Mark Cuban On Illuminati, Klay Thompson Picking Mavericks Over Lakers, Luka, Kyrie, NBA & Shark Tank

the Illuminati we I've had people on here and they talk about the Illuminati do you believe in it no literally people come on and think it's real yeah I'm rich as I'm Jewish nobody asked me to join any of them secret societies right nobody I'm like hello can I at least get an invite to a cocktail party my hustle P the price want a slice got the roll of dice that's why all my life I been grinding my life all my life gruning all my life sacrifice P the price want a slice got [Music] the

hello welcome to another episode of Club Shay I am your host Shannon sharp I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay the guy that's stopping by for conversation on the drink today is one of America's most famous and successful entrepreneurs he created the world's first streaming platform he's one of the top 10 Wall Street trades of all time he's in the Guinness Book of World Records for the largest single eade transaction one of the most influential people in cable and sports industry self-made multi-billionaire Savvy entrepreneur internet Pioneer genius financier highly respected businessman a c celebrated Sports

owner he helped the Dallas Mavericks win their first NBA title in 2011 Prime Time television star he was a shark on the award-winning TV show shark tank as an executive producer for Academy award-winning movie mov bestselling author Avid philanthropist humanitarian and Mogul here he is ladies and gentlemen Mark Hubert what's up sh I love that intro man when you hear all those things you like damn I know I'm like no more enough enough enough you're just tell me I'm old that's all you drink Mark uh yeah do I drink yes okay well you know hey

this is my own KNC uh it's called shave by lorier you know what I think about Kanye a little bit but I'm a sipper right I'm not like yeah yeah I I ain't expecting you take this into the Dome Mar I didn't say I never have I'm just saying thanks for having me on thanks for coming on appreciate you oh so much Bo being a sipper yeah just a tiny ones so let's get right into it your big acquisition this off season was Klay Thompson yeah obviously you got Luca we know what Luca is you

have Kyrie a guy that can take make big shots tremendous handles how are you able to convince clay to come to Dallas when his dad wanted him to go to La he grew up as a Lakers fan Kobe was his Idol how did you convince him join us in Dallas I mean credit goes to Nico and Kyrie andj kid right they they know him they've played with him they understand him and that's literally why we brought niik Harrison in because of his relationships with players okay and so they went out and U spent time with

him got to know him better and really and I think clay was ready for a move right you know all the the grief he got last year particularly the way ended so the timing was right and you know kudos to K to Clay for being willing to make the move and kudos to Nico J kid and and Kai for making it happen is it hard to convince players when they've had such success in one local and they've been there for an extended period of time and that's their identity they're known he's always going to be

known as a warrior no matter what happens if they win a title here he'll still be known as a warrior is it really hard to convince players to join a new franchise when they've been associated with one franchise for so long they're the number one guy or number two guy or number three guy right if you're number one like Steph's not going anywhere right you can understand you know now the bronze moved around just for different reasons but um the the number two guy if if it's not going the way you want then yeah the

door is open but it takes somebody who's special um somebody who's got the confidence in themselves somebody who's got the ambition and somebody who really is got something to prove right and klay's got a lot to prove which is great CU those are the kind of guys you want on your squad right because they're going to go they're going to work harder than ever to to prove people wrong you come off one of your best seasons since you won the NBA title you get to the NBA finals Luca had an outstanding year I think he

finished top three in the MVP Kyrie was Sensational why weren't you guys able to get over that hump against the Boston Celtics you lose that series 4-1 Celtics are good they were very good right I mean they didn't have a lot of weaknesses and so um and in order to beat them we had to make a lot of Threes And we just didn't you know our our three-point shooting wasn't up to par where it was during the playoffs or the regular season we couldn't get stops like we needed to and we couldn't get the rim

to the rim the way we needed to when when Jaylen Brown is blocking shots at the rim and being a rib protector you know it's not your day so you know credit to them but you know adding clay adding Nai I mean we got better right you all this the following the previous offseason you added Kyrie you you know you trade make the trade for him but you signed and resign him in in free agency how would you how did you know that he and Luca would play play so well together because Luca needs the

ball Kyrie needs the ball to do what he thought but he can play off the ball how did you know that they'll work together because they're both basketball savants right they understand the game they know how to play they know what it takes to win they compliment each other in a lot of ways um you know Luc is big strong not quick where Kyrie's quick handles I mean they both got handles right out of the world handles but just plays the game a little differently and when you have a back court that can complement each

other and both are willing to um let the other guy lead when the time is right correct that's when it's going to work like when we first traded for him they were they couldn't figure each other out because they hadn't had a preseason together and then you know last year it took a little time I mean we didn't get it right at the beginning but by the end of the year they were playing off each other great it was like because you know Luc just loves the start a game by taking over and then Kai

is fourth quarter Kai right and if Kai is rolling lcas like like here you go and if Kai's not rolling goes give me the ball it's my turn right and when they got that respect and that relationship that's when everything changed but you know Kyrie had a history of what transpired I mean Cleveland and it was Boston and it didn't work out with uh the nest and they had so how do you deal with a player that you know might it might not have worked out over here it might not have worked out over there

it might not have worked out over there but you know what I believe in this player and it's going to work out over here how do you how do you assess that Mark you talk to him and you talk to people around them you watch what happens you know how their actions are when you watch Kyrie before he came to the Mavs even when you watch Kyrie after the game you know you see you see you in football right there's guys who will swap jerseys slap each other right and walk out the door and never

talk to each other again Kyrie is one of those guys like he's going to hug you embra yeah he's going to hug you like he's known you for 20 years and you guys are first cousins right and that says something when guys are getting that close to each other and so when you talk to players they loved them yes nobody had a bad word to say about kyed that ever stepped on the court um and so to me that was all we needed to know and then from there all the things you say well okay

what went wrong in Boston what went wrong um in Brooklyn a lot of that is maturity right but a lot of it was circumstances too right how often is co going to hit you know and lead to those circumstances and what we learned was you just let Kai be Kai okay you know and I love talking to the guy and I say this all the time like you know if you go back to your college days and you're sitting in the dorm and you're hanging out with friends there's a couple guys that just want to

get trashed right there's a couple guys that want to get trashed and talk about girls right and then you all are talk about sports Kai's the dude that's sitting there wanting to talk about world peace okay right why aren't we fixing this you know how do we end Hunger he's just got that he's got a heart of gold he's got a huge heart and he wants to help people you know and even if you look at his social media it's about his tribe right it's about the people around him and how he can lift people

up right his community and and that once we saw that I mean to me it was it was easy to to make that decision when you hear people like man they're misunderstood what was your perception of Kyrie before you actually got around Kyrie and found out what type of genuine person that honestly before I did the work I thought he was a team killer okay right I was just like cuz I never talk there was no point there was no reason for me to talk to people about him right it's just like hey if he

doesn't want to play When the Mavs come to town great right if things don't work out on another team great but you know when the opportunity to trade for him came like okay let's do the work and you know Nico did the work Jay kid knew him um Nico knew him for years and it was like okay let me talk to folks and everybody loved him and so then you looked at the organizations he was at and you know I'm that didn't help the situation yeah right and so I mean I knew all these owners

right and I knew the circumstances and and so you know it it wasn't a hard decision right what when you sit down and talk to Kai and you mentioned it earlier like you look at his social media feed and he's talking about things that normal guys his age probably not talking about but when he got dropped by some of these major sponsors what what did you what did you share with him I was like can I help and and obviously you know when it comes to shoes which is big money off Court we got Nico

Harrison right there right and so Nico gave him a lot of guidance and support he had talked to him and worked with him at Nike so Nico was great and you know I talked to Kai about business and he was just like Mark I just want to be myself leave the way I want to lead and be creative and he found a great deal right and he's been making it work if you notice the deals he signed since he came to us there's no problems right there's no issues because we just let Kai be Kai

and when you do that good things happen right now is it true that when Giannis was a free agent you did you want to tr trying something because I'm reading out it says like you passed on jannis no okay two different things right so when Giannis was getting drafted right right the that's when you passed that's when we passed right because we had Dirk and this was like 2012 I think it was or 2013 and we would just won the championship two years ago and so one some of our people wanted to go for Giannis

okay I wanted to trade down and we ended up getting Shane lar and not because so much of Shane um who could play but we needed that cap room to go out and try to sign somebody to to propel Dirk we wanted to go for the the gold again get another one right we wanted to get another one so you know but it's just the way it worked out and had we gotten Yannis we' never gotten Luca wow yeah yeah so is how do you make how do you how do you do that Mark because

you're like okay there's this guy here and we have a superstar already on the team and we're trying to maximize because he's not going to play another 10 years right so we want to maximize this so how do you really determine because you look at y like damn if we don't have you Luke but remember remember so Yan is coming out there were like I vividly remember there were two VHS tapes of him playing in the Greek League that was all they had to show me you know you know like the old school tapes if

you went into a yard s ride and you find these tapes you know when it's got lines and everything and it looks like some you know someone's mom shot it that's what it was right and look he got drafted at 13 I think or something like that and so you know it wasn't like every other team knew about it either but you know you have to respect Dirk you have to respect what he's done for us and I already know like Dirk if we had just you know instead of going for it in free agent

if we had just said okay this rookie is going to be great he would be like what a [ __ ] show with all love right because Dirk's all up but you know so you know just out of respect to Dirk it was my it was my final decision and um we went for it and we didn't get the free agents we wanted but that was the plan Does the Buck has the Buck always stopped on Mark Cuban's day yeah it's got you right it was my team you know it was my responsibility my final

decisions for better or worse right cuz I heard Jerry say Jerry says no one can run the Cowboys better than I can as a GM is that how you feel there's probably a lot of people who could run it better obviously someone's going to get the chance now but um but Jerry you know Jerry and I had a and the difference is between us is Jerry saw the whole thing as a business right right and when he talks about running this thing as a business and as a football team he's right right and they've gone

12 and five like three straight years right so it's not like they suck right and you know how hard it is to get over the home absolutely right it takes some luck and it you you know you're playing against Mahomes who's like the Michael Jordan in some respects of quarterbacks you know then there was Brady before him right um and so I I'm not disagreeing with Jerry I just think you got to give more credit to luck because luck has more impact than probably anything I could do or anything Jerry can do wow okay so

have you had conversations with Jerry about well Jerry I don't know maybe you let you know let such and such maybe it's a for I no I've had conversations with him in the past um but not about players right cuz I don't know [ __ ] about football players when it com I mean I got my own fantasy football stuff and my my son Jake is just all about fantasy football right um but yeah you you've gotta you've got to live it to make those kind of decisions but I've talked to him in the past

about coaching decisions and stuff but that was probably 10 years ago okay this Michael Finley uh Grant William they tell the story but I want to get to Luca I believe if Luca were to like train in the offseason get himself in tiptop shape I don't think Luca realize he's great I'm talking about he has he's Transcendent he's historically great but I don't think Luka realize how great he can be yeah yeah I mean look we all mature as we get older right and this going into a six year he learned he learned what it

takes to get to the finals for the first time and that tells you a lot it's like with Dirk when we lost in 2006 in the finals to Miami Dirk's attitude changed completely wow yeah Durk just became a different human in terms of preparation I mean literally like no alcohol during the season which wasn't how it used to be trust me you know no sweets no fried food during the season just complete about face on how he approached um his profession and Luc is smart like that too now you know I I haven't talked to

him this offseason about all that kind what's that what about the hookah hey let me just tell you this I know one guy who's about seven foot and it is a Hall of Famer who introduced me to hookah right the one time I've tried it and um he ain't slowing down and he's like 37 so I'm not going to judge there okay um what do you think about hookah I have never tried it no you never have I've done it once twice twice you like it n no if I've only done it twice that tells

you tell you so tell us the story about Grant Williams you uh you signed him in Fr from the Celtics and I guess he's Michael F tells the story that he's trash talking Luca in practice Yeah were you there that day I wasn't there that day but I heard all the stories obviously so what so what happened to the best what were you what was relayed to you oh you know grant grant was trying to Define himself Grant's a great guy right I still keep in touch with him I like him a lot and he

was trying to Define his role with the Mavericks you know he wasn't going to be the best player but he was going to be a role player that that had to fit in made threes but he was kind of like the enforcer and he also wanted to be kind of the adult on the court you know and and with Luca it just didn't go over well at all when you start trash talking Luca right that's never going to end well like if I've trash talked him like in fun he gives me the stink eye you

know you are not doing that to Luca and Grant found out the hard way how did when you said um cuz like you said he's going Luca is going into his six season Dirk played 20 season with you the only franchise that he's ever played with you say yeah right now um LC is the best player you really believe that right now that he's a better player than Dirk SE yeah yeah I mean Dirk remember the league has changed right you know and Dirk the skills he brought and even more than his skills the mindset

Dirk is one mentally tougher than any human I've ever met in my life you know whether it's dealing with pain prep cuz you know better than anybody right it's what you do off the court correct what you do off the field that's more that defines what you do if you don't do it off you know mentally physically intellectually right learning all the things you need to do your football IQ your basketball IQ doesn't matter how talented you are right we've seen we've both seen talented guys just run right through it flame out in a minute

and so you know Dirk had that mindset that was stronger than maybe anybody other than Michael Jordan and that's you know Luca on the other hand in terms of actual skill and Killer Instinct Luca can handle the ball Dirk needed somebody for to get him the ball that's the only reason right if Dirk was if Dirk came out now right and he'd have the skills and the handles right because you know like kids today they watch on Instagram they watch on Tik Tok all the drills and all the handles and they see Steph and they

see Luca and Kyrie and so they all in Dirk would have been out with all those handles and they' have been unfair a whole different been Kevin Durant before Kevin Durant Kevin Durant got handles that can shoot the ball that s foot tall can shoot the ball like Dirk so basically he been KD before KD he would have been right and and then some um and that's no disrespect to KD right who was that first person to give me that [Laughter] hookah you um when Lucas contracts up he's going to have the biggest contract in

NBA here sure do you believe we're going to get to a point in time I don't know how soon probably because the way it's going that we going to see a an NBA player with a billion dollar contract yeah yeah for sure a billion Mark yeah but I mean that presumes that TV keeps on going up the way it is yeah but you're going to see $100 million a year here shortly wow because if the TV contract has 10% increases in the cap the way the CBA works right and you saw a Steph you know

had 62 million for one year yeah right I mean when Luca and Tatum and all these guys man Tatum just got what Tatum just got what like 400 something so Luca's about to get a lot a lot and it's going to go crazier like this year this coming year is still old CBA old TV money right once that new TV money get kicks in like they'll be making more money a year than I will these guys are going to be making like I don't care how many billions you have like I don't have a real

job right you know and so I'm not making a mill $100 million dollars every year right right you're going to have you're going to have players making more than the owners wow and that's okay right there is no League without them right that's what makes basketball the NBA different than every other sport right you know you couldn't recognize 50 of 53 guys on an NFL roster if they walked in the door right NBA right particularly if you play 2K you knew all 15 guys and the two-way guys too right and that's unique you don't have

that in baseball you don't have that in soccer have or the NHL That's Unique they are the league and they earn every penny of it as a former NFL player I know a thing or two about high performance and that's why I drive the BMW 7 Series this car has everything I need it's big enough comfortable enough and luxurious enough to meet even my high expectations when I'm behind the wheel of the BMW I'm not just driving a car I'm driving Legacy what I love most is the Precision Engineering Cutting Edge technology and unmatched style

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know started the first streaming platform thank you very much let's go back to that I read a quote probably about I was probably 22 23 they says a genius sees things that no one else sees and hits the Bull's Eye the streaming platform Mark how could you have foreshadowed this is where it's heading yeah it was easy actually I mean it made perfect sense to me i' been in the technology business for a long time right and my buddy Todd and actually our start the building we started started and was next door there two doors

down and we're like look this internet stuff there's going to be multimedia at some point right let's start with audio and eventually it'll get to video and we're like okay is anybody else doing this no okay let me buy a computer I did bought another computer put in the second bedroom my house and I was like let's just grind it out and we started going to every radio station every Sports League like we just got all the rights and locked them up we were YouTube before YouTube and and really it it it was hard to

do but in hindsight I was shocked no one else had done it before wow and you look back at it so when you sold that first company he's like did you like damn that was that was that was easy do you do you start a company with the hopes of selling it no never right I always start a company with the hopes of [ __ ] things up right and trying to disrupt things you know so like I remember when we started it was audio Nets broadcast.com and people were like what's the mission on you

know what's your personal goal and I'm like I want to be the next Ted Turner because Ted Turner had TBS right started CNN right and then he was you know doing um the racing the yacht racing or whatever the world World Cup yeah world no what was the cup um America's Cup America's Cup right and or something like that but in any event and he has champagne everywhere he has hot girls everywhere right and he's like managing the Braves when he wanted to I'm like come on that's what I want to be right I want

to have fun and um so the goal though was to see if we can turn this thing and actually at some point in time replace television and it happened slower than we expected but it's happening now and that that was the vision is line well because it seems like people just like go linear for live sporting events is like everything else is kind of like the Netflix the Amazon is the 2B the all that other stuff is on like streaming platforms is that where we're in the next 5 to 10 years markk where are we

going to be that's where we're going to be right because linear television is struggling you know you know you know you know ESPN used to have 110 120 110 million subscribers now they're down in the 70s or something like that and that's changed right you know this industry well right and it's harder even for Fox Sports and those guys and so the money is just not going to be there it used to be like there there was a time where it was like okay what's on what are the new shows on BC CBS and NBC

right to be most watch watch TV you set your clock like man I'm going to go watch Friends I'm going to watch Everybody Loves Raymond or all the whatever shark shark tank yeah Shark Tank yeah they do hey did you know that was going to be a no I thought it was going to suck but we'll get there in a sec right so but those shows like are scripted shows they're not going to linear television anymore they're going to streaming right Netflix and peacock and Max and those guys and so you know now the linear

stations are trying to do all sports you know and that's their angle um and on Shark Tank literally when I I got asked to be a guest shark and they're like we'll give you three episodes I'm like cool I'll come on this Show's not going to last I'm just go on l i be on TV for three shows right that's exactly right I'll be on you know I'll be on network television on ABC for three shows I'll Raise Some Hell show people I know when I'm talking about with business and we'll see what comes next

right and the next thing you know bam of course I take all the credit this medeor rights deal obviously TNT is has been at it it's an institution all right Chuck Kenny Charles and excuse me Kenny um sha Ernie Ernie yeah and Shaq and Shaq so obviously they're an institution and after this year they're not going to be there unless inbc or ESPN or one of these Amazon somebody Picks Them Up how difficult is that because they say well we going to suit because uh uh we had wrer first refusal whatever the case may be

you don't have to get into too deep into it Mark but so what's going on with that did you know that the meteor rights deal was going to be basically like 3x 4X 10x yeah because we were the last big media deal available so think about what we just said right how do you keep linear TV alive yes right you need Sports and the NFL's already locked up so who's next and so if you're going to stay alive you needed us and then when streaming wanted some of it to be able to carve out just

some like Amazon Amon carves out um peacock carves out some it's like why would we not take that money yeah you know and I mean 51% goes to the players so they were happy about it too absolutely I think the thing is is that these platforms the streaming platforms the Netflix the YouTube they want to be channels they want to be taken serious and you cannot do it without Sports sport because that's what's kept them alive right the NFL to a lesser extent the NBA and Major League Baseball you know the other sports are helping

but they're living on the NFL yes right and the NFL is just more and more and more and more but at some point there'll be a Tipping Point right because it costs more to get a um linear television um Network than it does just a streaming right because the cable network the satellite Network they're having to pay all this money and they're having to charge consumers all that money that's not going to stay stick around forever and they're all yeah it's not sustainable the way it is today and all those platforms are trying to figure

out the right way to do it if Mark Cuban was an NBA player today how would he spend his money how would he invest his money how would you how what type of business if you're an NBA player so you're coming in so you don't have the business arment that you have chill right right right right so if I'm just a two-way player yeah right if I'm a two-way player I'm living like a student cuz you don't know how long it's going to last right and one of the hard things is you know like I

never I didn't grow up with money I I didn't have [ __ ] and and so um it's hard when you first get money to understand what it is right how how much do you have and what can you actually do because you you hear all these stories and you think and you know how that goes right but you don't think it's going to happen to you right right and you hear about the stories about people losing it all so I I tell guys all the time save your money you know one broken ankle and

it's over it's over and if I'm somebody making 40 50 60 million then I'm hiring somebody that knows what they're doing but it ain't going to be one of my friends okay right it can't not be your friend because your friend wants to be your friend my money guy needs to make me money yes right and it can't be a friend of a friend of a friend it's got to be somebody who's done it for Big Time people and knows their [ __ ] right because that that's the other place guys get tied up well

that's my guy he's been with me forever I want to take care of him he wants to get into Finance oh no no no no you he can still be with me you can be your friend right I'll take you to dinner I you know I'll buy you I I'll pay you some money to take care of things right but um you can't you know don't invest in the restaurant don't invest in the clothing label don't invest in the liquor company sorry um but um you know what or music right that is the death right

so it's not so much now right but in the early 2000s um early 2010s everybody wanted a music label right everybody was either going to be r raer or they were going to um you know have a label and sign rappers cuz that's what you know what was going on and you know one athletes label that's done any good no I don't I don't you know clothing companies no it's hard it is right those business are hard because there's no barriers to entry you want to start a clothing it is funny because I get people

talk to me all the time so I've got this brand name right let's get busy LGB and you think you're start a clothing line based off of LGB right or you know I've got this one song that I'm going to do right and it's going listen to this isn't this the best song you it's not that easy as the Dallas Mavericks owner obviously your signature player before Luca and you've had some great players at the Mavericks but it's been dirt yeah of course what is dirt meant to you and this organization everything he is the

organization he's the definition of the Dallas Maverick um and again not just what he did for us on the court but who he is off the court Dirk's that guy that's going to the hospitals without being asked that's you know taking time with kids visiting them you know when he has a special event and he's had many he's making sure kids are coming and he's just got you know he's got that heart people know he loves Dallas and as a result Dallas loves him and that's what I that's the interesting thing mark because a lot

of these International Players like when they're done they go back to their respected countries Dirk has remained he's German but he's remain he goes back and forth he yeah he does yeah but you're right he's he's Dallas right but um he stays here he lives here just build a house here you know does charity continuously you you know you can take you can't take the Dallas out of Dirk now right is it true that he brought his meals on the road in luminum foil some not all right some yeah no I do remember that right

um he'd get because he wanted healthier stuff right right so he I forgot all about that so yeah so he would get things specially made for him because he wasn't going to eat anything because you know what it's like on a team plane there's Fried Chicken everywhere there you know whatever the players just love to eat right and he was like no I'm no more fried food wow why have European players really if you look at what the last six MVPs been European players you got yic with two three you got Giannis with two you

got Joel andb with one why have they start why have we seen the shift to where European players are starting to dominate the just in the draft and two reasons one the rest of the world is bigger than us right so we've got 30 330 million there's 8 billion people in the world right so they got yeah so there's more options available right particularly now with Africa and India and you know um I love when whenever I think India now I like that song T toes in you know that what I'm talking um but anyways

I digress it um but so there's just more people and then the training methods are different um there's no equivalent of aaou and you know kids here like my son or whoever they're playing game after game after game but hardly practice wow you know and over there there's two practices a day and you might play one two three maybe three times a week and so the focus is on developing skills and no matter you know here even still we kind of pigeon hole people into certain positions you're big right you get down on the Block

the biggest guys you play the four or to five right right and so um and that's changing some but they don't really work on all the skills or even more importantly the basketball IQ you know and and I take that back a little bit because kids now are far more skilled um at the high school level at the junior high level you see the handles right like my son's got handles like he's got my athleticism unfortunately for him but my son's got handles like oh work yeah you know I mean I used to be able

to dunk but still um he still got my athleticism and so um but his handles are off the charts right and it's no big deal all the guys on his team can handle um and they get that from social media but they don't get the same basketball IQ right they don't so that's what I try to work on with him right head up what's going to happen next right anticipate where things are going um and you don't see that a lot with aou and then parents get into to it too it's like get my guy

some minutes right or my girl some minutes and that makes it more difference it's not like that in the EUR the European parents aren't aren't hummingbird helicopter and they're not hovering over not not like here not like here because I mean it's a lot of pressure on kids too right they're the meal ticket and that's tough that is really tough Dennis Rudder Crossing flag he said they asked Dennis Rudder he says because European basketball is straight basketball IQ no entertainment straight coaching really really high IQ guys who know how to play the game of course

the US is the best league in the world but Europeans they're coming for sure yep KD didn't take kindly to that he's like cuz he took a picture of that when when they won the gold medal you know best IQ and entertainment what was Dennis shuder trying to say and do you understand what he was saying yeah of course I understand right so once you get past the the top 30 players right IQ matters right because you've got to be able to play with Luca you've got to be able to play with Kyrie because they

have I high IQs and everything else to go with it right but the guys who are you know fifth sixth seventh and lower on the roster you got to have a high basketball IQ to know where you're fit Know Where Your Role is and if all you ever learned was you know dribble if you don't have an IQ right it's going to be harder to fit in the NBA right and so they're both you know ktie give him a [ __ ] was right because we have the best players it's not even close right but

at the but still out of those top 20 players in the you know there's a reason why those guys have been MVP and so if you have the level of skill that you need and you have that basketball IQ and it's developed and if you flip it around if we did the same development here for kids and you combine the athleticism and the skill with the basketball IQ there might be a half the number of European players or foreign players in the NBA we just don't give them that basketball IQ support are we are American

players are we too reliant on athleticism I think it depends to a certain extent yes um there are some players that like the KDs of the world like LeBron of the world that are American have basketball cues off the charts you know they're just insane you know every element of the game um but kids see that and they try to replicate you know what Anthony Edwards does right you know duning me I said right and you know dunkademics and all that stuff right and I don't see that from European kids coming in um and I

think that's the difference if you applied the same training techniques and combin that with the athleticism that we have in this country wow yeah it it'd be a whole different League I've never seen him play in person but You' had a front World seat to see this guy over the last decade and that's nicoa yic yeah when you look at a guy and you I mean just look at him from television you're like okay he doesn't have the cap shoulders like Giannis he's not Freight trained like LeBron he doesn't have the he can't jump out

the gym like a young Shaq but bro he just light people up what is it about him Mark that makes him so great so unique that he's able to dominate when he doesn't have anything about him that's physically dominating yeah I mean if you just saw him in the pickup like you would be like who you know who's the ch dude right oh my God he can play right but it's skill skill and basketball IQ you combine being 611 6101 with basketball IQ skill he can shoot he can dribble he can pass he sees things

three steps ahead you know him and Luca are like you know twins in a lot of respects um and when you have all those elements to your game like there's always a place for a shooter right yes always a place for shooter in the NBA there's always a place for somebody who can rebound now if you can rebound and shoot okay you're going to be good if you can rebound shoot handle you're going to be really really good milon yeah if you can rebound shoot handle and your basketball IQ as top five in the NBA

you're unstoppable right in 2006 you said the situation with Dirk it changed he started to take the way he ate the way he trained the way he did every single thing was different than the previous years because he had gotten so close he got a taste of what it was like to play in the NBA Finals you go up 2 you feeling you you had to be feeling thought this is going to be a fun interview it is we go we going to get to the fun stuff so when you go up 20 you just

like we got this no we were up 2 and it was the third quarter and we're in Miami and I always sit right behind the bench this day right and I'm standing up Clapp in and I'm thinking we're up like 14 in the and I'm thinking to myself oh [ __ ] we might sweep these dudes not two seconds later right Udonis Haslam steals the ball goes in for layup Now it's 12 then couple minutes later Shaq pushes Eric dampier pushes him and they call a foul on Eric dampier I'm like oh if he hits

these free throws we're in trouble Shaq hits two free throws right I'm like oh [ __ ] we're [ __ ] and you know went downhill from there you know and Dwayne Wade goes to the free throw line 973 times right true so it was over let me ask you the relationship that you have is unlike maybe only what Dr Buzz had with magic is that you party you hang out with the players you hung out with the players do you find how do you how do you manage that because at the end of the

day you are the owner you do I mean you have the you could sign players you can trade players you can release players how is that how does that has that ever interfered with your relationship with a player yeah for sure like my first year we had a player named Eric Strickland who I got to be really close with went to Nebraska um didn't have a long NBA career but great dude right okay and we got to be really good friends and it was draft night and our guys were like you know here's a trade

we need to do and I'm like oh [ __ ] right we're going to have to trade them and you know and it was then I learned that you've got to do what's best for the team and players respect that right and players you know when they get traded they may not like it but they see another opportunity hopefully the next place but I also realize that basketball is X number of years Life's a long long time right like even when we screwed up and let Steve Nash go gotten to be friends with nashy took

a Time took some time right he you know he didn't like me for a long time but you know now we're we're friends again and so you know you just it's okay to be friends with them it's okay um to get close to them you just have to be honest with them and if you're honest with them it's okay what are you what are your thoughts on super teams they yeah they don't really work and it's going to be a lot harder now with the new CBA you know um with the new collective bargaining agreement

you know they have this first apron and second apron thing right and if you have three max out players you're right there by the time you have 15 guys you're over the second apron and if you stay at the second apron for you know two years you know you're getting your first draft pick move to the end of the draft or you're get excuse me you can't trade it and then the second time second year if you're over you you move to the end of the draft right no matter what and there's limits on trades

you can make it's hard to build a team and so I think it's going to be harder and harder and harder for teams to have you know a big three that are all maxed out now what you want is like what we hope is like a player well Klay comes in right and a Naj Marshall comes in but we got someone we drafted like Dereck Lively who can be an All-Star caliber player or better you know it's just like um the Celtics they were able to make a lot of Trades because the um J Brown

and um Tatum yeah were on not rookie contracts but on Lower contracts as the cap went up that's what you need to have happen and if you go for it and you get three max out players and it doesn't work I mean look at the Clippers you know they had three amazing max out players and you know injuries got in the way and it's going to be really hard to to keep together a team like that yeah it's going to be hard for the Clippers to to keep that thing because PG is gone Kawai can

for whatever reason he can't stay healthy so it's tough it's tough right I don't want to talk specifically about any one team but you know three max out players particularly those numbers go up yes right those numbers go up because the max out contracts you know as a percentage you're at 35% for a super max of the cap and if you got three of them right that's 105% of the cap right depending on when you sign it right so it's not going to stay that way because the you know you'll sign a guy at 35%

then the cap will go up 10% right so he won't stay at 35% but it's close enough right over just three guys that it's going to be hard to keep them together LeBron obviously are you surprised that he's been able to play as well as he has for as long as he has to be as durable as he's been yeah of course I thought he was done five times already the guy's a beast but he's got that mental fortitude right it's like we talked about with Dirk he's just one of those guys that he understands

the assignment you you got to take care of your body you got to take care of your mind you've got to take care of your skills his three-point shooting's improved like yes you know and so he gets credit for doing the work and you know that's what makes him one of the greatest of all time TD tuty taking it to the house reservations for six whatever you call it touchdown one thing's for sure touchdowns matter more at draft King sports book an official sports betting partner of the NFL on the ground in the air from

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same in bu yeah same in business so if you're going to spend on the court you spend that kind of time you need to spend time eating and taking care of your body you get old right yes it does not get easier yes it does not get get hard trust me you're still young wait till it gets harder and harder harder you know that [ __ ] is no fun but he gets all the credit in the world for having that discipline to be able to do it most guys don't he wants to be an

owner um obviously you know there I think you guys are looking at maybe bringing a team um to Vegas uh I think Seattle being talked about I don't know if there's anybody else but I think um that's those are the two franchises and obviously he's kind of looking at the the one and and and in Vegas what type of owner you think LeBron would make I don't know players it's going to be a lot harder for a player right we saw Michael Jordan right um great guy had some success but not as much as he

wanted right it's hard because players have one mindset and they look at other players in a certain way you know why you can't do that I could I can do let me show you right I'm Michael Jordan I'm 55 years old I'm going to whoop your ass right um but yeah it's it's just completely different perspective that's hard to disconnect yourself from and it's hard to be objective and not have your player mindset and so like when you've seen general managers that are former players they're not the great players that were you know that are

good general managers it's the role players that got to watch everybody else and understand how to fit these pieces together um and so for any Superstar it's going to be hard being an owner what's a typical day for Mark Cuban when you when you were the full-time owner of the Mavericks what's a typical day what time do you wake up and what's your schedule so it depends what part of the Season it is so during the offseason is when I spend had to do most of the work right because a free agency and the draft

and everything so that's where I had to pay the most attention and then when you get to um the trade deadline that's another time when you have to pay a lot of attention otherwise I'm just screaming and yelling right there there's you know as long as there's you know and it also depends if you're winning or losing if if you're winning it's easy everything just goes if you're losing um and you don't want to lose because there's there's rebuilding and then there's losing when you think you're going to win and when you're losing when you

think you're going to win that's when an owner has to do it stuff right because you've got to communicate you've got to make decisions what about you know is it the coach is it the players is it the general manager and is it the decisions we made is it chemistry why are we not performing the way we expected um this team to perform that's when it's hard as an owner because you got to figure it out I mean I remember like it was 2008 maybe we were playing in Sacramento and um no it it was

later than that but in any EV we're playing in Sacramento and we just were not playing hard and I remember watching until I've only given probably four locker room speeches right and I walked into the locker room and I started pointing at different guys yo did you get your paycheck this week yeah did you get your paycheck this week and I went around to all of them you get your paycheck this week and they all said yes the [ __ ] play like you got your paycheck right because you AR doing [ __ ] right

and so so so I can imagine the looks like and we lost that [Laughter] game do do owner them cuz you heard you say you're like is it the coach is it the players is it the GM is it anything else in the staff do owners ever look at themselves like is it me is it something oh all the time right because it's my final responsibility like we said before and you're going to make mistakes and I've made plenty you know I traded early on I traded for this one dude and literally I thought he

was the uni bomber um I thought he was going to blow [ __ ] up like for real blow [ __ ] up and like what the hell did I do you know and at the beginning it was just like okay let's see if we can integrate them integrate it just wasn't going to work out so he was just on the StairMaster all day every day and that was it and because we couldn't trade him he wasn't tradable um but so you make mistakes like that um and you just got to own it right you

know um in the early days when I first bought you could kind of buy your way out of mistakes and buy your way into a better team because there are a lot more old school owners now there's you know either super super rich people or private Equity groups and they can afford to play the whole game back in the early days and you know the 2000s there were a lot of old school owners Mom and Pops yeah Mom and Pops that have been there 40 years right and you know you could buy a draft pick

for $3 million and I'd be like okay you know make a trade and take on $25 million in salary to save their ass right okay but you can't even do that in the CBA anymore and now they have a lot more money so they don't like they're like okay I'll buy that pict get the [ __ ] out of here Mark you made a decision that you sold the majority share of the Mavericks and I know with the Mavericks of all the companies I think the Mavericks are your baby I think they they've meant the

most and um to you yeah that's the only one I've ever been for 24 years right right how difficult how how did you come to that decision and was that a difficult decision because I'm sure you thought long and hard like I'mma do it no I'm not I'm going do it no I'm not I mean it had more to do well there was two reasons only two reasons right one because of my family right you know I'm at that age and I'm not going to be around for 30 years right and so are my kids

you know my kids now are 15 18 and 21 are they going to want to run this and what if they decide not to and then what do I do right and and so that was the biggest thing and and you know what sports are like too was also I don't want to just automatically put pressure on them it's great when you're winning right everybody wants to run a team when you're winning correct but when the shit's hit in the fan and you suck and you know what so soci media is like and kids are

on social media all the time I don't want didn't want to put my kids in the position where they're like you you know they have to deal with that stuff while they're just developing as adults so that was one and number two um to compete in the MBA now is expensive um not all teams make money it's not like the NFL and in order to have the money to be able to do whatever you need luxury tax whatever it may be it's not just about technology or tickets or TV anymore like technology okay I got

that down right TV media got that [ __ ] down to streaming got that [ __ ] down but now you got to build real estate I don't know [ __ ] about real estate and never was and never did and so when I had a chance to work with Patrick Dumont um starting years ago um we would talk all the time about bringing you know um resort-based Casino gaming to to Dallas or to Texas and you know he would talk about what it takes to build a casino and to build a new Arena that

fit in there and I'm like I don't know anything about this and so if the Mavs were going to compete I was going to have to learn all that stuff and honestly I don't want to learn it and if that was if it was going to take two billion in cash to make all that work Steve balmer's got that I don't have that two billion right um I do now which I'm happy about but but now you don't want to be now you don't want to be well no it's just didn't no right it' be

one thing I could have borrowed it and all that stuff but I would had to learn it or I would have had to just trust somebody and that's just not my style that's a lot of money to trust that's a lot of money to trust a lot on the line and so now I've got a great partner who will you know go and improve the arena we have today we'll build something new we'll be able to make a destination that Dallas will be proud of and he knows things he's forgotten more about building than I've

ever known and so it makes a great partner which puts the Mavs in a much better position to compete right what are your thoughts on gambling you think you're going to be able to do have gambling here in Texas I do I don't know when but I do because I mean you guys live outside of Texas yes um what is it that you save up and get excited to come to Texas on a vacation to do you ever thought about coming to Texas on a vacation no you know anybody who does I guess college kids

go to what South Padre or something is that yeah for spring break yeah for spring that's that's you know maybe you go to Austin to Sixth Street or you know Austin City Limits South by Southwest you know but it's not really like a vacation you don't think of it as a vacation destination anywhere in Texas and so let me change that question if we put a bagio or Venetian in Downtown Dallas yeah they come people want to gamble yeah and not just scamble right you like you go to Vegas now you spy you got you

know you have SEL right the shows right you got all that stuff and you become a you know being in the center of the country if you put a Venetian right in the middle of Dallas we're going to all of a sudden become a top three tourist destination in this country and so that's why I think it'll pass I read a report and let me let you think about this is that Americans are spending more home sports betting than they are in investing are you surprised by that I think it depends on the age of

the person because I read something similar right and so if you're real young you're you're betting but you're not Bing a lot right uh or you're buying crypto Dogecoin to the Moon baby and you know but you know it's hard it's hard for kids to save money right and so you know how kids are right you know you're a 22y old dude or woman for that matter in college right and I know Sports I know Sports you know and so you play and and you're probably going to lose but it's fun right it's it's just

entertainment money um kind of like crypto is but yeah I I just think if when you get to people who are in their 30s 40s and 50s I don't think you know the numbers I've seen are that they're not unless you have a real problem they're not overspending right when you sold the company Mark you gave your employees it was reported $35 million you gave them bonuses why did you feel the need to do that you know and it ended up being a lot more actually but I'm not there without them and I did it

my first two companies I did it with microsolutions you know we had 80 employees they all got paid I did it with um broadcast.com out of 330 employees 300 became millionaires and I wanted to do the same thing with um the Mavs you know they they were there for me the whole time and you know it was enough money that for those who were there you know 20 years or more it was life-changing money you think yeah so when you started the first streaming platform you like okay I can for Shadow I can think this

is heading in this direction you said you and your partner you bought a computer you and your partner you guys sit down and you start coding how long before you before it started becoming profitable because that's that's the hard is I mean if it's profitable right away it took us four years to get the break even okay so we had gone public it was the number one IPO in the history of the stock market in 1998 and we sold it in um June of 2020 I think it was and and that second quarter we were

right around cash flow Break Even but we were only in business for four years and so you mean 2000 or 2000 right yeah um and so we were only in business for four years so that wasn't horrible for a tech business like that did you ever YouTube Netflix I remember this had to be 1999 2000 I went to a nail I went to a nail shop and the lady was telling me about how she get movies from Netflix I said so tell me about it she said what you do is that you know you tell

them what you want and they'll send it the DVD right right to your door you watch them when you want to and you put them back in the thing and send them back I was like I said what about Blockbuster she's like nah I think Blockbuster is going to go away I was like I don't know about that she was right she was right I'm like I'm thinking to myself had I just taken like 10 $15,000 and put it in the Netflix boom no kidding did you know that it would blow that there would be

a net cuz you were YouTube and Netflix for sure I mean that's why I was so upset with Yahoo like they had a huge opportunity I mean they were YouTube before YouTube when they bought us and you know when the Internet stock Bubble Burst their board of directors just say pull everything back instead of sticking with it and you know Reed Hastings and the folks to Netflix they were like not pulling back right they they were going for it and then YouTube shows up and they couldn't even afford to stay in business but then um

Google buys them and that just changed everything yeah cuz they would cuz at First YouTube was with streaming platform not any more like ads I mean yeah I mean it was like 2006 they started and it was just like little short videos and stupid videos and stuff but you know credit to them they they got Google to partner and Google did it right so so when a company comes in and they says okay we're going to buy you is that all cash is that Cash Plus stock so in our case it depends on the company

right but in our case with broadcast.com it was all stock and so um in my mind I was like oh [ __ ] right what if this all the stock market crashed so I went once I was legally able to I did something called a Coller so I sold the right to somebody to buy the stock at a higher price that's selling calls and then I used that money to buy puts which protected me in case the stock price cratered well the stock price did Crater and those puts became worth even more money than I

would gotten from the stock and they called it one of the top 10 trades in Wall Street history so that's how they called it the yeah so what was that that number one e Ecommerce purchase what did you purchase I bought bought a Jet online G it had to be a golf stream yeah g G5 yeah so um I just gotten paid and I like time is like my number one thing I want a Jet right I want a jet and so I'm like well I'm an internet guy I'm GNA practice what I preach so

I got a contacted golfstream I emailed them and I said okay can I get a a test flight they set up a test flight I'm like okay I like this hard to you know figure out I liked it right what's the price told me the price was $40 million I texted him deal right send me the paperwork email me the paperwork emailed it to me I did a wire transfer did the whole thing online did so the jet was already cuz you can build your own jet but you didn't have you can't build your own

no hell no would you want hey hey Shannon come on to my jet that I built would you get on that jet say like you the features and everything not B hell iel right I don't know nothing about fly no right um yeah so that's what I did so I asked for you know where's the where's the kitchen in it how many seats what's the layout and all that and the test flight that they gave me match that okay tell us about was it American Airlines you brought lifetime passes you bought two lifetime passes where

you can fly first class anywhere in the world whenever you want it right so it's just one it was a little card I got right but I could take anybody with me okay right and so this was after I sold my first company micro Solutions I was 29 I think 30 and um you know just sold this company walked away with a few million dollars and I was like my buddies and I going out just got destroyed we went to all one of these old school steakhouses they don't really have anymore but um where you

could ask for a phone and plug it into a Jack In The Wall there right at your table yes and I'm like you know what they're like what do you want you know what do you think you're going to do with all this money and I'm like I don't care about cars or house else is it but boy you know I fly a lot for work if I could get this lifetime pass I wonder if such a thing exists so I'm like like I even KN because I had memorized because I travel like 1 800

433 6464 the American I think that's still the number right is it does that sound right but anyways um we confirm yeah whatever um so I called him up just luring my words do you guys sell lifetime passes they're like let me connect you to the airp pass Department I'm like what bam right and so I got all that information hung over as hell and um I've signed up and it was initially was $125,000 and then I upgraded it I think I forget how much I paid but it gave me almost unlimited miles for me

and somebody else for the rest of my life wow yeah so where where's the pass at now I gave I my my dad's passed away I gave it to him and then I gave it to a friend as a gift so you it was transferable just one time just one time yeah okay and but because my dad died they let me do it because he didn't use it a lot and I didn't use it a lot so um they let me transfer it I don't think they do that anymore no they don't they don't they

don't can you put some out of because the way people but what a deal right I mean let me just tell you like $125,000 and I'm thinking okay doing the math that's 12 cents a mile I can deal with that right and like I'd be out in LA or wherever Dallas I'm like you want a road trip let's let's call American Airlines and see if they got any flights tonight let's go to Vegas what's your name again doesn't matter let's go to Vegas boy you live the life you did that was what the early 90s

man that was a different time what type of investor is Mark cuan now just really conservative you know I I like investing in um small companies startups where I can help entrepreneurs because I like to do that that's what I do on Shark Tank um but with interest rates at five plus percent why take risk right right so it's easier to do that um either through tax frees or treasuries or whatever um but I still like to invest in startups right man you on shk tank y'all be taking them people man man how y'all going

to take half the company they don't work like five 10 years trying to build this up and y'all coming and taking 27% they offered you five can you go to 10 why you taking 30 damn well depends on the size of the company right because I'm giving them a lot of money because if they didn't need the money they wouldn't be there they would be there absolutely correct and so they're not there because you know maybe they're there because of the commercial but um they're there because they need help right and so you know it's

been a lot of fun I've invested in hundreds of companies there over the 15 years some have done really well Beatbox beverages you may have heard of dude wipes you probably have heard heard of there's just a bunch of them that are just destroyed just killed it um and some of them didn't do as good right and so you've gota you got to understand that you know 25% are going to go Belly Up um for whatever reason 45 now let's say 60% are going to be okay right and 15% are going to kill it and

I got to make sure those 15% I really get paid on to cover all the other ones didn't the ring didn't didn't ring but I didn't like that deal anyways right because ring had to they sold for a billion dollars but they had to raise like 500 million to get there you know it obviously it was a good product and it paid out but I have a rule right if you have to raise hundreds of millions of dollars to do tens of millions in sales it ain't going to work for me right now if you're

able to sell and get an exit more power to to you and and he was able to so he deserves all the credit have you gotten upset when a shark stole one of your deals no one steals my [ __ ] you 't watch the show they come on there say Mark I want to yeah for sure right you ever watched the show if you think anybody got one of mine no hell no but I'm um other than the uh the Mavericks obviously that was a big investment but you own stop you own Netflix Amazon

I did for a while yeah when they were turning around right when people didn't understand um what they were doing I I made a lot of money um I bought calls which you know the right to buy the share at a higher price and I bought a lot of them a lot of them and they went up 10 times what I put up so I was a happy camper so but when they say it takes money to make money because you've been in the situation because you've created these companies and been able to have money

so when these lesser when these like you said you like to invest in startups you're able to make a kill it yeah I mean look in order to be a billionaire you have to be lucky as [ __ ] okay there's no way around it right I don't care how smart I think I am or Bill Gates or Steve Balmer or Buffett or Elon Musk it takes luck right you know you've got to if I started um doing things 5 years earlier right and coming out of college and the internet wasn't happening yeah you know

right you know it's just when we started um cosplay when we started um broadcast.com that was right at the right time and no one had done streaming and the and the Internet stock market was just blowing up right okay that's how you become a billionaire and that you know I worked my ass off I was smart I did [ __ ] other people were afraid to do but if the Internet stock market hasn't hadn't been theane I'd be just some guy you know just chilling you know at the nice house and you wouldd have no

idea who I was right but it h it but you have to take some risk cuz I remember when um Google came out and they thought the the P the shares were going to open up about $85 a share and I remember sending my financial guys and I was like oh you know what I had just signed with the Ravens so I had some some money and I was like man I'd like to buy you know $300,000 worth well it opens up at 11:15 and he says it's overpriced and so you know it's going to

come back but they don't have the proit hey I've done that I know you're not the first one to say it's like Nvidia it's like Nvidia right now right I like I told my son my son wanted to invest in it and he bought some and I'm like you know I'd rather see it come down first and my son's like got you who's the expert now think about it and how many times has Google split oh I mean you know it's worth over3 trillion dollar three trillion dollars trillions trillions I mean not billions that's a

thousand billions of trillion dollars yes so that my investment I might I'd have been a billionaire with you right you [ __ ] up I I did I [ __ ] up bad cuz Netflix and Google and I had the money to do it but I let somebody talk me out of it but and it but he but then there's 25 other ones that right that you thought you should go in and talk you out of they lost their butt and say so it evens out yeah when people you're so benevolent when people try take

advantage of you I read that you had an employee that steal from you when you've been as generous as you have over your the course of your career how does does that make you sour on people no no because people steal what am I going to do yeah steal from somebody else don't steal from me you know what it's a good problem to have right that means you got it huh I can afford it right like my first company micro Solutions though there was a lady Renee Hardy r e n e e h a r

d y right we she was our receptionist and her job she had one job right take our payables for our vendors put it in an envelope lick the envelope take it to the post office right we had $84,000 in the bank I'll never forget get a call from the bank sir this woman just came through the drive-thru and the checks were Whited out the pay was Whited out remember white out yes she wrote her name in it and I'm like you didn't cash them did you of course we did we're a bank sir she took

82 of the $84,000 that we had we were flat broke and the 82,000 was supposed to go to vendors so now we had to call the vendors say please work with us we'll bust our ass well make sure you get paid and they did they worked with us right in the rest is history but she could have just boom done then I was mad that's why I always say Renee Hardy did you did you PR press charges we couldn't find her that's been years years and no one's found her since and now I get emails

from people right that are like I heard about this name Rene Hardy you know and so and so's name it's just random names right the same name and like no no one's ever found her she's probably changed her name or whatever Mark when you accumulate the the amount of wealth that you have how has your inner circle changed it hasn't hasn't at all like my guys from you know grade school high school that I grew up with we just did a zoom we do every two weeks they come out the Mavs I go to see

them they're still my buddies my um college buddies you know Ben and Tim you know were still my best friends I played rugby in college and after my Rugby teammates are still my best buddies um when I came to Dallas I slept you know Five Guys six guys in a three-bedroom apartment and you know Shippy and Sue and Ron Eid and you know Fred Turner and all these guys they're all still my my great friends at the end of the day at heart you a college frag guy oh for sure right you know he got

six guys and we in the bedroom we just hanging out we go out direct B do matter right you know live like like I bought a book when I was in college it was called um how to retire by the age of 35 okay and basically what it says is live like a student so you can save all your money right and then if you do that you know and you you know even if you're investing in like just treasuries or whatever that pay three four five% okay you know you get you know a million

dollars and you make 5% on that that's 50 Grand if you're living like a student you turn that into 2 million etc etc and that was my goal right and so moving down to Dallas and living you know sleeping on the floor the whole time you know going out and and literally buying one beer and eating all the fried mushrooms and [ __ ] I was cool with that I was having a blast it was no problem at all what was your fa because I think the thing is is it's easier said and done because

a lot of times I'm just speak to me I don't want to speak to anybody else but I speak to me we didn't have anything growing up and I've always wanted to make sure that I could take care of my family but I wanted some things that I couldn't get when I was growing up I wanted to be able to go to a restaurant if I wanted something nice be able to go if I saw something you know clothed as far as clothes maybe a watch I want to be able to get it um your

mom and dad were you like middle class yeah my dad did upholster in car so um or seat so if you if this had a rip in it you take it to where my dad worked and he'd sew it up right my mom did odd jobs you know my dad never made more than $40,000 a year in his life that was good money though you do realize what you no I know I'm not complaining yeah I'm not complaining right yeah I'm not complaining right but still you know and that's you know he wouldn't retire like

even even after I started making money he wouldn't retire really no no he had to work right he that's you know that's his thing that's yeah and like he had to be able to pull out that credit card if we all went to dinner and pay for it because if I paid for it that was an insult wow I read you had your hips replaced yeah both of them I had both of mine replaced a lot better isn't it boy it's a new lease on life I'm telling you you wake up and it's just like

oh I mean that I'm living cuz back I was surviving and that the pain pain there like on a scale of 1 to 10 what's the pain 10 what you think i' been here for right because like you you'd be in bed right you'd be trying to sleep and they would lock up and you'd have to do like a push-up and like Drop I would have to do a drop just to get them to unlock so I can walk and like I remember um I was I got one done at 49 and then the other

one done like five years later and I remember walking through the um the Hall of the arena and one of our guys like dude you walk like an 80-year old man and I'm like okay it's time it's time you know my my legs wouldn't go that wide it was just like it's I mean the how you have to get out of bed you got to roll and get up out of bed and everything it it was it's but I mean and the do doctor told me said you're going to have a new lease on life

I'm like yeah you everybody every doctor says that after surgery but boy changed everything it absolutely changed everything let this new company tell us about the new drug company uh Cost Plus drugs is helping man hold on y'all help me and bu by Agri seal for a cheaper price are you buying from us nah I do that roast I'm on Roman them roast spks oh [ __ ] that right no hell no don't let me just tell you let me just tell you you can buy 90 generic Calis or generic Viagra for less than you

B pay for a bag of M&M's from cplus drugs.com wow but the ones I got they they knock fire Sparks that's the name Sparks got that red spark on it red pill take the red pill let me just tell you right if you get like the 20 milligrams you won't let anybody walk with it never mind but you go to cosplus drugs.com and so um I actually got a cold email from a doctor named Dr Alex o myky and her office is right across the street there and he goes I want to start this Pharmacy

that manufactur compounding pharmacy that manufactures drugs that are on a shortage list right so that people can't get them I want to make them so they can get access to their medications and I'm like that's great but what more can we do and so we started talking and this is right about the time the farmer bro was going to jail and I'm like if this dude can like buy one drug der Prim and just jack up the price then there's something wrong with this business let me let me look into it and it was really

obvious really quickly that what was missing is transparency nobody trusts the price of healthcare no one trusts healthare at all right particularly medic medications right so if you get a prescription for something the first question they ask isn't you know can you afford it it's like where's your Pharmacy right and then you know we've all heard stories of people waiting in line don't know what it's going to cost and can't afford it Los their insurance whatever so we started um this company called cost plusus drugs.com cost plusus drugs.com and so when you go to cost

plusus drugs.com and nothing you need it but like if you put in Calis with um tadil which is generic seis and you need 90 of them we'll show you our cost right whatever we pay for it we mark it up 15% we add our shipping and handling on it and then when you add it all together in this case less than a bag of M&M's but it's going to be cheaper than anywhere else oh yeah and and so what else is cool about it though is there are a lot there were a lot of companies

before us that um these things called Pharmacy benefit managers we don't need to get into it that just jack up the price of certain drugs because they're they're not used all that yeah supply and demand and so like I had a friend who was in this car wreck and he lost his insurance and they were going to um there's this drug called dropado Doza dropado Doza and they were like saying they were going to charge him $30,000 every three months and he's like I can't afford that can you do hell no not very many people

afford that I'm like let me check so I check into it and this was two years ago and I'm like okay Landon I can get it to you for $64 a month there's these other drugs for muscular dis um um multiple sclerosis rather and we're seeing our price be $21 $22 other people are charging $2 $2,000 other drugs you know um IM mattive which is for chemotherapy anywhere from $200 to $2,000 depending on the strength our price is like 23 to $24 and so when someone comes to the site you know you've got this disease

and we're the only way you can afford your medication not only you buy them from us but you're telling everybody you're telling your doctor and so we you know we launched January 19th of 2022 so here we are two and a half years later millions of customers just changing people's lives I get emails and text and social media almost every day saying oh my God you saved my life so if right now we're almost we have like 200 generics 74 different brands and we're adding more and more Brands but if you want to see if

you can reduce the price of your medications go to cost plusus drugs.com what made you decide to do that the healthare industry is [ __ ] up I mean what could be you know I've done a lot people out huh yeah I mean what could be a better Legacy what could be a better way you know to really be successful in business than [ __ ] up the healthcare business to me that was everything right if come in and we've only been in 2 and a half years and we literally are changing the whole industry

and so I'm proud of that I mean it's exciting and it's fun and we're just getting started what are your thoughts on Olympic it seems that that's the new yeah Hollywood I mean I'm not a doctor but whether it's t zeppa which is zound from Lily or OIC which is from Nova North right by the way Lily just so there's two ways you can get the DI drugs right the glp 1es is what they call them and there's two ways to get them you can get them with the pens right or you can get him

with a vial right and if you get him with the vial they just started um selling him with the vial this week instead of it being $1,300 a month it'll be $400 or $500 a month and so the prices are starting to come down and if they live up to the bilding again I'm not a doctor I'm not the scientist but if they live up to the building it's going to change a lot yeah people crave foods and if the thing ever got down under a hundred bucks a month [ __ ] everybody's gonna take

it right and it's GNA you know you talk about investing right are people going to eat less food yeah they're gonna eat less food are people going to be healthier and need less healthare yeah they're going to need less healthare you know are there going to be fewer heart attacks etc etc they going to be all skinny though Mark everybody's you know I mean don't we don't we want people of different size and different body you don't have to and not everybody responds the same way you don't and you don't have to take it right

you don't have to take it but you so I guess if you take it you try to get skinny huh I mean yeah but you don't have to right I mean there's studies that say you know you see athletes right some of these dudes 68 350 lbs that are just insane shape and great athletes everybody's their own thing the Illuminati we I've had people on here and they talk about the illumin do you believe in it [ __ ] no literally people come on and think it's real yeah okay so like what are the other

ones there's the Illuminati and who are the other ones that are like that um there's like other secret groups right yes yes yes secret societies right I'm like I'm rich as [ __ ] I'm Jewish nobody asked me to join anyone of them secret societies right nobody I'm like hello can I at least get an invite to the cocktail party nobody nobody I'm like okay maybe it's me they fig you go you you going uh uh blow the lid on the thing no if it's cool I mean I've been to many parties I haven't said

[ __ ] right social media what are your thoughts on social media good bad good and bad right it's not so good for kids anymore um it's not good when it comes to politics and medical information there's ton of misinformation but I mean when it's social it can be great but social media isn't social anymore right you know maybe some on Instagram maybe some on Tik Tok but even there right you post something you think is no big deal and people are killing you right they're giving you [ __ ] about everything just because they

can and um there's just no way around that and even worse right the way the algorithms work now everybody's social media feed is different yes you know yours is different than mine than different than each one of the folks here everybody's different and so the way things are sold has changed the way people consume information is changed we have an election coming up right and everybody gets their own feed and nobody knows what's real information and everybody now thinks of things in like 15 30 second sound bites anyways Delante West he's falling on some hard

times and you've done several times you reached out and tried to help how hard is it to see someone that that played for you struggle um with brutal mental health illness brutal right cuz I thought we had him I thought we had him turned around you know we sent him down to um Jason's place down in Florida and it's like a farm Jason Williams and you know he's like he's making progress sending pictures Dante's emailing me and I'm like oh yeah we're getting this then Dante throws his [ __ ] over the fence disappears we

bring it back again making progress this is it same [ __ ] only so much you can do wow what can people learn from that story mental mental illness is real it is real and you just don't wish it away you don't just rehab it away you know I've got other friends you know Tanya these other people that I support and help um you just you want them to get help but some things you can't help on everything right you want a shareholder in Twitter before no I I wasn't I wasn't yeah I wasn't so

what's your what's your um back and forth with with Elon yeah oh man I just love to [ __ ] with him right it's like nobody likes to [ __ ] with him right so I'm like yeah cuz he'll turn your Twitter yeah right I mean he's got really thin skin and so it just makes it easy it's like he sets himself up right when when you think when it's your place and it's your business it's like a club right yeah come on in have a drink and every you just assume everybody's just going to

really you know say yes to you right right nobody ever says that dinner sucked right I just it's just fun and I don't have anything personal against him and I never initiate it right the only time I ever come go back at Elon is when he tries to [ __ ] with me so like he's called me a racist he's called me a fool he's called me all these different names so he's always calling me names and I don't care but if you're going to call me a name I'm just going to [ __ ]

with you right cuz it's cuz you're Elon if it's just some random what's the point how important is this election in 2024 everything to me I mean look if you don't think Donald Trump is a threat you don't think this is the most important election um I do I just don't I've known him for 25 years I don't trust him right I don't think he's moral I don't think he's ethical I've seen him rip people off I don't I don't believe pretty much anything he says and so to me you know I've been trying to

support KLA what are your thoughts on Dei on Dei I like it I think it's good for business right um you know I think a lot of people try to misrepresent what it is but to me diversity means you know good business go look for people where other people aren't looking right not all companies um recruit at HBCU right not all companies recruit you know at you know different schools where there's a large Indian population or where there's a large lgbtq populations and so you know I want like any other business element I want to

look where other people aren't because that's where you find smart people and then once you find those smart people that they got to be qualified you're not hire them if they're not qualified right but just some people think like okay I hired someone who's black or lgbq Or Hispanic well they must not be qualified no you're not going to hire them unless they're qualified right so the the Dei doesn't mean hiring less qualified people it just means finding people that more diverse yeah well just they happen to be diverse right you're looking at other people

right because you can be as diverse as you want you can be lgbtq trans Black and Hispanic but if you're not qualified qualifi you're not getting hired right that doesn't do you any good right but I want to go where other people aren't looking and then once you hire them the E is equity right it means I'm going to put you in a position to succeed I hired your ass right of course I'm G to try to put you in position yeah yeah and then um the ey what we're talking about is just I'm going

to let you be you right and so being inclusive means if you're lgbtq if you're trans I don't give a [ __ ] as long as you're good you do the job I care yeah I don't care right you be a lumberjack I don't care right you can walk around sing a Lumberjack Song I don't care right but you know I want to make sure people in the workplace in the organization respect that yes right if if you know you're a boy and you want to call yourself Sue I don't care right people are going

to call you Sue and some people they use it as an excuse if they don't get a job right right oh it must be Dei but no I mean and I think you were qualified for the either you're qualified or you're not right and once you get there just because you were hired and you're diverse doesn't mean you're getting a promotion doesn't mean you're getting the next job and to me that's what Dei is and that's why I've been a big supporter I want to get you out of here on this one Mark how hard

because you got married after you had already had some some paper major paper how would you able to tell that you know what she loves me for being Mark or do we ever do you really know yeah of course you know I mean if she'll let you hit you with the Dutch oven you got it no I made her I made her go to um to um oh my God I'm spicy out what the [ __ ] um the little Burgers White Castles right what I made her go to White that was the test before

we got married and so I'm going we're going to White Castles cuz I went to school in Indiana White Castles were everywhere right yes and so I was like we're going to White Castles and if you really love me you eat a White Castle burger she did WOW give me three things that you tell your kids because obviously you you want your kids to to be productive citizens you don't want to hand them everything so what are some of the advice that you give your kids because obviously they know who you are they know what

they what you have so what they have so number one is when your friends get drunk nobody cares right when you get drunk because you're my kid you're on the front page of the paper and you're all over social media so always pay attention to where you're at and what you're doing and be respectful right um number two you've got you've got to set your own path you know you you've got to understand that as you get older you're going to want to Def Define your own future so you're going to have to do the

work like I literally just wrote my son a note to to that effect um and then just generally right I say this to all kids um and all people right to be successful you have to be curious because the world's always changing you have to be agile um because the world's always changing and then I Al I also have a couple really stupid sayings right and you asked for three but I'm going to go further um number one is how you do anything is how you do everything right it applies to sports and I think

it applies to life right and I'll leave it at that one because that that's probably the most important because most people will cut every corner that they can right and I don't want them to cut Corners because you know they don't have to worry about money is it true that you don't have a chef a maid a butler I don't have we have a maid right so when I travel you know I've got different places I don't have anything there right so I'll do my own laundry I'll make my own food really yeah so it's

like I have a little [ __ ] hole in um Manhattan Beach in LA because it's close to the ocean and I hang um so yeah I'll get my own food there if I'm in New York we have an apartment there I do my own thing there yeah but we do up for us Mark yeah but I do in Dallas right we have somebody who cooks my food cuz um I try to eat healthy and my wife makes it for everybody else but she cooks her own food um but we do have we do have

people to clean the house it's 22,000 sare feet we ain't cleaning that [ __ ] right last question I'm get you out on this Anthony Edwards and Magic Johnson Ant-Man said I saw that basically Michael Jordan was really the only skilled guy back then so it was easy long story short magic said look I ain't taking I listen nobody they a won no titles they got no titles right no level I ain't what what are your thoughts on that because you know magic I know Magic 25 years you probably know him a little better than

I do but I've never heard magic go go back at somebody like that he's always super sweet there's magic yeah that was Irving right right that was Irving right and it's not like anybody else has brought the sky hook to the game either right you know with Kareem and so look a you know and that's his Vibe right he's he's going to talk he's going to talk [ __ ] he's going to stir things up so I respect that I mean he's been great for the NBA because he's just got a great energy to him

right and he's he's a social media kid right he grew up with that so that's the way it works but yeah magic was right in going back at him I'm glad he did Mark huban ladies and gentlemen this is great great job I really enjoy apprciate that awesome that was a lot of fun price want a slice got the roll of dice that's why all my life I've been grinding all my life look all my life been gruning all my life sacrifice hustle P the price want a slice got the roll a dice this my

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