How To Crush The Limitations Of Your Mind - Dr Joe Dispenza (4K)

imagine if we had to do the podcast like this I was going to say just with an arm is that you over there just an arm in the way of us is that you Chris how do you describe what you do um I think we uh teach people the neuroscience and the biology of change and the principle is just really simple um if you change your life changes and nothing changes in our life until we change so one of the things that people come up against is it why is it so hard to change so

we've kind of come down through a lot of research uh a simple formula to help people to make Transformations first in themselves and then and then their lives and so we give people knowledge and information and we use science as that language that to to meet information and we combine uh quantum physics with neuroscience and neuroendocrinology and psychon neuroimmunology and epigenetics and electromagnetism and help people understand information that's philosophical that's theoretical and when you learn information you make new Connections in your brain that's what learning is uh but if you don't review it and if

you don't repeat it you don't think about it those circuits prune apart within hours or days so we run these courses these events that are typically seven days where it's fully immersing yourself in in this process of transformation give people the information it's philosophical it's theoretical have them understand it they have to be present with it but now turn to someone and teach it back to them what you've learned nerve cells that fire together wire together so then in time you begin to install the neurological Hardware in your brain in preparation for the experience and

the more you understand what you're doing the more you understand why you're doing it the how gets easier because you can assign meaning to the task and get a greater outcome if you can't explain it it's not wired in your brain right so it's so much easier to forget the information than to remember it and it just takes repetition and attention um to get the circuitry in place and once you understand the what and the why we set up the conditions in the environment to give people the proper instruction and when you apply it when

you personalize it when you demonstrate it when you initiate that knowledge and you get your behaviors to match your intentions and you get your actions equal to your thoughts you get your mind and body working together you have an experience now experience really enriches circuitry in the brain and when those neurons organize into networks even further the brain makes a chemical and that's called a feeling or an emotion so now when you feel abundant when you feel successful you feel unlimited you feel whole um the experience is teaching the body chemically to understand what the

mind is intellectually understood so now the information is not in the brain anymore the information is now in the body and the person is embodying the truth of that philosophy right and somehow there's biological changes that take place as a result of it the question is okay if you've done it once you should be able to repeat the experience and so if people go through a 7-Day immersion and they keep repeating the experience they begin to neurochemically condition their mind and body to begin to work together and when you've done something so many times that

your body now knows how to do it better than your conscious mind now it's inate in you you've become the knowledge it's a subconscious program it's it's who you are so we teach people to go from that kind of philosophical theoretical um knowledge to the application uh to initiate it to to ultimately get wise about why they're doing and and so we study the neuroscience and biology and we work with uh University of California San Diego and we publish papers and we do extensive research really to demystify the process why is it so hard to

make genuine change happen in our lives people want to change want to do different things why is it so hard um um I think the biggest uh difficulty in change is is making a different choice now think about the New Year's resolutions everybody's very clear about what their intention is what they want what whatever that is but if you keep making the same choices you're going to keep doing the same things you're going to keep creating the same experiences you're going to keep feeling the same emotions and your biology and your neuros circuitry your neurochemistry

and your hormones and even your Gene Expressions going to stay the same because you're the same but keep thinking the same way and keep acting the same way keep feeling the same way and do it over and over again those circuits in the brain ultimately become hardwired And the emotions that are a response to someone or something even your own thoughts get conditioned subconsciously as a program into the body so 95% of Who We Are by the middle of our life is an unconscious set of thoughts behaviors and emotions that are automatically programmed into our

biology so so the first step to change is not thinking positively you got to become conscious of those unconscious thoughts when you decide to make a different choice and it doesn't feel familiar the thought that says start tomorrow it's too hard just do it anyway you know go ahead make that choice do the same thing you're not good enough you'll never change you're too much like your parents you know I failed last time um you have to be able to become so conscious of those unconscious thoughts that you would never go unconscious to that thought

ever again and that's change you'd have to catch yourself how you speak and how you act if you if you want to be happy and you're blaming and you're complaining and you're feeling sorry for yourself and and and you're judging everyone um those behaviors are not going to make you happy they're actually going to make you unhappy so you got to become so conscious of those unconscious habituations that you wouldn't go unconscious and behave that way and then of course you got to look at those emotions that are pretty much chemical residue from the past

um and decide does this lack does this suffering does this pain belong in my future and uh that process of becoming so conscious that we don't go unconscious is the process of change and how many times do we have to forget until we stop forgetting and start remembering that's the moment of change so the hard part about change is when you decide to make a different Choice get ready it's going to feel uncomfortable there's going to be uncertainty you're not going to be able to predict the next moment it's going to feel unfamiliar so if

the body has been conditioned to be the mind then the servant is the master so the body starts sending information back to the brain to think a certain thought so that you make the same choice that you do the same thing you create comfortable this is familiar get back to the same feeling of suffering oh that feels so much better than the uncertainty of the unknown uh so so going from the old self to the new self and Crossing that River literally is a neurological it's a biological it's a chemical it's a hormonal it's a

genetic death of the old self that's the Phoenix lighting itself on fire and and most people would rather cling uh to that familiar place than than take a chance and possibility that that void that vacuum actually is the perfect place to create and we discovered this that that the brain changes the most when you get to that point where you think you can't go any further and you want to quit if you go past that point that is the unknown now the unknown has always been wired in our biology that the uncertainty of the unknown

is always a scary place is that a tiger in the bushes or is that just a shadow you know so so the unknown becomes a very scary place when we're living in survival so uh most people never take that chance and possibility but if a person's actually taught how to execute in the unknown and there's nothing scary there and they can apply the same principle and say what thoughts do I want to fire and wire in my brain um and a belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again so what is

the voice in my head that I want to program my brain into thinking and believing what behaviors am I going to demonstrate in my life if I'm going to not behave this way around this person or around the circumstance and I want to behave a different way let me rehearse in my mind close my eyes and get really clear on how I'm going to respond or behave in this circumstance and the act of mental rehearsal literally grows circuits in the brain now your brain's looking like you've already done it uh your your your brain is

no longer a record of the past it's being it's being conditioned and mapped into the future so now you have the circuitry in place so if you keep practicing that the hardware becomes more automatic it becomes more of a software program and you start behaving that way and then the biggest challenge then is okay if I'm not going to feel suffering and I'm not going to feel pain uh and I'm not going to feel judgment but I want to feel grateful for my life can I teach my body emotionally what my future will feel like

before it happens so once you start conditioning your body to an elev El at emotion we tend to see that the heart centered emotions tend to be the ones that produce the most dramatic changes in our biology and the body is so objective it really doesn't know the difference between the real life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that you're creating by thought Alone um then the body starts getting lifted uh in a lot of ways so keep thinking differently keep acting differently keep feeling differently uh that's your personality then your personal reality

be begins to change and in and and people who cross that River uh there's new opportunities there's new experiences um there's new events that take place in their life so that's what we teach so is the issue that people when they want change they don't change deeply enough they're just looking at well if I do this particular new physical habit that will be able to change things but the underlying currents that are driving that behavior are always going to come in and then take over despite the fact that you don't know eat sugar more or

you want to be more polite with your partner or you want to be more it's to surface level with a lot of the change that tries to be attempted yeah I think uh I think that people um unfortunately uh have to get knocked to our lowest level sometimes you know um where you're no longer inside the jar when you're inside the jar you can't read the label you you got to get so uncomfortable that you could actually see yourself right and so that tragedy that that that crisis that disease the diagnosis the loss it's got

to be so severe that you finally look at yourself and say maybe it's me oh my God could it possibly be me but you're looking at yourself kind of Through The Eyes of someone else because you don't feel like you in that moment you're someone comfortable that you can see yourself that that concept is called metacognition right so so a lot of times people wait for that crisis or the diagnosis or the Betrayal to go oh my God I I I got to really change cuz I'm really unhappy or I can't blame that person or

my past or my circumstance because I nothing's working here I I got to really start making those changes so so when they see themselves separate from their program they're becoming conscious of their unconscious self um that is the first step to change now I say you can learn and change in a state of pain and suffering which most people like to do or you can learn and change in a state of joy and inspiration right so could you be defined by the VIS a vision of the future and could you get up from your your

morning practice actually believing in your future more than you're believing in your past so from that elevated state where you combine a clear intention with an elevated emotion from an elevated State instead of a self-limiting state you can be conscious of that old self as well and so I think I think God what a great time in history to be alive because this is a time in history where it's not enough to know this is really a time in history to know how and I I've been at this long enough Chris to know that 20

years ago people didn't hear it like they hear it now the information is readily available and people are realizing God if I if I have this dream if I have this goal how bad do I want it and if they really want it um and we've all done this you sit down and you say what would it be like to be super healthy super wealthy super in love super mystical you know transcendental whatever it is like you ask that question question and your brain get gets really creative it starts combining circuits in new ways and

you start getting this vision of the future this possibility that you actually put yourself in this future reality it becomes so real that you start to feel the emotion as if you were actually there and so that moment when you come out of your resting state the stronger the emotion you feel when you hold that Vision the more you'll remember that Vision that's that's creating a memory so the person comes out of a resting state and they make a decision with such firm intention that the amplitude of that decision carries a level of energy that

causes their body to respond to their mind that their choice that they're making in that moment becomes a moment in time that they would never forget they'll say to you I remember the moment I made up my mind to change I was in this place I was with these people I was this is this particular time that that the event is a long-term memory and they've come out of the resting state and we could say then they're giving their body a taste of the future emotionally and somehow they begin to embody whatever that future is

and now they begin to move in a different direction and so they start trusting in their future more because they feel like they're connected to it so then the person who's really interested in making a change would have to come to that same state again in order to produce the same effect if they say I don't feel like it or I'm I want to be nicer or whatever and it's there's nothing really at stake you know intention is really meaning you got to have you got to have a meaning behind what you're doing so people

who who now say I want a better life I can't have a better life unless I change uh and when I change my life will change now you're not so interested in what's happening out there you're more interested in what's going on inside of you to go from any state that we're in now to a new state that transformation process requires stepping from known to unknown yeah how can people get more comfortable with stepping into the unknown and why is it such a scary place ah let's see if I can explain this on two levels

um the brain is a record of the past uh the brain is a reflection of everything in your environment that's known to you it's an artifact it's a repository of everything you've learned and experienced in your life it's a memory bank and so people wake up in the morning and every person every object every thing every place every experience that they've had in their life is mapped neurologically in their brain so they wake up in the morning and the first thing they do is they think about those problems and those problems are memories that are

really tattooed in the recesses of their gry matter and the moment they start remembering the problem they start remembering the past they're they're thinking in the past every one of those experiences or problems has an emotion Associated to them so the moment they think of the past and they start feeling unhappy or anxious now they're bodies in the past thoughts are the language of the brain feelings are the language of the body thought and feeling an image and emotion a stimulus and response and you're conditioning the body emotionally into the familiar past and the body

is so objective as I said doesn't know the difference between the real life experience and the one that you're Imagining the body's actually believing it's living in the environment where that problem is actually existing in the present moment so that becomes the familiar past and we call that the known then people get up and then they rush through a series of automatic routine behaviors they're on automatic pilot because they do the same thing today as they did yesterday and habit is a redundant set of automatic unconscious thoughts behaviors and emotions that's acquired through repetition so

now the person is in habituation a program and their body's dragging them into the same predictable future future based on what they did in their past in other words we could take up their yesterday and set it on their tomorrow and there's going to be a lot of predictability so if you can predict something then that's the known too so the familiar past is the known the predictable future is the known there's only one place left where the unknown exists and that's the sweet spot of the generous present moment and so we teach people how

to master the moment how to master their attention and where you place your attention is where you your energy and and paying attention is being present and you know when someone's paying attention to you because uh they're present with you and you know when they're present with you because they're paying attention to you well it's the exact same thing so you're sitting with your eyes closed and you start thinking how long is this going to go um I got a lot of things to do God I got to think about that place I got to

go to and meet that person I got another meeting over there and now your brain is actually defaulting and going to that predictable future we discovered that your you're not a bad meditator actually at all this is actually how you do meditate you become conscious that you've gone unconscious in your predictable future and you return your attention back to the present moment that's a victory okay so then your body says hey it's been um about an hour you usually get pretty judgmental around this time you get in traffic you get really angry and you're sitting

in a meditation and all of a sudden you start feeling aroused and impatient and frustrated and people most people think oh well that means I can't meditate well actually your body's used to being stimulated from something outside of itself you settle the body back down into the present moment and you tell it it's no longer the mind you're the Mind do this enough times and train the body to be in the present moment to be in the unknown they come a moment where the body is no longer the mind the servant's no longer the ma

Master you're the mind and when that occurs there's this tremendous liberation of energy that takes place in the body the body's going from particle to wave it's going from matter to energy the body is being freed from the chains of the past or the predicable future and we discover energy actually kind of moves right into a person's heart and they start feeling really grateful to be in the present moment instead of being in the unknown and and trying to predict the next moment so it's a practice and if you practice it on a regular basis

we discovered you can get really good at being in the unknown and going against thousands of years of programming that says the unknown is a dangerous and a scary place there's better chances of survival if you run from the unknown then you embrace it so you put the person they keep relaxing into the unknown and sooner or later they realize nothing bad is happening in the unknown and they just start relaxing and expanding and there's a just a host of biological changes that begin to take place so I think I think you can make that

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slod wisdom for a free sample pack of all eight flavors with your first box that's drink LM nt.com slod wisdom how do people become addicted to their own thoughts it seems like there is this degree of familiarity with what we're used to here but there would be a question if these thoughts are negative if they're negative emotions if they're tormenting me if they're making me feel bad why would I continue to just be my own torturer yeah 24 hours a day well an addiction is something that you think you can't stop an addiction is when

you know something is not good for you and you tend to choose and do it anyway right so turns out that living in stress is living in survival and when you perceive a threat or a danger or you perceive something that's potentially going to get worse in your life or um you can't control or predict something in your life you switch on that primitive nervous system called the fight ORF flight nervous system and it's secreting a lot of chemicals to get you awake it's getting you ready it's it's wanting you to perform and but if

it gets there's too much uh the rush of that adrenaline is uh is is like a a surge of energy it's an arousal and people get addicted to that Rush of energy so they use the problems they use the conditions the stories of the past in their life to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion so so they need the bad job they need the bad relationship they need the challenging conditions in their life could it make it makes feel something right so okay so when you're living in stress stress is when your brain and body

you're knocked out of homeostasis stress is when your brain body you're knocked out of balance so the moment you react to someone or something in your life and you switch on that system of arousal and it's an emergency system your body moves completely out of balance it's mobilizing all of its energy for some threat real or imagined okay the problem with human beings is for zebra or for a gazelle when if it outruns the lion it goes back to grazing the event is over and the stress is short term but if it's a constant exposure

to stressors in your life what becomes once was maladaptive adaptive becomes very maladaptive because when you turn on that stress response and you can turn it off now you're headed for disease because your body's constantly out of homeostasis imbalance so okay so the event is over and someone betrayed you or you lost your job or you got fired and you can't stop thinking about it so every time you think about that problem you're turning on the stress response just by thought alone so if the hormones of stress are addictive and you can turn on the

stress response just by thought alone you could become addicted to your own thoughts and if you and if you have to keep talking about those problems to get the rush of adrenaline your thoughts can knock you out of balance as well and it's a scientific fact that the long-term effects of the hormones of stress push the genetic buttons that create disease which means your thoughts could literally make you sick so then if your thoughts can make you sick the the fundamental question is can your thoughts make you well and that's what we're you know interested

in uncovering talk to me about stepping into that Loop that indictive Loop of the negative thoughts um yes so every time you have a thought you make a chemical and if you have a a happy thought or think of something happy you turn on a set of neurological networks in your brain that fire in a sequence a pattern a combination that signals another part of the brain the brain makes another chemical that's a a chemical messenger that makes you feel a certain way as you secrete a certain hormone okay the moment you start to feel

happy the moment you start to feel joyful your your brain is checking in with your body saying Chris you're feeling pretty joyful and so then the chemistry influences you to think more wonderful thoughts and so the cycle of thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking creates what we call a state of being okay but you could have thoughts that make you feel guilty and you can turn on a different set of circuits in your brain that signal a different batch of neuropeptides that signal a different hormonal Center to make you feel differently the moment you

feel miserable the moment you feel victimized the moment you feel suffering the more the moment you feel pain and you can't think greater than how you feel the brain's checking with the body and saying you're really miserable and it generates more corresponding thoughts equal to that feeling so it's thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking this Loop of thinking and feeling and feeling and thinking creates a state of being and again the thought and the feeling the image and the emotion the stimulus and response is making the body become conditioned subconsciously into the past and

so now the person has to feel that same motion to re affirm their identity so that becomes their state of being and now they behave as if they're in their past and they think as if they're in their past what ways do our memories lie to us wow um well everybody has a story right and and the way we make memories is from emotions so so if you have an event in your life that's highly traumatic just as an example the moment you perceive that event in your life through your senses the the chemical information

that's coming back as information to your body is telling you to be altered so once you begin to change your internal State the greater the change in your internal state from its normal continuity the more the brain freezes a frame and takes a snapshot and that's called the long-term memory so then the person thinks neurologically within the circuitry of that experience and they feel within the boundaries of the emotions of that experience every time they review the event in their mind they're producing the same chemistry in their brain and body as if the event was

occurring so again the body's reliving the trauma 50 to 100 times in the day and now the the trauma is no longer in the brain the trauma is emotionally conditioned in the body right so if you say to the person why are you so bitter uh why are you so sad why are you so unhappy they'll say I am this way because of this event that happened to me 10 years ago which what they're really saying is after that event I changed and I have not been able to change since this event well the research

on memory says that if you ask that person that story of the actual account 50% of that story is no longer the truth in other words they're embellishing the story so they can excuse themselves they're making it worse they're making the conditions worse they're telling the story and they're embellishing it to some degree to excuse themselves from changing right so if 50% of that story isn't even the truth they're reliving a miserable life they never even had alter reaffirm their addiction to that emotional state so so here here's the crazy part because we work with

we work with uh veterans and and and Navy Seals and and uh can you then forget about the memory and just overcome the emotion because the memory without the emotional charge is called wisdom and now you no longer belong to the Past you're ready to create a new future and so the stories we tell about our past are only stories we tell when we feel those emotions we would never tell that story when we feel a different emotion why because because a person's telling the feeling that emotion and that emotion is the record of the

memory chemically so they they're telling the story because they can't think greater than that feeling feelings have become the means of thinking but what if you told a different story and that's exactly what we teach people to do stop Romancing your past start Romancing your future stop telling the story of your past start telling the story of your future stop believing in your past start believing in a new future and and that process is an unlearning and a relearning process it's literally breaking the habit of being yourself and Reinventing a new self it's it's pruning

synaptic connections it's sprouting new connections it's unfired it's unwiring it's reiring it's rewiring it's deprogramming it's reprogramming it's losing your mind and creating a new one it's immersive experience when we do our weeklong events is we take the person right to that point of that emotion where they say uh um I got to go uh this is too uncomfortable and we we don't want them to White Knuckle it there we give them something to do and if they practice that formula and they keep lowering the volume to that emotion sooner or later the body becomes

liberated they're stepping out into the unknown and we've seen people who have had the most brutal the most horrific the most difficult path um uh look back at their past and say I would I would never want to change one thing in my past because it got me to this moment and that's the moment the past no longer exists they look at their betrayers they look at their abusers and they see the they see the purposeful good and the meaning behind all of that that had to happen because it would have never brought them to

this moment and I I think that's the moment the past no longer exists what is one of your favorite stories of somebody who's been locked into one of these Loops for a little while um gosh there's there's so many of them um we just had a a woman on the stage uh uh in Dallas and um I watched this woman come to the event months before was this event in Dallas was an advanced followup but she had done the week-long 7-Day Retreat and uh she was in Dallas and she was sitting um uh sorry she

was in Denver and she was sitting in the in the front away from the the audience under a screen you know under the the screens and she was in a a lounge and she had a wheelchair and she had a scooter uh and she had oxygen and she had crutches uh and she was kind of camped out in that area there and um she had about five different uh serious health conditions and and um at the end of uh of course she couldn't uh get up uh get out of get off the couch if she

went to the bathroom uh uh she was done for the day in terms of her amount of energy she had she was living on six Foods uh she was on all kinds of medications lot of and and couldn't think greater than how she felt right so if you see a person like that you think there's really not a whole lot of hope uh for this person and yet um she began to learn the information and began to practice the information uh for the entire week um and at the end of the uh 7-Day event we

were doing a walking meditation as a group outside and um uh I saw her out of her wheelchair smiling and walking and and they sent me her testimony um and I read the whole thing and then when she was in Dallas um she came to the advanced followup and they brought her backstage to to uh tell me the story and and she told me the story and it wasn't until she got on the stage that I realized that that was the woman that was in Denver because she did not look like the same person she

she looked like a completely a completely different person she has none of those health conditions any longer um she's doing all the things that she was doing before she had them and and she she broke out you know she had her moment uh and when she changed um her biology changed to a lot of people that sounds Fantastical it's it it sounds almost unbelievable and I know it is unbelievable it really is unbelievable I mean I have difficulty believing some of the things in terms of the testimon testimonials and Transformations we've witnessed I mean I

I I have watched certain testimonials of people giving their accounts of all kinds of crazy changes in their health conditions like uh like muscular distrophy like I mean I've never seen a case of that reversed I I I know that it's a degenerative condition and yet um this guy left the event walking and and he was in a wheelchair when he came and I watched that testimonial I must have watched it a 100 times I watched it 100 times cuz I couldn't believe it I could not believe that this guy was standing and and I

could not I could not stop looking at the Joy on his face and the excitement and the enthusiasm he had for life it was so real and so authentic I couldn't I couldn't believe it and so it's it's it's difficult to believe this I have difficulty believing it uh in in a lot of a lot of times but there's nothing like a good story because that person who's standing on the stage who's telling their story is a 4-minute mile they're breaking through some level of Consciousness or unconsciousness and they're the example of truth they're examples

of the truth the collective and the collective who's listening to the story of transformation and they're seeing that the person's doesn't look vegan and doesn't look ketogenic and doesn't look young and buffed but looks like a normal person uh and that person is seeing and they they came blind or they're hearing because they were death or they had stage four cancer and they don't have it invariably someone in the audience is going to look at them and say God they're no different than me if they can do it I can do it and that that

that now is information for the collective to believe in a greater level of possibility and I and I think that that that's exactly how it becomes infectious and health and wellness become as as infectious as disease we see this at events all the time so yes it it is unbelievable and I have to catch myself you tell me pick one and I think oh what half of these ones I would tell you most people wouldn't believe CU they're unbelievable but we have a lot of those well you have a huge research team that's been collecting

I think I heard 500 billion pieces of data in one form or another given the fact that these outcomes that you're talking about are so unbelievable are you having to work additionally hard be additionally rigorous when it comes to the science in order to dispel any accusations of the pseudo science stuff um gosh what a great conversation thanks for asking the question um the whole reason that I started measuring and we've been measuring for a long time now um was because when I saw someone with Ms in a wheelchair come to the event in a

wheelchair and walk out without one I said we got to start measuring I mean what is happening in that person's brain what is happening in their body what's happening in their biology what's happening on a cellular level what's is their information in their blood what's happening to their immune system and we we started you know Gathering you know um a lot of data I mean we have way over 500 billion data points that's usually just one or two studies and and so when we started partnering with the University of California San Diego I simply said

to those scientists okay same thoughts same choices same behaviors same experiences same emotions that's the known same biology sounds right new thoughts new choices new behaviors experiences new emotions new biology possibly that's a good hypothesis you will to measure it so we've measured so many things in the human body that says that you can change your brain to work way better in four days you can make your heart way better you can express new genes uh you could release thousands of metabolites thousands and thousands of metabolites in 7 days that promote growth in repair in

your body um we find information in meditator blood that has a resistance to viruses all kinds of viruses even ones with spikes um that the information Advanced meditators blood somehow diminishes mitochondrial function in cancer cells that's the that's the energy in the cell not a little bit but 70% which is dramatic and if cancer cells love to multiply and move and they have no energy um they don't live as long uh there's information in the blood of advanced meditators uh that somehow downregulates the gene for Alzheimer's uh we're finding uh robust amounts of endogenous opiates

that reduce pain across the board we measured 60 three different Health uh conditions 63 different diseases um all different diseases one intervention and uh uh the majority of those people have a significant reduction in pain and a very elevated level of endogenous opiates in their in their bloodstream you know natural uh pain relievers natural chemicals that make you feel good um uh and and um so we just we've explored the microbiome we've see that you can change your microbiome in seven days to look like a way healthier person without taking a probiotic without changing your

diet without eliminating anything somehow um the the microbiome changes dramatically for the better and the reason is because they're not the same person any longer they're a different person um so we've spent the last four years working with the University of California San Diego in doing extensive research on the brain extensive research uh on heart uh heart measurements um a lot of blood values urine uh um everything we've measure we we measure saliva we measure breast milk we measure tears I mean we've measured uh just about everything yeah and are these published these results are

published yes we have some papers that are published now um we have some papers that are in peer review right now we have about five more papers uh that we're uh getting busy writing but we have we probably have the largest database uh in the world on on meditation right now what are the most common criticisms that you get wow um I would say that you know when you see the Imp iCal science uh a lot of people um that see the data uh whether we show it to reputable universities and and professors or to

NASA or to whoever I think one of the things that people have the most there's the most shock and surprise is that you never see these type of changes in seven days like you drug study you don't ever see these kind of we're talking about uh thousands of genes upregulated to suggest the person's living in a completely different environment a completely different life and they're in a ballroom you know so so when you see the effects change like that in seven days anybody who's a scientist that has that uh trained mind they're going to fall

out of their chair because it's the the the metagenomics around arounded is not just one or two people it's the it's the whole entire group so think about it500 2,000 2500 different people all different genotypes everybody has their own Gene sequence okay at the end of 7 Days 77% of those people are signaling the same genes and making the same proteins that's kind of wild that means that the flock the herd the school you know there everybody's evolving there's an emergent Consciousness that's actually everybody's biology is evolving together like and that's and that's exciting because

people change people that's what we discovered so when we show the data to people um and you they see it uh the conversation that we used to have where we'd have to be on the defense has changed dramatically because these are double blind and triple blind Placebo studies these are there very very rigorous studies so so the scientist that sees it questions the time and then you know a drug study is about 25% effective you know and it usually takes um 3 to 6 months before you see the efficacy turn out our data is like

somewhere uh uh between 75 and 100% so it it it shows that that the nervous system is the greatest pharmacist in the world that actually works better than any drug so so when when people really begin to see the science and and and you know they it challenges their belief it challenges I keep telling the scientists I can't believe this is the truth like I'm more surprised than anybody but I also say to them where do those chemicals come from where are they coming from the person's not taking opiates they're not taking anti-carcinogen they're they're

not taking anything uh to change their biology like this is coming from within them um so it's been changing the conversation uh in medicine uh quite a bit and we're just working on finding the language but but but people who see the data um are very surprised and they want to know what we're doing which is which is a different conversation that we've had uh in the past in other news this episode is brought to you by momentus a lot of supplements say that they're top quality but very few can actually prove it and momentus

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studies are you seeing how long the immersive stuff what what sort of effects does this lock in over time are people reverting as soon as they're out of this very energetic group of people what's Happ time yes that's a great question um so um that's one of the things about uh this work that I really really love in terms of our community um it's not like people go oh I got to go meditate today it's the morning it's that's not how our community is like the majority of the people that come to a week-long event

keep doing the work the majority of them do because the Magic in their life is starting to happen and why would you want to stop um from from having those events uh you know actually take place so we see that people who heal this sounds kind of crazy and we've there's we've had a lot of people instantaneously have a reversal in a health condition from one meditation from one inward experience there's an arousal that takes place in their nervous system they move into these heightened states of gamma brain wave patterns uh uh the person is

having an inward experience that's greater than the Betrayal or the trauma from the past and somehow there's a there's an upgrade in their biology like there's the eczema now it's gone um there's the myia gravis now it's gone there's a Parkinson's was there now it's gone there's the cancer now it's gone there's the deafness now the person's hearing now the blindness is the person's seeing it's like that it's like the person comes back and there's an upgrade right what do you think's happening inside of the body what's going on okay so anyway me let me

finish that that thought and then I'll answer because it's important to ask that question those people who have those biological upgrades that are instantaneous um when we measure them three three months down the road 6 months down the road well nine months down the road there's this there's a sustain change they got the upgrade if they continue to do the practice no no no even if they don't do the practice they got they got a very good upgrade now a certain percentage of people that that have an upgrade like that and they go back to

the stressful life the Parkinson's Returns the cancer returns because they're back to the same personality again and they're making their same chemistry now many of those people continue in that that direction other people catch themselves and they said if I changed this Parkinson's once because my father's in the hospital and I'm emotionally reacted I can change it again and they actually change it again right so um so um and then there's people who go through that process of breaking the habit of being themselves and and becoming Reinventing another person and it's a it's a constant

process of change you kind of got a super responder with the first one and done yeah one one connection um one moment uh of connection uh like like a brainstorm uh and those people who cross a river of change they tend to do the work consistently because they want to keep changing they're not doing their meditations to heal they're doing the meditations to change and when they understand when they change they heal so it's the process of change that that are interested in so so we have a good percentage of people who do the work

and after they finish the immersive experience that sustain those changes and we have a lot of people that sustain changes whether they do it or or they don't do it so what's happening in their biology that's a great question um let see if I can answer this um in a methodical way um your senses plug you into three-dimensional reality right so if I took away your sight if I took away your hearing I took away your smell your taste and feel dealing with your body you would have no experience of three-dimensional reality but you would

still be conscious but you would be conscious of nothing material or physical you would just be conscious that you're conscious and you would be conscious of nothing in a sense so when a person is immersed in three-dimensional reality um their neocortex their thinking brain is super busy scanning the environment and associating gnes and and uh it's got to process a lot of information that's coming in through the senses what it's seeing what it's hearing what it's smelling what it's tasting what it's feeling and that a lot a lot of that information is coming in the

brain's job is to create meaning between your inner world and your outer world and if you were to measure a person's brain waves they're pretty much in beta brain wave patterns and that means you're conscious you're awake and you're aware that you're in a body local in space and time you're aware of your environment and your wor of time and that's how we navigate in threedimensional reality and there's neurotransmitters in the brain that report that okay if I said to you um you got to do a speech and it's got to be done uh by

by without any notes you got about 45 minutes prepare um your brain would kind of perk up a little bit and You' it would be kind of a good stress you'd have to perform you're confident you'd have to get ready you'd have to change your state you'd have to think you'd have to all right what do I want to talk about I gotta I got to change my state you would move into mid-range beta light bulb gets a little brighter and you're a little bit more ready uh in a sense but when you react and

you're emotional and you're stressed and you're out of balance you go into this very high beta brain wave pattern and that's three times as high as low-level beta that's when the brain is in first gear on the freeway it is it is you consuming all of its energy and it's sweeping the environment and it's shifting its attention from one person to another person to another problem to another thing to another place it's trying to forecast it's trying to predict and the Brain starts firing very very disin redly it starts it's firing incoherently out of order

and people they need a drug or they need a drink or they need something to take away that kind of state and and their their thoughts are literally driving their brain into higher and higher states of of beta they're they're they addiction to those thoughts are driving the brain out of balance okay so when you're in that state you're very narrow focused you're you're obsessing on things that's what what the brain does it overthinks it over it over analyzes uh so if you can change your brain waves from beta to Alpha now your inner world

starts becoming more real than your outer world and in a sense you're you become more creative your brain stops talking to you in your head you stop analyzing you start seeing in images you start seeing in pictures and Alpha is an imaginary very creative state you're still aware of your outer environment but not so much okay so here's the answer to your question if you can get so relaxed that your body moves into a light state and it's in a light rest and you're conscious and awake now you're in Theta and that's a very hypnotic

State and when you're in a hypnotic State you're in a state of trans and you're very suggestible to information and suggest ability is your ability to accept information to believe the information to surrender to it and and that's what can program a person to do about just about anything right so hypnotist uses when he's when he's making suggestions the person who's in Theta the door between their conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open to information okay so that makes sense uh if you're getting information through your senses and you're in Theta you're in

a hypnotic state but what if the person's eyes are closed what if there's music filling the space they're not eating they're not tasting they're not smelling they're not experiencing they're not feeling and they're in that realm of theta and I ask them instead of the put their all of their attention on everything physical IAL and everything material to open their awareness instead of narrow their focus broaden their focus and put their attention not not on the material but on the inmaterial not on the particle but the wave not on matter but on energy and and

and the atom is 99.9999% information and energy okay so having the person focus on nothing this is the funny part about it and broadening their focus if they can dial down their thinking neocortex the Theta they'll have no experience of their body no experence experience for their environment and no experience of time and they're in Theta they're still suggestible to information but they're not aware of their outer environment but they're still suggestable there's only one other place that information comes from and that's frequency and all frequency radio waves Wi-Fi waves uh x-rays all carry information

so when the person opens their awareness to the wave function to energy and to information they pay more attention to that and less attention to thems more they connect more to that and less to the three-dimensional reality if there's if there's coherence in the brain all of a sudden the person has a moment of connection and the Brain goes into a gamma brain wave state and Gamma now is an arousal it's superconsciousness but it's not coming from Fear it's not coming from aggression or anger it's not coming from Pain the arousal is ecstasy a person

is making connection and and when we measure the amount of gamma that taking place in the person's brain 3% uh 2% to 3% of the population in anything that we're measuring really good is three standard deviations outside of normal uh these people are 200 300 400 500 standard deviations outside of normal and three is really great is this on an fmri this is a quantitative EG and we see the same pattern the limic brain the seed of the autonomic nervous system is functioning in a very very coherent highly organized very very fast frequency of gamma

now remember stress is autonomic disregulation right disregulation in the autonomic nervous system moving out of balance these high states of gamma is autonomic regulation now the autonomic nervous system controls and coordinates every system in the body and if it's if it's processing an energy in a frequency that fast every single cell in the body is getting the information and the body's literally raised in energy and raised in frequency and that's when you see the instantaneous uh upgrade that goes on biologically in a person's body and we actually now can predict it when we see a

person move into a certain level of theta we can say oh boy this is going to be really good like really good and that person um is having a very very powerful internal experience what is the felt sense that somebody will tend to go through during that process what's the what's the embodied subjective experience of going through this so we have a we have a a scientist that um studies the language of transformation uh from the University of Central Oklahoma a super great guy and he's been studying the language of transformation and all the testimonials

of all the many of the people who have had these moments and um the subjective experience is twofold um it's very um somatic when I mean somatic I mean like they say uh like every single cell in my body uh was vibrating at a faster frequency I felt that incredible my heart felt like it was going to blow open um I felt like I was filled with light they'll give you like something very somatic like oh my God I was I felt this in my body and then it's also very emotional that's the other part

but it's not like emotional like I've never felt love I thought I understood love I thought I have felt love I've never felt love like this I felt so connected I felt so whole I felt so pure um I I felt it was the most familiar unfamiliar feeling I've ever had oh my God I forgot uh I forgot that I was that it was within me whatever um and then and then the other element is after that they they have a language where they only can use metaphor to describe the unknown experience they'll say um

yeah my heart turned on like an engine the top of my head blew off there was lightning coming out of my fingertips they're they they're trying to explain but they'll say well it wasn't lightning really it just felt like this but it was more like this so um so the the language uh specialist that has been studying this had his own moment uh at uh an event we did in Marco Island uh last September where he connected and um I sat down with him and talked to him and he could not find the language the

language guy the language guy could not find the language to explain what the heck happened to him but he was totally switched on so so there's there's an arousal that takes place uh there's High gamma brain wave patterns it's autonomic regulation it's very somatic it's very emotional and and um there people describe it kind of like a connection I want to talk about fear why do you think it's such a pervasive emotion given that we're living in a time which has never been safer than ever before yeah well I think fear has been very adaptive

for us as human beings I mean I think you know if you if you have a lot of common sense and you're navigating in your life um there's certain things that you you avoid um that I think is healthy and I think there's uh things where uh you can't predict something or you can't control something uh and you kind of get ready uh that's what the early stages of fear is you kind of rev up and you get ready you're ready to perform you're ready to act you're you're ready for something right and and I

think that's healthy um um when it's within a limit and then when it gets to that point where you absolutely have the perception that it's going to get worse instead of get better um that's when the brain goes into these these high states of arousal and the arousal really pay a lot of attention to your body pay a lot of attention to everything in your environment do not take your attention to degree of vigilance yeah it is Vigilance and and try to predict the worst thing right now that could possibly happen predict the worst because

if you can get ready for the worst and you're you're ready for it anything less that happens you're going to survive so the brain's actually predicts the worst case scenario when it picks that worst case scenario the body goes into heightened state of fear right and and now in fear though um the conditioned response that takes place from feeling that emotion is storing that emotion in the body right so now what do you mean when you say storing the emotion in the body um okay so um fear creates an arousal that switches on the fight

ORF flight nervous system right so keep having the thought keep having the response and you're taking thought and in the form of chemistry in the form of emotion and you're literally activating that third Center and now that third Center is storing an enormous amount of energy in it and when there's an enormous amount of energy in that that Plex solar plexus um that Cent that Center is driving more information to the brain for you to be more ready for the next possible thing that can go wrong and so you could have 10 really great things

that go on in your day and one thing that goes wrong and you're going to focus on that one wrong thing because you got to be prepared for it if it happens again so so I think fear was adaptive um at one point and it's become very maladaptive because again people are always uh uh trying to forecast the worst case scenario how can people feel less if we've got this intrinsic drug dealer this endogenous drug dealer inside of us that continues to just tick the button just keeping on pressing it pressing it pressing it pressing

it is becoming aware is it stepping into noticing when that arises is it trying to find a degree of safety yeah um well I think I think what we discovered is that um uh most people don't think that they have control over that I mean it's it's so primitive it's so in our biology it's hard to think that you have control over a fear response now um there's nothing wrong with having the few response there nothing WR wrong with getting aroused the question is how long like how long is this going to go on for

so you have a reaction five days ago from something that's happened and you're still you're still aroused by that event you got to agree that you're addicted you're addicted to that that emotion keep it going and it'll become more automatic you'll you'll constantly uh be think thinking certain ways and doing certain things to reaffirm that addiction to fear um so so for the short term you know have the fear response if you can't shorten the refractory period of that emotional response more than likely it's you're going to be in a program for the remainder of

your day so what we teach people is how uh to master the fear so so take anxiety as an example right many people come to the work and they have high amount of anxiety CEOs Engineers doctors nurses dentists people can't cross a bridge there's a business book called only the paranoid survive I think yeah there you go um and they've tried everything um to try to change their anxiety but what they haven't done is they haven't caught themselves feeling the feeling of fear and practicing with their eyes closed first not not in their life when

they're feeling fear but but let's practice when you're sitting in the meditation and your body starts getting a little anxious starts getting a little worried starts getting a little aroused what are you going to do in that moment can you become aware that the body's feeling that emotion and could you like like taming an animal settling the body back down from that aroused State back into the present moment okay it goes great I'm going to do this for two seconds and like a spoiled child it goes it starts getting aroused again now most people think

I I'm never going to be able to overcome this but the act of sitting with that and keep lowering the volume and and not not letting the body be the mind but you you actually executing being the Mind do that enough times and you'll condition the body to a new mind and and that what that H what happens is the brain stops firing those same circuits okay then the person says but what if this happens and what if that happens and then what if this happens and they catch themselves going to the worst case scenario

or going to the memory of the past and they keep bringing their attention back to the present moment what we discovered is if you keep doing that you get better at it and and when the body as I said finally surrenders into the present moment uh it cannot be in fear any longer so the person then that returns back into their life and has lowered the volume to the fear because they've been practicing it will respond less emotionally in their life because they overcome it right if they haven't overcome it then the response is going

to be the same so first thing eyes closed you got to practice with your eyes closed but get so good at doing it with your eyes closed that you can do it with your eyes open and when it's the hardest it matters the most and so Justified valid or not those chemicals are not good for you they're not good whether you're right whether you're Justified the only person that's hurting is you right so then the person says okay well is this is this loving to me okay so the fear is real okay so what what

emotion could you change from Fear into okay so we teach people okay can you practice breathing and slowing your brain waves down working with the animal working with the body slow your breath down slow your brain waves down yeah but I don't want to okay do it anyway practice slowing your breath down breathing a little bit slower your brain waves start to change put your attention on your heart we have great data to show where you place your attention is where you place your energy you see a very low frequency of the heart starting to

build in the person so now the heart is getting energy and then parasympathetic nervous system starts coming up the body starts moving into that state okay that's really great keep doing it over and over again keep relaxing into your heart energy moving into the heart the Harden forms the brain the trauma's over betrayal is over the uh the event is over what you're afraid of is is over and it resets the Baseline in the amydala for trauma and the side effect of that is the person now when energy moves into their heart like that they

start getting very creative the heart is a very creative Center okay what do I want to do now like what do I want to create now so so uh it's something that you can only talk around but when you're in the work and you're practicing it it's first so important to face off with it with your eyes closed and it's David against Goliath in the beginning because the program is so ingrained in our B biology and yet people who keep practicing lowering the volume lowering the volume you see the brain scans um CEOs as I

said all kinds of different athletes um you see the dramatic change in the brain there's the anxiety and now it's gone and there's just a significant changes in a person's subjective view of the world as well is this your format your process to move through most painful emotions um that's one of the ways uh that we do it I think just it isn't enough to inhibit the thought and the feeling I think it's practice practicing feeling something else and and then we use we use technology to actually tell you when you're doing it and when

you're not that's so important so so take a a Navy SEAL for example who has um done all the talk therapy uh tried all the Pharmaceuticals uh tried all the anti-depressants uh tried all the pain relievers tried the iasa tried the plant medicine in and they still can't function in their life right and so why can't they function in their life because uh they they haven't gotten beyond the emotion that's keeping them connected uh uh to the Past well if you can if if what you said earlier on is true and you continue to replay

this story and if your body and your physiological system and your endocrine system and everything else is just cascading down the same it's like you're reliving it is actually like you're reliving that same experience over and over and over and over again so it does make sense it would be like trying to fix a soldier's PTSD while he's still in the field exactly because that is where the brain is taking him back to yeah so so um we have seen people come right up to the edge of their emotional belief you know where the where

the pain where the emot emotion is at its height you know and and the hardest part of uh every war is the last battle and and they they go one more time you know they just say I'm going to go again and when they when they go again um many times they they're they that's when they have their breakthrough and the Breakthrough isn't as I said just like um a little breakthrough it's an immediate relief uh for the person and and so that's the moment then when they look back at their past they they see

it through a whole different lands I want to show you a clip of Theo Von with sha Strickland so sha Strickland is the current UFC middleweight champion and in a podcast with the two of them he talks about some trauma that he's been through in his past you know what I'm talking about huh yeah have you ever heard that yeah I'm sorry bud so man I'm sorry buddy we don't have talk man I could just sit here with you for a minute oh I think it's hard things that people don't understand but like trauma you

know yeah what do you see when you look at that oh I I see a real vulnerable moment moment for somebody really vulnerable moment uh and um yeah I think childhood trauma is I think probably the biggest uh trauma for many people to overcome because uh children their brain waves are very slow I mean um in Alpha in in Theta and uh information goes in very quickly right into their subconscious and and I think that um we figure out adaptive ways uh to not have to feel those emotions or not have to look at that

past but it's we're always aware of it it's always there right but but we don't really have a moment where we fully allow ourselves to experience it and and I think he had a moment uh where by association um he let himself be vulnerable which I think is great that's video is every single time I watch it is very difficult to watch for me and it's twofold it's first off someone that's become a professional hard person right he just punches people in the face he likes violence him opening up and him struggling and then Theo

saying it's okay man we don't need to talk we can just sit here for a while if you want I can't it's it's so beautiful yeah there's and I and I think um uncertainty and I think that moment of vulnerability needs space I think it needs space um and it needs time uh for the person to sit in that and allow themselves to fully feel it right and and that's how that's how it you you sit in it long enough it goes away it finally goes away what's your advice for somebody playing the Theo role

someone's having a conversation with somebody else who is on the verge of opening up they're on the cusp of of feeling something uncomfortable or trying to open up about it how can someone hold space more effectively oh I think I think all people really want to do is feel safe and feel loved you know so again I think he played that really really well and that is just uh let that person know that they're that you're there for them and and give them uh the room to go as far as they want to go and

and and some people uh uh feel really safe when that happens and I think they they they release it you mentioned before about this uh discomfort with feeling feelings um we live in a world which is very good at distracting us from feeling feelings there are a whole host of drugs philosophies Technologies ways of thinking that can distract us away from feeling feelings and if there's somebody that's listening to this and thinking to themselves I don't think I'm feeling my feelings that Folly how can someone get back in the rhythm of feeling the feelings again

yeah you got to sit with yourself you got to take your device and set it in the other room you got to shut it off and feel without that thing and you got a thing for yourself and I think um the the that kind of art of contemplation um has been lost because I think that process of self-reflection kind of is a building process neurologically in in our brains and so to to to you know we joke all the time with people who go through a week-long event I say to them when's the last time

you sat with you this long till you finally like you you if you sit with yourself long enough um those feelings are going to come up they're they will come up because uh um you have nothing to do you have nothing to do uh your inner world and how you're thinking and how your feeling is going to become very obvious to you um and so I think um people ask all the time well well why is my health condition like this what do I what are the thoughts what are the feelings that I need to

change it's really simple sit with yourself and you'll you'll know exactly what it is that you that you need to change so um I I think it's I think you got to create the time to invest in yourself um one of the things that I've discovered with many people that tell us uh stories of transformation is that they kind of have this kind of belief like I believe this stuff works um I just never believed it could work for me I mean that's a really really fundamentally key moment in a person's Evolution because that means

they actually have to change their belief and that's sometimes that means they got to come out of the resting state and they got to choose themselves every day I see that with a lot of things that that's something that's nice but for other people that's something which I believe could be true the data seems to be to be true but that's not for me yeah the weight loss isn't for me the transformation isn't for me the relationship that's healthy isn't for me the group of friends that genuinely want the best for me Isn't for me

this it's like solipsism in a way it's persistent disbelief yes but only around you of course but but all there is is you so so that person then who's who's arguing in for some limitation just doesn't believe that they can change their life they don't believe that their thoughts have something to do with their Destiny they don't believe they don't believe in possibility because they don't believe in themselves you cannot believe in possibility without believing in yourself and you can't if you believe in yourself that means you got to believe in possibility and that means

then uh that means you got to do something you got to get off the couch you know you got to get up and you got to get engaged uh in your world and you got to be a Creator in your life in in and instead of a victim in your life now that's an easy thing to say um but it means that means you have to carve out some time for you I mean and you invest in yourself invest in yourself and invest in your future do it and get uncomfortable and know that that's normal

that's natural that's the unknown okay if you if I keep making the same choices I'm going to keep having the same health condition if I keep doing the same things I'm going to still have the same level of abundance okay so I got to start making changes it's not that hard to do it if you really want to do it I mean if you really want to do it then you you'll invest in yourself now for me I think everybody to some degree Chris believes that they have a hand in creating their life unless they've

had a really really horrible childhood in past but on some level people believe it right so people say well yeah okay so I I believe that I can get the car I can get the vacation I can get the new home I can get the relationship I can get the second home I don't know whatever it is that people want but but the way they're going to do it is okay I'm gonna work really hard I'm gonna study a lot there's nothing wrong with this by the way um I'm going to be trained uh I'm

going to learn I'm going to make a bunch of wrong choices I'm going to learn from my mistakes and then I'm going to get really good at Gathering a lot of things and doing these things okay I've created a certain degree in my life but people who really really start shortening the distance between the thought of what they want and experience of having it something changes they may say oh I have the belief that I create my my life in some way but is it possible that it's more than the synchronicity you know more than

the parking space more than thinking of a friend and they call you like everybody kind of accepts that as kind of oh that's possible well why don't take it to the next level I mean what what if there what if you could actually do more of that like is that a belief that you can begin to uh Embrace so that means if you believe that some level that you can create something greater of like of Greater magnitude of Greater amplitude um that means then you'd have to get involved in the experience a little bit more

that means I'd have to believe how how could I possibly do that like what would it take for me to do that and so people evolve their belief around creation when they start seeing bigger synchronicities happen in their life like the opportunity the the the job the the the the phone call the synchronicity The Coincidence that's bigger than the parking space because they're in investing in themselves now here's the cool part the moment they have that synchronicity and it has something to do with what they're doing inside of them they're going to pay attention to

what they did inside of them they're going to do it again they're going to believe now oh I actually am the creator of my life I'm I'm no longer the victim of my life keep practicing that over time keep getting better at it you don't have to go anywhere and do anything to get things somehow they seem to come to you somehow the opportunities coming to you and you're not having to do it now that's another way to create and and that we're all creators so taking time to be a Creator taking time to invest

in yourself taking time to get involved in the experiment this is an experiment to see to measure the effects of you at cost right so do it really good one way and then find out a way if there's a way to flow if there's a way to change that all of a sudden allows your environment to uh change around you uh when you change that's when the experiment gets exciting I want to talk about gratitude what do most people get wrong when it comes to a gratitude practice get wrong huh um well if you think

about it when you receive something favorable or just receive something favorable if something wonderful is happening to you or something wonderful just happened to you the feeling that's created from that experience is is called gratitude so the emotional signature of gratitude means something wonderful is happening to you or something wonderful has just happened to you and gratitude is the ultimate state of receiving that's that's it's the ultimate state so um yeah you can you can practice with a gratitude journal and write down the things in your life that you're grateful for and I think that

has a a really great reminder to to manage your attention and to manage your energy um but by the same means can you be grateful for things that you haven't had yet uh but you believe enough that you can have now we only accept believe and surrender to thoughts that are equal to our emotional state we'll never accept believe in surrender to thoughts that are not equal to our emotional state so if you're feeling really unhappy and you're feeling really negatively and you're thinking positively the thought of thinking positively never makes it past the brain

stem to get to the body because the body is feeling miserable positive thought never changes the biology okay so people accept believe in surrender an information equals with their emotional state you watch something on a program and you get fear the information that comes in after that fear you're going to accept you get a diagnosis the doctor says you got this amount of time to live live and you're in that state that information is going to go right into your subconscious mind because your that information is equal to the emotional state that you're in make

sense so you can't think positively I'm I'm healthy I'm wealthy I'm I'm free I'm I'm unlimited and your body's going no you're not dude you're you're miserable so the thought never makes it to the body okay so that means then we would have to change the emotional state of the body and we're doing research on this really really fascinating research on this now so the person then wants to accept believe and surrender to thoughts of their future and they want to reprogram their subconscious mind to a new future if they're feeling gratitude and gratitude is

the ultimate state of receiving they will actually accept believe and surrender to the thoughts that they're thinking equal to that emotional state and that's exactly what programs the autonomic nervous system to begin to make a pharmacy of chemicals that causes the body to move into restoration growth and repair and and a lot of immune function so we took a group of people um in a study and um we measured their cortisol levels and we measured uh an imunoglobulin called IGA imunoglobulin a it's your body's natural defense it's the body's flu shot in fact it works

better than any flu shot um and so as cortisol levels go up IG levels go down because if you're an emergency your immune system is compromised if all your energy is going to the outer world you're and you have no energy in your inner world you're you're going to be unhealthy and the internal protection system kind of closes down okay so um four days of changing their emotions from resentment and judgment and frustration and impatience uh to gratitude and appreciation four days and we measured their hearts because when you're frustrated and you're impatient um and

you're judgmental your heart beats very differently when you're grateful well when you're grateful um your heart starts to beat in a more rhythmic way and there's a couple Pathways where oxytocin signals nitric oxide and nitric oxide signals another chemical that causes the arteries in your heart literally to swell to open up and so when you actually feel gratitude there's a physiological component that takes place where your heart feels full and when energy or blood makes it to the heart and energy makes it to the heart it's a different Consciousness right it's a it's a different

level of awareness than when you're feeling resentful or you're feeling impatient so feel the emotion of gratitude and open your heart keep activating that Center we discovered that when person a person feels that emotion and they do it for four days their IGA levels went up 50% uh just in four uh 4 days so there's an robust immune response that takes place by just uh changing uh from from those limited emotions to more elevated emotions so we saw that when a person's feeling gratitude um and their heart goes from kind of a uh very uh

incoherent state to a more regulated and organized state that once energy makes it to the heart um as I said earlier um somehow it begins to move to the brain and if you would imagine like grabbing a big sheet and going like this it's almost like the heart is causing this beautiful pattern of energy mve to the brain causes the brain to move in these beautiful Alpha Brain Wave states that is that state of imagination so I think when we're grateful um those social networks turn on where we want to connect I think we we

have more appreciation for the moment uh and and I think we're more prone to give uh which actually releases more oxytocin which releases more nitric oxide and causes us to feel even in feel even better so we teach people then to feel grateful for things that they haven't had yet as well as the things that they have in their life and it tends to produce profound changes in their biology tactically what are the cues that you're giving to people there will be people that are listening now that think I have a gratitude practice or I

I've seen the results from existing research positive psychology gratitude seems to be one of the most robust ways to improve your Baseline level of Happiness completely free cost free yeah what are the most powerful elements of a gratitude practice what are the triggers what are the tactics what are the way markers that you're saying this is something that you should be really focused on when it comes to your gratitude practice Yeah I think that I think um the first step uh is changing your physiology I think uh um I think there's levels of gratitude that

you could feel but you have to stop feeling other things first in order to feel it so it's not gr I I don't think it's enough and I'm just saying this for myself um it's not enough for me to feel gratitude for 5 minutes and then spend the rest of my day feeling miserable that's not why I'm doing it I'm doing it to sustain that State uh for an extended period of time that's I want to get really good at doing it with my eyes open so I believe that if I'm walking around in a

state of gratitude with my eyes open and I can sustain that state for an extended period of time there should be an there should be opportunities coming to me as the result of my change in energy right so I make the effort in the experiment okay because this is an experiment I make the effort in the experiment that if I can stay in this great state of gratitude that I should see something unusual come to me as a result of it that that's why I do it so that means that you have to we're hypnotized

and we're conditioned to believe that something out there has to change in order to take away the lack of separation of not having it inside of me gratitude kind of fills that lack and so if you're not waiting for your life to change to feel that emotion you're actually saying if I generate gratitude I actually heal if I generate gratitude I should create this in my life so I just like to use it in a way that tends to be more creative and not just be grateful for the things that I have I think that

has a lot of great biological effects but as the Creator in your life to shorten the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of having it without having to do a whole lot um I think gratitude is that perfect state of receivership talk to me about the role of hard work and how you see it because there is a a Temptation I can imagine for people to believe that thinking it is all that needs to happen yeah and this you know I remember Ronda burn who wrote The Secret there was a

tsunami in Thailand or Indonesia Boxing Day 2025 I think 2006 something like that and uh there was a famous news article that came out shortly after that I think the secret had come out and then as always an author that's got a book that's in circulation let's get Ronda burn to comment on this geological you know issue uh and she said that the reason that the tsunami had hit the people of Indonesia or Thailand was because that they were attracting that energy uh and that went down quite poorly perhaps unsurprisingly that hundreds of thousands of

people have been displaced by a tsunami and it was being blamed on them for sending out energy that then got this tsunami to come the converse being that lots of people who believe in agency and like the idea that they've got control over their own lives take a very materialist very utilitarian very sort of rationalist traditionalist perspective on I just need to do the thing so how do you marry this need for hard work yeah with the insights that you have around envisioning your future uh I I don't uh I just want to Define hard

work um uh first because um I think um I don't see hard work as the way people see hard work I I mean I'm a I'm a very immersive person so if I'm going to get good at something um I'm going to put my my mind my body my heart and soul behind whatever it is I'm going to do and and I do that because I like it you know I like to learn I like to experience I like to grow um and I think um you can get really good at doing it one way

and the hard work the you know all the stuff we talked about get really good at doing it and become successful and then have what just about everything you want but you may not truly have happiness you just may have a lot of things and you got really good at doing it right okay so for me I said there's got to be another way there's got to be another way to do it that's different than the way that I've done it I've done gotten really good at doing that is there another way to create where

I don't actually have to go and do something if I could change my energy and I've been at this long enough to tell you that nobody changes until they change their energy if I change my energy will my life change that's that's kind of the experiment that I'm interested in okay so what piece of knowledge what piece of information let me find the information that can help me build the model of understanding that this is actually possible now I'm not watching Netflix I'm not watching Ted lasso I'm not watching Suits I'm not watching in the

news I'm not watching the game I'm I'm I'm reading this information because I want to understand the what and the why okay now I got it okay quantum physics says Einstein says the field is the sole governing agency of the particle the the field controls the particle particle doesn't control the particle energy controls matter okay all right let me build this model a little bit further okay um if if if the field is sole governing agency of the particle then it's not matter that's emitting the field it's actually a field that's actually slowing down in

frequency and creating matter okay I'm telling you all this because I'm using I'm using quantum physics as a way to help us understand that mind and matter are inextricably combined it's impossible to separate the two okay well it works on the very tiny level of subatomic particles but can can it work on a on a greater level can can you make real life events happen in your life and collapse the wave function okay well if I'm matter trying to change matter if I'm Joe dispenza aware that I'm local in space in time immersed in the

illusion of this virtual reality experience this this hologram then I got to play by the play by the rules of antonian physics but you got to predict and plan and do a lot of things okay okay what if I could get to the field what if I could become pure Consciousness and be aware of nothing physical and material become nobody become no one in nothing in nowhere in no time become pure Consciousness and move to that realm beyond space and time okay let me just say okay if I could there is pure Consciousness and I'm

not aware of my body not aware of my environment not aware of time and I'm in the field okay what are the principles of the field everything's connected everything's frequency everything's energy um there's less separation there's more wholeness okay so if I could get to the field and I can create from the field instead of from matter as an experiment could I then begin to produce changes in the field that ultimately would change the the Hologram and threedimensional reality okay so I may not be very good at at the beginning so I was going to

say some unlearning and changing my beliefs about a lot of things and studying to make sure that when I do it that I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it okay uh so nothing happens do I go back to just going back the other way or am I just not that good so maybe I'm just not that good yet like maybe I got to get better at it so I'm going to practice again um I'm going to keep building my model through experience and then all of a sudden you start noticing changes now

the hard work was worth the effort when I start seeing the effects that it creates in my life so I think that that there's a delicate balance between intention and that's getting clear on what you want and surrender uh which means trusting in the outcome and if you over intend you're working really hard and you're trying really hard and if you overs surrender you're lazy and lethargic and you're not doing anything right so it's kind of a Razor's Edge when you talk about hard work because for me um it really is about building a model

of understanding and then being able to immerse myself in the experience to prove to myself that it actually uh could be the truth so the hard work is just good clean effort and getting so lost in the act of what you're doing that the ACT actually becomes the experience I know that for me when I get to that point where I've stretched myself past the point where I normally stop especially in a meditation if I go one more time it's always worth the effort something changes uh when I when I go past that point so

and I think that's that works in all kinds of ways so um I think hard work for me is just immersing myself in it to until I start seeing effects there's a line from Mackie valy where he says God doesn't want to do everything some of it is up to you I think that's a nice blending of those two yeah I have another friend who um we were at a party my birthday party actually last year and we were walking back toward his car who was parked nearby and uh he was going to give me

a left home and I was waiting for him to beep the car so that I could get in and he didn't and the door was open did you not lock your car he says oh I don't lock my car that's interesting why don't you do that and he says I'm not sure man the universe just has my back and locking your car I think that's just that's a sufficient low lift that you might as well do it anyway but that line really stuck with me the universe has my back and the times when I feel

like that's the case the times when I feel like I'm swimming Downstream not Upstream [Music] life's better yeah undeniably life's better well you may have to put 10 in and get one out in the beginning and then if you stick with it you put one in you get 10 out and that's when it gets fun so there'll be a lot of people listening who again the people who pray at the altar of raw cognition right very very utilitarian materialistic that left brain is always on how can they learn to expand a view of what contributes

to happiness and well-being and fulfillment and achievement in life what would you say to the person who's still unsure well um I think it was last year we were at an event a weeklong event and we were we do a lot of walking meditations because you got to be able to stand as it walk as it sit as it lay down is it and so we do a lot of walking meditations to to to embody it and um I was was it was in Cancun Mexico there was 2200 people at that event we were on

the beach it's at Sunrise the sun was coming up was one of the last meditations you know and I just I looked at all these people and they were looking facing the sun they had their hands over their heart and their eyes were closed so many of them like had tears of joy uh rolling down their face they were so incredibly joyful so in incredibly grateful um so worthy uh in that moment and I realized my God nobody's making them happy in that moment but them and and I think when we hit these points where

we finally break free from the chains you know of our own limitations I think when we overcome the emotional addictions that keep us tormented and reliving the past uh I think um that the the the overcoming of those emotional addictions the side effect is joy is it's it's it it's a freedom of expression without feeling limited uh in any way and I just I can tell you that um again this is only my experience but when I look at an audience of people you know at the end of seven days and um I always tell

them uh nobody's making you happy but you and all you've done is decided who not to be and who to be and you sat with yourself long enough to change that so when people do that and they get to that point where um they're worthy to receive they they showed up enough times when they could have laid in bed or skipped a meditation but they didn't that they they kept showing up I think the universe only gives us what we think we're worthy of receiving right and so the person who's feeling that level of um

happiness that level of Joy because they've made themselves happy then they're okay with you and they're okay with everybody and I and I think that's the important point is that that when we overcome ourselves the side effect of of that is true Joy how can people better learn to love themselves wow I mean that's a that's an interesting conversation um I I think love has to be redefined uh to some degree uh because I think a lot of people have a different definition about love um but I once again I really have seen this numerous

times uh they have to practice feeling love I mean you cannot love unless you practice feeling it and and I think um if you practice feeling love you get better at feeling love and if you get better at feeling love you become less selfish and more selfless in other words you're not when you're executing from your heart when you're feeling love um I think you you consider the whole uh and and um so so for me um I think when people uh push themselves past that point where they normally stop um and they TR truly

truly believe in themselves I think they're in love with themselves and when they're in love with themselves they're pretty much in love with everybody and when they're when they're angry at themselves they're angry at others and when they're resentful uh with themselves they're res or judge judgmental of themselves or judgmental of others I think that's the law so we've seen it numerous times seen you know especially when you see a collective group of people u in a state of Joy it's not common that you see that um in the world these days I heard a

story from you about the basketball player maybe basketball ball player in a wheelchair who said that he never loved himself at one of your events and it just really struck me that line I never really loved myself ah yeah yeah I thought it was very interesting he had uh Ms I'm pretty sure is a professional football player I think he and he came to the event it was kind of funny and um he his brother brought him there and he thought he was coming to a yoga retreat he didn't know what he was getting into

and you know the guy came in a wheelchair and he's walking at the end of the event it never occurred to him to love himself and we had someone else with ALS that came in a wheelchair and they brought him backstage he was walking on that beach and he said oh my God the more more I practice feeling love the more I feel like I'm healing he didn't say I I'm how come I'm not healed all the way he said oh my God every time I feel deeper and deeper levels of Love Somehow my body

is changing and healing so now now he's feeling love uh with an intention to heal right and I think that's I think that's I I think there you get to a certain point where um you know well we've seen this um we've seen oxytocin levels in our community you know the love chemical you know 200 times normal and and and when you're feeling that amount of love it's really hard to hold a grudge um you would never want to stop feeling that way and So you you're okay with everybody in that state any any other

thought that you have is ripping you out of that state that you're already in you start to go oh my God I like feeling this a lot so then now it just becomes in you know contagious you want to feel more of it and and I think there's always more Love Is there a is there something similar to do with fear of other people Judgment of others criticism dealing with criticism of other people that if you have this sense of innate comfort and joy with where you're at that any opportunity or risk or threat for

that to change just looks like a really deal why would I take that deal yeah I would to take that deal yeah and and I think I think that's a natural state of being when we're not in survival you know when we move out of survival I think we we tend to be as a species very good very kind very caring very loving very supportive very informative uh and and that's people heal each other people Shine for one another they I think that's I think that's who we are we're wired uh to be that as

well as a species and um I think that's that's that model of then when when you're like when we see in the coherence healing is a you get a group of people that behave all kinds of ways in their life and you get them come together and you instruct them and they all behave the same way when they all behave the same way it's no different than that flock of birds or school of fish there's an emergent Consciousness that's taking place in other words in the whole the whole is greater than the sum of the

parts and the intention to heal another person as an example as the collective puts their attention on these individuals what they're saying is we're we're intentionally making the effort to heal this person because when we do heal this person we strengthen the hole right and so something happens with us where we're wired I don't know why it's so much easier to clean your neighbor's backyard than your your own but something in US innate in us where we get to give uh life to another person's life or to love another person into life wow um I

was just in a a zoom call yesterday with an autistic uh guy 27 years old that was catatonic he couldn't move I mean horrible depression and and um God just a different he was uh scuba diving in Cancun last year after our event I a different character but that's not that's not important what's important is the people that administered the healing on him and the mother who was sitting there telling the story about how their lives have changed because he just broke out like he's a different guy he's super poetic he can talk now he

couldn't talk before he's practicing I mean this is a new life for him right and she's crying and uh you want to talk talk about self-love the the group of people that had ministered the healing are all on the call and we're all I'm on the call too and we're all crying because we're feeling the mother's gratitude and I think that's one of the greatest uh ways we can feel gratitude is when we receive it so some kind of empathy is born that says that God we we made a difference in someone's life we took

care of somebody in the tribe like we're we we're strengthened because of this and um this this kind of empathy that takes place kind of draws us closer together you know when we we we Bond better so the experience then for that person who administered the healing is creating a level of love that they hadn't had before and it wasn't from getting the sports car and it wasn't from going on the vacation it was by giving to somebody else and and then then opening your heart becomes less of a technique it's not a technique any

longer it's just a way right it's a thing and so the people that do these coherence healings remotely and great studies on autism great studies on PTSD great effects on all kinds of health conditions remotely U I have sat with them and they say I would never miss I would never miss because I could have the worst day in the world and I I when it's no longer about me it's about somebody else and I can do this and I can make a change in a person's life they're moving closer to love right they're they

The Experience then from that experience that they've never had before or the repeated experience brings them so much joy so much love um that they they need less uh from their outer World um and and I and I think that um you know we're wired to be that way self-regulation the term that gets thrown around an awful lot what's that mean to you tactically how do you employ that um it's it's so easy uh in a matter of seconds to react to someone or something to respond to some stray thought and in a matter of

seconds default back to those subconscious and unconscious programs because that emotion is driving you to behave as if you're in the past it's automatic right so it's seamless the default system causes us to to lose our connection to the vision of the future our belief in the future and it happens so fast that we forget of that future right so so so self-regulation is the ability to regulate your or control your internal state of how you're thinking and feeling in a condition in your environment that normally would create another feeling or another emotion right so

here's one of the things we did in in our studies um we don't do it anymore but we did it for a long time we saw that our community we could teach them how to make their heartbeat more coherently and when the heart does that it sends out a magnetic field up to 3 MERS wide it's a big field um and people can get really good at that and you can do it in a ballroom with a thousand other people or 2,000 other people close your eyes forget about your outer environment breathe and feel practice

feeling these elevated emotions get good at it and um you can you can manage that okay but what about when you open your eyes now what happens when you walk out into your life you know and so we decided that we would take uh our entire community and we would put them in circumstances and conditions whether it was repelling off the side of a building um or standing on the top of a a 50 foot pole uh and you know reaching for you know jumping for trampoline whatever it was bit of disregulation a something to

disrupt that level of order and this was not about an adrenaline rush this was actually about the opposite that if you put the person in the circumstances that would normally cause an automatic fear response automatic vigilance automatic anxiety and give them something to do and teach them how to regulate their internal State and get back into hard coherence and they're wearing monitors right when we're doing this practice that and and and and accomplish right if you could self-regulate in that moment and return back into your life and you just you just did it there it's

going to feel like you should be able to do it in your life as well not only that if you if you put the stakes really high and the threshold is really high then you face the problems in your life you're like Ah that's not so bad relative to what I just what I just did so self-regulation is to be able to change your emotional state get back into that heart relaxed the formula that we discovered is that the more relaxed you are in your heart the more awake you are in your brain for some

reason if you keep relaxing in your heart the brain keeps becoming more awake and aware so instead of stressed out unconscious and living in a program practicing relaxing your heart and awaken your brain can actually become a Hab so being able to regulate your emotional state in the same environment in other words think act and feel differently in the same conditions in your life and that's that's regulation what are the cues that you're getting people to follow what are the most powerful ways that people can self-regulate oh my goodness um we discovered that when when

energy makes it to the heart and it moves to the brain uh we start seeing this resonance that starts to take place in the brain in other words if people get really good at this their brain is actually has a a fa a Delta wave that's acting as a carrier to a Theta wave and the Theta wave is in a resonance or harmonic to an alpha an alpha to Beta beta to high beta and high beta right to gamma right so we practice doing that with our eyes closed and we do it over and over

again relaxed and awake relaxed and awake and then of course we practice the walking meditation so if you can do it seated in your chair let's stand up let's all go to the beach let's practice standing up why cuz you got to practice standing up practice with your eyes closed do the same thing you were doing laying down now do it standing up okay now I can do it standing up I can change my state now let's open your eyes now but when you say do it standing up what is it practice relaxing in your

heart it's a it's a a formula that we use it's a meditation that we use and we take people through it so practice that standing up instead of laying down now open your eyes and self-regulate practice doing that with your eyes open until it becomes a habit right so walk in that state with your eyes open keep practicing that over and over again sooner or later it's going to become easier and easier for you to do it so so when a person has practiced it enough times they can create the distinction they can know the

difference between when they're there and when they're not like they they they'll know it immediately they lose it like they fall from grace they oh I lost it so then they have just one of two choices stay in the program the rest of the the day and complain and blame and make excuses and feel sorry for yourself or pause for a moment excuse yourself get back into that state relax in your heart and awaken your brain again and and being able to do it when you're out of balance is the reason why we do it

we're doing it to get back into balance so it takes practice um but gosh we have so many people that do it really well to walk as it practice with your eyes open just like you do with your eyes closed talk to me about the power of mental rehearsal this is something that you spend an awful lot of time working on uh yes so I'm always fascinated with neurogenesis or growth in the brain I've always been fascinated by it and so um if you look at a musician you look at an athlete uh you look

at a performer or an act or an actress um you look at a dancer anybody who's learning a skill there's a period of time where they have to iously practice what they're doing they have to consciously put a lot of their attention a lot of their awareness and a lot of their energy on what they're doing it takes a lot of energy for them to start this whole process I if they if they keep practicing it after a period of time the the redundancy of the experience then starts to install enough circuitry for them to

do it more automatically it just gets more natural and easy and and that's kind of the physical rehearsal of whatever they're doing that's really important but what separates uh that person to the mind of the champion is the person who will sit down and rehearse the act of what they're about to do they'll take the time and they'll mentally rehearse the the the action and what the research shows is that when you mentally rehearse doing something the brain does not know the difference between the outside world event and what you're imagining in your mind to

the brain is exactly the same so as you to rehearse what you're doing and you put yourself in the scene and you practice it if the brain doesn't know the difference between the real life experience that's out there and what you're rehearsing in your mind experience creates circuitry in the brain so you start laying down Hardware in the brain to look like you've done it to look like you've already experienced it now the brain's as I said no longer record of the past it's now becoming a map to the Future okay keep practicing it doing

it past that point keep rehearsing it then all of a sudden nerve cells that fire together wire together it gets more automatic it gets be more like a software program it becomes easier to do so Studies have been done on this where they took people that that never played the piano before and divided them into two categories and they did functional scans on on on both of the groups and in one group they had them come and learn one-handed scales and chords for 5 days um and they had to practice two hours a day and

so they played the scales and chords and at the end of 5 days as you would imagine they had a whole new set of circuits in the motor cortex of the brain well you learn new information learns learning is making new synaptic connections uh get some instruction get your body involved get your body involved you're going to have an experience experience enriches the brain pay attention to what you're doing you got to pay attention and repeat it over and over again repetition firing and wiring you assemble new neural architecture okay post scans show that take

a group of people and have them close their eyes and mentally rehearse playing the scal and chords for two hours a day for 5 days at the end of those 5 days the people that mentally rehears playing the scales and chords their brain looked like they've been playing the piano for 5 days but they never lift the finger take those people and set them in front of a piano they never played the piano before and they'll actually play those scales and chords so they Prime their brain so they could actually step into that footprint so

if you're going to really want to begin to make measurable changes in your life because you want to heal from your condition or disease um then you can't be resentful around your ex and so you're going to have to figure out a way how you're going to have to act what would love do what would greatness look like how am I going to how am I going to overcome this and how am I going to behave in this circumstance because the one hour of my good meditation where I felt great and in my heart and

connected and coherent in my brain and then the rest of the day I'm frustrated and patient okay I got to figure this out so I'm feeling better I'm sleeping better I have more energy um I have less pain but my my values are still the same okay 1 hour against 15 hours I got to I got to get I got to C rehearsing so I could actually get in the game so that I'm I'm not going to fall and return back to the default of that old personality because I'm not going to heal throughout this

conversation I've had this idea in my mind of sort of the shallowness of a lot of practice that doesn't necessarily incorporate this and I've spent a lot of time with some very very smart people that are very very effective at getting Behavior to change but I often wonder about how much deeper than the behavior it goes into belief about what they're worthy of many people are really great at doing things even if they don't think that they're worthy of doing them for very I mean that's kind of like the intrinsic side of impostor syndrome when

you succeed I didn't believe that I could do the thing I went out and did the thing and yet I still don't feel like I was worthy of the success that doing the thing gave me yeah right yeah and it it kind of shows to me this I think shallowness is is the closest word that I can think of uh let's see how I can say this um I thought people came to our work to heal to create abundance to get a new job to have a new relationship to have a mystical experience I really

thought that those were the reasons that they thought they came but really what they're really coming for is wholeness um because when you're whole it's really hard to want um and you could only want when you're in lack uh or you're in separation and and and we we actually create from lack we actually create from separation if you see something that you don't have that someone else has and you're aware now that it exists and you say I want that you you the lack of not having it actually inspires you to create and get it

right so we create from lack and separation and so if people are spending their whole time in their life working really hard to get the things that they want behaving differently so they get that thing and then when the novelty wears off from that thing here comes that Feeling Again of lack and separation and we reach a point in our life for many people where nothing making nothing's making that feeling go away and that's a really important moment in life where you start realizing oh my God I got to wake up because there's never going

to be something that does it out there well that's one of the reasons I think that you get sort of gold medalist syndrome or whatever the equivalent is that you can always J try to yourself that Ah that's it it it wasn't the $2 million house it's the $4 million that's the one this was just the reason that I still feel empty after having achieved that it wasn't the corner office it's the corner office with the penthouse windows at the top it wasn't the wife and there is no there is always a Manana yeah I

think people confuse pleasure and happiness uh on one level and God I have sat with billionaires and more than than one and they have leaned over and said to me we are miserable we are in agony we can't even we can't even enjoy a sunset like uh because money has nothing or success has nothing to do with genuine authentic joy and and mastering yourself overcoming yourself in so many ways creates so much wholeness and order in the nervous system so much wholeness that you don't want anything anymore and and that's a great moment when you

feel so whole that you no longer want that that's the moment you're free I think that's the moment you really feel free so so it is deeper than that yeah I think there's an intrinsic innate quality for us to remember uh something deeper and more profound in us and I think when people have that full-on sensory internal experience that moment of connection that that overcoming that arousal you know that whatever that is that connection or Union um I think they when they they feel these elevated States they stop looking outside of it outside of themselves

for it they start looking within and and I think that's a a really great moment and and I I don't know how deep that rabbit hole goes but I know that that um there's always more love uh to feel when we when we do that was an awful lot of attention paid to self-mastery but it's self-mastery within a very particular domain self-mastery to make sure you don't hit snooze it's self-mastery to not eat the sugar it's self-mastery to go to the gym to lift the weight to to complete the to-do list to do the things

right this is a world that I inhabit very very heavily and it's opening up the doorway to the potential that it might be something more than that it might be more than just doing the thing I'm glad you're saying that because I believe that also I really think there's way more than that there's way more than that because there's there's so much that we haven't experienced yet that has nothing to do with material world have a full-on mystical experience and to the point where you can't go back to being the same person any longer because

you're changed as a result of it that your perception of reality changes from that inward experience um I I I think that I think there's a lot of unknown experiences that that await us that have nothing to do with the world we know do you think that everybody has the same propensity uh openness uh to to these sorts of experiences there are some people that I'm around and that I'm friends with and I think in order to get you to the stage where you would be Keen to open the door to the mystical experience uh

we're going to have to drag you kicking and screaming through a mile of glass ah yeah you know it's a it's a I think when people are ready they're ready you know I people meet information on their own level you know and and I think that's great I think everybody's on the Journey Back To Source you know and uh you got to you got to forget that you're source to have the experience of something other than it you know and I I think it's now it's a process of of of Awakening and so um God

I think there's I think there's so much more to experience in life besides that and and and um having those moments of those transcendental moments where you where you realize that there is something greater it's hard to go back um uh to playing the game the same way one of the common pitfalls that must get in the way of people is chronic stress it's what we've spoken about earlier on what are some of the ways that stress might show up in our lives that people don't realize the sneaky surreptitious ways that it comes and and

starts to niggle at our quality of life well just think about the emotions that are associated with stress it's anger it's hatred it's violence it's hostility it's judgment it's competition it's control it's Envy it's jealousy it's insecurity it's fear it's anxiety it's vigilance um it's hopelessness its powerlessness it's guilt it's shame and psychology calls all of those emotional states normal human States Of Consciousness those are Altered States Of Consciousness so so if you're feeling any one of those emotional states more than likely you're having a stress response the problem is we get so conditioned into

it that we don't know how to feel uh uh feel any other way so I think we describe change in this work as being greater than your body being greater than the body that's been conditioned emotionally into the past and being greater than the body when it's programmed in into a predictable future executing a will that's greater than the program executing a mind that's greater than the body and moving it into the present moment takes a lot of energy and takes a lot of awareness and you got to sit with it long enough to get

good at it so in order for you to change you have to be able to move from that place of knowns familiar past predictable future into the present moment the unknown okay to changes greater than your environment every person every object every every place has a neurological Network in your brain because you've experienced it okay so if you're not being defined by a vision of the future and you open your eyes and you plug yourself back in the three-dimensional reality you see your coworker you see your ex you see your boss you see your friend

you see your cell phone you see the news and now the environment is actually controlling the way you're feeling and the way you're thinking so now it's no longer your personality creating your personal reality your personal reality is creating your personality your environment is controlling the way you're thinking and feeling so to change is to be greater than your environment to not respond the same way not to think the same not act the same way in the same conditions okay and and not being in the predictable future and the familiar past you got to be

in the present moment means overcome time okay that's our model for change when you're under stress the arousal of stress hormones causes you to really feel like your body the arousal causes you to put all of your attention on your body because you're the priority when you're in survival when you're in survival and the brain is in the aroused State your attention is you're not going inward now you get eaten you can't get vulnerable you can't drop your guard you know like the video there drop your guard you got to drop your guard to do

the be vulnerable but you won't drop your guard if the threat of the danger is out there you don't want to go in it's not a time to create it's not a time to go it's not a time to learn it's time to run fight and hide right so the arousal causes put all of our attention on the environment and when you're under stress and you're trying to predict the future based on the past you're you're obsessed about time right so if the change is to be greater than your body to be greater than your

environment be greater than time and the stress hormones cause us to put all of our attention on our bodies Our environments and time it means when we're under stress and in survival it's really hard to change is it really not a time to change it's time to run fight and hide okay overcome the addiction to those emotions lower the volume to them give people the the the the the application and have them work with it they're going to break they're going to break an addiction what happens when you break an addiction you go through withdrawals

come on just a little suffering come on come on just a little judgment just you got come on you know that's so the body's craving the body's the mind is craving those chemicals and so overcoming an addiction to something outside of us is one thing but overcoming the addiction to the chemicals of the emotions that are that are within us is that's a huge thing right and so it's funny because if you're addicted to something like I don't know sugar suar or caffeine and none of these are you know have your own belief on them

but if you're addicted to alcohol or whatever or nicotine and you say I'm going to quit I'm going to quit and you say that with intention with your conscious mind and then you know I throw my feet up on the table I grab a sugar donut and cup of coffee and I got you know powder all around my mouth and you're you're still you know you're still trying to overcome it your body's going to say start tomorrow this is not a good day for you come on one bite everybody else is doing you know all

of that that's are the voices in our head that lead to the same choices right so but if you truly broke the addiction to the emotion um to the to the to the substance and you walked in you could have the sugar or not have the sugar or the coffee or not have the coffee because you're not addicted to it and there's no tug any longer the difference is that when it's something that's outside of you one of the most effective ways to change behavior is to change your environment right so you say hey you

can't eat the donut that isn't in your house you can't drink the coffee that isn't in your hand being you have at a moment's notice the opportunity to access all of the sugar in forms of stress or resentment or anxiety or distaste or judgment or whatever it is that you want that's always there you have a permanently open cupboard of an unlimited number 2 24 hours a day when you wake when you go to sleep um which is what's particularly Insidious about it right sure sure and and stress mismanages our attention all right so if

you're addicted to an emotion and you're addicted to fear um there's going to be some person or some circumstance that you're going to put your attention on that actually is associated with that that fear and so uh the stronger the emotion you have to some person or problem the more you pay attention to them where you place your attention is where you place your energy then you're giving your power away to that person so lower the volume to that emotion overcome the addiction you'll take your attention off that person or problem and that's energy that's

coming back to you and it actually builds your own field now there's energy to heal now there's energy to create there's energy to design a new future so so lowering the volume to the emotion overcoming the addiction is is is an art um because you go through that period of Cravings where your body which has been conditioned to be the Mind Is Telling You come on just one memory come on just do it once and and and if people are white knuckling it and they don't know what to do then it it it becomes like

withdrawals give them something to do let me replace this emotion let me replace this thought let me let me do something differently I think it helps it I I I think you can move a little quicker that way I saw a study a little while ago about the Boston Marathon bombing and they compared people who had actually been there during the bombing and their level of trauma response after the event to people who hadn't been there but had watched more than 90 minutes of news coverage about it the people that watched more than 90 minutes

of news coverage about it had a worse more severe trauma response than people who were actually literally there while the bomb went off yeah what is your perspective on a always on world with technology with 24-hour news with social media with screens what you're talking about here is connecting to ourselves we're in a world which is always trying to get us to connect to something else just how important is it to disconnect oh I think it's super important I think uh uh who controls the information controls the behavior of the masses right I think that's

just the way it is because information causes us to be aare of something so if you accept that information as the truth you get a collective group of people all behaving in the same way so wow what a what an amazing time in history right now because if you look around so many different uh paradigms are collapsing around us and and wow it's a it's a crazy time uh uh to to be alive so uh I I I I don't know what information honestly to trust anymore there's just so much information out there and and

I think that well I think that I think there are motives for self-interest in the world um that aren't aren't genuinely good for human beings so um I think it's important for people to commune to connect to bond to interact in 3D um reality that's why we do our events in person because something emergent happens in a collective group of individual ual that come together we've measured the energy in the room it's it's something something emerges that wasn't there before when you show up and you commune and Community is the answer um so so technology

um I think I think it it robs our it robs our pleasure centers it hijacks them to higher and higher levels and and I think technology causes us to get to a point where we can't find pleasure in anything except that little device that people are putting their attention on and and uh we do this at our events we watch people you know they're just they don't even know that they're addicted to that device until they have to sit all day and not not think about it and then they when they finally realize how addicted

they were to it when they've overcome it they have a different reset uh for themselves so um I I I respect technology a lot because all of my companies use it in all kinds of wonderful ways um but if you can't set that thing down and break away from it it owns you on some level and it's regulating your thoughts and feelings on on a on a very high level and so the problem that I've had with technology with younger people is that when you when you blow up a nation or you punch somebody or

you break through a certain level or you overcome something there is enormous release of dopamine in the brain the pleasure centers are just dumping dopamine but that quantity of dopamine is not normal for the brain so the receptor sites close down because it's like living with a spouse that always yells at you you just close down and get desensitized to it well so that means then the next time you play you got to use you got to create more dopamine to switch those system you know switch that on and so over time um you kind

of hijack those pleasure centers to a really high level so the problem I have with that is that learning um should be a reward in and of itself uh and and if you've just did all those crazy things on a device and your brain is stimulated to that point um you can't turn it on when it comes time to learning and you can't learn without stimulation I remember the first time that I started getting into meditation and reading I tried to do a lot of pivots all at the same time and I would sit down

on my cushion at my old house in Newcastle and I'd have my hands in my lap and my body would move a little bit like that and I realized that it was just so used to Raw stimulation and I would start to read a book that is black and white text on a piece of paper that doesn't move there's no Bings or bongs or vibrations or notifications coming down from the top and my body felt uh agitated I felt agitated looking at this page because it was such low stimulus yeah and trying to it took

probably a over a year took over a year for me to actually be able to sit down and feel that as a pleasurable experience and not one that was agitating because I was and then you get this sort of second order effect of oh my God how stupid is it that I can't sit in front of this page I'm so stupid what a piece of that I have that I've managed to condition myself learn anymore I can't learn anymore and then that's the a that's your affirmation actually you're not conscious that you're saying that but

your affirmation is I can't learn anymore I'm not good enough or whatever that's your affirmation you're actually believing that I am and then you take it one level above that and you say God what a piece of I am that I think the thought I can't believe and oh my God how smart am I that I'm the sort of person that thinks I'm the sort of person thinks that I have this thought this infinite regress of turtles all the way up feeling bad about feeling bad yeah I'm a I'm a black belt third degree Master

at that well well um I think there is this I think I think there's a limit to multitasking and I think changing your attention so quickly on a device becomes habituated so you you people attention spans have shortened uh just an enormous degree um but what what I think is so important uh is uh we we do this work where we synchronize the heart to the brain and and that when the heart and the brain are synchronized they're actually exchanging information same frequency same energy frequency carries information heart and brain are synchronized now the heart

starts to inform the brain the brain may think but the heart knows and so getting those two systems um in balance a lot of times allows us to G it gain information from within us and I think um you know um I don't know about you but there's a lot of information that I just I'm not sure of anymore oh massively I mean the interesting thing has been as we've got more information it hasn't made people better informed it's made them more uncertain yeah because the multiplicity of inputs has resulted in so many different points

of view that no one can agree on what is what anymore yeah go back to the Boston Marathon Ian there's a lot of information that you're watching that's actually worse than you being there or is it is it really or is it even real you know who knows I mean it's a it's a huge uh interest of mine because I I I I just I think you can program people to do anything now I'm absolutely certain of it relationships seem to be an interesting sandbox for pattern to appear in there's something about being with somebody

else that draws you out of yourself you can't your p in ways that you on your own wouldn't what are some of the patterns that people should be conscious of when they are in relationships with others I think one of the biggest ones is uh uh you should make me happy it's not a conscious belief it's a subconscious belief um and uh only when you're happy I'm happy that's uh another uh challenging uh uh program to be in um and and I I really think that you know for I think we relate with everything everything

we relate with people relate with you know relate intimately um but we have uh emotions that we share that with different people and when we share emotions we share information we share energy right so so in a relationship um as as long as uh two people are evolving in the same have the same interests and evolve in the same direction uh I think there's there's a lot of growth that can take place and and I think after the honeymoon stage wears off uh in a relationship and and now you're back to yourself your routine self

um I think people really learn a lot about themselves and a lot about other people that they that they didn't know before and so I think it's really important for people to show up in a relationship and bring their best that just should be that just should be the deal that they make I'm just going to bring my best and when I can't uh uh uh if I don't I'll excuse myself and I'll get there again or um if I ask you you would will you tell me the truth don't tell don't don't tell me

unless I ask you uh but if I ask you tell me the truth so I think there's ways to grow off of each other um in all kinds of relationships but it doesn't have to be an intimate relationship it could be all kinds of relationships and some people just have friends they love to suffer with or siblings they love to feel guilt with or parents they love to feel guilt with or enemies they love to hate and but that if that enemy dies they'll pick another one so they can still feel hate right so we

have relationships I think that are based Bas on emotions and emotions are the end product of experience so all all men are this way or all women this way we because we've both had the same experience we share the same emotion uh we can relate to one another um and that's what happens a lot of times when people change they're no longer suffering any longer they're no longer unhappy any longer they're no longer feeling victimized any longer and they break their emotional agreements with people and and uh that's because they're not the same person any

longer and and those relation ships changeed as a result of it you got to be willing you got to be willing to do that as suppose the strange thing is if you're not already willing to show up for yourself or capable of showing up for yourself and making changes for yourself what makes you think that you know how to step in when it's you for somebody else or when you're trying to work out whether somebody else has your best interests at heart when you don't have your best interests at heart yeah yeah I think I

think um well there's a lot to be said about that but but um uh if if two people to support each other on those blind spots I think I think there could be a lot of growth that goes along with it you want somebody who makes you more of what you want to become I think people are in relationships that they they go into a relationship to be happy right I mean these people say I want love well why do you want love I want love because I want to be happy I want to be

happy with somebody okay well there's nothing wrong with that that means then you have to become happy in order to be in that relationship because if you're unhappy and you go into that relationship more than likely you're not going to be happy sooner or later what role does spirituality have in science um I think science now has in in my world has become the Contemporary language of mysticism I think it's science that demystifies the mystical and if you can use different uh branches of science that demonstrate possibility right I think uh the moment you use

religion or tradition or culture or even spirituality you say a word you're going to divide an audience you know because everybody has their own experience of that word their own definition of that word and a lot of times people turn off they don't so so so we work really hard in renaming everything in the in the model of of a a scientific understanding uh so that uh I think science creates Community uh so I think it's the language of of of mysticism and so um the research that we're doing is specifically interested in in demystifying

what it takes to to to to change and and um uh we have a lot of information that's kind of filling in the gaps that was once considered spiritual or um metaphysical um and and I've been at this a long time and and I've been accused of being a pseudoscientist you know you can't call me that any you can't say that any longer because of the science to say that is absolutely the truth right so um I think uh uh the discoveries that you make when you have a hypothesis and those the the outcomes are

actually supportive of that hypothesis um it changes your belief and and we have we have scientists that I really really respect that are running experiments five six seven times in a row because they're actually thinking they're going to get a different result they're they're they're changing their belief right in that moment and I say to them why did you get in the science and they're like for Discovery well you're discovering something new and it's unbelievable so they rerunning it thinking this can't be right this can't be right this there's no way this could be like

like this is like this cannot be is there a uh a a scientist that was particularly hard one in terms of their yeah our head of research head of research uh U the the haml that runs our research he's the head he was not at he was open to the idea but he was going to you know he wasn't very he didn't really believe it and and now he says in my freezer I hold the the cure for all diseases his lectures are about the evolution of the species this is a a a scientist with

over 200 published papers he cannot believe the outcomes and and the cool part about it is not like a small percentage of this part of the parietal lobe is actually enhanced and you know 15% of the people that did the study and and this one standard deviation above that's not what we're seeing you know like you know when we saw the data with the with the uh the cancer studies that we were doing and we were seeing one one particular U person we were studying his blood that it was taking all this mitochondrial function away

in cancer cells we said okay let's do now let's do a Community let's do a a group of advanced meditators and see if the information's in their blood as well 84% of the people 84% of the people that uh we studied uh their their plasma had a dramatic effect on pancreatic cancer cells breast cancer cells all different types of cancer cells it's 84% that's a high percentage so again you want to talk about demystifying uh through science uh that means on on some level the information in their blood is coming from somewhere and it's not

coming from uh anything outside of them it's coming from within them so that is that is quite mystical uh and the conversations that I'm having with a scientist now and the studies that we're doing really are Bridging the Gap between some of the things that were considered you know mystical in some way and or miraculous but in order to have a miraculous events you have to challenge convention and if you challenge convention you're you're considered a fool cool you know it's fool hearty it's insane pull it off though now you're a genius now you're a

saint now you're a Mystic so so we're seeing uh people in this work have really amazing testimonials they stand on the stage they tell their story they're the example of Truth people I'm watching the audience PE the whole entire audience is leaning in they're leaning in because they're looking at truth and it's it's coming from a story and it's not elegant and it's not nice and they got sick and they lost a lot of things they went bankrupt and but that but there's a there's a a lot of really powerful information that's being told in

that story the stories that people are the Gathering are actually causing them to become aw it happened to them take that and combine it with all the scientific data that we have evidence becomes the loudest voice the evidence in testimony the evidence in science says that it actually is possible and I don't and I don't want people I don't want them to forget it that's why we're doing this the all the scientific research I don't want them to forget um that when they do change their internal state that it has profound effects on their health

and on their biology so so the science is removing the doubt for a lot of people and and I think that's really important and people that tend to be cognitive that tend to be rational that tend to be left brain tend to be reasonable um we take them on a journey you know and and and by the way we have great scans to show that people who come primarily Men by the way that come and they're just like I don't buy this I don't even like the guy you know kind of like that um and

we we but their wies drag him their Partners drag him they come and their hearts all open and they're sobbing and they're happy and they're free and and their wife is just could cannot believe and and like the guys like um many of them were like I never meditated before I always say you're perfect you're perfect you're going to do exactly what I tell you to do they do exactly uh what we tell them to do and they have these really well because they have no existing patterns of meditation expect or anything else i' been

meditating for 20 years well okay well you know so we see these people that just come with no expectation white belt mentality oh our data shows Chris that if you don't expect anything to occur the unexpected happens 100% of the time and when that unexpected happens we look at the brains of those people they look like they're on psilocybin they look like they're on a hallucinogenic and yet they're not taking anything their brain just looks like they're in a whole mystical world it's kind of cool what's your thoughts on psychedelics and the role have you

guys considered trying to somehow weave what you do in with a engendering a state obviously MDMA therapy very good for lowering that sort of safety threshold making people feel a little bit more comfortable going into difficult places same goes for ketamine Psychotherapy yeah okay so um here are my thoughts on it um I think if you use plant medicine and you use it uh with the int intention of giving you another perspective about yourself or your life or your past and you go into it with that intention you go into it to to understand or

to learn and make it reverent and there's rituals and there's ceremony and you you you can get really into the experience uh and have an intention I think it's great I think it's great and I I've just used him a few times and I had great moments but but I've also seen people you know when I did my first one I sat next to some woman and I said H uh how many have you done it was my first one she said I've done 63 of these and she said I have cancer and I said

oh wow um you might want to try something else you know like I mean it didn't work 63 you know uh ceremonies times 64 right number 64 is the one yeah of course and then we've seen a lot of uh the veterans that we work with in the Navy Seals and prisoners now we do a lot of work in prisons now um we see the same exact thing that the that they they're they're stuck and they're traumatized um so um anyway change the person uh in in one state or another and get them uh beyond

the trauma in some way um and and wow there's amazing changes that that can actually take place in a person so must be interesting for you as somebody who's more familiar than probably almost anybody on the planet uh of higher States Of Consciousness experiences of observing them in other people of thinking about them yourself of all of the rest of it to then take probably the most reliable form of kind of catapulting you up there because you've got two types of perspectives here know what I mean so so the person then who does the the

the the the drug or the the the ketamine or whatever the point I'm making is that they return back into their life and they're they're still living the same life the Insight never changed their behavior right so when we start looking at the derivatives of melatonin that are secreted from the pineal gland um we're meas we're going to start measuring those actual endogenous substances that the pineal gland makes that is dimethyl tryptamine and all of its derivatives uh that are it's manufactured in the body so if we're seeing people's brains look like they're having a

full-on mystical experience then there should be information in of course so we're this an event in San Diego in uh in March we're going to start measuring those endogenous substances and the question is do you really need them you know do you really need that exogenous substance and and I think it's great I think it's getting another perception of the world another perspective of life I think it's I think it's great but if the person really hasn't changed that doesn't really it really doesn't help them it's not instrumental so but when people do have their

own internal experience without any EX enous substance and all of the derivatives are released and they fit in the same receptor sites and people understand how to activate those latent systems um I think it's way more profound for the person because it's not chemically induced it's it's it's the person doesn't feel it doesn't feel chemical I just say it feels electric it feels very electric very it's very electric well the idea of spiritual bypass of going to have this peak experience in the Amazon rainforest or in the office somewhere in a nice cushy room and

then coming back and not doing the integration and not making any changes and then just saying okay well I'm just going to go back and have the peak experience again over and over and over I I have a good friend who way before it was trendy had taken pretty much everything from a psychedelic standpoint and I keep asking him he's one of my most insightful friends keep asking what are you you you've been using these things or you used them so long ago have you got any temptation to go back and he says I'm still

learning so much from what I did back then sure and there's a lot of respect I have an awful lot of respect for someone that I've done the work and I'm still doing the integration well that sound it sounds like his personality type anyway is very inquisitive so I mean I know people do a lot of um U DMT and a lot of a lot of those substances or uh some of the other ones and and um it takes them years to be able to explain uh what has happened to them and and they they

said they lived felt like eternity and they were gone for for five minutes and so so those derivatives that are actually endogenously made in the brain you know from that little tiny gland that's in the back of your brain um that causes an inner Vision you know a profound in Vision uh causes you to see the part of reality that that you're unaware of you know that part of you that that that that you don't know about um and so that that uh by releasing those particular derivatives in in melat from melatonin and we we

have data that shows why why is melatonin so key um because tryptophan is an amino acid and tryptophan uh makes uh makes serotonin serotonin makes melatonin okay serotonin and melatonin are a function of this wavelength frequency called visible light so when there's light outside your eye is picking up information from your environment and the brain's switching on and the pineal glands making serotonin and that's the daytime neurotransmitter the inhibition of light or the absence of light is the loss of the wavelength of light and serotonin converts into melatonin and that kind of slows your brain

waves down and puts you into a state of Catatonia so you can rest repair sleep and and dream and so the body moves into this kind of Rhythm called the Circadian rhythm between wakefulness and sleep based on the wavelength of how much light is in the day and then when the light is gone so um that's normal but it's a function of light so when people are in a transcendental State and now they're connecting to frequency connecting to energy that's Transcendent of space and time faster than the speed of light quantum and their brain is

actually connecting through the pineal gland a little radio receiver in the brain melatonin can't be melatonin any longer because it's only related to the frequency and the wavelength of light now you're picking up a faster frequency melatonin upgrades and melatonin already causes you to dream but now you're going to really dream like loose a dream melatonin is already a powerful antioxidant you're going to make two of the most powerful antioxidants known to man anti-cancer anti-aging and anti heart disease anti-stroke anti-neurodegenerative anti-inflammatory antimicrobial take the molecule tweak it again melatonin already relaxes relaxes you now you're

going to make benzo dipene now you're going to really relax you're going to shut down the survival centers in the brain for fear for pain for aggression um uh melatonin already causes you to sleep now you're going to make chemicals that are going to cause you to hibernate like body's going to move into stasis no sex drive no appetite no preoccupation with the environment the body body is moving into a state of stasis that you'll forget that you even have a body that's a great way to experience another dimension take the molecule tweak it again

it's the same chemical found in electric eels what does an electric eel do it creates amplification of the nervous system so we see these high amplitudes of gamma that I mean very high like very outside of normal so the person then uh is is connecting to energy and frequency that they can't perceive with their F senses they dialed down their thinking brain they're suggestible to information they're connecting to frequency frequency carries information the pineal gland is a transducer it takes the information like a TV antenna and turns it into a picture in the brain and

so now melatonin produces all these derivatives that fit in the same receptor sites like serotonin and melatonin but it's going to it's going to create a whole different experience for the person so instead of them just getting dimethyl tryptamine they're getting the whole package of these derivatives we're just starting to measure them and so we see that tryptophan metabolism is elevated in our meditate uh the meditators that we measure which means that means the penal event using tryptophan very using as much as it possibly can uh to make these uh some of these derivatives so

we we'll we have devices now um that will be measuring um some of these derivatives just to see if it's the truth talking about dreaming and going to sleep I've heard you discuss the importance of just before bed and just after waking as an opportunity to investigate what's going on in the unconscious mind why why are those windows so important it's it's really related to serotonin and melatonin because when you are sleeping and you wake up your brain waves go from Delta to Theta to Alpha to Beta And you wake up in the morning and

then you're conscious and you're awake and you're back in three-dimensional reality when you go to bed at night and there's less light you're brain starts making melatonin you go from beta to Alpha to Theta to Delta and so um when you move from beta to Alpha uh you you stop your analytical mind and when you suppress your analytical mind you stop thinking and when you stop thinking your brain moves into Alpha so when you go to bed at night what do you do you kind of get in bed you get comfortable and you think of

nothing you stop thinking and you go to sleep and you kind of slide down the scale and if you can't stop thinking you can't go to sleep because your brain waves stay knows that well and you obsess and you overthink and you get all you're in a loop right so there's two times the door to the subconscious mind opens up when you wake up in the morning and when you go to bed at night so those are really key times um if you want to reprogram um your subconscious mind so I'm an early riser I

like the morning I'm like early early morning and and it doesn't bother me to get up in Theta it doesn't bother me because I know that um I'm going to sit my body up and I'm not going to let it sleep I'm going to linger between those worlds of wakefulness and sleep and rewrite a program rehearse a new script reite a new something what does that look like what's the opportunity how can people take advantage of that opportunity that Perry sleep and Perry Waking window that Lial state where a non-sleep deep rest state is we

just have great data on this it's it's it's the most important time for you to regenerate to repair to program the autonomic nervous system to re reprogram Behavior a habit unwanted you know emotional response the door is wide open you when you're in beta you're separate from the operating system you you can't get in there so you got to be able to get get in that St is what we do in the in the work we get people from beta to Alpha okay everybody from beta to Alpha okay stay at Alpha stay at Alpha stay

at Alpha now practice relaxing in your heart really relaxing more really relaxing more get your body in a light sleep but stay awake and so in that realm you're you you can you you can connect to energy and information and you can rewrite a program and so if you're a night person like I have plenty of people in my life that are night people they're musicians or artists or you know writers and whatever they just they just like 11:00 to 2 in the morning and songwriters they just that's their that's their that's their jam right

and then there's other people who are just like up early and they they're morning person or they like doing that in the morning so they're they they do it in the morning but it doesn't matter it's just whatever you choose um uh to get in that to get in that state and it's not something that you really have to try to do it's just something that your brain naturally does you can take advantage of it say Okay um how what's my best what's the greatest ideal of myself tomorrow how am I going to show up

what I learned from today that I want to stop doing uh let me remind myself of what I'm not going to do tomorrow let me remind myself of what I'm not going to think let me remind myself of how I'm not going to feel let me review these let me remember so I don't forget how do you avoid that becoming too analytical of an exercise cuz I can see how that could kick you back up into those more yeah yeah it's a practice it's a practice I mean it's it's it's the observation of self really

you ask the question and you observe ask so what are the cues let's what are you've just gone through some questions there what would be some great questions for people to ask themselves before bed and in the morning how' I do today how' I do today like if you have an intention for the day I mean you can't do this unless you're in the game you got to get out of the bleachers you got to get on the playing field it's no long this is where people leave the dinner table because this is where you

actually have to do something so so what is the how did I do today you what was you know when did I fall from grace what what was what are my triumphs what did I what I what was I victorious with what do I love about myself let me get my think box let me get this all worked out okay now I'm not asking you to do any meditation I'm just asking you to get in your think box while you're in this state and getting your think box is like asking yourself the question okay um

God I reacted to this person I felt this way okay let me just I don't want to react that way okay remind myself of how I'm not going to react let me remind myself of what I did let me just review how I was thinking let me become conscious of that okay let me I'm in my think box I got that down okay um what am I going to do tomorrow differently what am I going to work on how am I going to how am I going to be tomorrow how am I going to think

tomorrow what do I want to believe let me review this thought and fire and wired in my brain and get it to the point where I actually put an intention and feeling behind this belief okay how am I going to behave tomorrow with my co-workers you know whatever how am I going to feel tomorrow let me just review that now get in your think box and go over all of that and then when you get in your play box you're out of your think box there's no thinking in your playbox there's thing you get all

that thinking worked out in your think box when you get time to play um that's when you surrender that's when you open up that's when you get creative that's when you let it go and you go to sleep and what about first thing in the morning first thing in the morning what's the greatest ideal of myself that I can be today what's my jam today how I how what am I going to be today let me remind myself of the things I want to change about myself I can it's too hard I'm never going to

change uh um I'm not going to complain today I I know I'm not going to blame anybody I'm not going to judge anybody this is I got to remind myself so I don't go unconscious if I start feeling this emotion you always default to this emotion I'm going not going to think positively I'm just going to keep my energy up I'm going to keep my energy up all day today I'm not going to do that okay so what do I want to feel let me start start practice let me teach my body what it feels

like let me bring up the feeling so many times that I can bring it up on my own I want to remember this feeling so I don't forget it okay how do I want to behave let me how am I going to be how am I going to think what do I want to program and and and and start off if your personality creates your personal reality it makes sense then if you're going to create a new personal reality you got to change your personality that's the first step right and I think most people try

to create a new personal reality as the same personality it doesn't work we got to become some body else so that's what the word meditation means it means to become familiar with to become so conscious of your unconscious self that you don't go unconscious to it you're so familiar so conscious of your unconscious thoughts behaviors and emotions that you wouldn't default and become familiar with a new self you know how you're going to think how you're going to act and how you're going to feel that's that that's the process if you were to design a

daily routine or elements of a daily routine that are accessible and based on what your research and your experience has come up with are the most powerful so that people could tactically get moving on this stuff what would what would be in the top three okay um uh certainly uh the basics what I just talked about that whole thing personality and personal reality change your personality how you think how you act and how you feel if I do change the way I think change the way I act change the way I feel my life should

change that's the first experiment okay second experiment if you're living in stress and you're living in survival and you're living your brain and body are out of balance then your brain's out of balance it's incoherent you're incoherent so practice this kind of focus that we call a broad focus focus on nothing we have this meditations 20 minutes your brain starts the different compartments of the brain that were modulated or compartmentalized or divided because of the hormones of stress they start synchronizing they start firing together sinking and linking in the brain so the act of doing

this causes the whole entire brain uh to beat at the same Rhythm to all the networks are whole where can people get that meditation uh on the website on my website and then and then we teach a lot of heart coherence you know get your heart back into balance as well there's a another 15 20 minute meditation and then and then there's one where you get them both working together synchronize your heart to your brain I think um what happens for a lot of people is um uh they start realizing that they actually can uh

create that state where they feel good without anyone or anything so um you want to be able to to be in that field or be in that energy uh when you're when you're uh moving around in your life easy ones really easy ones too I mean ones that anybody can do what are you working on next um we have a documentary um that's going to be coming out really soon uh it really is about a lot of the science that we've done um it's coming along really well um the people that viewed it um you

know as a pilot uh really enjoyed it so that'll be something that we'll be letting out um we have tons of more research uh that we're constantly doing we have as I said earlier we have at least four or five papers uh that we're working on we're working with prisons now um in Mexico we've trained close to 2,000 people in a few prisons in Mexico maybe more than that now uh men and women's prisons we just uh did our first two um courses at San Quenton we have another uh prison we're working with and are

you going in personally to do this no I have I have trainers that go I really would you be would you be interested in going in and working inside of the prisons would that be an experience that you think for me oh of course yeah I'm going to I I'm going to go to to the the big one in in in Mexico City I mean these are very tough conditions and the warden is so impressed with these people all the changes that they've made I mean these are people that are at each other's throats hardened

they are they are constantly in survival they are they've had some brutal pasts and they were raised by monsters and they became one so um with no hope and and now there we did our first training uh three years ago and the changes were so dramatic in this women's prison I mean they were grooming one another they were laughing uh totally connected that all the other prisoners in the prison thought what happened to those people and so they they pushed the uh the the administration we went and did the whole prison and so uh then

we did all the men uh then we did all the guards and then we did all the administrators and then this one Warden uh at this one prison this this amazing woman uh had has did the has done the whole the whole entire prison so um yeah we're working with uh prisoners we're working with indigenous tribes now which is been kind of fun too uh and um yeah and of course the veterans and Navy SEALs Hell yeah Dr Joe despenza ladies and gentlemen where should people go they want to keep up to date with all

of the things you're doing yeah just the websites Dr jen.com Joe I really appreciate you thank you for to day thank you Chris thank you very much for tuning in if you enjoyed that episode you will love my three-hour conversation with Dr Andrew huberman which you can watch right here go on press it