your head like what is it yeah it's it's it's the resurrection story and but it's it's uh it's not just it's not linear because you can't really

it's hard to understand so it's got to be put in a framework where you answer a few other questions as well and you have to juxtapose the event itself against everything else so that it makes some kind of sense in in a bigger picture which is a hard thing to do and it took my brother and I about and and a guy called Randall Wallace plus my brother and I took us six seven years to write it so are you doing this with historians as well are you trying to make it yeah yeah yeah historical

stuff well I regard I regard the gospel says history it's verifiable history some people say oh it's a fairy tale he never existed but he did and there are other accounts verifiable historical accounts outside the biblical ones that also bear this up that yes he did exist and um and and the other aspect of that is that the all the evangelists the apostles who went out there um every single one of those guys died rather than deny their belief and nobody dies for a lie nobody right so that's part of what I'm doing it's like

showing nobody dies for a lie yeah well the resurrection is the one that is the most diff difficult for people to swallow yes that is the one that requires the most Faith the most faith and the most belief yeah Resurrection yeah who who who gets back up three days later after he gets murdered in public um who gets back up under his own power Buddha didn't do that [ __ ] right you know so you believe that was a real event yeah I do yeah what brought you to that belief is this something that you've

always had or is it something you you studied it and you've come to this conclusion because of the historical accounts and yes uh I think as a child you know one accepts things on faith because you know you're raised by people who are nice to you and they believe it and my dad was a pretty smart guy he was like Mena smart you know like real smart like back in 1968 he won Jeopardy right and then really and then they brought all the Jeopardy winners back and he played all the winners and he beat all

of them too so he had a mind like a steel trap and his memory was practically photographic my memory is pornographic but it's like it's like his his was like I don't have that that kind of mind right um but I'm more like he did math and you know I can't add but uh um so as a child you learn um these things and you accept them on faith and I still have that Faith but as I got older I came to it through intellect and through reading and putting things together and accounts and then

occurrences like in my own life you know I mean just recently they verified the shroud of Trin have you seen that I've been reading about it and I know that there's some contention there's some some discussion and debate about it but they used to think that it was only a couple hundred years old and now they've they've changed that yeah they said no it it's back then they also don't understand how it was made which to me is very fascinating it's not paintt it's not they don't know what caused the image itself and how that

technology would have even been available it wasn't yeah a couple thousand years ago an intense light I mean Atomic to leave almost like a photographic imprint on a piece of cloth yeah and it's wild pull that up pull the shroud of turn up oh yeah it's wild to look at because it's it's so interesting oh yeah and you can see it that it depicts a first century Hebrew male because the hairstyle was from the first century and a Hebrew hairstyle that he was about 6 feet tall that he was completely scourged all over his body

he was crucified um the one on the left is the one on the right is just like an artistic rendition that's the face yeah click on that one the face the face yeah that's good enough get that large that's [ __ ] crazy yeah yeah scourged beaten a CRA the the wounds on the the Thorns the hands the feet uh and and the scourging and the the the hairstyle was from the first century and the pollins that they found in the cloth were from that region yeah uh also the weave was a first century weave

that was typical and another guy an archaeologist who I knew who actually translated the passion in Aramaic told me that if you look close you can see the the the image of a tiberious coin marks on the eyes now I don't know if that's real or not I've never actually checked that but that there's images of tiberious on the coin so they would put the coins over the eyes yeah so that would date it uh but they have now verified that it does actually go back to that time period for a while they were testing

pieces that had been repaired in the 13th century or right you know what is the latest on that Jamie can you see see like I I was trying to get that I had I have two different articles from within the last 6 months saying opposite yeah opposite of course know which one sounded the most accurate well it's such a crazy thing to even try to verify like what are you like what are you saying you're saying that this is really the Shroud that Jesus was covered in so you're saying Jesus historically absolutely did exist and

we think that this is the Shroud that covered him that just that alone people incredulity people immediately they they they their hackles raised like wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute and they just instead of like looking at it objectively they don't almost always want to look at it from a point of view of dis disproving it immediately dismissing it immediately but that's you know that's science isn't it you have to sort of you know you play The Devil's Advocate and and that's okay go for it you know um do you are you

aware of Graham Hancock oh no Graham Hancock is uh he's sort of a historian that has a very uh he's got a series on Netflix he's a fascinating guy and his his career started because he was investigating this these accounts in Ethiopia of the Ark of the Covenant and that they believe the Ark of the Covenant is in this one church that's protected by all these monks that wind up getting cataracts and radiation disease and sickness and they think that it's because they're protecting this Arc of the Covenant this this actual thing that it's an

actual physical thing that's there and if you touch it you get zapped yeah yeah and that even being in its presence [ __ ] these people up maybe maybe who knows I mean it's got to be someplace right they buried it they lost track of it yeah but uh man it used to be and and all the stories are if you even touched it you fall over you know cuz it constructed electrically somehow yeah like what is that what's in there yeah why why is it giving people cancer if they're really protecting it I think

it's the actual structure of the container it's in that that is the problem that's my thought on I could be wrong but I think inside it they have things from like uh when Moses was like mana and you know stuff like that that they they managed to keep from like for example they they say that uh that golgatha the place where the crucifixion happened it's called golgatha the place of the skull because that's where Adam's head is buried really yes and that that it's also perhaps the same place and and it it tells you it's

kind of in the same area where Abraham almost sacrifices Isaac oh so it's interesting yeah and it's uh and and the cross when in any artistic depiction at the foot of the cross underneath it is the skull uh representing the skull of Adam huh so it's interesting yeah yeah there it is yeah that's the skull of Adam huh yep wow place of the skull memory myth in the chapel of Adam what did you uh find on the shroud of Torin Jamie both those articles just asked like one person like one re researcher thought it was

another researcher based off of their research said it wasn't can you put it to the one that thought it was um so the one who thought it was is a like aarch a nuclear researcher Jesus Christ the other one was like a AI artist from Brazil yeah so I I don't know who has the most so it says study published in the journal Heritage the authors conducted dating work on a sample from the Shroud coming to the conclusion that it may be a 2,000-year-old relic the Shroud which has long been the subject of intense scrutiny

features a faint image of a man some believe is the body of Jesus miraculously imprinted onto the cloth while the latest study does not discuss the question whether or not the artifact was indeed Jesus's b b uh burial shroud specifically the authors did find its age is roughly consistent with his time [Music] oh yeah yeah I think isn't the smithonian guy all for it I don't know maybe that's him I don't know but uh yeah there's for and against there's always been yeah yeah always but it's just but the but the but the image is

like yeah it's pretty crazy yeah whatever it is is pretty crazy and the fact that they don't know how they made it is also pretty crazy yeah it's not a painting no then not not exactly sure how it even came about yeah it had to have been some kind of intense light well the the thought was that even trying to replicate something like that today would be incredibly difficult to do sure it's like an x-ray vision you know it's like an x-ray that's what it they you only see you really see it in the negative

only right you know right it's like a negative yeah yeah H hey I buy it but but but that's not the only reason I buy it I mean I think you know there's other logical reasons why I why I believe so like what are those oh okay stuff that happens in your own life the results you get from actually appealing to a power greater than yourself you know and I mean I don't think it's any secret I am flawed in the fact that I am by Nature born an alcoholic right I did drugs I did

alcohol so and there was nothing that could stop me from doing that nothing so I was really kind of on you're on a downhill run so I regard the fact that I was able to appeal to something greater than myself to help me and actually stop me doing that I think that's a miracle it is for me it is and for many you know so well that is the thing about AA right it's it's a part of the whole process is appealing to a higher power sure it's spiritual program because you're suffering your spiritual malady

you know yeah so it's a spiritual cure and that's the essence I think of why it works because you can't explain it otherwise I mean it's well you kind of can but um I think what you're being asked to do is to think about other people and other things more than yourself because it's kind of an ego disease yeah so if you that is the problem with addiction right it's very narcissistic very narciss you're constantly thinking about yourself and what you need I need a drink I need a bump I need a you know I

need something sure I need and no matter what you need it's never going to be enough right right so you actually have to appeal to something outside that you consider bigger and better than yourself which instantly kind of pushes you more in the direction of humility because because you're not the center of the universe anymore right and that you can't do it and the first step in any of that sort of stuff is accepting that you are powerless over it that's the first that's the first uh that's the most power powerful step you can do

is that you're powerless when you realize that you're like okay yeah there's [ __ ] all I can do about this I have to appeal to something better than me and that to me is a miracle yeah yeah well it's a very uniquely human thing the ability to course correct and also just the the concept of addiction in the first place sure you know it's a very uniquely human thing that we all know there's dark roads our mind can go down and then we wonder like what is the purpose of these dark thoughts what is

the purpose of this destructive behavior that we're all prone to in some way shape or form what is the purpose of everything I mean like I mean why am I here what's the meaning of this and I'm looking for purpose and and uh what is it we're here for I think you know we have to leave some stuff but you have to leave some good stuff you can leave plenty of bad stuff you know and it's uh and we're all prone that way I often think about you know the human race as a whole you

know you think about guys like you know Stalin or Hitler or chairman Mau or and I'm I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be sharing a cell in the afterlife with those guys you know right I don't know where I'll be on the ladder but uh um depends on how you end up right well that's it yeah it really is it's it's like you know and we're allowed to make mistakes and we do we are so flawed and I am I I'm more flawed than anyone you know but it's uh um something that you I

think and it's pretty safe to say I'm in the third act now you're in act two right go do tight but I'm I'm like I'm in the third act man so you got you have to think about the other side you to think about what comes next is there a next yes there is I believe there is and I think it's U uh depends on how you live now and uh and the beauty of believing is that even for your transgressions you can be forgiven and you can be redeemed but it's all up here right

you know is the true acceptance and understanding of what you've done and what you should do sure you have to look at yourself honestly yeah yeah yeah absolutely honestly you have to be able to accuse use yourself and uh and understand that there is there it's a great deal of Mercy involved in the fact that I believe that God sent his son down to tell us okay I'm going to Ransom you people from your Fallen nature and um and I'll give you a road map on how to do it and um and people do it

there's even people that do it that I've never even heard of it you know some guy in the jungle some place I'm sure right you know because the Creator is above the law me it's an interesting fact to note that the first canonized Saint you know who it was no the first ever confirmed canonization as a saint was dismus you know dismus was no he was hanging he was the thief on the cross next to Jesus Oh and he says to him you're going to be okay this day you'll be with me unbaptized Criminal all

that stuff so wow the lawmaker is above the law so there's a lot of Mercy what about people that never experience Christianity what about the the uncontacted people that's right that's what I'm saying some guy in the Le yeah it's been known that uh it's called Invincible ignorance because they don't know what the truth is MHM you know it's possible that they can be saved as well I you know so what are your thoughts on Evolution W the Darwin thing yeah I don't really go for it no yeah Ice Age dinosaurs you know what did

they turn into I mean things became extinct at some point I don't think I was some kind of like you know legless thing that crawled out of the ocean I don't think I came from that I think I was created do you think other things were legless things that came out of the ocean do you think like multi-celled organisms came out of single celled organisms and there was some sort of a natural selection and random mutation and it led to everything else but us sure look at gain of function right you can like you can

make stuff happen and I'm sure stuff did happen um but I think it's all part of creation I think it's all ordered I think anyone left anything left to itself without some kind of intelligence behind it will devolve into chaos and so that there has to be some big intelligence that orchestrates everything not that we don't have chaos in the world but I think that's our own making but what do you think separates us from all the other creatures wow I think we have a soul we're created with a soul um and you know I

went to a restaurant last night it was a steakhouse in Austin and it was interesting because all the pictures on the wall are pictures of animals that look resentful like cows and steers staring at you looking angry as you rip into a stake but um I just believe we we are higher than those creatures because we have a soul we have an intellect above theirs and uh and we aspire to to higher things we have we have aspirations right um and you know this is part of why people drink and smoke and do dope and

all this kind of stuff is because they're looking for a a spiritual experience they're looking for like they actually call alcohol Spirits I mean it's they're looking for something higher and I think we all have that yearning in that we want to be happy and uh we want to be at peace and we want everything to be hunky dory so there's this yearning in buil in all of us for that to Aspire to something greater and that's why we're inspired by stories I think because it's like U you know Hero Stories you know Joseph Campbell

stuff the hero with a thousand faces and stuff it's like these stories Inspire us I met I I was at a party the other day in in uh in Tennessee and you think Tennessee what's going to happen there it's going to be squeal like a pig no man there's some people live in Tennessee sure but like amazing people and I found myself in a conversation with four tier one dudes all of who did something extraordinary and it was that Tom Slatterly guy it was the Blackhawk Down guy there was Shawn Ryan who's he's got you

probably heard of this guy friend of his yeah right yeah there was um a guy called Christian craige head you know who that guy is no whoa and then there was uh Eddie they wrote a book about him Eddie gallager Gallagher Yeah Eddie Gallagher I was talking to four of these guys at the same time and I didn't know who to who do you even talk to but their stories are amazing especially and the one guy I ended up talking to was an sas guy British SAS he just looks like a bank teller but he

did something extraordinary and in incredibly Brave and uh and with no regard for himself only regard for other people and it was like whoow you hear these stories and it's sort of just like it pumps you up you think would I could I do that could I be that person I don't know if I could I don't in in a way I don't even want to ever find out because you have to be in an extreme situation right but um but hearing about other people and how they behave in situations that are difficult is very

inspiring so you know it's uh yeah there's so many of those stories around and through history well that's another unique thing about human beings is that we learn from others in a very extraordinary way and that's one of the reasons why we like stories yeah why we like myths and fables because there's there's lessons you can apply to your own life without having to actually go through those things yeah well that's right I made a film about that guy um uh Desmond Doss you know I don't know if you saw it it was like hacksaw

Ridge it was this film and it was about a medic who figured so much killing going on he's going to go into the battlefield and save lives and he didn't have a weapon and he was in the worst place on Earth and he he got a a a Congressional Medal of Honor because he kept going in to the worst place possible and dragging wounded guys out with no regard for himself I mean who does that kind of stuff right and over and over again he didn't just do it once he did it hundreds of times

he of got you know hit with shrapnel and a bunch of other stuff but he lived to be an old man but wow and it was just pure Faith you know so you know those guys that those kind of stories Inspire the hell out of me anyway so when back to this uh idea of evolution so do do you believe that Evolution exists in animals do you think there's some sort of a natural selection process process or do you think that it is all intelligent design um well I think everything was created right and maybe

things do move on and adapt and change through time but I think that that's a function of an intelligence also and I mean look at the fires in La you know I mean what's that going to do it's going to give me a new house you know maybe maybe and uh or a new place to live yeah something yeah I'm just not totally convinced I feel it and and I can't really I'm sorry I can't intellectually tell you why I don't believe in evolution but I don't it's just a feeling I don't think I was

some ape or I don't think my ancestors were I think they had to be pretty smart to survive so what do you think all these prehuman hominids are that they keep discovering like what tell me what a prehuman homonid is Australia pithecus or some of the other humanik creatures that never made it like Dennis ens neander tals yeah yeah stuff like that okay well they've got something called zinjanthropus you remember him no zinjanthropus man and he was like you look kind of like this but it was like they they looked at it and they did

some core samples on it and it was put out there by people advocating Evolution and they discovered that it was a human skull attached to the jaw of of an ape oh I do remember this was a HOA yeah there's been some hoaxes yeah yeah but there's also been real stuff really yeah you don't think so well maybe well what well you know like I don't know tell me uh well what was that one that we looked at the other day that was one of the first uh prehuman that buried their their their young or

buried their dead rather it was a homo n naldi what was it you remember that I can't remember how to say it but lady no lady yeah there a prehuman homed very small creature that buried their young or buried their dead rather I keep saying buried their young they buried their dead um you know Australopithecus there's there's a bunch of different you know the Lucy skeleton there's a bunch of different prehuman hominids yeah maybe they were monkeys I don't know you know yeah well there was they're similar to us just not where we are they're

on the road to becoming what what it means to be a human being yeah I don't know I don't know what do you think those are I don't know they could be animals or they could be like look at today I mean you can get some mosquito can bite you and and your kid can be born with a malformed skull or something it's like uh you know they have those you know yeah but this is like a like a genetic thing like they've done they've mapped the Genome of these creatures they're different yeah well I

don't know how to explain those Joe I don't know but but you do think that human beings were created by God sure I do yeah when do you think that happened when oh probably and not that long ago really no not really like what do you mean by not that long ago probably only about 8,000 years ago really yeah so what do you think things like gockley tape are when they find these constructions that are dated carbon dated to 11,000 plus years old I question carbon dating really yeah that makes things a lot simpler well

yeah they there yeah well there's a lot of money in in in you know claims and I don't know uh water's there yeah well carbon dating seems to be pretty Rock Solid studies yeah I mean science the science behind radiocarbon dating and detecting carbon Isotopes it's like that's pretty yeah pretty legit yeah I don't know I can't Square it yeah well you don't have to and I don't have to and I and what difference is it going to make to me yeah that's the thing it's uh it doesn't make a difference in terms of your

experience in this life on Earth no like you you can have your faith and your ideas and live a great life from beginning to end and it might not suit you to really Ponder Evolution and all the puzzles and problems no it doesn't you know yeah and I just like you know I look at all sorts of stuff like that like you know the you know the icebergs melting and the water overflowing it's not ever have a glass full of ice and watch it melt did you ever see the glass flow over no takes up

less room you know yeah you know the hot Greenhouse whatever you know I well there's a lot of horseshit that's involved in climate change for sure I've studied that and I've T had many discussions over the last four years the problem with anything is that one a narrative gets established and then there's a profit attached to the solution to that narrative yes and that's green energy and green energy bills and there's businesses that are wrapped around there and then there's also this fear that they love to pump into people about climate change that you know

they terrify the [ __ ] out of young people that we're going to destroy the world and climate change you must act now and then you become beholden to the political party that is espousing these ideas and then their your enemy is the deniers of this science even though you don't even understand the science yeah and did you see the Washington Post uh article that they published recently about uh temperature change on Earth no well there's a down like what they've realized is over the last you know x amount of thousands of years that the

temperature on Earth is plummeting yeah and it's dropping and then when they look at the the dips this is the most important thing for anybody that's really freaked out about climate change there's no static temperature of Earth ever there's never been a time where it maintains a temperature until human beings came along and [ __ ] it all up that is just not real before human beings ever existed if you trust these core samples there's been a giant rise and fall and this constant dip I there it is yeah scientists have captured earth's climate over

the last 485 million years here's a surprising place we stand now look at the dip at the end whoa that's where we are that's that's reality and then if you look at the course of history you look at the rise and fall like it's never a straight line way before human beings ever existed if you believe these silly people way before human beings had ever existed there's always this rise and fall and this idea that the whole thing is based on carbon emissions from human beings is total [ __ ] mhm it's not true we

might be having an effect but we're having a small effect a very small effect and the other things are completely outside of our control including solar activity the distance between the Earth and the Sun M you know there's a lot of factors there's there's all sorts of factors involving natural activities like volcanic emissions you know which devastate you know the entire human race was knocked down to a few thousand people yeah at one point in time because of the Toba volcano oh my God yes yeah no light yeah no light for years good luck yeah

yeah good luck and the people that survive are [ __ ] barbarians yeah this most Savage and then they takes a long time before they can figure out civilization again after that it's like dinosaurs they just stop mhm so what did they evolve into chickens I guess Birds Raptors well they think a lot of dinosaurs had feathers now yeah that's the the newest thing yeah maybe you don't think so I don't know I need to take a pee I'm so desperate let's take a PE let's take a pee we'll take a break we'll be right

back take a p it's a nice picture it's that's got to be a moment in your head where you just like every now and then just go [ __ ] yeah yeah it is funny yeah but it was a good picture the only thing that was going through my head was okay I can't I just can't look bad and I didn't have anything no grooming implements so I just tried tried my best to not look too bad there you go yeah you talk about humility like what gives you more humility than being publicly humiliated sure

yeah public humiliation and it's you know what most for most people it is their number one fear sure is public humiliation yeah yeah yeah public speaking and because of that public humiliation sure yeah happens all the time cuz we're so concerned about other people's opinions of us I guess yeah cuz we're not our own opinions well you've been through a lot well so have you I mean I remember you know I think they were they were giving you a grilling once for taking Hors worm medicine yeah funny which yeah funny how that works yeah funny

how that works funny how funny how that does work yeah what's really funny is uh how that was that de a part of the demise of mainstream media mhm because people were like well this is crazy this doesn't make are you guys really the news like what is this yes I know it seemed to be they seem to be complicit with a a 100% And you know you think well why but why because of money I think this is what we were talking about before that there is good and evil and sometimes it manifests itself

in a very clear and obvious way and I think that's what that was that was evil that was putting people's lives second and putting money first well I I know why fou still walking around how is that guy still walking around I don't get if just people understand the history of the AIDS crisis and what that guy did back then did you read that book yeah yeah I read the book I listened to it yeah I did I drove up to San Francisco and I listened to it and I had road rage oh yeah and

it was like whoa um how is he still there how is first of all people that don't believe it how come RFK Jr didn't get sued yeah how come there's no lawsuits if there was lies there would be lawsuits he'd be publicly humiliated instead they kept that book off bestseller lists that book sold millions of copies they hit it that's when you find out that bestseller lists are actually curated it's not really bestseller yeah it's censored it's all censored everything's censored you know but that book is an accurate depiction of what Anthony fouchy did during

the AIDS crisis which probably was an a crisis yeah was an AE crisis I mean it's it's fairly incontrovertible now that he was fooling with gain of function 100% and you know it's you know what why is he still around right uh or at least free right right and no repercussions yeah whatever happened to that story where you know the wombat and and the weasel got together and they were horsing around in a bat pissed on with a golden shower you know it's like and all of a sudden it was in a wet Market very

wet Market you got you know complete total horseshit and totally the scientists that we're supposed to to trust were pitching that horeshit the AIDS thing some green monkey bit a quantis steart on the ass then he went around the world and got everybody sick and it was like you know ridiculous if you want to go to the AIDS rabbit hole look up a guy named Peter duberg oh yes I know I read that book yeah that is crazy cuz if he's telling the truth this is the [ __ ] covid crisis times a thousand MH

yeah I had him on the podcast way back in the day it was one of the earlier guests that I had it was like way back in like 2010 it was one of the first times I got openly attacked for someone being on the podcast they was like blood is on on your hands I'm like first of all no it's not it's 2010 who's dying of AIDS zero people so stop it's not bloods on your hand like if this guy's correct he's a tenur professor at the University of California Berkeley who is like his work

on cancer is you know everybody thinks it's groundbreaking work brilliant doctor but he was a heretic he was a guy who stood outside of Fouch Nar Doctrine and the narrative and he said I don't believe that HIV is what's causing this when all these people that are having these immune systems are all heavy drug users yeah he's like I think this is a disease of a decimation of the immune system due to heavy drug use and then on top of that you're prescribing this chemical this a that kills people yeah no they stopped using it

for chemotherapy because it was killing them quicker than cancer was I was in the Sydney Theater Company in the 90s and I was going to a funeral once a month of friends they were all dying it's crazy in in in the 80s and 90s and they were all getting a yeah maybe yeah I don't know well the ones that were getting act even the ones that were asymptomatic yeah like Magic Johnson they were giving Magic Johnson act he had to stop taking it yeah because he was making him sick it was killing him yeah yeah

I read it and like it's even with rfk's book and and he's an amazing guy people say oh he's kooky he's crazy he's not crazy he's not he's he's one of the most aidite you know he's they say he's an antivaxer he's not he's not he's like he's he's he's a very shrewd he's never lost a case I don't think when he brings something to suit I don't think he's ever been defeated but that book is not just him it's him and about a thousand highly qualified scientists and Physicians commenting on yes the whole situation

so when you read it it's it's a pretty convincing document and you're right nobody sued him for it yeah you know it's pretty scary well not not only do they not sue him their their response is to try to ignore it they don't want to debate him on it they don't want to do anything they want to just ignore it and hope it goes away but it doesn't go away and the more people talk about it the more people read it and when you do read it and you go if this is true what the

[ __ ] is going on and how is that monster still loose yeah oh well and he seems like a monster the way he talks about things he just seems well first of all there's so many instances of him lying there's many like where he said one thing two years later it turns out to be a lie said one like whether whether it is the um the mask thing whether it's the natural spillover you know the the lies about gain a function to Congress you know sure when he was lying to Rand Paul about whether

or not they did gain a function research like how is that not perjury how is he not in trouble yeah well well hey other Mysteries you know well then the Biden Administration is now talking about taking that guy and and giving him a full pardon it's like [ __ ] crazy yeah they might you know I gave h a pardon yeah but but hunter like Hunter didn't need a pardon was he indicted well I mean he was in trouble for tax evation oh I see there's a lot of tax problems he's he he definitely did

some uncool things and then there's the barisma thing but the crazy thing about his pardon is it starts at the time of him being involved in barisma so it's from 2011 all the way to today right that's that's what he hardened him it's the the biggest sweeping pardon that anyone's ever received ever and Biden's pardoned more people than anybody ever too yeah he was already over 8,000 people pardoned yeah a lot of criminals on death throw and stuff well there's that and but then there's also people that like the kids for cash judges MH you

know the where they were locking up kids and putting them in CH child detention centers because they wanted money and they were doing it for Kickbacks yeah I saw that a documentary yeah evil again what we're talking about Good and Evil yeah like there these are real things and rational people that profess themselves to be intelligent and secular they don't want to believe in Good and Evil they don't think that they're they just think people do bad things people have motivations they do bad things but they don't want to believe in the concept of Good

and Evil because these are biblical Concepts they are right yeah and I you know they've been around since the beginning and people want to pretend they're smarter than the people that sort of embrace these biblical Concepts right or yeah I think uh that goes into Evolution again does are we smarter than our grandparents you know I don't know well we are about some things but we can't survive the way they did nope they are obviously intelligent yeah it's just they didn't have access to information the way we do but there's a difference between information and

intelligence sure yeah I don't have many devices for information I read books I read mostly history books yeah yeah oh I got a a recommended book to you okay it's fascinating and it's I it's called the Frontiersman and it's about a guy called Simon Kenton you ever hear this guy no whoa and it was written by a guy who's now deceased his name is Alan eert and it is really about opening up Ohio and Kentucky and places like that with this guy Simon Kenton who was just an Irish immigrant he wasn't much for farming and

stuff but he thought he killed a guy and so he ran away because he thought he'd be indicted for some crime or something and he ended up being this Frontiersman and it is it's a very interesting document because you get the history of what was going on at the time when the country was opening up between the settlers and the Indians you know the shaune in there one of the most brutal books I've ever read really oh it's it's very well and it has a narrative but it's reconstructed from his you know all kinds of

historical documents and letters and Diaries and all this kind of stuff so I think the guy took about 15 years to sort of compile all this stuff and write it and the first half of the book is about this guy Simon Kenton and the second half is about tumza you know the chief really great book one of the one of the most fascinating books I read you can't put it down really y because it's just like it's like little chapters I'm going to get that right now have you ever read the Empire of the summer

Moon nope Empire of the summer moon is uh about the kamanche oh yeah and it's all about the settling of this area it's [ __ ] incredible and again one of the most brutal books ever so this is the Frontiersman the Frontiersman by Alan eert yeah I'm going to cat that right now just so that I make sure that I have it yeah and it's all in a little bite-sized chunks and it actually for a history book it has this incredible narrative with heroes and villains and and uh all the players very interesting document I'm

getting it right now yeah oh yeah don't read it before bed no no it gets pretty it gets pretty dark what why are you uh so drawn to history I don't know I think because maybe I'm trying to learn something it's been about 80 years since the last big war Alan eert got it I think I just want to learn you know I mean my dad went to World War II he went to gule Canal right got bit by mosquitoes he had you know malaria which is interesting to note that he used to take hydroxy

chloric when he get a malaria attack crazy and then when I tried when my doctor recommended I get it when I had covid they gouged me 800 it used to cost him 30 bucks they wanted 800 bucks for they were gouging well not only that when Trump talked about it then they all of a sudden they demonized it yeah yeah they laughed yeah yeah which is crazy because it's an antiviral it works yeah it works on malaria yeah yeah and people have been taking it forever sure pregnant women can take it if they have the

flu and it doesn't hurt the baby you know pretty safe it's like ior mton you know but that's what's so bizarre about the time that we just went through because there's more information now available to people instantaneously than ever before you look it up on your phone instantly know oh Iver meon the guy who created it won the Nobel Prize yeah 2014 yeah 15 yeah for use in human beings yeah yeah so what the [ __ ] is going on yep like how who's running this thing and it's harmless and it wasn't made for horses

it was made for people and then they used it for horses right right so well it's like saying penicillin is for horses because they use that on horses too like that's stupid they told me it was from moldy bread that's what it was from yeah yeah but I mean there's a lot of medication that's used on animals too you can't say it's a Veterinary medication just cuz it's also used on animals that's true it's been used on literally prescribed billions of times on human beings yeah it's like the stem cell stuff they started using it

on horses with empatic lung conditions race horses because they would bleed and they got the stem cells from the from the umbilical cords of their offspring injected it into them and it healed their lungs which is part of my story MH because I smoked for 45 years and I couldn't stop and I read this silly book by Alan Carr not the little guy who you know managed the Village People in the cfan the little fat guy but no this other guy Alan Carr and he wrote this book and it's the only thing that made me

stop it work like crazy but the book made you stop like what the book made me stop I read this book it was the book called the easy way to stop smoking and it's a silly title right and it was sad my son gave it to me he said stop smoking Dad here here's this book I left it on I used to walk past the bookshelf and go Dumb Book dumb title you know and then I finally my doctor said you have first stage empyema and I'm like you got to be kidding me he said

yeah you got to K the SM I better read this book so I read the book and I stopped right so it was uh um I think it was like neurolinguistic programming or something like that you read it and you kind of self- hypnotize yourself but it worked what did the book tell you like it said uh it didn't tell you you're bad you're you know you're going to die it didn't tell you all that sort of stuff it was like I mean they had things like maybe maybe I'm blowing it but uh they had

a chapter where it says okay we focused on the negative aspects of smoking now we're going to talk about the good aspects of smoking in the next chapter and then you turn the page and the page is empty you know and it's just a trick it's a mind trick the whole thing was a mind trick but it worked and I don't know why it worked but it was s sort of like self- hypnosis while you're reading the book and it wasn't a negative thing like I got to stop this it's bad it's bad I'm I'm

scared it wasn't even that in fact if I hadn't had the stem cells afterwards my lungs completely healed from that by the way did it do it intravenously yeah intravenous and it gets stuck in your lungs and it was Dr Reen that was Reen yeah we talked yeah yeah yeah it worked stem cells are incredible and the fact that you can't get them the way they can get them in overseas we can get it in Panama where Ruden has his clinic and Tijana they're getting better here they're getting better but there's so much resistance because

of the FDA yeah sure and the resistance is purely because of money it's again it's an evil thing it's not because they're they're not effective it's not because they're dangerous it's just because of money I think so and um you know there's an agenda I think you know farmer wants to keep you on stuff yeah they want to sell you something so if there's a a Surefire cure for something it's not necessarily hailed no um well and then there's also the problem of the media the media's lock step in with these businesses that are promoting

these things yes and they're not giving you information they're giving you propaganda before they're giving you information propaganda is more important to them than information yeah and that's what's crazy it's like we we're counting on you guys and you [ __ ] us you [ __ ] us for four years with this covid thing and now you expect us to listen to you about the [ __ ] swine flu or the bird flu or whatever other thing you're trying to freak us out about which always coincides with some sort of a political event like here

it is the inauguration of the new president and oh look at this there's a new disease what do we got now what is it do you think there will be well there is there's this [ __ ] swine flu H5 N1 whatever is I thought it was bird flu one bird flu one person died one person in America first person died 65 years old with a bunch of comorbidities yeah okay and which is usually what it is but by the way 65 people with a bunch of comorbidities die all the time of nothing they die

of anything any I mean this is like a car that's falling apart and you run over a nail and oh the nail killed the car no that car was falling the [ __ ] apart yeah like the the nail you ran over was the last nail in the coffin but the thing was falling apart I got Co from my Gardener and he had it first and then I got it I was like ah did I grab the hose or what you know what was I don't know but uh it was um it was I knew

the guy for 20 years and we both went to the same Hospital hospital and he died and I didn't Jesus I think we both got REM Des of here which is not good not good not good causes kidney failure I know I I couldn't walk for three months after I had that stuff really because it kills you I found that afterwards it kills you that's why I wonder about fouchy you know oh you should wonder about that guy when meanwhile they were trying to stop people from getting monoclonal antibodies yeah yeah yeah theyve restricted monoclonal

antibodies which is [ __ ] insane because they wanted to promote That vaccine because they wanted a profit off of it which brings us back again to evil Evil's real it's real putting money over human lives is evil I agree it's a it's a real thing and there's a there's a temptation to do it too which is even more crazy yeah I don't believe that there is anything that can afflict mankind that hasn't got a natural cure for it I think that that has to be it just makes sense to me now I couldn't prove

that but I just believe believe that yeah that there's got to be something that cures things and I'll tell you a good story okay I have three friends all three of them at stage four cancer all three of them don't have cancer right now at all and they had some serious stuff going on and what did they take Jesus they took some what you've heard they've taken icting fendol fendol yeah yeah I'm hearing that a lot they drank hydrochloride something or other there's studies on that now where people have proven that they drinking methylene blue

and stuff like yeah methylene blue which was a fabric dye yeah yeah was a textile die and now they find it has profound effects on your mitochondria yep yeah this stuff works man there's a lot of stuff that does work which is very strange because again it's when you when you hear about things that are demonized and that that turn out to be effective you always wonder well what is going on here MH how is how is our medical institutions how have they failed us so that things that do cure you are not promoted because

they're not profitable that they can't control it they don't have a patent on it whether it's vitamin D K2 and magnesium you know well yeah I'm doing I do all that stuff did did you do the Brea thing yeah yeah yeah me too I lost I lost like 30 pounds right it's fantastic I was talking to Dana and he said oh you know I was a and he and I said yeah I got to do something about this I'm like I'm 510 235 you know that's too fat yeah so I had to I had to

sort of roll it back some now I'm under 200 which is about that's great should be you know but and it was that uh Brea stuff no Gary's a National Treasure yeah [ __ ] on all over the place too oh sure going to sauna but I feel better oh yeah oh I do all that stuff yeah yeah cold plunge Sono I'm ritualistic with it yeah that's good it's part of my everyday life you I hear your your cold plunge is like 34 I don't understand that though I mean dude 34 degrees whoa yeah it's

cold that's hardcore yeah you get accustomed to it it to me is not I mean it sucks every time I do it I'm like don't do it don't there's like the part of me that's like my inner [ __ ] it's like oh we don't have to do this we don't have to do this but luckily the general is strong than the inner [ __ ] the general is always tell shut the [ __ ] up and get in there and I just get in there every day but I do like 48 man that inner

[ __ ] is always talking though he never shuts up no never shuts up don't ever think that it like even though I do it every day anybody who's like I don't know how you do it I don't know how I do it either but I [ __ ] do it I make sure I do it I just I'm the boss yeah do you do the saunas too you do the red light bed I I have a red light bed yeah I have a sauna red light bed I have a hyper barar chamber wow I

have everything okay I think baric Chambers is the best man it's incredible I got to get back in there I feel like I got more holes in my head it's phenomenal for just overall recovery of for everything and it's it's also been shown to lengthen telr they did a study out of Israel yeah they gave people a protocol over 90 days you do 60 sessions of 90 minutes over 90 days yeah and it's shown the length in telr and decrease your biological age okay and you just feel [ __ ] great that makes sense to

me yeah yeah you're flooding your body with oxygen most diseases a lot of them come from a lack of oxygen you know your body not having enough oxygen is very bad for you yeah I used to have a chigong master this is what kind of blows my mind about medicine and about ancient stuff mhm this guy is from Shanghai he didn't speak much English right a little bit his wife would translate for him and he'd come in and he could like Point At You right from this far away and you'd feel it but like feel

it like to the as palpable as someone pushing you around it's like really yeah yeah yeah I'm not kidding like like what year was this when this is happening oh [ __ ] I met him when I was like 40 yeah he only just passed away um damn too bad I'd like to meet that guy oh no there's people like him there are others like him oh yeah he's not the only one he learned it from somebody and I think he I think he imparted some knowledge but you know he would get you and he

could he could like Point At You and stuff like that and it it makes you wonder like how did they build the pyramids you know I mean if if he can use his mind and kind of get into quantum physics and move [ __ ] around with thought and with energy there's actual energy coming out of his fingers they could have built a pyramids like that I don't know maybe somebody had that down somewhere but well I'd like to hear a better explanation me too well it's it was really weird I he uh time he

was working on me and he was working on my liver he said your liver is blocked cuz he looks at you and if you look at him he looks away and his wife engages you while he checks you out and then he gives you a little body map and he puts X's all over it and you go yeah that's right I got a pain here and a thing there and you know he knows where everything is he knows exactly what's going on did you ask him what he is he seeing your aura like what is

he seeing everything he sees everything he was an alpath doctor first he went to medical school he could write your prescription he could do all that stuff he was a doctor and then he saw a Chung Master this old guy and people were lining up getting cured and he thought that's really interesting and he learned that on top of being an alpath doctor so one day he's at me on my back and he's pushing and I can feel my back and I'm at the wall and there's a poster of a film on the wall you

know my office and I'm looking and I can see him in the background and he's like down like this like ah like Kung Fu pointing pointing rays of energy at me and he hit me he started yelling at my organ at my liver like get out you know whatever and I I went up the wall and there was like8 inches of air under my heels and I was up the wall and I was like whoa and I came back down and it freaked me out and he I looked at him and he just went ah

he said don't die just science like that just science okay just science yeah just science and I was so freaked out I went to a priest I said is this guy demonic or something because he's lifted me off the wall and and the priest was like he was an old Jesuit right a traditional old guy and he was he was a cross between Jimmy Stewart and Omer fud you know that's that's the way he sounded and I said is this anything like demonic about this guy like putting he says who whoa who did he heal

you like that and I said why yes he did and he said that's right then and he says I have no trouble with something like that because it was it was within the realm of possibility that somebody had power like that and then it's inexplicable but that it works and it did work he yeah he just passed away he was pretty old there was a a place that you know I bought a comedy club out here and before uh the building that we bought was the Ritz Theater on 6th Street but before that I was

under contract to another building then this other building was owned by a cult and this is a crazy story The Cult was awful horrible there's a documentary on it it's called holy hell and this guy who was a gay porn star and a hypnotist he was a yoga instructor got a bunch of people in in West Hollywood and then eventually moved them all out here to Austin but what this guy was doing one of the things that he would do to his disciples is he would do a thing called The Knowing and they had to

be chosen for it they had to earn it and when he would get them and bestow The Knowing upon them he would touch their head and they would have this incredible experience where they said they contacted God now all these people denounced him eventually they left the cult they all said he was a con man and this and that but they all talked about that experience and they said it was the most profound experience of their life that they really do feel like they came in contact with God and it's like what can a person

if a person truly believes and this other person truly believes that they can do this to them and they have this moment and something does happen like what is is that all inside of us do people have ways of pulling that out of you that we've lost track of that we don't know and even an evil person who's running a cult and manipulating people and exploiting people still has this thing that he was able to do to them that even after they've admitted that this guy exploited them they say that was the most profound moment

of their life that's interesting isn't it because I think um yeah there are party tricks that you can get right but is that that party trick if it really is a pathway to connect you at least temporarily with God that there is a thing inside of of us well that's why I went to the priest because I thought what because I'm off the floor right right so I thought I got to check this out cuz this is too weird and he said did he heal you and I said he did and he said that's all

right then because the guy wasn't trying to get anything out of me right in fact he never charged me the first time I went to see him he charged me and it was like okay and then he never charged me again and he used to call me when I was sick really I wouldn't call him he knew when I was sick he'd call me he said yeah I need to come see you I'm like okay so he had like some sort of a direct with your energy something pretty amazing yeah and and and he could

oh this is the other thing he could teach you martial arts like quickly without you having to know what to do it was a weird thing he did it firstly with my son who he got him for a couple of weeks and like he said I want to show you something and I went out there and he blindfolded him he had these two swords and he was doing all this you know this crazy stuff I'm like what the I said how did he how did he learn that so fast he said it was in him

and I'm like whoa and then he started to he started to do a thing with he taught me how to harness this energy and to actually begin what seemed to be almost like involuntary movement and depending on the hand mode you took it would create a style of of Kata or self-defense I mean I used to do like some I used to do a crude martial art not crude but like a a hard martial art what was it chenai okay you know way back kushen karate yeah I think it's Korean it's Japanese it is yeah

I can't remember but it's like you know I didn't stick with it but it was uh but but he he he got this whole other approach of breathing and visualizations that would actually draw energy into your lower chakras and then you you know you'd release the energy and it would create this kind of movement and I showed it to a friend of mine who was a martial artist and I said tell me about the footwork I'm doing here and what I'm doing and he looked at me he says that looks really good to me I

said it's it was kind of like uh what's that really soft kind of mar ta it was like that I was doing stuff like that it was crazy and it was was really a great release but it was about visualization and breath yeah and the release of those that energy that you pent up from all around that you visualized coming manifesting itself in you there's got to be something to all that stuff people have been practicing taichi for a long time yeah they wouldn't be practicing to save movements for all these years if it didn't

do something yeah pretty interesting yeah it keeps people young and healthy they do it in ch you see groups of people out in in Asia sort of out there in groups do it all in unison it's like it's a good thing exercise yeah what do you do now for exercise oh gosh I'm terrible i've been I've come off I'm falling apart I got this I got dead dead guys Parts in my shoulder I've got you know kadab Parts my this shoulder fell apart this shoulder fell a hip a foot was terrible I couldn't walk for

about a year almost really and so you know you fall down that's partially why I had to go and see Brea I sort of mhm get the couch potato stuff off but you know I I lift weights and I do some you know walking and stuff like that like really get your heart rate up and stuff like that so you know I'm trying Hey I'm I'm you know I'm 69 years old so it's like it's getting to be like seven decades worth you know but I want to stay fit if I can and I B

I bang myself up a little too much in my early life so I'm paying for it now and like in your 60s man you're not there yet but stuff starts like giving up on you y y it's like I feel it in my 50s oh yeah how how old are you 57 58 is when it starts man oh Jesus yeah that's what I that's what that's that's when I first noticed it was like oh what's going on with this here the shoulder and and I went down to rear and of course we shot it up

with stem cells and it was good for like two years you know you just got to keep going back yeah yeah I didn't go back often enough that's the thing I think it's just your body's just not going to heal the way it did when you were younger unless you consistently get therapy for that yeah yeah you're in good shape though yeah I mean yeah so I was in reasonable shape at 58 and uh I think I'm in reasonable shape now but I'm I'm just uh you know it's just trying to push the old man

off and using various methods to do it you know yeah that's what it is keep the body as young as you possibly can yeah yeah and demand a lot from it that's what I do yeah I just demand a lot and make sure I recover I think a lot of it's about meditation too you know you can actually um get into a good head space that kind of cools you out and stops the stress even no matter what's going on I'm going to have to do it tonight when I find out whether I still have

a home or not you know yeah so well if anything looks demonic it's the fires in Los Angeles yeah I remember uh one time we were filming Fear Factor and we had a drive home we had to cancel the shoot or end it early and drive home because the fires had hit and this was like up uh we were off the five and driving home for 50 minutes on the highway the right side of the highway was in Flames yeah like Lord of the Rings like Sauron is coming over the top it looked [ __

] insane it look it's biblical yeah it looks insane and you got to be careful too cuz you could die can't breathe I mean come on if you can't breathe or if the cars in front of you catch fire and the wind blows this way and all the cars Catch Fire and you can't get off the road cuz the to the right of you is on fire to the left you is on fire and the fire is coming the highway oh yeah yeah people have died that way and it can happen in an instant yep

I got I got hung once by mistake I I and it was I was on a film set and I was I had my neck in a noose and I and I was directing the film so I was I'm on a ladder and I'm like so I'll just be hanging here like this and then the next thing I knew I was waking up I was on the floor you know and there were all these people standing over looking at me and I'm saying what are you people doing get to work you know it was like

and they said well you hung yourself I said whoa you kidding me it happens in an instant and you don't know it it wasn't painful nothing I was just gone well you probably got choked out yeah choked out by the by The Noose and then they grabbed me by the legs and got the Rope off and Jesus like during Braveheart it was oh really oh wow was funny so I I found out what it was like to sort of going into the next realm but of course uh we we did uh uh I I was

fortunate enough to work with uh with horon Gracie 39 years ago yeah you know he' just come from Brazil well I remember when you were doing Lethal Weapon it was the first time I'd ever seen Jiu-Jitsu in a movie a leg choke on film yeah he taught yeah Horan taught me the leg joke he said now you grab your foot and you okay and it was uh it was cool but it was uh uh now my girlfriend does it and she's like a purple belt so I've learned really yeah I've learned not to talk back

she's legit she's legit yeah belts Purple belt is basically a black belt you just need a little bit more time yep if you can get I always tell all Jiu-Jitsu students if you can get to Purple belt you are a black belt you're going to be a black belt oh she will you just got to stay on that path no she is she's just obsessed with it so and she's you know as I say I don't talk back to I think the purple belt is the hardest belt to get to it is cuz it's just

like in the beginning you're just getting crushed mhm that's Jiu-Jitsu especially for women it's so difficult for women because they don't have the physical strength that the men have yeah because you can kind of get away with a lot of if you're a big strong guy you can get away with a lot of [ __ ] but then by the time you get to Purple belt like man you have to have real technique and you have to have a real understanding of what's going on she's got a good mind and I think she's like like

a chess player it is like that CU I know from fighting with her she she wins arguments when she's wrong so sometimes you let them win though right yeah have to just like you got to walk away oh yeah sometimes it's like you got to go okay it's my second thought in my first action yes yes yes yes yes yeah but she got the purple belt that's amazing yeah good for her it's good for her yeah yeah a woman black belt that's an unbelievably exceptional woman they can get to that because they have to roll

with men and it's just signicant disadvantage she do big dudes and stuff and she's like you know she she's done some exceptional things I've heard so it's like uh yeah it's pretty good and that's awesome yeah yeah yeah I didn't follow it up you can still do it no I'm a more baseball bat gun kind of guy you know I'm in trouble I just like you know that kind of stuff well be careful with that in California you wind up being in jail yeah that's true you wind up using it to protect yourself and they'll

lock you up yes it's uh which is also evil mhm yeah that happens a bit Yeah mhm oh well it's yeah there's a perverse nature in in our society right now the law you know when you look at your life now and you're on your third act as you were saying like what what do you look forward to these days is it creating things it's creation yeah yeah I think it is it's about creation and uh I figure ah I'm not I'm I'm pretty average at most things uh but I'm good at a couple of

things you know I I know how to tell a story on film I know how to do that I don't know that's a weird place to be but I think um a lot can be achieved by Art and image and you can convey a lot without actually having to say it you can do things to affect people emotionally or spiritually even without being overt I always I always like to reference a um just a shot that and it's in a Scott movie right and you don't know why it works but or why it's effective on

some level but it's it's kind of a profound effective shot and it's that first shot in the Gladiator movie where he's running his hand over the wheat right with that music and stuff why does that work I don't know you can't explain it but it works well rley Scott is a master yeah there that's a that's a Visionary human being mhm he sees things he knows how to shoot yeah yeah and and that is that's really good it's it's a valid Pursuit I think in storytelling if you can do that everything every time he goes

out there it's a it's eye candy It's A Feast for the eyes you know do you have different goals with like different projects like obviously Flight Risk is entertainment it's fun it's entertaining entertainment yeah and uh yes different goals and it was the other thing too is it's like we're living in a different time now in the film world I mean everything's upside down and you have to compete in a medium where you have less time less money do it fast do it now and it's like wow can I do that I always had the

luxury of like you know big budget and 3,000 people on horses and all this kind of stuff or you know and and was able to take my time with stuff but I had 22 days and here here you got tell the story in 20 two days so I felt the challenge of being able to do that and being able to make something that really got people that they could watch it and enjoy it you know and I'm glad you saw it I'm glad you liked it um and that's all I want I just want people

to have a nice little ride a fun ride entertainment but yes you have different goals with things I mean the next thing I'm going to tackle is more profound for me it's going to take more out of me this is the resurrection story yeah and I even have to change my entire life to do it how so you can't go into a project as profound in nature as that without somehow preparing yourself for it it's like it's like preparing for a fight you know it's like you have to be fit for the fight and yeah

so you have to spiritually prepare yourself for that and um and that's that's going to take some sacrifice and um because you know oh you know I profess this and I profess that I'm not a great example of Christianity you know I'm just you know I'm flawed and I make a lot of mistakes but I have to try and be better somehow in order to go in and make that film so what does that mean I think I know what it means you know well one of the things that I thought was uh fascinating was

reading uh and listening to Jim cavel talk about his experience Christ in your film yeah that it just truly changed that guy's the course of his whole life well it was fascinating to watch him work actually and most of the time I just like backed away because he was doing something that and I've seen a lot of people portray Jesus in films right and I never buy it you can't quite buy it something Creeps in the color that's not something something's right or discordant it and some of them are pretty good but you never quite

believe it all the way what was the Willam defo movie oh uh that was a Scorsese film right what was that um called The Last Temptation that's right that's right which interestingly enough I was in a hotel in the seavoy and I had food poisoning I was near dead from I ate a bad oyster in London and I was dying in a hotel room and I couldn't even leave it was the worst I think it was like salmonella or something and I saw this cord on the side of the bed and I pulled it and

all of a sudden a door opened up and a butler like Jeeves came in he says yes sir and I'm like whoa and I said I'm really sick I said what do you think I should eat might I suggest some warm consum and a cup of tea I said Okay so this Butler took care of me in this hotel but while I was there scores he calls the room and she says come here I want to talk to you so I go in and talk to Martin and he's in his room and all the windows

the screens are drawn he's got 18 different TVs going on at the same time in this dark room and he's talking to me about The Last Temptation Of Christ and he wants me to play Jesus and I said whoa I'm not doing it and I I sort of got out of there and then I went back to my room and they changed my room now this is really weird they had changed my room and moved my stuff and they told me they were going to do it but I forgot so I'm using a key to

get into my room and it won't work and the door opens up all of a sudden and it's Keith Richards in his underpants standing there staring through me like like and and there's a girl in a mink coat walking around it mink coat and nothing else walking in the background and and Keith Richard is standing there in his underpants with a spliff and I'm like I I tried to explain that I thought it was my room but it wasn't and you know it was ridiculous I'm 26 years old and he just looks at me like

shuts the door in my face I thought well that was my that was my meeting with Keith Richards he slammed the door in my face I was like it's fantastic you know anyway but what were we talking about Christ he did something I think that nobody else did and I think he pulled it off because I to I totally like believed it I believed it too and it was like what did he do he emptied himself out yeah and he invited something else in and he left it he he just he didn't try anything he

just he emptied himself out and he meditated and he let Christ in and that role seemed to have had a profound effect on him it did as a human being oh absolutely and kind of [ __ ] him up in his career a little bit because people Associated him entirely with that film and then they Associated him with Christianity and then they Associated him with right politics and yeah yeah and then you know he he got sidetracked by a few guys I mean there's some people out there like they get in your ear and it's

like you it's like cashes you know talking to and they get you up to make a speech somewhere and next you know it's like you know people throwing eggs at you and like yeah and you wonder you know should I even be saying this and uh so he stepped on a bunch of landmines but um yeah it did have a profound effect on him but I think he was he he was already mostly there anyway and I noticed that because I when I was trying to cast it I thought who could play this and I

saw the opening shot from Terry Malik's film which was The Thin Red Line MH um and uh and it was just a big closeup of cisel and there was something otherworldly and childlike going on there in the closeup and I thought who's that guy he's amazing of course you couldn't keep the blue eyes you had to you had to trade him out so I changed the color of his eyes to Brown and and all that stuff so it looked like he came from the region right but uh um amazing what he already had a quality

an ethereal kind of otherworldliness space cadet quality yeah that and he's he's still kind of like that he's still like wow yeah he's I I want I wish I had met him or I haven't met him still but I wish i' had seen him before and then after you to see like what did that role change him because it seemed to have strengthened his faith sure it did yeah yeah he got he got in real tight with it and I think he had some experiences while he was doing it he suffered a little you know

and uh didn't he get struck by lightning well there's two times there was these lightning strikes happening on the set you know and there was this guy with him he was a young fellow one of the assistants on on the film his name was uh Jan and old Jan was like uh he's like 6 foot two Italian Northern Italian guy you know if he tripped in the street women would slide under him you know it was that kind of stuff the guy was like a babe magnet right and um and I think he was taking

full advantage of the gifts he had but he got hit by lightning the first time getting people I we were out on the hill and there was a lightning storm like with the crosses and stuff oh Jesus and uh and the the this guy called jeppo he was a grip and he never spoke a word to me the whole time he's just a quiet kind of guy and I figured oh he doesn't know English so you know but he came up to me and in perfect English he said you know I think you should get

all the people off the hill we could be struck by lightning and I thought oh that's a good idea let's get off the hill so we're moving off the hill everybody's getting off and this kid gets hit through the umbrella this Yan guy he gets Zapped by lightning right but he's 22 and he goes the Disco all night and D you know he's doing the whole you know 22 experience and he he comes back the next day and he's like yeah it was great and then he was with Jim the second time it happened but

this time I found him in a Fiat Bambino with his knees up around his ears like waiting for the third strike he was like this this just doesn't happen twice in the third strike and he says I have to change my life like so it was pretty fun that movie must have had a profound effect on a lot of people right cuz you were you were doing something that wasn't just a film it was yeah ver kind of yeah and it was strengthening people's faith that film was a I mean profound success and a lot

of people dismissed the idea of it even yes you know especially in Hollywood I mean you had to self fund all that right yes it was self-funded and uh and it was a a very strange experience that one cuz I and I put the money in I thought well maybe I'll break even and it was uh then I got these messages back all the majors wouldn't distribute it so I was like nobody will distribute it okay I guess i' I've lost you know the money but it was worth the experience and um so um one

guy was left in the room at the end when the when the dust settled it was some guy he said I I'll distribute and he he had a little company called New Market and they distributed like one or two films before and uh I think it was a Charlie Theron movie called a monster about that horrible serial kill and and uh he said I'll do it and you know it was just really Basics I went and I met the exhibitors and you know and this guy was like the distributor this little company it was just

him and a a toothless dog and a fax and an assistant and it was like okay what's all the smoking mirrors about this with between the distribution and exhibition I met I made handshake deals with all the exhibitors yeah we'll show this I said okay and then we put it out there and it went out nobody expected it to do much but it did phenomenally well and um and there was this kind of thing in town in the town they said did anyone just see that anyone just see what that guy did can't let that

guy do that again and yeah we don't want anyone doing that you know because it sort of walked around the entire system yes and scored right so there was two things there was resistance to the Christianity aspect of it and promotion of Christianity and then there was resistance to the fact that you went outside the system it was outside well I had no alternative right because no major would back it because of the Christianity aspect of it I guess yeah well rubert Murdoch said you know he wanted to and then he said and then somebody

advised him and said he'd be out of business in five years ruer Murdoch wow in 5 years if he distributed that if he yeah and I was like wow if he's scared what I'm like I'm got to I'm going to crash and burn here but it actually did all right it did phenomenal yeah and then um again I tried to uh then I went I went with a studio on Apocalypto but man that didn't work out so well it didn't no in what way well it was interesting the the film was a film with it

had no stars it was in another language and it came out on a weekend with another film that had Leo Leo in it and another film that had Cameron Diaz in it and um so those three films came out on the same weekend and the one with no stars and without the language won the weekend monetarily it won the box office by a narrow margin on the other two and uh the second week out uh Disney pulled the screens really yeah so I thought oh that's funny well screens are gone I guess there's another agenda

because that was another self-funded one did they pull the screens because they had movies that they had already made deals with I think so but you know it's just it's just politics and you know and I think perhaps the distribution deal on that wasn't as good as right something else or you know so it's you know it's all business it's a phenomenal movie though it's a great film yeah and it did better afterwards in DVD and streaming and all that yeah it did well yeah yeah I watched it again like two years ago yeah I

hadn't seen it in a while and I watched it again and I had forgot a bunch of aspects of it like God damn it's a good movie it's just Primal yes and I think I love primitive stuff you know and Primal emotions I mean basically it's a guy just trying to get back home to save his wife and kid and and he's got a lot of obstacles in the away like Jaguars and bad guys chasing him and trying to skin him and trying to rip his heart out it's pretty cool yeah it's pretty cool and

I sat in a room with my assistant he said what do you want to do next Chase movie I said he said well so we found out where the Mayan canoes and Columbus and all that and then we just started making the story up in the room and we wrote it wow and yeah some assistant man he actually wrote he actually tapped it out crazy so when you're making this resurrection movie now um you you also have this obligation there's this you're doing a very similar thing that you were doing with The Passion of the

Christ where this is this is a profound story yes when you put something like that together how do you choose who's going to be the next Jesus you use him again cavel yeah I know it's 20 years later it's 20 years later but it's yeah but it's the right guy yeah but it's it's supposed to be three days later but he got 20 years older and I think um I have to use a few techniques that they've starting to get really good with the CGI and yeah oh they can do amazing things now you can

actually yeah get some of the same people and by the time you film it it'll be even better yeah when are you going to start filming I'm hoping uh next year sometime it's there's a lot required because it is I'll just tell you this it's an acid trip when we wrote it it is like I've never read anything like it and my brother and I and Randall uh all sort of congregated on this so there's some good heads put together but there's some crazy stuff um and I think in order to really tell the story

properly you have to start with the fall of the Angels right yeah which is you're in another place you're in another realm you know you need to go to hell you need to go to sh so you're going to have hell you're going to have Satan all that yeah whoa sure you got to yeah right you got to have his origin how do you repres how do you depict that this is a good question and I think um I have ideas about how to do that and ideas about how to evoke things and emotions in

people from the way you depict it and the way you shoot it so I've been thinking about it for a long time so it's uh it's it's not going to be easy and it's going to require a lot of planning and um and I'm not wholly sure I can pull it off to tell you the truth it's really super ambitious but I'll take a crack at it cuz that's what you got to do right walk up to the plate right right so I I think I can get it but it's not about me you know

right about something else well if anybody can do it you can do it well I hope so it's it's a um it's trying to find the way in that's not like cheesy or obvious but that actually it's almost like a magic trick in a sense it's diversion it's confiscate this show that look over here you know I yeah it's um do you have a title uh yeah it's just like the resurrection of the Christ yeah it's like uh so that's a title and yeah it's uh it's very ambitious that's all I'll say it just it

took a long time to write it's really ambitious and it goes from like the fall of the angels to the death of the last apostle do you have a start date I don't have a start date I just have to begin pre-production and see what happens um and it's it's just going to roll in its own time it's taking its own time I thought it was late I thought taking too long it's taking too long but it's probably just right yeah it's when it's supposed to be yeah well if you believe that that's true yeah

yeah I don't know I hope you're right I think I'm right my instincts are that I'm right yeah yeah and if I was going to trust anybody with that story it would be you yeah I don't know it's a a massive thing and theologically it's it's something that you have to really look at and make correlations that that ring true because it's not all written do you consult with someone like a Biblical scholar oh yeah oh my goodness yeah yeah yeah and of course you know there's your own thing that comes into it from having

read the the book a few times you read the book a few times and um it's amazing how your memory how there's these recessive files somewhere in the background how you can correlate this piece to that piece over there and that's important because jux the position is everything with this story and um what it means in a bigger picture yeahh so it's it's hard to explain but it's it's it's quite involved yeah I can only imagine yeah and I don't know that you can do it in a foreign language because the concepts are too difficult

now so that you may have to um resort to the vernacular so that that at least is clear is that up for debate right now with you yeah it is I'm thinking like but like look have you seen these apps now where they have this AI stuff where the guy talking German and then he switches to French and then he Spanish and then Chinese and have you seen that and his mouth moves and it's the same voice I mean it's crazy what they do so so are you going to use that kind of a tool

do you think you could will you begin it in Aramaic or in Hebrew maybe yeah arama is is really the kick isn't it but you know I think uh I think I'll write I've written it in English but I wrote the last one in English too and and translated it um but and then the people had to learn to speak it because there was I think there's only about 400 people that actually speak Aramaic still wow and apparently they understood it so I was happy about that wow so that was good yeah 400,000 people sorry

oh in the world that makes more sense yeah yeah sorry 400 people yeah i' like preserve those 400 people yeah not many people speaking Latin still but but that's quite well known well I can't wait to see it man um and uh I just want to say I I appreciate you very much all all the stuff that you've done you've made some really awesome pieces in your life you really have thank you yeah yeah great stuff yeah yeah I'm I I'm Blown Away by where you got to with this which is like didn't you start

off just smoking a spliff on a couch couch with a guy and yeah okay yeah it's amazing yeah it's pretty bizarre yeah I'm not exactly sure how it happened no that's good I just kind of kept doing it yeah okay yeah yeah I'm a fan thank you I watch it all the time thank you there was no plan to it I'll tell you that no there still kind of isn't I still kind of do it the same way yeah okay every day you wake up yeah I just look at my phone I go online I

say who do I want to talk to yeah this guy might be interesting yeah you know okay that's really next Who's Next you get some pretty interesting people yeah yeah I was amazed at that uh I can't remember his name now Terren what he was all into Terence Howard yeah yeah the actor yeah yeah bril guy had a bunch of stuff going on I was like whoa yeah oh he's out there yeah yeah he's out there but I mean you have to be to be one of those guys you do well listen brother thank you

very much for everything appreciate you coming in here yeah thanks thank you thank you thank you your new movie is great and uh all your stuff's great I'm I'm a big fan so yeah tickets on sale today yeah when does he come out oh God on the 25th 24th 25th yeah 24th I think okay so soon yeah it's fun it is fun yeah I enjoyed it yep all right thank you very much thank Jo bye everybody [Applause] [Music]