I Tested 100,000 People's DNA. This Diet Will Kill You - Gary Brecka

no one really tells people that have anxiety what it is and this is why very often people don't have a specific trigger they can point to so they're trying to pin it on their outside environment but the truth is that they are deficient usually and Gary Brea he's a human biologist to spend 20 years working in life insurance predicting when people are going to die to the nearest month and now he's on a mission to extend your life a couple of days ago someone did a swab inside of my mouth what was that test and

why did I do it you did it to look at whether your parents gave you a gene mutation and it's one of the most overlooked things in all modern medicine because it's this deficiency that leads to some of the most common ailments that we suffer from mental illness ADHD OCD manic depression bipolar Sleep Disorders very severe gut issues I mean there are so many that don't seem to be fixable with conventional therapies or dietary changes because very often disease is not happening to us it's happening within us and I'm not going to stop getting the

message out to the masses because I just think about all the times I could have made a real material change in somebody's life and I didn't have the opportunity to do it and felt like I was you know sitting behind a thick glass wall just watching blind people walk into traffic now I got a chance to make a difference so what are like the simple things that we can be doing to prevent us even getting these chronic diseases so there's five things that I would commit to doing on a regular basis bis number one is

upon waking I would I wanted to invite in Dr Carrie sard who's going to give me those results of my test I want to know if there's any sort of Health implications that I should be aware of okay so that right there is an issue congratulations diio gang we've made some progress 63% of you that listen to this podcast regularly don't subscribe which is down from 69% our goal is 50% so if you've ever liked any of the videos we've posted if you like this channel can you do me a quick favor and hit the

Subscribe button it helps this channel more than you know and the bigger the channel gets as you've seene the bigger the guests get thank you and enjoy this [Music] episode Gary Stephen good to see you back throw me off it's good I know I knew I threw your game off there Stephen um great to be back man it really is if someone's just clicked on podcast mhm and they're wondering why they should stay and listen you're going to direct the conversation I'm going to go where you want to go I'm going to follow my curiosity

and ask questions but what are they going to get from this conversation today if you are at the driving wheel I'm just date on how to live a healthier happier longer life and maybe answers to some of the most um pesky health related challenges that they're having and I and when I say pesky health related challenges I mean everybody has these little tiny anchors off their Stern right weight gain water retention brain fog lack of focus and concentration poor waking energy lack of deep sleep and it's shocking how many of these conditions have a common

repository I mean they like the Hub of the wheel where they all meet all these individual spokes come together at a common Hub of methylation and the and and methylation is essentially nutrient deficiencies in the human body and I don't usually start off with this analogy but I'll start off with an analogy um when I was in grad school first of all I'm a human biologist I'm not a physician my undergraduate degrees are in biology my postgraduate degrees are in human biology but when I was in my second four years of of grad school getting

human biology degree I had to I had to take all these plant botany courses which I hated because I was like I wanted to study like anatomy and physiology in human beings but I'm studying algae and and but the one thing that stood out to me about plant physiology was let's say you have a a palm leaf that's rotting in a palm tree and you call a true arborist a true botanist out to your house and they see that that leaf is rotting in the tree they won't touch that leaf they will cortest the soil

and then they'll say you know what Stephen there's no nitrogen in this soil and they'll add nitrogen to the soil and the leaf will heal only we've stopped thinking about human beings this way we've lost a lot of faith in humanity and Mankind the body's ability for this to heal this and we believe very often and this is true in some cases that disease and pathology are happening to us not something that happens within us and if you go back to the tree analogy you know you could put anything you wanted on that soil right

you could supplement for the sake of supplementing and I think a lot of people get lost in this realm where well I heard NN is good and Resveratrol is good and CoQ10 and St John's Ward and ashwag gandha and vitamin C and I should take a multivitamin you know pretty soon you have this paralysis of analysis because you're supplementing for the sake of supplementing and in the trees's case if you didn't find the nitrogen the leaf never would have healed and and the reason why most of a supplement for the sake of supplementing is that

we don't have data we just don't get data on our bodies you know when when when I bring and you you run into a lot of a lot more young entrepreneurs than I do but when I run into them and I'll bring them up sometimes when I'm doing a stage talk and you can question them um about their priorities like what's the most important thing to you my health um how important is Health to you oh it's the number one priority I have and I say what come on up here and let's let's talk about

you know how much you're you're prioritizing your health and you said um you know what kind of business you have a marketing agency what is your business earn on a monthly basis $148,000 a month what's your net income $ 38,2 a month how many employees do you have 16 what's your hemoglobin A1c blank right where are your testosterone levels um how much are triglycerides you ever look at your C reactive protein and their face is just blank and we have more data on our businesses than we do on our Temple and you know I I

actually saw you on a stage talk I believe it was um and you talked about how you could take anything away from me in my life you you refer to your dog and your girlfriend yeah I remember hopefully you still have the dog and the girlfriend but you said you know if you took my girlfriend away you took my dog away I don't want I don't want to get you in a fight with your girlfriend so let's talk about the dog so you took my dog away I still have my business I still have my

life all right but if you took weigh my health I'd lose everything right and I think most of us don't realize the importance of it until it is taken away and so recognizing that that the temple is the most important vehicle that we have I just really encourage people to get data basic data on their body so they have some kind of road map so they are supplementing for deficiency not just the sake of of of supplementing and that they're getting the most out of their body because that's what they're going to get that's how

they're going to get the most out of their business you know I mean just picking up these little tiny anchors that are nibbling away at productivity you know people that suffer from ADD and ADHD don't really realize that ADD and ADHD very often are not attention deficit disorders or attention deficit hyperactivity disorders they're actually attention overload disorders and we characterize people that have ADD as as not being able to pay attention but the truth is they they don't lack the ability to pay attention they lack the ability to pay attention to so many things and

if we understand that this is an overactive mind not a mind that's trying to pay attention to too many uh too many things then we can go about quieting the mind and not stimulating the central nervous system to match that pace of the mind which is kind of what ader all in five ANS and and um uh amphetamines do when you when you when you take them for ADD and ADHD so if we understood that as normal or as good as we think we feel we have noide idea how good normal feels until we find

the missing raw material in our body and we put it back you want to see magic happen in human beings find the raw material that's missing and put it back in their body and by raw material I mean simple things you know I mean depending on who you talk to there's 72 minerals I think 16 of those are essential minerals there are there are two essential fatty acids there are eight essential amino acids it is astounding how many people are clinically deficient in some of those basics and then they go searching and all of the

esoteric Super Supplements and red light therapy and and Ned boosting supplements and they're actually just missing that one of those raw materials basic essential amino acids basic fatty acids and basic minerals and that's where all human beings should start and then from there we should do some testing biomarkers in the blood in my opinion every human being should do a genetic methylation test the very same test that you did whether they do through me or not a genetic methylation test is a test you'll do once in your lifetime and it will tell you exactly what

raw materials your body can convert into the usable form and what it can't because in human beings just like in that tree analogy when you have a deficiency you get the expression of disease you know when we you talk about deficiencies it brings me back to something I think we talked about briefly last time which is it makes me feel like humans are being born broken is that true because if I've got if I'm deficient in something that my body needs then does that not mean that my body was born broken it's not that it's

born broken it's just not functioning optimally right and and all of us have um genetic Snips we have these they called single nucleotide polymorphs we have these um are genes which are coding for enzymes to conduct these different activities in the body and what is a sounding about human beings is is how beautifully intricate the human body is we take one raw material Cal we put it into a physiologic process and then we take the waste product from that process and we feed another process and on and on so for example we'll take um folate

from green leafy vegetables we'll convert that into methylfolate methylfolate becomes one of the most prevalent nutrients in the human body it helps to downregulate an inflammatory amino acid called homocysteine which then turns into something called methionine which then goes up to the brain and helps to quiet the mind so you start with this green leafy vegetable and it winds its way all the way up to helping you sleep and it's not that the spinach leaf is helping you sleep it's what the spinach leaf has become that's helping you sleep and this sequence of events is

called methylation and what's astounding about methylation is that in many cases when it's broken while we can't fix the gene we can just supplement for its function so the most common gene mutation in the world which we talked about last time on your podcast mtfr affectionately called the [ __ ] Gene um 44% of the population has this gene mutation I talk about it all the time and it's a simple inability to to to convert folic acid and its derivatives um folate into the usable form called methylfolate well it's very easy to supplement with methylfolate

and very inexpensive I might add to supplement with methylfolate and deficiencies in methylfolate are are linked to all kinds of conditions including neural tube defects because it's not fic acid that prevents neural tube defects it's methyl folate that prevents neural tube defects it's what the body converted into the usable form and so when we look at um methylation in the human body we get an exact road map of what we need to supplement with so that we're not wandering around just supplementing for the sake of just supplementing you mentioned the entrepreneurs that you meet that

you bring up on stage and you ask them various questions and then you ask them about sort of biomarkers in their body what are the simple biomarkers you think that everyone needs needs to understand because listen I'm not a chemist I'm not going to be a biologist so if there's a couple of them I can probably get my head around them and stay on top of them but I can't stay on top of everything yeah so there there I would say three okay number one is um what's called glycemic profile which is a a check

of how well your insulin and sugar metabolism is and it has three markers glucose hemoglobin A1c 3month average of your blood sugar and Insulin so definitely your glycemic profile because blood sugar I promise you is the root of all evil so first I I would do your glycemic profile Second I would do um your hormones can I just check on the glycemic profile that's basically my relationship with sugar that's your relationship with sugar and it's it's also your relationship with insulin because you know very often even people that don't eat high amounts of refined sugar

and Ben and& Jerry's Ice Cream every night have issues with insulin sensitivity and so as insulin res Rises it causes a whole Myriad of conditions it's one of the Hallmarks of something called metabolic syndrome which we're seeing in younger and younger populations and it's generally easy to catch early on you have three markers that look at how well you're regulating your blood sugar glucose which is a measure of your the amount of sugar in your blood right now hemoglobin A1c which is essentially a three-month average of your blood sugar and then you have your insulin

and the higher your insulin relative to your blood sugar the more insulin resistant you are right so the more insulin it takes to drop your your blood sugar the more resistant you are to insulin this is an early warning sign of metabolic syndrome but it's not just the metabolic syndrome it's that when insulin Rises there's a whole Downstream Cascade of events because insulin is not just responsible for helping us metabolize sugar it's also responsible for blocking other forms of energy use in the body one of which is fatty acid metabolism and so generally people that

have very high insulin have very high blood triglycerides they have high blood fat and high blood fat and elevated cholesterol are other markers for cardiovascular disease so by actually bringing down one biomarker you have a positive effect all the way Downstream and I would say if you're only going to look at three things I would look at um your glycemic profile your your blood sugar and your insulin and your hemoglobin A1c hormone panel okay um so looking at your hormones and then specifically looking at what contributes to healthy hormone production DHEA and protein called shbg

and then I would look at basic nutrient deficiencies um vitamin D3 magnesium potassium and um vitamin B12 which are on most blood panels and that is a great place to start to get the basics how am I regulating my blood sugar are my hormones balanced what nutrient deficiencies do I have and then the second piece of information I would get which you only do once in your entire lifetime is is a methylation test and these are these are widely available you know all over the world I'm sure they're very easy to get in the UK

and you want to look at five genes mtfr MTR mtrr ahcy and C Mt and just to be clear so I can dumb this down for myself here those five genes relate to how my body processes the things that I put into it at different stages in that sort of processing line yes I mean so so take for example that Gene at the top Co Mt um if you look at what comp t do it stands for catacol o methyl transferase so it's a fancy way of saying it transfers a methyl group from the category

of neurotransmitters called catacol amines and that's a huge mouthful but essentially what this means is these four neurotransmitters that are called catacol amines are responsible for our fight ORF flight response so for example if you drove home tonight and you got out of your car and somebody was standing in front of you with a knife MH right you would instantly have a fight ORF flight response your pupils would dilate your heart rate would increase your extremities would flood with blood you would begin to have a fight ORF flight response based on that stimulus but you

could also be laying in your bed at night and you could start thinking about getting eaten by a shark and you could have the exact same response because the brain doesn't really know the difference between perception and reality the the similarity between these two events a very real fear and a reaction to it and an imagin fear is they both meet at cacam meines it's ack R in the same class of neurotransmitters so now some people are very slow to break these down and what are the consequences of this well if you've ever had anxiety

or know somebody that's suffered from anxiety no one really tells people that have anxiety what it is they describe the feeling so they say it's a fear of the future it's um it's a sense of impending doom it's a sense of anxiousness but what is it physiologically what's going on in the body well very often it is a rise in catacol amines the same class of neurotransmitters that are that are involved in a fight ORF flight response and this is why very often people that suffer from anxiety don't have a specific trigger they can point

to they could be on a podcast like you and I are going doing right now and all of a sudden as those catac colomines rise they get that sensation of anxiety and they're trying to pin it on their outside environment they're trying to look for a cluster of symptoms outside their body but this is because they are deficient usually in a complex of B vitamins um a very specific form of B12 called methylcobalamin methylfolate these methylated nutrients that that downregulate these catac colomines what else could it be well I mean there are true anxiety disorders

right um and generally people that have true anxiety actually know what the trigger is they're afraid of heights they walk to the edge of a 30th floor balcony they have an anxiety um attack they have a fear of flights Is this different from so someone's been through a trauma in their life so they had an early trauma and then certain things in their adult life end up triggering that mhm this is that's very different from what you're saying here so some people that have trauma and they wake up for example consistently in the past right

their first thought of the day is about the pain that they are already suffering from well these thoughts fight or flight thoughts these these thoughts have a tendency to be worst case scenario because they are also highly related to camines in fact people that have that gene mutation fall into one of two categories think about it this way if catacol means rise very fast you're a warrior and the nickname for that Gene is either a worrior or a warrior because as those catacol means they call it fast comp tea or slow comp tea so just

looking at this one gene mutation if you're slow to break these catacol amines down and they rise what are the consequences of that um I lay down to go to sleep at night and I'm body tired but I'm mind awake right my mind is just clicking through the day thinking about the most innocuous little thoughts um I have a tendency when I consider scenarios to go straight to worst case scenario I'm an overthinker um I I am prone to anxiousness and anxiety I walk around at a six instead of walking around at a two so

things that would only move somebody from a zero to a two take me from a six to an eight very often people in their surrounding environment will say the punishment doesn't fit the crime the way that they react to certain situations so this means that the mind is in awaken State a heightened state of alertness think about a fight ORF flight response but not quite to that level but they're in a heightened state of alertness and this gives you that that feeling of anxiety now what's driving the catac colam meines can have different drivers it

could be this gene mutation it could be trauma it could be the presence of a real fear could be that you're claustrophobic and stepping on a crowded elevator but for people that have not isolated trauma in their life they have a tendency to consider worst case scenario they find that their mind is very active at night interrupts their sleep or if they get up to go to sleep at night and they go back to bed and they can't fall asleep because their mind is awake thinking about the most innocuous little thoughts they have a tendency

to be anxious they have a tendency to be a worrier they have a tendency to have feelings of anxiety that are not tied to their outside environment those are all Hallmarks of that gene mutation so can I view this as a predisposition I you know I I often wonder why we can all be in the same situation but we can have entirely different experiences um in the case of anxiety some people as you report just for some reason they're just more anxious in the n in the modern world than some other people aren't the modern

world has changed we use screens and we have notifications and we have all this stimuli they're struggling more in the modern world than others um what you're suggesting is that they could have a predisposition to worry more because of these catacol means because of the catacol means yes catacol means norepinephrine epinephrine a fedone dopamine one of those we call also call Adrenaline and so you have the main driver of behavior and you have catac colomines and we all know that adrenaline does in the body so when these four neurotransmitters are not downregulated right then our

mind is awake and it is very often fearful think about somebody who has a sensation of impending doom or anxiety without any any trigger and and and the other Hallmark is they will have had it on and off throughout their entire lifetime even when they were a child when they were a child they might have understood the complex sensation of anxiety but they had that sensation and then as they grew to be an adult they understood that this is anxiety I mean when you when you're when you're a child you're just fearful right I mean

you don't know how explain to your mom hey I'm worried about something that is might happen in the future that's probably not likely to happen that's never happened but I'm still afraid it's going to happen it's a very complex emotion right so they've had it on and off their entire lifetime it's very hard for them to point to the specific trigger that causes it the majority of the time if they tried anti- anxiety medications they don't work they just make them feel like a zombie so this is time to look inside and make sure the

body has the raw material it needs to do its job which is the complex of B vitamins to dismantle catacol amines so if we went out onto the street now and I pulled in a 100 people just off the street that were walking past and we did these three tests on them to look at their glycemic profile their hormone panel their nutrient deficiencies what are some of the most popular things that a random group of people off the street would be missing that are Central to their high performance um so let's let's take men and

then we'll take women so so we can be specific about hormones so in 50% of that population you would see a clinical deficiency in vitamin D3 I have to say you've actually you actually run a lot of tests every single month yes tens of thousands we run 20,000 a month we do about 20,000 Gene tests a month I mean so so one of the uniique things about the perspective that I come from is we have voluminous amounts of data you know we see 20,000 of these new um patients a month testing for for genetic methylation

and on a lot of these patients we also have blood work so we have a full what's called a CBC comprehensive metabolic panel lipid panel hormone profile a full thyroid panel we have their nutrient deficiencies that I'm speaking of um we have cholesterol triglycerides so we have a pretty we have about 74 biomarkers on them then we also get this genetic test and then we look at what happens to certain biomarkers on average when you when you simply supplement for deficiency so for example I'm not saying that every person that has high blood pressure or

hypertension has this gene mutation but two of these genes are highly linked to poor homosysteine metabolism and there have been plenty of peer viewed studies we can put the link to the one below in the Journal of hypertension um which linked higher levels of urinary catacol amines to an and urinary homocysteine to um uh cardiovascular disease because what happens is when you have a certain amino acid in particular rise in the blood called homosysteine as this amino acid Rises it has a tendency to cause the vascular system to constrict and if we make the pipe

smaller in a fixed system pressure goes up but there's nothing wrong with hard right and so think about the fact that 85% of all diagnosis of hypertension is idiopathic it's of Unknown Origin well of Unknown Origin means we can't find anything wrong with the heart we've tested the heart EKGs eegs stress tests die contrast studies cardiac cath what have you but we we haven't looked at the vascular system we haven't looked to see was there a simple nutrient deficiency keeping this person from breaking down homosysteine which caused the vascular system to constrict because we know

that there's a correlation between this amino acid homosysteine and its elevated nature and and increased risk of cardiovascular disease so before we actually went the routes of chemicals and synthetics and pharmaceuticals why wouldn't we just test to see see if we have an issue um dismantling this amino acid you know breaking this amino acid down into something called methionine and why don't we supplement for that deficiency and see if by putting that raw material back into the body and bringing homosysteine metabolism into normal we can normalize this person so back to your question without the

people in the street you would see that 50% of them are clinically deficient in vitamin D3 coloc calciferol you know the sunshine vitamin um the darker their complexion the higher the uh risk that they would be clinically deficient in vitamin D3 and if if you put vitamin D3 at the center of a hub of a wheel and looked at all of the different spokes it's one of the only vitamins that human beings make on our own I have argued and and um people have counter argued but I take the position that it's arguably one of

the most if not the most important nutrient in the human body you need you need a lot of essential nutrients but if you really start ice ating them you know vitamin D3 is the only vitamin that human beings make on our own um every cell in the body has a receptor site for vitamin D3 when we're deficient in this vitamin um this nutrient acts like a hormone sometimes it acts like a vitamin other times we make it from sunlight and cholesterol when it's deficient we have a compromised immune system we know that it leads to

osteopenia osteoporosis there all kinds of consequences that you wouldn't think stem from a simple nutrient deficiency but they do one that we get from going outside in the sun we get it from going outside in the sun we make it from sunlight and cholesterol um and and you know if you look at you know Co statistics it was the second leading cause of morbidity in Co um and so so first you would see that they're D3 deficient the majority of them are also B12 deficient if you look at the vitamin B12 you'd see it's less

than 500 um the higher end of B12 is around 1,50 and then you would see 25 to 40% of that population would be hormone deficient meaning that their hormones would be out of the optimal range but not because they have an endocrine system issue per se generally because they have especially in younger ages nutrient deficiencies things like elevated shbg sex hormone binding globulin deficiencies in DHEA raw materials that the body needs to manufacture hormones so a good hormone panel will tell you not only what your hormone levels are but what some of the nutrients are

that are your body's using to make those hormones and again by by putting some of these raw materials very often DHEA not all the time but very often putting DHEA and vitamin D3 alone back into men with deficient levels of testosterone or deficient levels of free testosterone or looking at a protein that interrupts the conversion of testosterone into free testosterone called shbg by actually just addressing these you see that the hormone levels rise back to the normal range they don't need to take hormones from outside the body and shut their production down they need to

put nutrients and raw materials back into the body so their body can produce hormones on their own and then if you looked at their glycemic control you would see a shockingly high percentage of people that are pre-diabetic it is an absolute pandemic right now because the amount of processed foods we we think that the pre-diabetes um you know is only because people that are eating a ton of sugar so they must be drinking soda and eating chocolate cake and Ben and& Jerry's every night but that's actually not true when we overload the body with high

glycemic carbohydrates even if they ate a lot of white flour white rice white bread white pasta white potatoes and fruit you know they I'm not saying any of those things are going to kill you but when we eat diets high and refined carbohydrates even things that we don't consider to be sweets it overpowers our pancreas and our blood sugar gets out of control but wouldn't you want to know that wouldn't you want to know that um do I have some of these nutrient deficiencies or hormone imbalances or poor blood sugar control that could be nibbling

away at my performance am I maybe one raw material one methylated multivitamin away or an amino acid away from being in a state of being optimal maybe even not having to deal with little things like um intermittent feelings of anxiousness and anxiety or poor focus and concentration or even mild states of mood numbness remember that nutrients Amino for example in our gut become neurotransmitters neurotransmitters form the basis of all mood they drive our emotion they they um they govern our behavior and so is it possible that an amino acid like tryptophan or phenol alanine or

tyrosine which become serotonin and dopamine the deficiencies in these amino acids could lead to deficiencies in hormones which could actually lead to deficiencies in neurotransmitters that would be labeled of mental illness yes so again I feel I feel like I'm eating your face a little bit but but what I what I really mean to say is that you know if if we would get basic information basic data on the body hormone balance um glycemic control nutrient deficiencies if we would actually look at what our body can convert into the usable form and what it can't

and supplement for that deficiency you would see your body begin to thrive in ways you never thought possible you work with a lot of high-profile individuals as well I do what are some of the high-profile names that you're you have permission to share well clearly anyone that's shared their their Journey with me on on on the podcast um it was a great hit piece on me in the Daily Mail that had listed I listed a lot of them um but uh Dana White um Steve Harvey uh Stephen A Smith um Steve Aoki um Kendall Jenner

and and I were on a uh one of her Hulu specials uh together running some IVs there are few others that will be public here very shortly that have got on podcast with me and I and it's I don't necessarily want to be known as like a celebrity biologist or or working with um just working with professional athletes and a-listers it's my message is for is actually for the non-woke biohacker like I don't feel like my job is to sit here impress you with how smart I am I feel like my job is to put

information out to the masss that that is educational enough to inspire them to make a change and and I think all too often we you know we're we're all competing for eyeballs in this in this space and we're trying to become the biggest influencer and we we really forget about the mission of speaking to the masses and we just start speaking to each other like we we want to get on podcasts and Stage talks and interviews and impress people with how much we know about the carboxylic acid cycle or you know electron transport chain or

something going on inside of the mitochondria and and those minute nuances are not what's going to impact Humanity a lot has changed since we last sat down in your life it has yeah really has I feel like I feel like I live somebody else's life I really do what's what's changed I mean when I when I first reached out to you it was because I saw a clip on YouTube which had 20,000 views and that clip on YouTube I found really interesting so I think I I personally sent you a DM and said hey Gary

TR to come on my show which I to be honest never personally send the DM because yeah because my team way our system works here is um they understand what I'm interested in and curious about right now so they'll go out into the market and try and find people for me they'll bring those PE those people to me as a pitch they'll pitch the individuals to me and then I have the say whether I'm curious enough to sit down and have the conversation right now I made it twice right so in this case it was

I I've seen something you You' done online I don't know more than a year ago now it feels like and it was really compelling to me so I wanted to sit down with you since then I've observed you you've kind of had this sort of meteoric rise um on loads of different podcasts and social media and your business has exploded there is something different about you and the thing that's different about you that strikes me is you strike me as a man that has been through some [ __ ] oh yeah frankly yeah because because

the the Gary that I met the first time versus this Gary slightly different and it's the type of thing when someone's been through some [ __ ] M and with all good things come the opposite yeah it's unavoidable yeah I mean you you you go under a level of scrutiny you know you start off you're like so excited you're like I'm going to get the message out and God God's blessed me with the ability to take Ultra complicated information distill it down and get it to the masses and then you realize that there are people

that are watching your videos like a three-hour podcast and they're looking for the one gotta moment right he said sodium chloride not sodium hydroxide scam artist charlatan you know he pretends to be a doctor he's not a doctor I've never pretended to be a doctor you will not find a a video a stage talk a podcast that anything in the media where I've ever represented that I'm a doctor I go out of my way to say that I'm not licensed to practice medicine so yeah I have become a little more gun-shy and a little more

guarded um with what I say it's an effort to be more precise with what I'm saying um but I'm not going to stop getting the message out to the masses because I know that this is God's calling for me I know that because I spent so many years of my life not in service to humanity and I think a lot of people find their purpose in their pleasure and I found my purpose from my pain what pain you know when when um when I was doing life expectancies and and and mortality predictions um we were

sort of brainwashed to believe that this was just data right you weren't responsible for it you didn't have anything uh to do with this person I was on a mortality team and uh we were charged with predicting the life expectancy of people for um large life insurance and investment companies so when you apply for a large life insurance policy you know everybody's on an Actuarial curve right so you're on one I'm on one everybody listening to this podcast is on an actu curve what happens is when a life insurance company is getting ready to put

10 million or 20 million or $50 million worth of risk on your life only one thing matters how many more months do you have left on earth and the science of predicting that mortality is very accurate science I get a lot of flak about it but if you want to know how accurate life insurance companies are at predicting death just look at what happened during the 2008 2009 Financial Services crisis we had we had 364 Banks fail not a single life insurance company failed a valid death claim in the United States has never failed to

have been paid they are some of the most solvent institutions in the world there's not another financial services Enterprise anywhere on the planet that would take that level of risk on one variable I mean you have an investment fund you wouldn't put that level of risk on a single variable right how many more months does this person have left on Earth and they have data that no other medical Enterprise has they have data that no other Collegiate university has not even the government has they know the day the date the time the location and the

cause of death for millions and millions of lives so they know what leads to early mortality and so how do they get your sort of Health bu markers to overlap that with well first of all they do a blood test on you so if you've ever had a large life I'm not talking about term life insurance where you get $100,000 or2 200,000 or even a million dollar term life insurance policy I'm talking about permanent universal life or whole life life insurance um also annuities when when you um there's something in the States called a spia

single premium immediate annuity where you give the insurance company for example a check for a million dollars they guarantee you an income stream for life well how do you think they're determining that income stream they they're predicting how many more months you have left on Earth and they they use morbidity factors and co-morbidity factors and yes they factor into to your your recreational profile your demographic profile it's not as simple as a blood test or a gene test but essentially what you do is you start on a curve in a pool of a thousand lives

that are similar to yours and and your life expectancy is the dead center of that curve so if your life expectancy is 200 months that means in 200 months you have the exact same chance of being dead as you do of Being Alive Now what determines your increased probability of death or your mortality factors are you obese diabetic anemic you have cognitive decline are you compliant with with your medication you know there are all of these different debits and then there are certain debits that we called comorbidities right so if you hypertensive that was a

debit if you were if you were diabetic that was a debit if you were um obese that was a de debit but if you were hypertensive diabetic and obese it wasn't 1 plus 1 plus 1 it was 1 plus 1 plus 1 equal 10 right these were massive co-morbidity factors my job was to read the medical record and do the medical record extraction and we had incredible data on on on these people you saw their trust um and you saw their Wills their trust their divorce decrees you knew that they were treating their children differently

in their in their estate um bank accounts brokerage accounts tax returns um and their medical records and you have recent blood work on them but when you read a medical record on somebody there more than just their height weight and blood pressure and the medications that they're on you really start to get a profile from for a lot for the for the person and a lot of times I felt like I was really getting to know these people oddly because I had so much personal information on them and you know a lot of these people

came alive to me I know that sounds very strange but when you're reading about their repeated you know visits to the doctor and they're constantly talking about you know their grandchildren and then all of a sudden you see in the medical record where the husband passed away and then you see the anti-depressants creeping in and you see um their their waking their body mass index change and you you actually as you're going through years of their medical record you really get a real profile for them and I started to realize that there were human beings

on the other side of these spreadsheets and there were cases where I knew that if I could have picked up the phone and just contacted that patient I could have completely changed the trajectory of their life and I was prohibited from doing so by law and even at one point in my career I was threatened with prosecution for threatening to call a patient and warn them about um a a a life-threatening potential life-threatening drug interaction that I'd spotted in the medical record between two Physicians that had written contraindicated scripts and something called the MIB the

medical information Bureau hadn't uh picked it up and the data that I had said that this was going to lead to a thrombolitic event like a blood a blood collat of stroke you know heart attack and embolism and um I remember calling the Human Resources Director and just you know basically saying that I'm going to contact this patient and and and being threatened with prosecution and I I think about it a lot and I just think about all the times I could have picked up the phone just made a real material change in somebody's life

and I didn't have the opportunity to do it and big part of my career felt like I was you know sitting behind a thick glass wall just watching blind people walk into traffic and so I wasn't in service to humanity all I wanted to do was be wealthy I was very unauthentic and then I just woke up one day and said what the hell am I doing I mean I have so much information I'm a human biologist and I I I've been studying this database for 20 years I could help people live healthier happier longer

lives and and I quit my career and I went home and told my fiance at the time now my wife that I wanted to start a wellness firm and that was the the the Genesis of of my firm streamline and part of the trajectory that I'm on and so it still sits with you every day really oh dude it's it's well it it sits with me in a good way because you know whereas before it's it's really hard to imagine you know somebody coming into your office and going hey you know Gary oh my God

remember the um you know the Mrs Smith life expectancy we we we did 13 years ago you know you did this life expectancy was 188 months you predict 188 months she died in 184 months oh my god did a great job it's amazing that claim just paid and like is it really amazing you know um when you start to realize that was somebody's you know it's like somebody's sister or Somebody's Daughter Somebody's Mother you start to realize that I I allow myself to be brainwash and just think that it was data and forget that there

was human beings on the other side of the the spreadsheet and so now I'm sorry I'm getting emotion but but um you know now I wake up every day and I like open my eyes and I go [ __ ] yeah you know I got a chance to to make a difference and and I talk about the research and and the fact patterns that we saw in predicting death and I want to counter those so that we can extend life um so we can help people live longer healthier happier lives so the counterarguments that you've

experienced you know you use the word counterargument and H HIIT piece what do those sort of counterarguments tend to send on as it relates to your work obviously you talked about the doctor thing I've definitely made some mistakes you know I I I made a mistake earlier in my career of quoting articles and not and not research which I regret and I and I've made some of those mistakes I think very often what I try to do is is simplify the message I talked for example about a 2018 study we should put the link to

this um which was in the Journal of um uh headaches and face pain there's a journal of headaches and face pain I want to say it was 2018 there were 8,819 participants in this metaanalysis so a very large um analysis and they found a direct inverse relationship between sodium intake and migraine headaches and meaning that as sodium levels went up migraine headaches went down now by no means am I telling everybody that has a migraine headache that you need to take a little bit of salt and you're going to be fine what I'm saying is

on your on your comprehensive metabolic panel you can see your sodium level when your sodium level gets to a critically low level which believe it or not quite a few people have people that regularly sa up people that exercise and don't remineralize with electrolytes people that drink um filtered bottled water in an effort to filter out fluoride and microplastics but don't remineralize their water get nutrient deficient sodium and you know remembering that the brain actually doesn't have any pain receptors but the covering of the brain does you know something called the dura and the dura

hates two things it hates being stretched hates being contracted and what what determines whether or not it's stretching or Contracting is something called the osmotic gradient the movement of water across the membrane and yes it can be as simple as supplementing with sodium my preference would be Baja gold sea salt or Celtic salt um so that you get all of the other trace minerals as well um to permanently put migraine headaches into remission and then you know out come all of the Physicians saying there's no evidence of that well clinical trials on that and the

other the other tool that I have in my chest is for 20 years I worked with one of the largest databases in the world and we're at the point now where we see 20,000 new Gene tests a month I don't know many clinics that are that busy so we have voluminous amounts of data we see what happens when you have high homosysteine and you put them on you put a patient on amino acid called trimethyl Glycine and the homosysteine comes down and then they go to their doctor and their blood pressure is normalized not once

not twice not anecdotally thousands and thousands of times you see what happens to people when you bring their hemoglobin A1c and their insulin back down into the optimal level and their triglycerides return to normal and their risk for cardiovascular disease declines you see what happens to C reative proteins when people take simple things like silic Clays um and activated charcoals and so I want to keep getting the message out that very often disease is not happening to us it's happening within us and very often it's happening because of deficiencies in the human body not pathology

in the human body and you know in in in the United States we we're by far the largest spender of on Healthcare you know we spend four and a half trillion dollars a year on on Healthcare in the US we have the highest infant mortality rate we have the highest maternal mortality rate um even though we lead the the world in flu vaccinations and breast Greening um and breast cancer screening and colar rectal screening we also lead the world in cancer um we're ranked 52nd life expectancy we're ranked 39th in in healthc care delivery um

we're one of the most obese Nations on the planet twice the rate of obesity of any other civilized um nation and yet modern medicine being you know medical era being the third leading cause of death is where we're going to get information on how we extend our life and I watched in medical records I've probably read thousands of times more medical records than most Physicians cuz I read medical records all day every day six days a week for for almost 20 years and I would see what would happen when simple deficiencies would be mistaken as

a pathological condition and I've talked about these a lot um like clinical deficiencies in in vitamin D3 for prolong periods of time eventually present as rheumatoid arthritis like symptoms people get joint aches and pains and and stiff and sore ankles and they have a hard time making a fist and and you know when you're speaking to the wrong physician very often a doctor doctor will diagnose you based on your medical history not before they do SED rates and rheumatoid arthritis you know actual blood uh checks they'll say you know what Stephen you've got rheumatoid arthritis

and they put you on on things like corticosteroids and in the mortality space we had data so we had data on all of these Pharmaceuticals so we knew the trajectory of of hormones and cell walls and cell membranes and um production of vitamin D3 when somebody took a Statin and reduced cholesterol and we looked at you know they the studies will look at cholesterol in a complete vacuum so LDL cholesterol high so that's bad let's bring LDL cholesterol down with a Statin so we decrease the risk ofio cardiovascular disease but then you have a concen

outcome where you you're reducing the ability for the body to make hormones and cell walls and cell membranes and so you buy yourself a consequence Downstream when really if we go back to just studying the physiology of the human body when we in in the mortality space I don't think I saw a single centenarian once and we processed hundreds of these death claims I don't think I saw a single centenarian that at the time of death did not have clinically elevated levels of LDL cholesterol so it begs the question is simply having high LDL cholesterol

on marker for um longevity or is it a a marker for cardiovascular disease that needs to be intervened with a chemical or a synthetic and and these corticosteroids that people are put on you know very often they they they're they're any inflammatory in the beginning but then they eat the joint like a termite and and so these were resulting in voluminous amounts of joint Replacements so accurately that we would we were able to predict that the course of some of these medications would result in a joint replacement in roughly six years and so we would

artificially Advance people's age six years and we would actually schedule the joint replacement for them and then we would reduce what's called their ambulatory profile how well they ambulate how well they moved and as we reduce their Mobility we could bring in all of these diseases that exacerbated with reduced mobility and in my mind I'm just watching all this happen go I wanted to call this these people and say I'm not qualified to do that because I'm not licensed to practice medicine but I I wanted to call them and just say Mrs Jones stop taking

the corticosteroid start suppling vitamin D3 get your B2 level to hear let's fix your hormones because this is killing your Rebel all count and this is what's leading you to be so exhausted and and no one was looking at at these basic nutrient deficiencies that we would see run in blood work that would cause all of these diseases to exacerbate and people were succumbing much earlier to death or to the loss of their healthspan how many records do you think you saw in your time why you saw the full picture I would be working on

two or three of these four of these cases at a time some were shorter cases some were longer cases thousands I mean thousands and in the tail end of my career I started to manipulate the um record artificially just to see what would happen to the life expectancy I would never submit that as a report but I would say what if I fixed the anemia what if I actually just corrected the D3 deficiency what if um you know I and I was able to um take out the pre-diabetic condition or reduce their hemoglobin A1c and

you would see the life expectancy jump right and so these are modifiable risk factors and I think how many times you know I would be reading a medical record i' go well I know what this is going to happen this is just going to get worse because this patient has anemia like the classic treatment for some anemas is folic acid B12 and and iron and they would give him folic acid B12 and iron and it wouldn't correct and they give him folic acid B12 and iron they wouldn't correct folic acid B12 and iron wouldn't correct

then they wouldn't realize that um that person can't process folic acid if they gave him methyl folate methyl cobalamin and iron bisglycinate they need would correct but these are all sort of symptoms of further Upstream issues right like something that a decision that someone has made in their life typically typically that has caused them to develop these conditions which far down the stream like the tree you talked about with the bad Leaf doctors then point at the leaf and go we need to fix the leaf but it's down in the root somewhere so what are

the what are like the societal and individual level things that we can be doing to prevent us even getting these chronic diseases is like the simple simple things I'll tell you the simplest thing that we can do first you we should think about having an an invisible fence around us right like like a little force field and we should filter things before they make it to the temple um because either we can filter things for the temple or we can let the temple be the filter so you can drink tap water and if you drink

tap water your body will filter out the fluoride the chlorine the microplastics the Pharmaceuticals or you can filter your water before you drink it right and and take one toxic load off your body so what I would say is probably five things that I would commit to doing on a regular basis number one is upon waking I would I would drink a mineral mineralized water I would take 10 ounces of water and I would add either a Celtic Sea salt or a Baja gold salt to my water the reason for that is that most of

us are deficient in some or several of the trace minerals in our body the boring ones boron manganese malum selenium and Stir It Up and just whack it back the second thing I would do is you're not talking about table salt here no no no not sodium chloride no I'm talking about Baja gold sea salt that's probably the best salt that you can put in the human body because it has all 91 trace minerals it's tested down to 250 parts per billion um from microplastics and glyphosat-prozess that with Celtic salt right and if you can't

get Celtic salt then you could move to a pink Himalayan sea salt the problem with pink Himalayan sea salt recently is that a lot of it has um heavy metals because it's coming out of China so I would say the best salt is Baja gold a a great salt is K Celtic salt and a decent salt is pink Himalayan sea salt forget table salt I would just get that permanently out of your life okay so number one I have my b mineralize mineralize um and then number too I would I would take a DHEA EPA

fish oil supplement or a a fatty acid supplement with DHEA or EPA oil um an MCT oil I'll take a fatty acid um oil in the morning an Omega supplement an omega omega 3 an omega3 supplement and then I would develop a morning routine that included the basics from Mother Nature sunlight grounding breath work cold shower okay so I want to zoom in here on grounding mhm I'm a huge fan of grounding my girlfriend grounds and again listen my girlfriend's much smarter than I am it transpires because everything she says I think I said this

to you last time everything she says to me eventually I sit here with like a neuroscientist a year later and turns out she was absolutely right and I thought she was a little bit cuckoo for thinking that getting outside in the morning and putting her feet on the ground were at all beneficial but I've been told time and time again it is what is grounding and why does it help so we get three things from Mother Nature right we get magnetism from the Earth we get oxygen from the air we get light from the sun

the further we get away from those things the sicker we become really yes absolutely magnetism piece it sounds like uh like a spiritual cuckoo stuff yeah I mean probably 10,000 years ago they probably thought the same thing about gravity you know but um but the Earth has a low gal current right I mean we were meant to spend 85% of our time outside we spend 97% of our time indoors now the truth is most of us are not getting enough Sun we're not getting too much sun we're not getting enough on and you know because

of the way we eat and Seed oils and everything that are that are oxidizing in our skin our cancer rates are are are exploding but not because of our sun exposure it's because of our our diet and we can talk about that later but when you touch the surface of the Earth when bare feet touch bare soil grass sand we discharge into the Earth and by that I mean you actually change the polarity in the body and this is measurable in fact if you want to do a little experiment um find find somebody that has

a microscope a basic microscope and get a slide and just take a prick prick your finger and take a drop of your blood and put it on that slide smear it around and look at it under the microscope I think I have a video of this on my Instagram and what you'll see when you look at your blood in real time is you'll see most of your red blood cells are stuck together and clumped up not clotted but they're attracted to each other because when cells have the same charge they repel when they repel it

increases the amount of surface area that that cell has to contact the outside environment so now it can exchange waste it can eliminate waste detoxify repair can regenerate so imagine that you have bloodstream full of red blood cells and they start to get opposite charges so they attract and when they attract they touch and everywhere that they touch that cell loses surface area to exchange with the outside environment when you touch the surface of the Earth for a few minutes you will repolarize those prick your finger 10 minutes after you come inside put it back

on that same slide look at your blood it's going to look like eggs slither around in a bowl of oil they will bump into each other and they'll be sliding around but they will not be clumped together and stuck so what's going on then it must be what coming through my feet the charge coming through my feet yeah so you're actually discharging into the Earth you know you're exchanging um ions it's a low gas current so like a magnet you're exchanging ions with the Earth and you're discharging you're you're you're grounding what if I live

on the ground floor do I still have to go outside yes so you got to touch bare dirt soil grass sand why can't I if I live on the ground floor why doesn't the floor in the lower floor of the house because they that that insulates you from um from the Earth's magnetic field it's usually steel concrete wood there's other barriers tile asphalt there are things that actually prevent you from actually contacting the surface of the Earth you know there there there are grounding mattresses that you plug into the ground wire and then um that

ground wire if you if you look at how you know grounding a circuit occurs at some point is running directly into the ground there will be a pole in the ground that is connected usually by copper to that wire and connect it to your outlet to ground that outlet can't I just get some kind of mat that has the same charge you could get a pmf mat but again you know one of the things I get a lot of flack of is is saying that you have to buy all this expensive equipment so there's two

ways to do it you can buy a pulse electromagnetic field mat a pmf mat I have one um they cost about five grand um so if you got five grand lying around it's one of the best investments you can make you put it in your bed you go to sleep on it you you run it you run a low gous current at night it will help get you into a deep sleep you'll wake up alkaline every morning um it will push the electr smog right out of your your body um because pmf gets rid of

electr smog 5G Wi-Fi when you say you wake up alkaline every morning so when you change the um so the pH of the blood is is a pretty narrow range it's about it's about 510 of a point it's about half a point and it's a complete fallacy that you can change the pH of the blood by drinking alkaline water alkaline water will actually actually change the pH of your blood if you want to change the pH of your blood amongst other things you you apply a low gous current pH stands for potential hydrogen it's a

charge and so by running a low gas current through the body or touching the surface of the Earth you actually can move the pH of the blood slightly and that does an alkaline state is a disease-free State the more acidic we get the sicker we become and so um and so if we want to move the pH of of the blood slightly if we want to wake up alkaline if we want to run a low gous current through our body we can either touch the surface of the Earth or buy a pmf mat so so

they've done tests where someone lays on a p fmat for a certain amount of time they then do a blood test and they find that their blood is more alkaline yes yes and that that separation of blood cells you can see instantly um getting off of a pmf met again I've got videos of me doing this to my production manager on um you know in my house breaking his finger putting it on the on the slide putting on the uh the pmf and actually looking at it afterwards the second thing I would do is I

would learn to do breath work I use something called a hypermax which is based on um Dr Van Arden and Dr Auto warberg um Nobel prize winning work and that is the it's called multi-step oxygen therapy where you actually take an oxygen concentrator you fill up a bag full of 900 lers of 95% O2 and you actually just breathe that 95% O2 for 10 to 12 minutes while you're active on a treadmill but if you don't want to have an ewat exercise with oxygen therapy machine you can learn to do breath work engage the auxiliary

muscles of respiration get oxygen down into the loes of your lungs and out of the Apex of your lungs one of the one of the articles that I quoted that turned out not to be a study and I still can't find the reference for it was that after age 35 90% of people will never Sprint again and again I haven't been able to find if that came from a clinical study or it wasen an article but whether or not that's true the vast majority of people stop engaging their auxiliary muscles of respiration you know really

exercising our diaphragm using the intercostal muscles between our ribs pushing air down into loes of our body and as our posture collapses and our CO2 Rises you know if you think about the expired air in your body from the tip of your nose and the tip of your mouth all the way down your esophagus out your bronchioles into the farthest reaches of your lungs that's all expired air until you get the oxygen all the way down and out to the edges of the lung you're not getting oxygen into the bloodstream so as we age and

our posture collapse our respiratory rate gets more and more shallow we're essentially hyperventilating carbon dioxide right and which is accelerating aging I mean aging is the presence of oxygen is the absence of disease and so by just learning how to do breath work so one I would ground two I would I would learn to do breath work I do a whm Hoff style of breath work I do three rounds of 30 breaths with an extended breath hold every single morning is the one thing that I never ever ever ever Miss why ever because I make

little promises to myself and I try to keep them and I find that I lose confidence in myself when I consistently break really small promises to myself um and I think a lot of people do this and our bodies crave consistency and so you lose confidence in yourself you say you know I'm going to go to bed at you know 10:30 tonight and you go to bed at 1:00 a.m. you know and then you say I'm going to work out in first thing in the morning and you actually don't work out or you get up

in the morning you say I listen to that podcast I'm going to do what Gary said I'm going to ground and get some sunlight and I'm going to do some breath work and then you actually don't do it so the little internal promises that you make to yourself and I feel like a lot of people break these little promises to themselves they're not making them to their spouse or to their kids or to their Partners or you know they're they're not the big promises that everybody knows about and I think it nibbles away at our

self-confidence and our own ability to trust ourselves and so I have a morning routine um I'm very consistent with it but the one thing that is portable for me is the ability to get outside and ground and do breath work and I never ever ever Miss I can't even tell you how many years I've gone without missing a single morning of breath work the other thing that it does for me because you know human beings crave consistency so if within 30 minutes of waking every day no matter what time zone you're in you're doing three

rounds of 30 breaths your body begins to zero in on that and it begins to understand that that's the morning this is go time and so simple to do you know when I'm here I wake up I might be at a different time because I'm usually on the East Coast so I wake up earlier here but I go I open the door I go out on the balcony I sit on a chair it's nice and cool outside I face the Sun and I do three rounds of 30 breaths every single day my partner brought me

one of those big red light panels for Christmas it was my Christmas present and funnily enough guess what my Christmas present to her was as well [ __ ] yeah you get a bed or did you get the panels the panels it so funny you get like juo or I have no idea what' you get okay I have no idea the brand but but she brought me one it's like a small one and then I was like babe open your present and then I opened she opened hers and hers was like a big one she's

like literally half the size of me so it's was quite so swapped um but we now both use it it's a bit of a routine in the morning we wake up we go and sit down by it and I'm not really sure what's it's doing I've just heard a lot of positive things I've done a little bit of my own research on it and how to use it to make sure I'm not like killing myself somehow but um what is it doing and why should everyone consider getting one so it's it's referred to in the

literature it's photobiomodulation photobiomodulation so if you want to look up any of the clinical studies put photobiomodulation and and then put and dementia and Alzheimer's and skin and um inflammation and and the studies will come up but basically different nanometers of of of Light have different effects in the body and um so they are um well researched and and publicized to reduce inflammation um increase microvascular circulation so the smallest of the capillaries in our body are affected by light um they have a a very specific effect in the mitochondria the PowerHouse of the cell so

if you actually went through the wall of a cell and into the cytoplasm and found the mitochondria and you went into the mitochondria you'd see that there's a motor in there that's spinning around it's called the KB cycle and this motor when it spits out energy called ATP um you know essentially it has two choices every time it makes a revolution right it it can either create two units of energy or it creates 36 units of energy it's either 16 times more efficient or 16 times less sufficient and what determines that is whether or not

oxygen enters that cycle so one of the things that red light does is it goes through the wall of the mitochondria and it kicks out a gas called mitochondrial nitric oxide and forces oxygen to dock so when you get into a red light therapy bed or use red light therapy panels one of the things that's happening is you're essentially forcing oxygen into the mitochondria you're forcing the oxygen to use mitochondria and release a gas called mitochondrial nitric oxide this is also measurable by the way you can get saliva nitric oxide strips you could put it

in your mouth and before you got in a red light therapy bed you could look at the saliva um the amount of nitric oxide in your saliva you'd see it's like a pale kind of yellowish pink then you get in one of those red light therapy beds for 20 minutes and about 10 minutes after you get out test it again you'll see that your Nitro oxide levels are through the roof that's a positive sign that the mitochondria has thrown this gas out and brought oxygen in and it's imagine what happens in a cell when you

give it 16 times the amount of energy so imagine upstaging trillions of cells to allow them to eliminate waste repair detoxify regenerate just by using light it also has a very positive effect on collagen elastin fibrin um it's known to improve angiogenesis the new blood vessel formation I was I was on the uh Joe Rogan's podcast a few months ago and um he ended up buying one of these red light um beds uh from me and we installed it in his house and he told me about four or five weeks ago that he's no longer

wearing wearing readers anymore like his his eyesight has improved that much and he said he's starting to really notice the changes in his skin so photobiomodulation is very real and it absolutely works but um you know without people having to think that they have to spend that kind of money on a red light therapy bed you can also just expose your skin to sunlight especially during first light the first 45 minutes of the day when there's no UVA there's no UVB there's high amounts of healthy blue light um you can still generate vitamin D3 let

me just run that back so I'm clear um on the point about Rogan's eyesight I did some I was looking through some research about the impact of red light on eyesight and it said that it's good for eyesight and so incredibly good for eyesight because I was wondering whether I should be looking at this thing while it's on yes and then I went online Googled it had a rumage around and it said you can look at it you can stare at it you can yeah you can because remember there's no UVA there's no UVB um

and and and some of the marginal information that comes out about red light being damaging to you you you have to remember that red light is a spectrum infrared for example is a spectrum most most red light therapy beds run from 600 um nanometers to about a th000 nanometers wavelength of light as you get above that you're you're in the infrared Spectrum but you're going all the way to 1,00 maybe even above so so in other words when you say infrared light this is a non-visible spectrum of light but there's a there's a broad number

of wavelengths right so an infrared um red light bed will have infrared light but it will be very low in the Spectrum so it doesn't create heat doesn't excite a chromophor that creates vibration and makes you sweat when you get an infrared sauna you're getting very high into those wavelengths you're exciting in different chromophor in the body and your water water to be specific and it vibrates and creates heat and you start to sweat so you don't sweat in a red light therapy bed even though it's infrared low in the Spectrum but you do sweat

an infrared sauna um even though it's infrared light it's high in the Spectrum so the infrared light and the red light that comes from Red um red light beds and red light panels and face masks is incredibly beneficial for you I mean I I would be scared to even tell you all the the positive outcomes that we've SE in people that regularly use red light therapy because you can't really make medical claims around them but I can tell you firsthand we have seen just astounding things that people would probably consider Miracles with red light therapy

you mentioned the first 45 minutes of sunlight mhm first light cuz I'm try I always try to try and figure out the sort of evolutionary backstory to red light and where it came from in nature and why it was good for us as humans and why we've lost it those are the three sort of questions we're really photovoltaic beings I mean we're very tied to this Cadian cycle of the sun I mean light causes the body to behave in very special ways I mean you know you probably heard that getting first light can actually reset

your circadian cycle and do more for you to sleep that night than probably just about any other sleep habit so your sleep routine really starts with your morning routine and it has a an effect on cortisol receptors it has effect on dopamine I mean on on melatonin receptors remember cortisol is a hormone that responds to light right I mean um when our light when our eyes are closed and light is passing through our eyelids it has a tendency to raise our cortisol levels which is why they tell you not to use blue light at night

right you're stimulating cortisol and you're stimulating awaking hormone when you actually trying to go to sleep so by getting first light you're you're you're telling the body that it's that it's morning you know you're you're raising cortisol you're downregulating your melatonin receptors you're getting healthy blue light into your eyes you're getting healthy light onto your skin there's no UVA there's no UVB none of the damaging rays of of the Sun and in 15 or 20 minutes if if you stack them all together you can ground get do breath work and get sunlight just try for

seven days what if I have the red light at night time is that going to check my body into thinking it's the morning no the red light won't won't do that it's completely different it's not the it's not the blue light spectrum that we're talking about so I can have red light anytime day you can have red light anytime in fact red light I find it very relaxing I sometimes will do my um my red light bed right before bed sleep like a baby we've been doing that as well at home so I was just

checking I did Google to to see if it was something that would wake me up but no you're right blue light is the thing that wakes us um bit of a tangent but I just saw you have a gulp of that water M what is in that water hydrogen water why hydrogen water this is a little hydrogen generator I don't know if you can still see that but there's um what it's doing there's a there's a little pick it up and you'll be able to see in the a little electrolysis pump down there and it's

and it's basically adding hydrogen gas to the water there's not much left in there but if you if you fill it with water you can see that I mean it is fascinating I am so con that hydrogen water is the best water that you can put in the human body and there's a there's a website called hydrogen studies.com that has about 1350 studies um on the site you can go to hydrogen studies.com when you get to that site you can actually search um by human clinical trials or animal clinical trials so you could sort out

and look at human clinical trials and look at all of the ways that hydrogen gas is used in therapeutic treatments reducing inflammation and improving the absorption of supplements improving improving athletic performance delaying um uh addressing delayed on said muscle soreness reducing neural inflammation I mean there are so many clinical trials proving the efficacy of hydrogen gas in the body and people do hydrogen gas through a nasal canul through ear culus through eye canes you can breathe hydrogen gas but by drinking um hydrogen water you have a very positive effect on inflammation in the body when

you pump that hydrogen into there doesn't it just come out the top no it's sealed so it's under pressure so what it does is it forces the gas back into the liquid okay and so the liquid actually gets has a high part per million concentration of hydrogen gas the colder the liquid the more gas you can dissolve so it takes about 5 hours for it to dissipate from that um some people use hydrogen H2 tablets um I just use this this hydrogen bottle and I take it literally everywhere I go I notice when I don't

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sign up enjoy and let me know how you get on one of the that's been been really sort of pertinent in culture at the moment is this subject of a zmek mhm you know since we spoke it's got even more popular um and it's everywhere I looked yesterday at the company that make a zek and I believe if my Apple stock app wasn't deceiving me the company's worth trillions now oh I'm sure yeah zmek and so zic is is um a peptide called stide um it's glp1 inhibitor there's there's another one called tepati which actually

did better in side bys side iCal trials than stide and that's the wagi version um or the mjro version um seaglide I think is OIC and wovi but these are great for for people that have um that are typ two diabetics or that are morbidly obese and have issues with Cravings um that have that have either diabetes or or or significant obesity I think that they' become drugs for vanity and what people are realizing now is all of the issues with castric emptying paralytic gut um the fact that when you start to paralytic gut paralytic

gut which is where you actually get paralysis in in the gut because one of the things that they slow is gastric emptying and so if you slow the rate of gastric emptying very often contents can purify um in the gut and it's not that I'm totally against these these peptides if you use these peptides you have have to be in a weight training program so you have to be um doing resistance training because a third of the weight that you lose as much is half of the weight that you lose in some in some of

the studies is lean body mass so if you're taking a seatide or tepati you want to make sure that you're also on a i our clinical team would put you on a peptide a growth hormone peptide like sorin hypom Morin to muscle protect and then also make sure that you're on a a a good strength training regimen because just taking these you you don't get to spot remove fat and so what happens is you start to aggressively mobilize and metabolize fat very often from the cheeks and from the face and people are getting stide face

or wovi face they're saying now where like their cheeks get really sunken in their eyes the fat pads beneath their eyes um are metabolized their eyes start to look like they're sunken in so if you're morbidly obese or or have a significant amount of weight to lose you struggle with Cravings you have you're either severely pre-diabetic or you're diabetic I mean they can be lifechanging but for vanity purposes I I don't I I think there are a lot better peptides and a lot better ways to do it what's your life like these days it's amazing

you know I I think I was telling you before I got on the show today that I feel like I live somebody else's life I really do I I've I can't believe that I found something that I would otherwise do for free and somehow monetized it and you must feel the same way you know when you're when you're doing a podcast and you know your your message starts to resonate the calor of PE calor of people that it attracts I mean the rooms that you get to get in and for me I have a insatiable

level of intellectual curiosity like I'm super super curious and the fact that I get to sit down with people like yourself but some of the greatest Minds um you know in in the in the world that are studying longevity anti-aging biohacking um cancer mortality um Sports Performance it's it's just I pinch myself I mean I really do with our privilege comes our pain yeah what's the pain um you need to be honest with me here because this is why we did started this podcast many years ago um you know for me um the pain is

that as I've as I've become more popular I guess um and as the message is resonated I've become a little more distant from the the folks that I initially sought to serve and support I had a lot more individual reaction I mean uh interaction in the beginning and now I just simply can't interact with a number of people that would like me to that actually do need me and I've turned my attention to trying to train and support the training of as many qualified people as I can so we can really touch the masses and

I had no idea how much the message would resonate and it resonated in a way that overpowered my company and you know one of the worst things is kind of collapsing under the of your own success um and that didn't quite happen but you know the the message began to resonate and there was so many people coming to take our tests and seek our services that really really needed us and I felt the burden of of that need um we were for a period of time unable to respond we were overwhelmed and that turned a

vitrio in some cases um that's stabilized now but um you know it's kind of the it's kind of be careful what you ask for um because you might get it but by the same token I wouldn't I wouldn't change a thing I feel like the most blessed person in the world what about the Family Impact because you got kids and and all that you know that is the greatest blessing for me my my kids are landing at um LAX and and within a few hours they're in the air right now um so I've got three

children and the oldest two work for me full-time and and my daughter just graduated from nursing school she's starting her PhD in nursing my son's about 14 weeks behind her so they're both going for their their phds and nursing so they'll both have their doctorate in nursing and that is the greatest blessing in life is when your you see that your kids have a passion because I feel like you can teach your kids anything but you can't give them a passion and the and the fact that they think enough about me and what I'm doing

to want to follow in my footsteps is that is beyond anything I can't even put into words because I travel with my kids I I see clients with my my my kids you my wife is also in in the business and I think the pace of our life would be a lot more difficult if I didn't have my family around I saw Dr petera talking on a podcast once and he I'm paraphrasing so I don't know if I'm getting it right but he said you get 19 years with your kids the first 18 is from

when they're born to when they're 18 years old and then they're gone the last year is spread out over the entirety of the rest of their lifetime and I thought how sad because I spend more time with my kids now than I did almost since the day they were born and they're just becoming these adults that really inspire me and so I think that of all the blessings that God has given me that's the biggest one there are a couple other things that I was really curious about um when I know I was going to

speak to you today one of them was kind of what we were talking about there with your family which is just like the role of community which you we're clearly in a bit of a loneliness epidemic and I well um you know we knew in the in the life expectancy space um and this is a material fact that if you wanted to cut somebody's life expectancy in half and any age put them in isolation so if you put a human being in isolation you will cut their life expectancy in half how could you see that

in the data because you would there there was something we called a broken heart syndrome or caregiver syndrome um and it's it's well documented in the elderly um you know when you have a companion that you've been with for 40 or 50 or 60 years and that companion passes very shortly thereafter the second companion goes and I always thought that was a myth like a nice tale of heartbreak and love when we call it the broken heart syndrome was nothing to do with a broken heart but I mean the the emotional state I mean the

frequency in their body changes um and when this surrenders this surrenders the mind and the body when the Mind surrenders the body surrenders and there's a lot of emerging body of evidence to that's actually putting some science behind the the theory that emotions can make us sick and and I think everyone believes that and that that stress can actually um lead to pathology and lead to disease but um so you know that when we isolate human beings it's hard to completely isolate them but we know when we isolate human beings that that it it has

traumatic effect on life expectancy some of the worst science that we and research that we do is when we study components of the body or cells from the human body in isolation you take a cell out and you put it in a Petri dish and you look how it behaves in vitro and then you assume when you put that cell back into the body that it's going to behave that way because cells exist in communities too they exchange with their outside environment they eliminate waste they repair they detoxify they're they're a very active Community um

and so um you know the impact of community has a meaning all the way down to a cellular level they do animal studies on this kind of thing right oh yeah no question un loneliness and Lon and and and and isolation and it and it has a dramatic effect on life expectancy it's been a while since I've read an animal study but we knew that isolation had a dramatic effect on mortality so if when when a loved one got moved into an assisted Care Living facility or we looked at the proximity of family members to

a mother or a father that had just lost a grandmother or grandfather that had just lost one or the other spouse um and you knew that the family wasn't going to visit frequently and then now that person was in isolation um and when I mean isolation not completely isolated but they were isolated from daily activity that had dramatic effect on life expectancy it was it was a comorbidity factor that we used and mainly in the elderly but it would happen in younger ages as well so I I think that Community is increasingly important for me

you know I remember when I sold my company my my partner Grant card owned time told me he said your sphere is about to get a lot smaller and I was like that doesn't make sense um my sphere is about to get a lot larger and it was true what he said was very true you know my I spend the majority of my time with my kids um they're working for me full-time we travel together we see clients together um we're in the hunt together um they're big supporters of the business they caught the bug

they're in school together you know my youngest still still lives with with me so my my circle has gotten so much smaller even though you see me out there with like Dana whites and you know and in celebrities and athletes and those are those are the flashball moments but in my day-to-day and week to week and month to month I I'm I'm intensely surrounded by my family and a very small team that I have a high level of trust in that is really helping me continue to be in service you know to to the clients

that I'm working with what about retirement then in purpose and the role that plays in our longevity it's been a while since I I used to have the vbt the variable basic table memorized but there is a probabilistic factor um um for retirement and communal interaction and um I forget exactly what that the level of impact was but we had we had a probabilistic model where we would use this demographic data um but there is no question that mortality accelerates postretirement I don't know that I've delved enough into the science to really accurately comment on

it but it must have something to do with the loss of the sense of purpose when you look at Blue zones and and centenarians you know one of the one of the key themes even beyond the diet because you know the diets were very different you know Singapore has one of the longest life expectancies on Earth to eat the highest amount of meat Sardinia has very long life expectancies they eat they eat high amounts of bread pasta and flour um you know the Mediterranean Blue zones eat high amounts of of oils fish and fats but

what was a common theme between all of them was Mobility into older ages and a sense of purpose and there was no such thing as assisted care living facilities where assisted care was when Grandma and Grandpa moved back in with their kids and live with the kids until the day that they died and maybe her purpose was just to get vegetables that night for for dinner um and Grandpa's purpose was maybe to continue to make belts for the leather Smith down the road but they they had a sense of purpose when you think back to

your your job in life insurance and the the role that you had is there any parts of it that you look back on now and you think about the industry that are unethical because you can't reach out because of Law and privacy to these people as you've said that would be a violation of a variety of different sort of policies and stuff but is there anything else it within the the practice of it that you find unethical just the fact that you know I wasn't allowed to have any cont with the patient or the training

physician and I understand for good reason because most of the people that are doing this work are not licensed to practice medicine they don't want them jumping into the practice of medicine um but when you notice things that are obvious and then maybe you know that a doctor would have appreciated that phone call oh my gosh I didn't know that she was on that other script thank you for calling me I mean it wasn't to smch them or or or take over their practice of medicine but I really wish that database would see the light

of day the databases that are used in predicting mortality in my opinion could change the face of humanity I know why they won't because it would upend modern medicine in a way in my opinion that would be catastrophic destroy their business as well wouldn't it because they need people to die really they do because they don't want to be paying out well the you know annuities um need people to die life insurance wants people to to live a little bit longer okay oh yeah cuz the longer they live the more they pay the longer they

live the more they pay but annuities one but annui you've put down a deposit basically so they want that deposit they guaranteed me an income stream for Life W so if you could kindly expire tomorrow that would be good for me and the same companies do both same companies do both okay um there's something called a life insurance life annuity contract a lilac where you actually put an annuity and a life insurance policy on the same life and you can't lose I did a genetic test with 10x you did I did and um like you

said you're not able to give me the results of my test but I wanted to invite in Dr Carrie sard who's going to give me those results now and she's going to explain a little bit to me about my results and also what the test is and what it means for me so I'm very excited to see the results I'm excited for you to see them let's get her in a couple of days ago I had someone come to my studio and they did a swab inside of my mouth for something called the 10x genetic

methylation test I believe what was that test and why did I do it you did it to look at the five major genes of methylation so remember that if we pulled your entire genetic code we would get a lot of non-actionable information I could see that you have dark olive skin you have dark eyes you have detached earlobes but there's nothing you can do with that genetic information we want genetic information that's actionable so while you can't go in and fix the gene you can very often supplement for its function and the genes of methylation

are very special because they code for the process of converting one raw material into the usable form so in other words we take in folic acid or its derivatives but we convert it into a usable form called methylfolate and so this process is called methylation it's the most important process that human beings go through we do it 300 billion times a day and when you have breaks in certain genes this means that your body is not converting one raw material into the usable form and this causes a deficiency and very often it's this deficiency that

leads to some of the most common ailments that we suffer from Dr Carrie s hello thanks for having me could you give us a little bit of your bio and your background sure I my original training was surgical it was obstetrical and Gynecology and I just found that um more chronic disease was happening and people weren't really getting better and so my specialized training has been in functional medicine kind of a more holistic approach have two master's degrees in this and met up with um Mr Brea um eight years ago now it's it's been a

while and in a small room and and we started up um looking at these genetic tests and reasons that people were not getting better so I've got my test results here which full disclosure I'm yet to see so so Jack over here has put them on my iPad and told me that I can swipe up and look at them so what am I looking at here and what does it tell me okay so with your permission that we can share that of course cuz that's important only if it's good I'm joking well I do I

do want to tell you your your parents did you a solid yeah they did you won the genetic lottery so remember that in genetics I think people get confused jeans are like blueprints so your mother writes half of that blueprint and your father writes the other half and you're born with that you take that to your grave so when you do have something that isn't quite exactly what you want it to be variant is the term that we tend to use when that does happen we want to find out ways to work around that how

we color code this to make it understandable is if you have a kind of a normal copy and a normal copy from each parent that's green and if you have one copy from a parent that is normal but one copy that is not we're we're going to color that yellow and you have one of those and if you have both copies are not normal we that's red and you don't have any of those which is great and the significance to that is the green jeans will Code 100% you're good to go yellow jeans about 40%

Red Jeans 10 or less and kind of think of it like putting spokes in a wheel it just kind of clogging it up because these genes do follow a pathway it's the methylation pathway I like to think of methylation is activation like we talked about uh taking something raw bring it in and allowing your cells to convert it to what it can use so if you have any glitches in the pathway you're not going to be as efficient so you would want to correct for your one variant Gene there so you come in nicely with

that first Gene that's probably the most common one and that's the real popular one um we kind of take it next level we follow the pathway all the way up and the reason why this even matters is because it affects everything on you it affects how you sleep it affects ultimately down the road at a deeper level how you sleep how your thyroid functions how your gut functions how your moods how you detox especially heavy metals how you detox it affects your inflammation in your body how well you can fight for your radicals those are

all important things and that's why this is more than just data um it's real data so for if you do not correct your one yellow you're not going to be as good at doing all those things detoxing fighting inflammation your gut movement those kinds of things and it's a pretty simple fix for you if you don't activate or activate those nutrients then let's give you activated nutrients for example you most likely have trouble activating B12 that's probably an issue that that you not as efficient at of course you do it but you're not as efficient

at it because it wasn't green so we you would want to therefore take the activated B12 form the methylated B12 form so by doing that every day I kind of liken it to the road is broken but you've built a bridge over it so that's how you can um compensate for that Gene variant or that Gene break we like to kind of lovingly call them on my results it says one parent passed on a gene mutation which one was it so that right so so that's he wants to know who to blame so that's the

thing unless you tested your parents you're not going to really know who gave you what okay you do know that you had one that gave you a a normal Gene and one that gave you a variant and that's why it's yellow what else does this mean for me on a practical level does this mean that I'm going to like you know I want to know if there's any sort of Health implications that I should be aware of so anytime you have any kind of variant in your methylation especially in the lower pathway you have to

understand that it is going to affect it all the way up so when so effects can be all the way from Simple Sleep issues to all the way to not being able to sleep at all uh can be mood uh gut issues okay but you can take it out of the loop with the sment are you able to tell me about the worst sort of profile you've seen and the sort of real world World consequences of that when all five markers of their are are interrupted yeah we've seen them where there's a heavy mix of

red and green okay um and this is where you see significant um personality alteration significant um what we would refer to as mental illness severe ADD ADHD OCD manic depression bipolar um you see very high propensities for addiction because of the depleted level of dopamine um you see significant Sleep Disorders um very severe gut issues gas bloating diarrhea constipation irritability cramping that don't seem to be fixable with conventional therapies or dietary changes um those are amazing cases to watch the clinical team work with because by getting methylation right I have seen those cases solved by

our clinical team and and and and many of those symptoms become fully remissive and we get a lot of chances to make good people great but when you can materially change somebody's life um by fixing those gene mutations that's when you're really making an impact there's these five acronyms here comp and then it says mind ah HC y then it says mind MTR r r then it says upper gut MTR that says lower gut that's the one that I have this yellow one on and then there's the [ __ ] one I shouldn't say that

the m T HFR which is mind and gut these the five sort of factors for methylation which is really about how I process the ingredients I put in my body yes and I'm guessing that these are at different stages in my body so the ones that say mind are in my head MH the one that says upper gut is sort of higher up in my gut the one that says lower up is in my lower gut and then this Mt HFR that says mind and gut that's yes and the reason is that remember these are

sequential right so I always use the analogy that think it like a sandbag pass right so you have a bunch of guys lined up you have one guy that's taking the sandbags off the truck and passing it to the next guy and he passes it to the next guy and so on well if if early in that chain he was supposed to take 10 sandbags off the truck but he dropped four the best the rest of the line could do is six so in other words if an early Gene like MTHFR which is early in

the methylation cycle is impaired it impairs the entire Downstream and if several Gene Snips later you have another major Gene snip it will impair things further Downstream and so the reason why MTHFR is one of the worst to have but the easiest to fix is because it's the earliest in the methylation cycle okay it's first right it's first so if that's red meaning both parents gave you that gene mutation you could have consequences through the entire methylation cycle so is that what you tend to see if someone has the yes this is why if you

Google consequences of MTHFR or MTHFR and um miscarriages MTHFR and add MTHFR and ADHD mtfr and anxiety you're going to see hordes of Articles and and clinical studies linking that gene mutation to what seems like a vast Myriad of consequences well that vast Myriad of consequences is actually related to the gene Snips that are further Downstream but they're affected because they're not getting the raw material they need to do their job and and and in my opinion one of the most overlooked things in all of modern medicine as simple as this test is and as

easily and widely available as it is I'm surprised that more Frontline clinics do not do this because people do it once in their lifetime and they supplement for deficiency and sometimes you see miraculous changes in their life Gary thank you I'm going to put this these results my results in the description of this episode below exactly as it is here in front of me so everyone can see and the details of how I got the test Etc will'll all be available there for you guys to to check out as you know we have a closing

tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're going to be leaving it for the question that has been left for you is this one I wish I knew who your last guest was okay so they said they're quoting someone and it says galini said be the change that you want to see in the world what is the change you want to see it looks like goini you try to read this Gandhi Gandhi said be the change you want to see in the world what is

the change you want to see and how will you be it wow well I want to see people live healthier happier longer lives more fulfilling lives and and I will be that by continuing to get the message out and that's why I'm here and that's when I wake up a new every day and I can't hold a candle to Gandhi um but I will spend the balance of my adult lifetime continuing to get the message out Gary thank you so much um having getting to know you're on and off camera you're such a a genuine

true lovely human thank you and your intent and your intentions are so clear to me and so pure so you know I I've had loads of people reach out to me since our last conversation and speak to the value that your advice has had on their lives thousands and thousands of people I mean do that makes me I mean I looked at the last conversation I looked at my emails around that time I searched your name and when I say thousands I mean thousands and thousands of people that are reporting to have better lives happier

lives because they listen to that conversation so so awesome they probably won't be able to reach you so on behalf of those people I wanted to say thank you so much for doing what you do because it's very important man it's not always easy yeah but you know it's an occupational hazard yeah it is putting yourself out there in the world as I would know so thank you so much I appreciate your time super welcome [Music]