NATASHA FERRAZ (PSICOTERAPEUTA) - PODPEOPLE #172

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] k [Music] [Music] Our guest today is a psychotherapist as well as founder of the first Brazilian Institute dedicated exclusively to psychological trauma . intense fear anxiety in social situations and the marks left Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of pod people the place where we meet to see and hear people People who Do People who happen People who inspire Our guest today is Natasha Ferraz and she's going to talk all about trauma All good my dear Hello people, what a joy you are here, thank you very much for the invitation,

it's a pleasure, thank you for having accepted our invitation Wow, I thank you. So, you have been doing a very incredible job. In my opinion, in Brazil to spread mental health, to spread good things, positive things, so doing a micro part of this already makes my heart super happy, thank you guys, I I'm going to tell you something, we only do this because we have good guests, oh, everything's good, my dear, everything's good, good evening, my dear, let's go, my dear, let's start . history uhum What was your professional trajectory like and why did you

choose such a burning topic, but so necessary, which is trauma, yes, I joke that I had no other option than to specialize in psychological trauma because I am a trauma survivor, right? a child who had to live with domestic violence, my father was an alcoholic and I experienced some things that no child should have experienced. In my opinion, and like any other person who experiences trauma, we ignore it, thinking that this is what life is and in As an adult, I obviously started to reap the rewards, which were, finally, years-old symptoms, sometimes depressive symptoms, I

cycle too much Ava and finally, with a very negative self-concept, limiting beliefs, my whole life, I'm stuck, I don't know if you can talk here, like every shit person feels like that's how I talk. In real life, we are exactly the same people, so with our whole lives screwed up and on this path in 2012 I started the Faculty of Psychology which I later closed and went back to finish but it was a choice, really you, not me, I realized that from a very young age people talk like that oh you should be a psychologist

because you have a knack for giving advice, you know, and so on, but I was so lost that I didn't even know what I was doing, I couldn't figure out exactly what I'm going to do, but there came a moment in 2012 when I said man What's up? I started to get interested in that, I stopped leaving, I took more than 40 training courses in the area of ​​human development because college at that moment then made sense again when I found the trauma at that moment, college for me wasn't giving me much of what I

wanted to study and then I went out and started At some point along the way in these more than 40 courses to get in touch with information about psychological trauma and at that point I had already tried almost everything to heal myself when I say almost everything is done thousands of Hours of therapy various approaches like everything I was Exhausted I said man my case there is no solution I'm going to have to settle for being unhappy having to live with these Tomas I had for example I don't know if someone made a negative comment

on my Instagram my brain I would read that violence Just like it had happened with my father and I started to shake all over, so it wasn't a functional life, you had to relive that situation exactly. I experienced several situations, the brain had a flashback there and you came back to that exact situation, I had Flashback situations, for example me I have a course that I remember that I was a self-knowledge course that I went to this course and the teacher was showing a video about the circulatory system but it reminded me of my racing

heart at the time of the traumas and I started to have a horrible flashback in the middle bad trip Totally that bad trip even symptom of post-traumatic stress so total check and I had already given up on healing myself And then when this content about psychological trauma came to me because it is relatively new within neuroscience because we have been studying trauma more vehemently in the last 30 years, in terms of science, nothing. Exactly, it's nothing, right? But when this content arrived, I I took that as my last hope I studied like crazy like 11

training courses in psychotraumatology congress and I said I'm going to learn this here and I actually managed to find it I know that we don't the people don't like us saying the word cure mine remission of symptoms but it is but I managed to find this place of inner peace and I said wow so many people must be in the same situation I want to bring this content to them which is again and I said then I recognize myself again so I go back to psychology school and If everything goes well next year, I'm going

out to do a master's degree in this area. Because here in Brazil, well, there aren't many options, let alone none, perhaps of master's and doctorate education in the area of ​​psychological trauma, and then I ended up falling in love with it and becoming a purpose like that I really feel God in my heart because this content about trauma is not very available in Brazil so and then I ended up here you found your meaning and purpose I found it from an experience What makes this much more eh more sense, right, it makes much more sense,

right, because you experienced this exactly and what time of your life did you realize that all the suffering, all the depressive symptoms of panic anguish You probably must have had some crises and you said this, folks, this has something to to do with these past experiences or or you didn't do this Association Of course, at the beginning I think that, for example, a patient never comes to me and says like that, no, Natasha, I'm traumatized and I would like to be treated, generally the person comes with symptoms, I I have anxiety, I can't ration myself,

ex take it away, this Panic takes away this exact anguish, even because the word trauma is a taboo. So I think people and even later we can talk about the concept of what trauma is because people are because this taboo makes people say, no, that didn't happen to me, right, to avoid coming into contact with the pain you experienced, so at the beginning I wouldn't say that I was conscious, I was whatever they told me that I want to get better, I want to get better But about 16 years ago, how old were you? How

old are I? I'm 37. I'm terrible at counting 20. 20 Something excuses everything . put ex my father had just passed away uhum and that took me to a very deep process of self-knowledge. At that moment I started to talk about wow there is a relationship between what I experienced in my childhood and adolescence and what I'm going through today but being aware that I was traumatized, I didn't have that, it was very recent and this definition of trauma was born because, for example, I think that everyone can suffer trauma, yes, the trauma has to

do with the situation itself or it has to do with the interpretation that the person makes based on that event because what event is a trauma for one person may not be a trauma for another, so let's start with this definition of trum. I loved that we started with this because then the people who are watching us are already everyone on the same page That's it. You believe that this is controversial, right? Because there is no official definition, even for scientists who study this, of what trauma is, so there are several views, right? And we

have the view, let's say it a little more narrow In my opinion, it is the DSM's view, for example, in the criteria for diagnosing tet, post-traumatic stress disorder, that trauma will be an experience where a real or perceived threat to life must have occurred, serious injury or sexual abuse, eh, or an attempt at of sexual abuse uhum eh and some people in my opinion confuse What is a criterion for diagnosing a post-traumatic stress disorder that is not trauma with the definition of what trauma is because this definition is for me it is very narrow exactly

Definitely because it does not define trauma It defines a stress disorder posttraumatic is a traumatic entity that gives a specific symptomatology but there are people even in the psychology of the country who use it, what do you think, but girl, one thing is one thing another thing is another thing, I know, but that's because what is obvious to us sometimes isn't it is obvious to other people and this ends up creating a culture of devaluing the pain of others because we talked here about three types of traumatic experiences we are not even remotely covering the

possibility of traumatic experiences So this is a point because the prevalence of PTSD depends on the studies between 9 and 25% so everyone who experienced a trauma between 9 and 25 will have this disorder but what happens to the other 75% that's why they didn't experience a trauma but the PTSD is what I think which is a big mistake because pts has to do with the nature of the event, for example, it is always something that would be extremely terrifying for anyone, exactly anyone, for example, I had a patient who had pts, he was walking

on Avenida Angélica in gi anópolis São Paulo and a woman simply committed suicide and threw herself and the woman's head hit his foot, my God, he froze there and then I say it like this, people. This is really something that no one leaves the house to say like that today, I I'm taking a walk someone is going to kill themselves and they're going to fall what a guy aab broke his foot God what a guy's head on my foot Yes This is traumatic for anyone yes there is no doubt about the event the point trauma

experts do not agree that just what every world would say that it is traumatic, it is the sinequanon condition for us to say that someone has experienced a trauma, for example, Gabor Matê, who is one of the main authors, right, author of the documentary, the wisdom of trauma, in fact, incredible, incredible, really, watch it and he says that trauma is not the event, trauma is the internal experience that I have of the event So there is a component of subjectivity but there has to be, right for me, stress poom is something now, perfect trauma, right?

We are talking about trauma, we can all have it according to the reaction that we make to a situation, yes, exactly, that will depend on countless factors of our resilience, our history of previous trauma, also because this will impact the way we will respond to future traumas, the amount of support we had at the time that we experienced that situation, this is one of the biggest predictors of whether a potentially traumatic event will generate trauma or not, the support we received, so there are so many factors, right ? The bad thing happened but the good

thing needed to have happened for my normative development that didn't happen, for example a child who needs a bond to survive and who doesn't receive it or who experiences some case of neglect. So what I didn't receive could also be traumatic TR and what is your definition, in your own way, for me, trauma is everything that exceeds our limit, our coping capacity and that will generate long-term consequences. I'm including this part because if it doesn't generate long-term consequences, you lived through traumatic event dealt with it our body has the capacity it was made to deal

with it you come back and sometimes even paste post-traumatic growth paste learnings because this is also a spring, sometimes a driving force too, for us to learn and grow and But This is something that violated our limit and caused us to develop negative consequences for our lives, that is, you put something from the point of view of those who suffer the level of reserve of strength or reserve of Wisdom or reserve of ex of self-overcoming that she has to face that exactly when she runs out when she doesn't have that reserve the situation becomes traumatic

exactly expert That's my vision not perfect perfect Not very well didactic because we're not defining post-traumatic stress it's another thing it's it's but It's just that this confusion creates I've seen people making posts like this, for example someone sending a box, I experienced this situation and for me it was a trauma, that's what the person's experience is and then professionals answering No, but that's not trauma because according to the DSM understands using something that has another function to devalidating people's suffering because there isn't even anyone who says this is trauma and if that's not the

case, the researchers themselves are constantly changing the definitions a little and learning and growing and evolving based on the definitions already created, right? you're saying, correct me if I'm wrong, what I'm interpreting here is as if the trauma were a callus uhum a callus where you are, as if your mind was paralyzed there because it didn't have the capacity to jump over that stone and the stone remained. there and every now and then I bump into that girl and that I don't have the capacity to jump over the stone exactly and depending on situations you

will say exactly what are the triggers that are the triggers that lead to that Exactly exactly perfect perfect it became perfect and when did you start to understand that you had experienced a traumatic situation and that this was absolutely connected with these little rocks that you couldn't jump and that every now and then you bumped into the same little rocks, yes, in that situation that I told you about during the course where I started to have a flashback, really, you know, vehemently, I started to have I had an anxiety attack and I started swaying in

this circle class in this class that had to do with the circulatory system, what did it have to do with I'm having a trigger, right? This is really crazy because trauma survivors usually say this D It was out of nowhere I don't know why I'm feeling this but your brain knows it picked up Some hint of danger that you're not consciously interpreting as a hint of danger and then I'm there shaking and I start talking he's going to kill her He's going kill her He 's going to kill her and my teacher Like what's going

on and I'm thinking he's who is going to kill what 's going on, you're also finding yourself strange in that situation, in that almost automatism, exactly without understanding anything, but that was so profound, I said mine. God, right? And then I went to find my mother, my mother's story, right? Because she was in an abusive marriage for 9 years, she also experienced a trauma situation. I need you to tell me the truth I know you told me Element about what had happened in my childhood but apparently you didn't tell me everything so please tell me

what happened and then she tells me it's an episode that I'm just telling here too because she has already worked hard enough and I tell her that sometimes our story inspires other people to overcome their pain too, so with respect to her I also share that but hey when I was, look how crazy when I was 1 year old and a half my father tried to make an attempt on my mother's life by hanging her in front of me Uhum And at that moment we don't have a fully developed declarative memory so I didn't have

a declarative memory of the event but when I was there my body remembered uhum it had a memory is implicit a memory of the brain that exact threat exactly but not because at 1 and a half years old the child is still the whole he does not have this individual individualization so that he has an individualized memory and he really doesn't have that memory he doesn't have how to have it if you're not informed, it doesn't have it, but look how crazy it is, somehow it's in my memory, it's here and it manifested itself in

that cat and in others, right ? that I had imagined And then as I studied why the symptoms were bordering on unbearable and this is the trauma survivor's problem, it's horrible to live in emotional dysregulation all the time, it's very difficult because you're not in control, you know, the brain reacts as if that danger was there now and in a way that you can't control, it's the famous kidnapping of Mía, I'm sorry, if you rationally think it's right or wrong for you to behave like this, you're going to behave like this and it's exhausting, right,

so when this happened and I I started researching about trauma I said oh my God it's not that I was emotionally injured I'm traumatized the first time I gave that name and as it's a taboo to talk about trauma sometimes just talking about trauma people get triggered I know some people can I tend to say no, but it's strange to say that I and the guy I was traumatized, but that was the door to freedom for me, you know, it was recognizing that yes, I am a former trauma survivor and yes, I was traumatized, no.

she was injured, she was traumatized, you know, it's because it's interesting because you see there will be people who will say like that, but the one who almost died was her mother, the one who was almost focused on, it was her mother, she too, not her too, but the fact is that that one-year-old child and the brain reacted as a threat to its integrity, you didn't, you didn't have an automatic reaction to save your mother, you didn't have that, but we have to understand that a child from 1 year and a half to TR 4

years old, what should you do to mother is done to her, she is an extension of her, seen through M, she was also attacked, exactly, and in therapy I felt when I started to process this, my feeling is that my life was threatened there too, especially because my only secure bond with a father in this situation it was my mother yes and she protected you exactly uhum no he was never physically violent with me, right he but you and she were the same thing at that age she is yours she was your reference of protection

so it was like PR we understand the extent how many traumatic events, right? Sometimes people say ah ah but he's a child so he won't remember the trauma so it doesn't matter and we have discovered with studies on trauma that it's just the opposite, the earlier the trauma, the more vulnerable the person is. to experience this trauma because when we are younger we have a window of opportunity, the brain makes several connections, specializing in pruning and everything else, but this also ends up becoming a window of vulnerability to experience this type of event, right? so

that's what happened to me to find things that don't depend on individualization but are there in the cake, ex exact, exact, perfect, and when you get it That's a window, opens a portal, things start, she pointed out and you began to see the possibility of you having the knowledge to start directing that brain, yes, exactly, I say that the brain is a beautiful, wonderful thing, but it is a complicated little machine because it is a little Mediocre and monotonous, it wants to survive and have pleasure, that's what it's about, that's what it's about, if we

don't understand that this little machine is very well made to perform all our functions but in terms of survival it will squeak at the front and in terms of I need relief I'm going to seek immediate pleasure Ah yes yes people don't drive this machine we will be at the mercy of this Total total when did this knowledge become an instrument of overcoming let's not talk about healing let's talk about overcoming I think overcoming is a good word right ex exact in fact as I said I was already working on myself in a way a

bit of a tentative error Uhum, you were looking for it, I went, that's what they said, which is to improve, I was going, right? And in the meantime, it ended up happening in some therapies where I looked for something very important for us to say, which is to withdraw an action that when you go look for a professional to help you, but sometimes they don't understand trauma, for example. And then during the treatment itself, you end up experiencing things that reinforce your trauma and I didn't know that, so this started to happen exactly, so throughout

the process I was very dedicated to my self-knowledge But very much like that person Ah, I needed to go to therapy three times a week I went, let's go, I wanted to, like, I just don't want to suffer anymore, whatever I have to do, I'm going to do it, but there came a point where I started to get worse and that gave me a warning, I said, what's going on? I do this so much, people, it's not normal for us, this is a point of attention, I think for everyone who seeks help, if you want

to improve better, you're doing your part and things They start to fall apart, there's something in the way you're looking for. Maybe you're wrong. You have to, think about it. And in this case, that's what it was happening to me, so quickly when I realized this and started studying about trauma, I started to understand that there were therapeutic modalities that were more in tune with this knowledge that I was accessing, I started doing these therapies, I started to feel a very quick change, a change in the sense of sometimes things that I had been working

on for years quickly started to make sense and have exact results and I started to feel that my nervous system was leaving hyperalert mode and I started to live the life I remember to this day. Even a friend of mine, Artur, we were talking about this that when we start to process trauma and the nervous system switches off the alert system, there was a day when I said oh, this is how normal people live, my God, this It's really good, I can't believe there are people who live like this all day long. For me, it

was my God, I 'm not on hyper alert, so I started to realize that my nervous system was returning to normal. And then I started to see my whole life transform my relationships my work my relationship with my husband so what made me change It really was an act of actually being a therapy client of something that made sense with this whole theory but also emotional self-regulation, learning when I'm dysregulated when I'm regulated what do I have to do to be able to return to this state of self-regulation of comfort Exact vital That's right, because

the state of regulating emotional regulation is almost a good drug, because it's good, yes, wow, life is very good It's so good here, it's like someone who has pain is free of pain, understand, someone who lives with tac Cardia, I didn't even feel that my heart was beating, it's normal, it's there and And as I was doing this, something very incredible actually happened, which is there was a part of me that had given up on living, I never had severe suicidal ideations and everything else because I always did too, I'm going to heal, I'm going

to find a way Uhum, but there was a part of me that didn't see the point in being alive, right? That's the part that ends up defeated by all these traumas and difficult things that we experience because I had other challenges at the time, also financial, so it wasn't just the trauma, life is challenging, right in itself, but as I healed I started to feel joy again of living I started to feel my spiritual connection with God again I started to feel joy again in the little things And then I said my God that's it

I saw it seemed like you were blindfolded right it seemed like I wasn't seeing life through That's when everything started to touch my heart with this purpose because I know what it's like to be in a place where you have no hope and where you think there's nothing to do, there's no way out, there's no way out, you're not going to take away the life but you will live to pass the time to leave the time to leave exactly more or less like this and know why today when I'm talking about trauma it's not that

it's just theory I know it's possible like I took this path I I know what it's like to be there in total hopelessness So that's what motivates me not only did you study You lived here and managed to put it into practice in your own life but you you went to seek knowledge at some point you ended up doing trauma therapy Of course, okay you went to one you went to one you ended up going with a therapist specialized in trauma as your instrument and then you started to have this emotional regulation, it's obvious that

it's a four-hand job in the sense that therapy is an hour, right? once a week and it was extremely important but I was also practicing everything I read on myself, I was my laboratory, right? So I started doing everything on myself, always very dedicated to self-knowledge as I always was, but obviously I did it and did more one because I love it like Oh what is it like this one would have trauma and this one I love not only studying but I saw you not only it was to improve but also to learn there was

a mixture of I have to improve but I have to learn It's as if you had already been prepared to later turn this into a therapeutic arm for the others Totally, there were so many moments that I thought about giving up that I said, man, I can't handle it, that's enough, I'm going to give up And then, a few months ago, a follower of mine sent me a message, after watching one of my courses, and said, "Nata, I just wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart for choosing you." not giving up because

because of that I 'm also choosing not to give up, that's beautiful, so that's what's starting to happen and I feel like, in fact, I feel like this is my life purpose that God has placed in me since the beginning. first trauma that I experienced I feel like I was already walking this path so I'm talking about it being done to get to this moment and the others that will come exactly and Natasha tells me something What are the most common traumas we defined trauma I think It was fine, it was very chewy, right? The

pebbles, yes, from time to time we bump our foot there again and it hurts all over again, a little open wound, right? Always on the big toe, which is already hurt on the little toe, exactly what would be the main types of trauma? I don't know if I do because there are two ways of explaining it, you want to know, you know the main types of trauma, for example, categories of trauma, however you want to put it, but I'm going to bring it with your experience like this . I'm going to bring it more to

people's daily lives in a way that I think will help them more than PR for the technician, kind of for the technician, yes, I think the main trauma that most of us experience and the statistics about trauma. Including me, I saw I hadn't yet accessed a study yesterday about trauma statistics in Brazil because almost all studies are outside and in this study it said that 89% of Brazilians who were in the study with more or less 4,000 people had lived some traumatic experience and the statistics 89 quite what I'm saying, we're all going to see,

it's a Universal experience , right, unique from the point of view of those who suffer, exactly, so it's a very high statistic, so considering that it's universal, that practically all of us experience it, I think the main trauma that What we experience is the trauma of not being able to be who we are because when we are children we will have, according to Gabor Matat, who is one of those great experts in trauma, he says that when we are children we have two basic needs, one is the bonding because we are born extremely vulnerable and

the baby, right, if he doesn't have help, he won't be able to survive, he can have food here under cover, if he doesn't have help and bonding, he won't be able to survive, so one of the main needs is bonding. and the other is authenticity and how Gabor puts it authenticity is the need to connect with my internal needs with my limits and express that authenticity for him is that's not Doing what I want when I want it is exact It's being true to your essence, that's what includes realizing my limits, I'm sad, I'm angry,

I'm thirsty, I'm authentic to what I feel, authentic to who I am, I'm being true to myself, I'm being true to myself, that's it, right? he says that in childhood these two needs begin to conflict because when a child, for example, is feeling angry and wants to be authentic and express the anger that he or she is feeling, sometimes he or she begins to realize that this is threatening the bond, the bond And then at some point we make a choice between authenticity and bonding and we end up for survival choosing bonding by choosing bonding

and when we do that this becomes an operating mode where we are always privileging bonding, right, other people's vision of other people about us about us and this leads to a very big disconnection with who we are and apart from that the trauma we can react with trauma with fight flight freezing but there is a component of trauma which is the dissociation that causes that when we experience a very challenging event, we disconnect from ourselves because it hurts too much to feel, so then combine that with this bond and authenticity dynamic and we become adults

who don't know who we are dissociated dissociated disconnected from us with a lot fear is traumatized from being who we are our brain learns that if I am who I am if I express myself I lose the bond I lose the bond I am judged I will experience some kind of danger so I will be rejected exactly so this is one of the main traumas that I think happens that we cannot be who we are another main The trauma that I think also happens is the trauma in relationships because our parents' relationships will shape the

way we see relationships in general and our relationships with them also relate to us, we are human beings, we are mammals, right? to begin with, so we are social beings, the bond is very important, not only this bond between the main caregivers but us Man, I don't know about you, during the pandemic, but people started to be alone, this affects our emotional health, right, so relationships are extremely important and studies show that the main protective factor for trauma is a support network, it's who is with you, like are you going to undergo surgery alone or

with someone holding your hand uhum This completely changes how you will experience the surgery and your time in the hospital So If that's the case, relationships are important, but if in childhood my relationships weren't safe , I couldn't be who I was, I didn't feel like I could receive affection and love, on the contrary, I received criticism, bullying, etc. I'm going to create an apprenticeship, a circuitry here in the brain that relating is not safe but at the same time I need to relate So you have to cancel me out to relate or you have

to cancel me out to relate so relationships too I would say they are a big topic where people experience a lot traumas and in Brazil we also cannot stop talking About traumas that will also have a structural origin we live in an extremely poor unequal country So people live in situations of survival even at a terrible survival level where they feel that they will never they can relax and in fact, then some children will be forced to work from an early age, having their childhood stolen, not being able to live, or being paralyzed, or in

other words, putting children in a position that their parents should be occupying, so there is a very large range, but I I would say that relationships, my relationship with myself, which will also lead to problems of self-esteem, right, self-confidence and this structural issue in Brazil, which is very important, I would say that it could be the bridge between the three large groups, right? In my view, yes, in my view. Yes, interesting, you're saying it because when we stop being faithful to ourselves, and a traumatized person who opted for bonds, we, as you put it, opted

for bonds. So, she lost her , uh, loyalty to herself, her authenticity, I think loyalty, Aim. even maybe it's easier for people to understand, yes, yes, any relationship she has in the future, she will never have a relationship with anyone again because she is not the one being related, it's as if it were a fake, a fake that she created, yes, exactly, a mask, mask to relate And you're saying this I see because I receive a lot of messages, a lot of emails and it's very common for people to send them to me and I

know that people say it with great affection Because there is a trust that isn't spoken about, I've never seen it but eh where people say I don't know what I like I don't know who I am yes and I take the fragment of other people's lives so that I can exist So I don't know if I like it or not Of course the person doesn't know so I'm going to dress like that person, I'm going to have that person's musical taste, so it's like the person makes a patchwork of little pieces to build, trying to

build an identity that in reality is constructed, there will be a time when that becomes certain and it collapses, right? we have to actually deconstruct this to find who we are underneath, right exactly what it was when before everything happened what was really your Essence your base I think this must be a big challenge in your therapeutic work ex Yes, yes, I believe that the range of traumatic experiences that a person can live through is gigantic. So whoever works with trauma will basically work with not in an Ocean with a lot of with a lot

of plastic no because there is no exact stone It's kind of like psychotraumatology, right, which is the study of the psyche in relation to trauma, it's like a giant umbrella, right? So there are subareas, right? For example, abuse sexual war trauma , refugee people and traumas that have to do with attachment, so like, it's a world, right, but what I perceive in general, regardless of the trauma that the person has experienced, is that the trauma will really lead to this, I call it defragmentation, which which is this defragmentation because in trauma memory it is not

processed like a normal memory, so the person is as if they have fragments of traumatic experiences being amalgamated there in their personality, some they are aware of, others they are not, so they start and so account of the dissociation that is very common in all traumas, she becomes disconnected from herself because it is unbearable to stay inside herself along with this memory processing that is altered along with other things that happen in the brain that are already well documented and the person, they can no longer be inside their body because their body is the worst

place in the world for them, so simple things like the level of satiety or if I'm thirsty or not thirsty or if that person is feeling bad with her I'm feeling good I can't say it anymore because I'm not exactly here and our emotions our Sensations are Our compass our body is Our compass so yes if someone approaches you and you feel tight that looks for that, yes, it can be a trigger , but it can also be a legitimate reaction if I'm no longer connected with it, it's obvious that I don't know my limits,

I don't know anything else, right? I don't know anything else And then there are people that I imagine and I imagine I haven't seen it and you have a lot more data than I do in the sense that these people are prepared for entering into toxic relationships. Wow, not just for that to develop the whole thing , an umbrella meta-analysis has just come out with 14 other meta-analyses saying that the trauma triples the risk of mental disorder, so we already have robust information on the correlation of trauma with disorders, not only trauma disorders, stressors, which

I don't even need to talk about, right, but in addition to anxiety disorders and depressive disorders, and bipolarity, despite having the genetic component also has a correlation But it would be a big trigger, it's a trigger that opens, right, it opens and sometimes worsens the course, it keeps it chronic and borderline, so we're saying that it's basically a factor that will generate consequences for the mental health of the person. person as a whole, then it will lead to abusive relationships, it will make the person, generally the person traumatized, they have two standards or they will

have a highly avoidant pattern, that person who has relationship phobia, for example, they don't want to or don't get close. Or else she stays there and gives her a few kisses, but when the bond she feels deepens, the exact emergency exit leaves her with a flaw, right? I even think of some friends who have this pattern, the person can be perfect, but at the time started to create the bond, she will somehow find a defect in this man so she can get rid of the relationship because the relationship for this brain is dangerous, right? So

either there will be an avoidant pattern Or there will be a pattern where this person no longer notices the the Red flags the red flags the signs of danger because the danger is her daily life so every day she was something known is that the chemistry of that danger is the beans and rice that she eats every day she is used to that sign of danger, so when the danger signal arrives, oh, it's normal, family, part of it is booing, right, it's known hell, it's known hell Uhum And then the person will obviously jump in,

even though all the signs are out in the open, they won't be able to not go reading, you won't be able to read and sometimes there are some people who theorize about, you know, the compulsion to repeat, Freud said this since I don't know when, which is this unconscious attempt to expose yourself to a trigger similar to your trauma uhum so that you have a new opportunity to reprocessing what is hidden is like that which is hidden is always looking for a way to come, right, to appear, I exist but I'm here, I'm here, it's

like this is how I'm going to repeat it to try to see if I wake up, if I solve it because the load is still here, right? the load of the trauma so it's as if it were the trigger the abusive relationship awakens the load as if it were an unconscious way for you to seek your healing this is one of the looks, okay I'm not saying it's the only one But this is one of the looks, looking is a lot It's dangerous for us to look at it only from this perspective because it awakens

But if I don't have the knowledge to awaken to increase to experience traumatic reliving and you stay in a state of mind that you end up oved from this, you become swallowed up by what most people think of. This means that everyone who works with me Our purpose is to disseminate knowledge about trauma not only to people who work in our field and everything else, but to everyone to make it intelligible to everyone because if the population has more knowledge about it and these subjects, for example , that we are bringing up in this podcast

today, they can reflect on and perhaps interfere in this moment of being the trigger for the right search. robustness is scientific, you said that trauma ends up having a correlation with different mental illnesses, right, and anxiety disorders, depressive disorders, bipolarity, there must be a lot more too, Borderline psychosis, all of this, a trauma therapist, she has to have a very well-structured partnership with a good psychiatrist who has this exact vision chaotic for the love of God my dream as a princess was that chaotic it's impossible there's no way it can't be exact It's not clear

and you have this total difficulty because so first we have the great difficulty for example she's saying something thing I always realized that the biggest difficulty when I attended was having psychologists that I could share was already a challenge that alone was already difficult it was already difficult BOL and being able to eee today for example there is a psychologist who works for us and she does the behavioral and does dialectics and dialectics for the borderline, for example, it's life, it's oxygen, so many times I said to her, ah, there's this situation like this, I

said, this is a traumatic trigger uhum, let's look more at this, let's take it here Let's take this experience here, right? And then it was so interesting when she did the intervention, she was right, she sent it to me and we exchange a lot of information all the time, Alex too, and then she said, I can't believe it, it was as if she had done magic, take it with your finger like this, the problem , right ? Anyway, listening to us here, professionals and not, but for example there is a study that was carried out

in the United States, there is no study starting in Brazil, not that I know of to evaluate phds in psychology because there to practice in the clinic you need to have a phd that is a little different from here and how many percent of these phds in psychology had had any training in trauma do you know how many 8% is so if this is the reality you there my love here the less you understood my problem is less o less o less o Do you understand my problem then yes no which I think is the

problem with what's on the cutting edge, we haven't been here for a long time, and I've always been against it. It's Mediocre, it's ridiculous, and this fight between psychologists and psychiatrists is nonsense . I'm from school such people we are two patients the objective of psychiatry the objective of psychology is to make people's lives better is to give them their vital comfort this doesn't go through me it doesn't go through you so the objective is not us exactly, right? the focus we are not exactly exact, so there is no such thing as Ah, who did

better as a Psychologist because, for example, you take a patient with borderline or a patient with borderline, I'm giving an example, it could be with depression if he reaches a completely unstable, you can't work on the trauma, there's no reason why Because you have to stabilize and that's what I always said to them , right? three months I have to I have to stabilize this P But that's scary touch on that I said don't touch that I have to get it out it's underground minus C I have to get a person with depression very very

brave now he's breathing She's on the third floor, when she's on the seventh, we can start moving, perfect, people. Even I work with us, it's called a model of clinical reasoning that calls therapy in three phases to work on trauma, the first phase is stabilization and safety, the second phase is trauma processing and the third phase is integration and training of new skills, safety and stabilization always comes first. If you want, you can do trauma processing on a person who is not safe and stabilized, you will only sink them into a place, my God, there

is no such thing. It's care because she will feel, you see, I have no way out, not exactly, and you will strengthen that circuitry of fear of I can't do it, I'm incapable and there's no solution, and the person won't get out of there. Never again, so I know there are a lot of people. therapists Well-intentioned, obviously, the majority are well-intentioned and want to help. That 's enough, good intentions are fundamental, but knowing when to act, there are times when acting means not acting, just welcoming, just how many times and there were patients who for

a year I said don't change he's not ready for this yet a patient came to him I want it because I want it so she's asking I said she's asking and they're really asking, you know, desperate, we understand because of that pain he wants to take that pain away immediately but he insisted so much so much so much What I said is at your own risk, it's not at your own risk, what happened then, I arrived, I gave you a hand, I said, you understand, the amount of love we have for you, how beautiful, so

I just want to trust us when we She says don't move when later I said, it's time, she's sure , even she was already worried, right ? speaking when you talk about those, the majority develop mental behavioral disorders, I like to talk about behavioral because it changes behavior, right, and mental it seems like an ethereal thing like that, right, it changes, right, and it changes functionality, yes, in general, rarely does anyone seek help if it is functional, i.e., a person totally, no, I'm not, look, I'm happy, I'm great and I'm wonderful, I 'm going there

to treat my trauma, we'd like to, I think there will come a point where people will be reasonably not sick and will talk, people, I had to see this point of mine, but It's the minority Because people don't have this knowledge, exactly, so that's why I'm saying at the beginning, I don't see how a person can arrive and go to trauma treatment, it's a process that depends on each person, there are people who arrive ready Because they've already done one previous therapy and you are already stabilized, you underwent treatment, I don't know, you had depression,

at least you got out of depression, exactly what, now we can navigate this sea, exactly why this partnership is so important, now if it is difficult to find therapists who understand trauma, you will imagine, for example, in psychology college, I know you didn't, but in medicine you learned something about trauma, not later, just in reality, I think that any college today will be good if it inspires you to seek knowledge, it's not even after you outside you give the basics and from there you have to inspire your student so that he Search my dream is

that in this basics we talk a little about trauma also no yes because mainly for example in the area of ​​Psychology it's like the beans with everyday rice like it's a very important thing but that's what I'm saying this partnership needs to exist nowadays thank God for me working with this I know psychiatrists who I can refer to who know about trauma Who understand the importance of not will disrupt the process and they know home in the sense, look, now it's there, right? And this exchange is important, right? This exchange is also on both sides,

this is important on both sides, so it's a very big challenge, and so the more I talk about trauma on my social networks, the more the request What I hear most from the people who follow me is for the love of God, tell me someone trustworthy who really understands trauma PR, you can see how training in this sense here in Brazil is in its infancy and this is a project we have for next year to create this directory here in Brazil we are in 1 meetings processes lawyer contact pto I can't say everything yet but

we want if there was a place for us to research psychiatrists, doctors, nutritionists, therapists, psychologists who understand trauma, what place would this be because this is a knowledge that is not just for clinical practice, it is for everything, for example, if the nutritionist is going to receive a person with binge eating, for example, it is not enough to just give a menu, you know, you need to take a much deeper look, look at the psyche, what she is eating, right, what emotion is she? She's eating , right? Why couldn't she follow that menu and not

blame the person Oh, why don't you help me ? in addition to her ability to see in that moment to see in that moment, so I think it has to reach the entire health area, especially, but in my dream, like a princess, for the whole society, but I think we are in a process like that Nat I think I'm very optimistic, I've always been, I think we've had a moment like this, at least in my area, let's focus on mental health . So my best student is going to do psychiatry, that 's a crazy waste,

even that was considered a taboo, right? I looked at him and said, I think the opposite, he said, but it's something that no one knows anything about, I said, that's why you need the good ones. Oh, if I were the worst clinical student I wouldn't go I said I want what you don't know yet he said hello I don't forgive you I said but there's no need I'm sure what I'm going to do I got goosebumps and years later he had a seizure panic called me for the love of God Disregard everything I said, I'm

glad you did that, so it was such a calling because everyone looked at me like that, like, you, I expected you, everyone wanted me to be a student in the chair that I would pass because I was always very interested, very dedicated and in contact So people say you're not going to do cardiology, you heard all the specialties, no I went through Pediatrics What do you mean you're not going to do Pediatrics I said I'm not going to do psychiatry beautiful psychiatry psychiatry at my college State, the werge was in a little house outside the

hospital, my God, it was like, it was a reservoir, it was segregated there, and the psychiatry people understood Oh, the renia people, it was almost like treating leprosy, there was a separate house, Yeah, but that's what it is, today we see we see so many people wanting it and it's never been needed so much, we live in a country where we have the highest rate of anxiety disorders in Latin America, we have a record for depression, so we need it, the time is right, that's changing, right, and I think that we're starting to have a

good side and that I think is super important because we're also creating a bubble within social networks, yes, it's starting to start, well, it's starting to hold hands and let's move forward so I think you'll make it total is and for example the authors themselves Bessa Vandercook gabor Mateu Peter levini the guys they like 30 years ago if you work with psychiatry it's gone you will destroy your career imagine saying I'm going to work with psychological trauma they say it's like You're not inventing an exact specialty You 're crazy, this doesn't even exist, even the

medical texts from the time of 75 or so in the United States that you learned about in medical school defended things like basketry, so you can imagine at that time in the college textbook, okay? saying that you say it was almost preparation from a child to exact sex life It's like no I read certain things I said no you're kidding me that this was in the book And then they say how difficult it was for them so I'm very grateful for all the people who came before For example, you chose to do psychiatry because there

were people who came before me, you opened the way, this is much easier to say . Today you are opening the way and many other people are opening the way, so I think there is a PG geometric progression movement. It's not arithmetic progression and I think the power of social networks brings this, we can say much more so that we can inspire people to study Natália, us, right, to deal with trauma and what are the first steps so that we need a care, then identify this patient's emotional dysregulation, what strategies can we be taking, right?

to help this person who is at home suddenly with trauma watching us now, yes, or perceiving or perceiving, right? Could what I experienced be a trauma and how can she have this self-care of starting to deal with her where her dysregulations are possible strategies like that, okay, I love it because I love talking about how to solve it because that's what excited me about studying tra I said there's a way to solve it I have hope, right? So I love saying this, it's obvious that when we talk about trauma and I know that this isn't

accessible to everyone and that's sad, but we're going to have to at some point talk about specialized therapy for this, but we leave this here for now but healing from trauma is not just therapy you are healing and exposing yourself to triggers every second of your life your life is a healing life or your life is a triggering life so let's build a life In the United States they call them glimmers, which is like the opposite of the trigger, which is something that makes your nervous system feel relaxed, insecure, the opposite of the sensation of

the trigger. So the first thing would be positive triggers, exactly positive triggers. So I think that the first thing that the person needs to do, if it is possible for them, is to actually map out what things trigger them, this is important information, what they realize that when they experience this, it brings about a state of emotional dysregulation, it is a first point, the second point is When I'm dysregulated, I love a concept from Daniel Saon, I know if you've heard of the window of tolerance Uhmm , he says that our nervous system will oscillate

between activation of the sympathetic nervous system and deactivation of the parasympathetic system, normally this is a healthy nervous system, it's not a straight line right, we get stressed soon, either you're in one or you're in the other, no, we're not, we're like a B Zem Buddhist all the time, right, we live, there are moments there and we go up and down but this goes up and down, it has to happen within a window of tolerance and he says that when you go up a lot, the graph goes up from the window, which is when you

have anxious symptoms or when you go down a lot on the graph and you have the depressive or hypoactive symptoms when this happens is when we experience emotional dysregulation and the annoying trauma this window then anything makes the person access a state of desaction Facha much less and flexible is more exactly so first Ah what brings me theses and trigger because stress is also very important, then we can talk about what causes me stress and triggers Oh, that's it, and when I'm triggered, I'll have more anxious symptoms, I'll have more depressive symptoms , or I'll

cycle, which is also possible. between the two things and then, thirdly, you ask yourself this question because you will need to learn to self-regulate and the strategies that regulate those at the top of the window are not the same ones that regulate those below the window, so this alone is a simple concept that I like to bring up because if the person is completely dissociated and goes to do 30 minutes of transcendental meditation, it may have the opposite effect and they come out more collapsed, I'm not saying it's always like that, but sometimes the If

the person is in a more depressive state, what they need is a small movement, putting a little in this nervous system, if the person is very anxious, they can do diaphragmatic breathing. A technique that I love is where in my body I feel discomfort, let's assume it's in the heart, most people feel it in the heart, in the stomach, right? So, right? So, put your hand in that place where you are feeling discomfort, feel your hand there, what happens when you feel hugging a pillow makes the exhale longer than the inhalation because the exhalation has

a slightly more parasympathetic component than the inhalation. So there are techniques that are more ideal to use depending on your level of dysregulation and if where you are in the window, yes, what symptoms are you predominating in this dysregulation ? Ah, more or less what triggers me when I trigger myself I'm going to which place in the window and I learn techniques to use in each moment, my God, that's it, that's already 50%, my God, you already know yourself, you 're already achieving it where I can And then yes, then I go to and this

is so important for healing from trauma there is no cure from trauma without learning emotional self-regulation why Because this even we have already touched on this subject before Here will be a cool link but the rush, for example , of the patient, I want to be cured, the person arrives desperate to be cured and for me there is a part of me that when he arrives like this I feel happy inside in the sense that just making the patient stop being in a rush is 50% of the process Because his rush makes him leave the

window of tolerance and reinforces the trauma because every time I leave the window An overload happens so the person gets stuck true so What is my logic when the person arrives in a hurry I I'm talking before we go there to dive into this tsunami that you and I are going to drown together, we're going to learn when you why why the person wants to be in a hurry because they're out of control and don't know what to do with it, of course, so when we She teaches her emotional self-regulation, which is what you do

when you're dysregulated, she starts to think, so the trauma doesn't have all that control over me because when I feel like this I know what to do little by little, she gains confidence that she's the master of those symptoms that she can feel things instead of things possessing her she is not the exact symptoms and This changes everything changes everything the whole process so when the person starts to respect themselves and talk when the patient starts to talk like that to me no Natasha no let's go to this memory, no, because I'm already at my

limit, my desire is to say Yes, you understand everything, knowing yourself, knowing yourself to the point of respecting the perfect moments, respecting the limit is healing from trauma because trauma is a violation of the limit, that's exactly it. so she's having corrective experiential learning, the opposite of TR, taking care, I'm protecting myself, perfect, that's it, so for those who don't yet, they can't do therapy. Obviously, we can even talk about some that we know are good for this, but if the person can't go to therapy if they can simply ask themselves how do I add

security to my environment what brings me comfort comfort brings me security and then generally trauma survivors are so desperate to Heal themselves that they talk oh how silly ah telling me to hug the pillow because you don't know what I'm going through, you have no idea, you don't know what it is, you have popcorn, right, to distract me bubble Rosa, you're traveling but it's just the pillow silly girl who sends a message to your brain the danger has passed because if there was a tiger here I wouldn't be there hugging this pillow for sure and

then you can turn off the limbic system and the primitive brain system there in the brainstem Oh then you can reason again So you intervene in the automatism of the machine Exactly exactly which is symbolic which is totally symbolic cultivating good relationships support network for our brain is everything you know being able to be with the people you can be you don't be afraid to really privilege the people you can be authentic because this heals and connects part of our brain that means we can't feel danger and safety at the same time, either I feel

danger or I feel safety. So when I think about what brings me safety, I turn off this automatism, you know? these are accessible things movement is very important so movement for those who are more prone to depressive and collapsed symptoms Oh but I can't work out Alright then just move your foot in your bed like this, just try doing this for 10 minutes and see what will happen The only movement you can do is take a shower, this movement is great, do it and tell me what's happening And then after you took a shower, there's

another movement you can do, you'll create a positive cycle so you can get rid of the system. nervous about this collapse aut of the exact negative automatism, so perfect, I think this is it for those who can't, right, do the therapy, perfect, the Brazilian Institute, right, you're from trauma, this is the challenge you're mounting, yes, io ibt, how wonderful, we're rooting for If it works out for me too, it will certainly be very very incredible and it will actually be an NGO because the objective is to attract the best professionals from Brazil and abroad to

have exact research content to have exact research content to do it already captured it I love it that you don't even need to say already understood that trauma in Brazil is necessary, it is different from the American trauma, which is different from the trauma in India, so we need to have research that is compatible with our reality, it is obvious, there are more and more people arriving and we decided to be an UnG to get any personal interest out of the way and we can focus on what matters, which is Trauma Survivors, what matters, which

is bringing knowledge, which is training professionals, which is our dream, it will be that one day Brazil will be a country informed about trauma And that this knowledge can reach schools, it can reach families, it can also reach offices, but it can reach companies, for example, we were talking about the super cool environment that you created here on the podcast with your team, this is bringing this knowledge about trauma for our daily lives is not just about going there to process the trauma It's definitely about changing our perspective to a more compassionate and loving perspective,

creating positive triggers, creating a society full of gers, creating positive triggers, this is our dream, let's go put the pipinho reporter pipinho wants to ask something Bru is Bru you're so traumatized so trauma but hugged but then it can't be from the front but I think it's more acante it was he felt because it's possible to understand from the back we're so dis another one hugs you With your back turned, we're always going to do a double hug, right? We always have to keep an eye on him, but he feels more protected, more protected, when

we hug because then he'll feel more secure, so cute, Bru Ah, it makes perfect sense, it makes perfect sense, you because you know that there is literally someone protecting you from behind Wow and look what a beautiful thing my F I hope people are also feeling this a little because before I came I kind of connected with God and said God the only thing I want to go through is that each person has something nice about you you speak with peace you bring peace in your speech she Natasha has something sensational you speak with joy

in your eyes your eyes are horny it's not that thing you know I lived it and that's why I'm here to fight, no, you bring it, you know, he's wonderful, seriously, it's not true, he's performative, but this peace is the peace of those who have been cured, you understand, because of those who are, you know, I can have the confidence to talk about it. No, it's not that. eyes the Institute is going to leave then we are going to leave we can be godmother no I already wanted to show you everything in oh here godmother

we will not be godmother tell the ribbon we are now going back to Repórter pipim please explain you can have your tea we have a community called community be sustainable human uhum ok it's a community that we only have people who want knowledge in exactly some form it doesn't matter if they went to college If they didn't they are people who love knowledge and then we give them a voice through their questions to you then 15 days or so before you are here with us, we present your content for them on Instagram on Instagram they

won't go and we ask them not to follow because you find those people strange because there are 2000 people in the community alone, okay, you'll say what I said that all these people are there, they generate questions So the We try to get their questions, you know, because sometimes the three questions are the same thing And then we ask them and we give them a voice Okay then, let's get started, let's go Let's do it like me, I'll read it to you like I don't my grand-niece of jov Come on, Aunty Come on then, come

on, how to identify if you are dealing with psychological trauma What are the common signs that we should look out for the list of possible trauma symptoms it's a Bible but I'm going to try to bring it like this, it's serious, right? Even my students say that, well, if all this here could be a symptom of trauma, I must have some trauma, but I think the most common symptoms are symptoms of hyperactivation , so what are anxious symptoms? I'm always with an imminent feeling of danger a common start then anything scares you anything you find

yourself alert this is a very common sign intrusive thoughts intrusive images so thoughts that pop into your head without you wanting to and without you being able to expel images that pop into your head eh a more anxious state of bazal also exact fear more avoidant symptoms so the person avoids certain situations avoid doing a live because I'm afraid of judgment avoid going to a place avoid talking to that person so living as it is it's almost like a prison the person is always avoiding certain situations, people and places, this is also quite common to

happen as if they were always waiting for something to happen, it's going to go bad. There is an expectation that something will always be there lurking, so this is also a symptom, well common with trauma, we also have flashbacks that we talked about on the podcast, which is when you imagine, for example, a war veteran who is traumatized And then he's in the parking lot with several cars and he starts to hear the exhaust and he lowers it automatically as if he was in a shootout So this is a symptom of Flashback which is when

the past meets the present I can no longer know where I am so flashbacks are also common the person can have a negative self-concept of themselves very intense then very dysfunctional beliefs about themselves and They tend to be beliefs almost as if there is no other alternative you can give the person any argument you want no but don't look well it's not like that No you are not a failure No you are not a mistake, no, you are not rubbish, it doesn't matter the person feels this internally in a very consolidated way, so a feeling

of guilt, shame, shame, severe procrastination is also something quite common in traumatized people, and emotional dysregulation is a symptom like this, champion of tral is the champion which is when you actually realize, as I said about the window of tolerance, that little takes you out of your emotional organization, you are in control of your emotions. In other words, there are many, many, many possibilities, but I would say that in short, if you ask yourself this question, there are something in my life some emotion some behavior some situation that brings me suffering that makes my life

not work the way I would like it has been happening for a long time and I have a lot of challenges to transcend It seems like there is a blockage, it's a Flag of you asking yourself Is there not something in your history that could have contributed to this, we don't, right? Obviously we have questionnaires you can do with a therapist to check whether or not you have a trauma, but even so they they are not definitive, no one can tell you that you are experiencing trauma except yourself, so I think it involves reflection, ex,

in this sense, be aware of these little red flags, right, something that is always repeated in situations and that loses your control ISO Bring this dysregulation I think it's the most fearful thing Exactly I think this is something that exactly turns on a perfect little signal next Bru Natasha after a serious car accident I have an intense fear of driving again how can I overcome this fear and regaining confidence behind the wheel, first of all don't blame yourself if this is happening because you have an intense fear of driving again because This is perfectly normal

if you experience a car accident every time you want to make a move in the direction of driving again and you felt the symptoms of post-traumatic stress, embrace your body, it's wise if it's telling you that it is, it's not because it doesn't feel safe and what's more and anything you want to force in this sense reinforces the problem because for the brain you're like you need to protect me even more since she's not listening he's going to reinforce this crazy woman is not taking it seriously anxiety she's in the car so I'm going to

have to I'm going to turn on the siren what do I I'm going to have to make her pay attention to me, right? So I think we learn about ourselves, self-compassion is the first step, for any trauma, I'm talking about this, but for any trauma, self-compassion changes everything, including self-compassion and trauma studies, it's a something like that sister twins so firstly this secondly you are going to look for a trauma informed therapy and a therapy that uses the first ba the first principle of the trauma informed approach is trauma treatment and safety so if you

realize that your therapist doesn't have what they said here which is calm What is the moment there in the memory of the car of the accident when we go there if you think the person arrived with their foot at the door wanting to have an abortion good night let's go Looking at your trauma makes you suspicious that it might make the situation worse. So search, type on Google trauma informed, type for example, there are already some well-known techniques for managing trauma, I don't know if it's appropriate to talk about them here or not that you

If you want, but for example, we have Peter Levine's somatic experience, which is a more body-based technique. We have the emdr, which is a technique that I think is fantastic . some CBT focused on trauma, I would go more for these, so if you type on Google CBT focused on trauma, you will find some subtypes of CBT specific to trauma, which I think is fantastic, what you're talking about, uh, CBT, right? I'm talking about how a professional who has been in the market for years and has taught classes, we have to understand that just because

I graduated in TCC doesn't mean I'm a specialist in trauma. It's not because I'm a TCC that I'm a specialist in working with TDH ass approach right for any approach So I think that for trauma therapy you have to have this understanding in the first place that you have steps for you to live and know along with CBT therapy some other important techniques and approaches for you to follow that comes There are several forms of CBT emerging with this focus, this is what we say that there are services, trauma-informed people, that is, they know about

trauma and there are specific trauma services that were created for that within CBT, there are things that were created for that. All these therapies that I'm talking about internal Family Systems efs I also love and they were created to treat trauma so in my opinion I think that if this is a trauma Of course you should seek therapy a professional person who is able to take care of this exactly And Then everything will be fine, take care, right, do emotional self-regulation, don't force yourself, the speed of the process is the speed of your nervous system

and it knows what it's doing and desensitizing it, right ? there are so many techniques like that. There are so many cool things today with virtual reality, you can also get it with biof feedback, you know, you can work, for example, it's something that is being used a lot too because then you can get it there, wow, we're starting to get into the subject. But this issue is moving there, oh, we are having a Cardia attack . Are we monitoring this? Let's stop for now. Let's do some relaxation. Bring this comfort to this patient. It's

an example but there's various pieces of equipment also emerging, the discussion of treating trauma with psychedelics is huge in the United States, so people are researching the good things are coming, they are coming exactly, coming next Bru Is there a difference between Acute and complex traumas, each type must be treated as each type should to be treated, this person has already studied trauma a little so they are asking an elaborate question, talking about it, I liked it, dedicated, no, this is for the person to know that there is this difference, at least they understand a

little, they listen to you, they listen to you, At some point they It wasn't just like that, she was studious, I'm with you. There's a difference, yes, we consider it an Acute trauma. It's an episodic trauma, right? So, I don't know, a robbery is a rape that can also be complex, but in a little while we'll get to that, but an identifiable event in time that generally gives the person a feeling of before and after, that is, I'm alive and acute because it's usually a trauma. of shock is one of the categories which is a

trauma which is what society thinks is trauma which is a vehement unexpected threatening trauma Where there is a feeling of terror Anyway then this is a trauma Acute the complex trauma it will be a trauma of chronic nature experienced over time and generally within our main formative bonds father mother main caregivers and generally complex trauma it happens in a scenario where I can't fight or flee I get stuck in that so it's very common to develop complex trauma Obvious in the scenarios more extreme people who were imprisoned, prisoners of war, people who were kidnapped, anyway,

the person, not abused children, is not exactly neglected throughout their childhood, so they live in toxic homes, so the more chronic trauma And then sometimes the trauma, this chronic trauma, oh Wonderful people, now the answer is going to get better, people, because now the cheese bread has arrived. Now it's going to get better, I brought a napkin there. Thank you, today she's going to work out, she's wonderful, I love a workout, please , so the complex trauma like this in Agudo, we'll see This pattern of shock trauma in the complex, we also sometimes see traumas

that are not characteristic of such striking intensity, but for example, let's suppose that a child every time they go to eat with their family they suffer bullying of some kind, sometimes bullying kind of disguised here, little thing Wow, but she's eating too much, today we're hungry Wow, but there's no cake enough for that insidious one, so everything she eats exactly Wow, then she doesn't know why it's a whale because it's huge, so that's what we could say It's a shock trauma in the ipsis litres category, no, but if I live this every day for 10,

20, 30 years, it will change my personality, the way my brain operates. And then it would fall into the complex category, exactly perfect as each type should be. treated then acute and the complex is more of a chronic one it's that whole thing like every day I saw complex it can be a lot of things this term is very broad in psychotraumatology but in general it is chronic it has a relational basis so it makes it more difficult to be so here we can get bullying, violence, psychological violence, that thing of every day of torture,

that abusive boss who arrives here like I'm in the car, he stopped, the motorcycle took me out of the car, he kidnapped me, that's exactly the point. and they are treated differently, of course, it is generally much easier to treat the acute than the complex, because one of the characteristics of the complex is that it happens early, too, and it is within the structure of the exact personality And then the The show is much more difficult, the high pitch exists, it is very heavy, but that's what happened there, it doesn't necessarily structure the personality, it

can be, but it doesn't necessarily, it's complex, it's usually inside, that creates a problem, the high pitch. Generally I'll work on stabilization. and safety and I will wait for that adjustment phase after the event that usually takes up to 30 days, meaning that it is normal for the person to have symptoms, no It's worth treating while she's having it, I'll go there, many therapists make mistakes, you know, the trauma will be treated soon, you don't have to wait a little bit and it's just a little bit to pass that ISO Then when the person is

well, you know, in the case of I'm going to process this trauma that generally involve, according to the theorists that I follow, the discharge of this traumatic energy that was retained, so this involves a more corporal basis in therapy, completion of interrupted responses So I wish I had pushed aggression and I didn't push there is a sensorimotor movement Locked in implicit memory now I got very technical out of nowhere, no, anything, we dilute it here, sorry , there are times when my head has been there, right, perfect, so there are things esp. In short, there

are specific things that I do in the treble that will generate relief, and the complex at times is substantial. sometimes it happened in the sentence in the pre-verbal phase sometimes there is no declarative memory sometimes it is a sum of things there is not one when it is Acute you are going to trauma therapy You have a memory a specific target Oh I go to this memory the complex Where is the target, I don't have an origin Clara, it's permeated in the circuitry, it's a very difficult thing, this is where we need more studies, and

we already have some prerogatives that we think are good for treating complex trauma, but that's it. It's the hornet's nest, this is very challenging because it involves, then it starts to interact with what you eat, what you drink, your physical exercise, you don't do, eh, genetic predisposition to disease, predisposition to mental disorder, it starts to turn into a B, then generally the complex is already complicated. with some specific illness that is very common, so there's a way to deal with it, there's a way to treat it, it's more and it's generally exact, it's complex and

it will generally involve safety, if you could summarize it, safety, bonding, and also in therapy, this is very important, it's a key piece, and patience, Perfect, we We have all this, we convince patients to have it because when you trust, patience comes, it's close Bru, what is the role of family and friends in the recovery of someone who faces emotional trauma, my God, it's welcoming, the role is the most important role and that involves as we are a society that doesn't learn to feel when the other feels it deregulates us we get extremely uncomfortable because

we don't allow ourselves to feel so the other is crying the other is having an anxiety attack I go into my own deregulation so the main thing you can do for a traumatized person If you can't stay regulated, which I know sometimes you can't, is at least Don't judge, at least don't let him talk, let him be, don't interrupt the person's expression, let him put that out exactly Don't come with this little talk but it's already been over, it's been three days exactly don't get over it, otherwise life won't move forward, this type of talk

is very invalidating for the person, it reinforces stress, it reinforces feelings of loneliness and a One of the characteristics of trauma is the feeling that I am alone with my pain so don't Reinforce that and sometimes it doesn't stay either oh it doesn't stay that way I think that That's a part of it That's a spiritual belief of mine everything happens for the good but sometimes Sometimes you say this kind of thing to someone at that moment the person wants to send you PR that place happens well It's because it wasn't with you exactly you're

not being exactly empathetic so sometimes keeping our beliefs to ourselves and simply presence so it's welcoming presence I can't know what you're feeling and really only what the person is feeling is what they know and I'm sorry that this has happened I don't know if you want me to be here or not but if you want I'm here with you You are here ready, I am at your disposal I imagine it must be very difficult, is this perfect or for example how can I help you? This is a very good question, exactly let the person

verbalize their need, how can I be present? for you this this how I help you Exactly this is very good next let's get one please Guys, I'm going to eat it quickly, for you too, right, it's here, let's put it here , take it, let's eat, if she's going to be shy, she's going to be shy. Of course it will if we don't eat with her she's going to fic no we only eat if you want Because I already ate it I've already started let's not rosari it's delicious and then give me the recipe Wow

hum This one belongs to who hum This cheese bread is good because there are some that are kinda mosiba This is from ros mar ros Marie hum ho Today the gym is like this, it's Fitness You're lucky Gym Day Gym Day she looks like this, oh she's golen she gets it, I get it but I'm lucky I attract good things PR My friend, I saw it on Pão de Queijo day, if anyone didn't come, anyway, go look at what's emanating, I emanated cheese bread, then, let's go, what are they, you can eat them slowly? Of

course you can, everything here is allowed, I loved it. answering the community's question everything is welcomed chat people if you want to cry no one will say don't cry they will say it's a tissue oh people you are wonderful seriously yes I'm serious F good energy I liked it let's go What are the most common challenges faced when searching help for psychological trauma is good too, Mariinha, I'm not going to lie to you, a common challenge, first of all, is for the person to recognize that they need help, uh, let's start there, the reality is

that something in you needs to have a motivation, no matter how small it may be, weaker than I want to change this situation or this doesn't make sense to me but there's no point in forcing someone to go to therapy for example Oh you're traumatized I listen to the podcast I'm sure L therapy and she's golden rosemary who has nothing right No trauma so there is a myth, you know, like ah, the person doesn't seek help because they don't want it , it's complicated F that, right? The first thing is the person, one of the

things I wanted to convey here is Hope, you know, because sometimes hope is all a person needs for them to make a move, so the first challenge is that the person generally doesn't know that they are traumatized, actually, secondly The challenge is like I told you about 88%, right, that's in the United States, so in the United States, 8%, let's remember people, 8% of PhD professionals are only ready to treat trauma, not even prone, they've had training, that's exactly Theoretically, I don't know what it is. So, there is a very serious training problem in Brazil

in relation to very serious psychological trauma, but even if we humbly want to pursue this purpose, people, for the love of God, let's go, let's train these people, go there too, I don't have any competition for me Uhum I want to help people I want everyone to talk whoever wants to talk will talk so we need to train people and I think the main challenge in Brazil, especially you don't treat trauma if the person is in a state of survival, but in Brazil the people live constantly survive and this creates a problem because imagine how

violent it is for me to turn to someone who doesn't have anything to eat but you know you're traumatized obviously she's telling me something new you're traumatized and now I know you don't have the what to eat but Let's sit here to process a little trauma and let's work on it but it's interesting Then we think about how we're going to get it with me, no But it's interesting that when even these very fighting, very fighting people have a very difficult reality when they listen and it's the moment to open a CL these people are

willing, they are willing. Of course, what I'm talking about is that I want to go there, right ? Because processing trauma involves turning off the brain's alarm system, but for this person, sometimes I can't even turn it off because they need it, they live in a community, sometimes ex, how am I coming back, exactly how am I, if the treatment assumes I turning off an area of ​​the brain that she needs to be turned on every day for her to survive privation am I helping or not helping if I help her to turn off then

what I'm trying to say is that the trauma permeates it is a social issue it permeates a lot more than the knowledge that we are bringing here, which is wonderful, and sometimes we only hear it here a lot has already changed, of course, but I see it as a structural and structuring social problem that would need governments to really be I think these are the main challenges, not knowing much more professionals and the fact that it is structuring It depends on other factors which even depends on which group the person belongs to, right, that there

are other layers of stress, it can even reduce the state of stress, but you can't eliminate it otherwise that person won't live it, what you got is survival, the jungle isn't enough for you putting a lion in the jungle ex exactly with the person without any survival response linked to him super Can you believe it, the Lion is going to die, you know, so we also need a level of stress that leads us to survival, otherwise the person will lose their ability to deal with her life to react right next Bru you the feeling of

guilt speak slowly so she can talk to me and I 'm going to talk Sens the feeling of guilt and shame for sexual abuse in childhood is paralyzing How to overcome these feelings and free myself from this Emotional burden is really a complete trauma, it's exact and she's probably already in an adult phase and we realize, right, that she's still living and we know where it comes from what's dysregulating her but she's having difficulty, there's a lot of information there uhum, first of all I'm really sorry, I'm definitely going to look there real quick, I'm

really, really sorry, no child should go through this, it's a tearing pain, my heart is enough, I feel it It feels like a little bit inside me, Uhum And I'm really sorry, and it's really nothing that we What you can talk about here will mitigate what you went through, but I think what we can talk about here can bring some hope that we won't erase what you experienced. But as I said about the podcast, you can see life with different eyes. It's possible that when you say it's paralyzing, it's actually paralyzing, guilt and shame are

central feelings in the experience of sexual abuse, so it's perfectly normal that you're feeling this and when you say it's paralyzing, it's probably because your nervous system reacted to it. trauma with a strategy that we call freezing or collapse we can react to trauma with fight and flight which are responses from the sympathetic nervous system so they involve movement, right, and such exact resistance Or we can give up instead of resisting because we understand that there is nothing I can do about that threat because if it's an adult abusing a child, they can't fight, they

can't run away , so we're going to use a more primitive defense strategy, which is freezing and collapsing, and that's as if we put our entire system in hibernation with this strategy. So it's inhumane, I see a lot of trauma survivors in a state of hibernation, freezing and collapsing, charging themselves because society is completely sick, right ? the person becomes when you saw an experience of collapse the freezing thinks about the animals pretending to be dead exactly that they ah ah are pretending No, it's not pretending, it's a biological response, right, like They don't talk,

I'm not going to pretend here that I'm dying, right? to think about it is as if it were a near-death experience. Even the collapse response is a preparation for death, the body aware of endorphins is the most dissociative response and people, for example, even have an account in a book by Peter Levini, which is a Trauma author talking about a guy who was bitten by a lion, he was there, right, playing with the Lions. Finally, at one point he was bitten and he says that he couldn't feel pain while the lion's teeth were inside his

own flesh, he was so dissociated because this answer was more like this for this spectrum here that what this means is God is so wonderful that he prepares us we have an internal mechanism to not feel the pain of Death this is too beautiful I think it's even poetic So you start to feel endorphins, this endorphin that is released, causes you to have an echo of that feeling of near death, so you know, that person is in zombie mode, generally they lived a traumatic experience that led them to a collapse response and when they come

back there is an Echo of this experience as if it were an Echo, there is no other way a shadow of this shadow experience and in addition, dissociative states for many people are pleasant because they involve endorphins. So people not by chance become addicted to opioids or different things but similar Expo exactly so don't worry about yourself, that's how it is, this is a symptom that is revealing that you probably experienced something that broke your limit, it wasn't just a break, it broke your limit, so to overcome these feelings and free yourself from this Emotional

burden is some of what we've already talked about here, but mainly any type of thought and feeling that doesn't come from a place of self-compassion is the main thing that Obviously trauma therapy But what I would do is you have a technique which is called internal Family Systems, which is a trauma processing technique and it advocates that we have several parts and that it is not the whole of you that feels guilt and shame. There is a part of you that feels guilt and shame. That alone changes everything because I create a distance is not

the whole of me It's a part of me and you can connect with that part of you just like we do, for example, with the inner child So okay, today I'm going to talk to the part of me that feels ashamed about this abuse, what she has to tell you what she needs to feel safe You can ask this part directly as well as with the guilt part and there is a book in Portuguese called There are no bad parts which is a translation of a book so ordinary people can using the technique outside the

therapeutic setting, I advise you to read this book because it will help you a lot to process guilt and shame and take care of yourself, my love, because I imagine it was very tiring, there is much more than we imagine, right, people, the index of sexual abuse, it's huge and it's usually within the family, right, and it's silent, exactly close Bru What's the name of the book, there are no bad parts there are no bad parts That's already a good tip Natasha I left an abusive relationship but I still feel emotionally trapped, how can I

free myself from these ties and move on, first experience the grief related to this ending. Even if you are aware that this relationship was abusive, at some point you loved this person, you did projects with this person, you created scenarios of what be what would happen and whether the person would improve or not then and you may already be 100% resolved if it is you skip this step of what I'm talking about but generally we don't want to experience the grief of what we went through because it was abusive so we want to create a

total and complete distance and if that was the only thing you were able to do, that's okay too, but ideally you would process that, it's okay for you to have mixed feelings, right? Like I hate this person for what they did But I I also love, it's okay for you to miss and be angry at what the person did and not want to be with them at the same time because that's what makes abusive relationships so challenging because in the same source of pain there is love and that generates a very complex feeling PR person

who is living So normalize you having dubious things dubious feelings normalize you one moment you miss it another time you want to send it to that place Live the mourning of it and especially Look what in my story caused me to end in this relationship we are talking about what generated the pattern of the abusive relationship, which are the traumas And then when you look at it, I'm talking as if it were a simple thing, right ? for your traumas Mainly relational, the chances are that you understand why you endured unbearable things, exactly BE, why

sometimes you find yourself missing because the longing is not for the abuse, it is for the good expectations that you had, so in reality you miss the good feelings that you had the longing is for the good people that we imagined ex is very common also for traumatized people Obviously she is also abusive traumatized people a mix that happens very often it is very common the person has no internal reference of what love is Uhum She has no internal reference than it is acceptance of what is respect depending on her upbringing so Firstly she cannot

identify what is happening as disrespect she may miss what she does not know exists exactly And then any crumb that the person gives as for her there is a very big hole in that It makes sense to her that no matter how small it is from an external point of view, it is nutritious and sometimes the thought of freeing herself from not having that crumb anymore hurts a lot and the person remains that's why you're saying something that I think is fundamental teach people to welcome and love themselves because if you don't have anyone who

gave you their references you will have to create you will have to be a mother to yourself you will have to be a father to yourself because if you can create what you you didn't receive and the Brain has this wonderful capacity for creation that you have to use it if you manage to create you never again accept not being loved the way you welcome yourself and sometimes imagine your little child hugging her, right And telling her you will have I need to learn to be the mother who welcomes me exactly and say to her

I'm sorry you didn't have references but I 'm going to be your reference now I'm going to protect you I'm trying hard to do this this works a lot when you don't have references even to Sometimes children who were adopted don't have any reference, there's nowhere to look for, like let's take them Let's create and the person is capable of that too, yes, it's beautiful, I think this part of healing with the inner child is fundamental, I just healed myself. There are many Pillars, but one It was definitely that every time I felt triggered I

imagined myself there with my child welcoming you know this is very good if if the trauma you give the external healing power support network is very cool but this way only you felt only you Only you know the size of the hole and only you will be able to penetrate this most intimate hole and the crossing is yours alone in fact because the therapist won't cross for you either, it's like he may be on your side but at some point you will have to walk alone la cur belongs to the person, always, right, perfect, next

Bru Fi, a victim of bullying at school and years later, I still feel anxiety in social situations, how to overcome these feelings and feel more confident, I think it's a little bit of everything we've already talked about, bullying, I feel like It's a trauma that's increasingly becoming more important , right ? mass in the United States to try to find a pattern, a pattern among them, they didn't find a pattern, but one of the things that was very highly correlated was the experience of bullying, just so that we can begin to understand the level of

consequence that it can have for us to experience bullying or bullying. it will interfere with our sense of identity, which is the basis of everything, right, how I feel, right, my sense of identity defines what I feel I am capable of, defines what I feel I deserve, so it will affect structural structures of not belonging and we are mammalian beings who seek bonding so break with both with both structures Wow, that's the bond And authenticity and then that's it and I'm saying all this because generally the person who oh but it's just bullying, right, I'm

not I was raped Oh but no it's not my love it's like in fact bullying could have left severe marks so first of all is experiencing the grief of it you know every trauma we have to live the grief that we went through it was difficult yes you are in yours right to feel this way yes so it is it is it is really looking at it for what it is it hurt If you allow yourself to feel this it will normalize your anxiety symptoms because Obviously anxiety in social situations Of course the social situation

is the trigger for your brain Of course the social situation for your brain is danger danger get out of here it's going to happen all over again things are happening that's exactly where it happened so I would experiment in addition to everything we said start to understand in which social cycles I feel a little safer even though it's not 100% one little else where I feel that if I go there is a better chance of not being bullied avoid be in circles where circles where you know this is going to happen expose yourself to safe

social situations because when you are there it will be uncomfortable your brain will want to avoid any social situation but when you are there and it is a little safer stay present for ih yeah this time there was no buling Ah interesting, next time this time I felt a little very interesting this time this hug even It was good because this will make your brain change the synapses in relation to the social situation it will create a new synapse like maybe there's a social situation where I don't get bullied and for that to be processed

you have to be safe because this cognitive processing won't happen if you're all crazy at the time of the social situation so look for a safe social situation and you desensitize yourself a little bit and if it's very very difficult, do virtual reality therapy, right? It's very interesting when you do virtual reality and with the therapist there processing it. It's like if you go, you create a resistance to coping Yes, and obviously, this is a way to take advantage of what you said to make an addendum. There are many techniques that involve very direct contact

with the elements of the traumatic experience, such as disposition therapy, virtual reality therapy, amdr itself, whoever has already done it, you know that you arrive very quickly at the CNE of the issue, this is all necessary, I would add, it's not that I would change the technique, I would add extra care because the clues that the person went past the window at the time are not always so easily identifiable, they begin to entering into a re-experience during the therapeutic process that is strengthening the trauma so Eh, what these trauma authors that I follow say is

let's always let's go for the sin for the excess of care for safety Let's go little by little so I would just add this but really slowly, right? with the security of someone very present close Bru growing up in an environment of domestic violence left deep marks on how to begin to process and heal these emotional wounds from childhood That's how I imagine it, I'm also a victim of domestic violence So I deeply understand the deep marks that you you're saying, violence is already considered both emotional, verbal and physical, one of the main forms of

abuse in childhood, so this changes the way your brain works, so don't blame yourself for having certain behaviors, the good news is that the brain It's plastic , right ? seeking security is seeking bonding is asking yourself to make a list of resources, for example, what are the things that make me feel insecure? Especially in those moments that remind me of triggers, so for example I have a list and I do this too with all patients tell me everything that makes you feel good is this playlist is imagine there is a patient M who if

she imagines herself in the sea she feels good so know have these resources at your fingertips and also the part I mentioned about ifs can be very good for of this book that I recommended, there are no bad parts, it can be very good because some techniques such as focusing and internal Family Systems are very easy for the person to use on themselves to a certain extent because they will never replace a therapeutic therapeutic process But I I also really believe in empowering people with practices that they can do, such as expressing their feelings in

writing, this is already scientifically validated, so letting out what you're feeling is So all of these are things you can do. in addition to seeking therapy, there will never be as many therapists as needed, so we also invest in individual empowerment, it is fundamental as a public policy to deal with trauma because many people are self-taught, that's it, that's enough, you can do it, it gives a The turn of the human being often surprises, Bru Natasha, I was abandoned by my parents as a child, this left a deep mark on me, how to deal with

emotional pain and the feeling of rejection, hmm, this question opens up an image for us to talk about some things that I consider relevant, everything we've already said before, do you ask these questions all together or is it a separate from each other they are not separate they are separate um That's why sometimes it repeats a little bit no yes because I want to know if I need to repeat something I already said no no no ok, so my question I totally understood what it is because it's a one It's also a traumatic issue, so

everything that you already are is valid , so it's just with this detail that I think it was his job to identify the cattery, and he already knows that I'm going to say it every time he feels rejected, which makes me want to say everything I said before. and But come on, so I also recommend watching all the other answers I gave because trauma, in short, there are some principles that are for all types of trauma, but and being the experience of being abandoned by your two parents will obviously leave a very deep mark because

It's as if the base, the structure that generates your imprint of how to relate has been completely changed, right, so this is a very relevant thing. And how do I deal with emotional pain and the feeling of rejection, first you'll need to give what you didn't receive from your parents, so there's a process in therapy that we call reparenting, they couldn't give, so obviously validate the feeling of rejection because it was something you felt in childhood and allow your child to hear from you what she needs to hear it to become stronger This is an

inner healing work that will be very important with you, another thing I want to say is Don't be in a rush to forgive because when you start to enter this world of self-knowledge, they will tell you you have to You have to forgive and often this ends up doing I think the concept of forgiveness is beautiful, that's not why I'm saying it but it's because this has to forgive often makes you feel angry. I don't want to forgive because it invalidates yours. feelings that need to be expressed in order for you to forgive, so my

guidance is always to work on your trauma and forgiveness will come on its own . because you don't forgive, you don't forget, you simply are no longer stuck in that feeling, because as you heal you will begin to access not only the root of your pain but what caused the person you will start to reflect on what made that person act like that, at some point in the healing process you will open up a little space for compassion, not just self-compassion in the sense that people who hurt are definitely hurt and we also hurt others.

others yes, so it will start at some point in your process of self-knowledge to reach awareness and that is the coolest part this happened to me at least I feel that all the traumas I experienced I managed to recover from them so I feel whole so yeah as if there was nothing that my traumas had taken away I managed to be whole despite that And if they didn't take anything away my feeling is that there is no one to blame or an algis because I am whole There is a part of me that no pain

can touching is what a person discovers when they work on themselves and when you discover that there is a part of you that no pain can touch, which for me is a spiritual part Opening a parenthesis here beyond Psychology Uhum you won't even have the need anymore to forgive will be a consequence it will come from your heart so I don't reject yourself since you were rejected don't reject your feelings don't reject who you are including who you have become because of your trauma embrace yourself work on your inner child and take your time, take

your time, get there next Bru ah, we arrived at a very special moment, um, it's a pipinho moment, this beautiful mascot we have called pipinho, I think he's a trauma in the form of a little harvester face, he's totally he's a well-known celebrity. Ana Beatriz's excited son is very polite, she doesn't let him listening to content, right, he doesn't let it happen, he only listens to good content, content and during the episode he prepared some key words that he says, it's a ping-pong game where his mother plays the words that he put together so they're

there he tells me Play here a lot and then how it will work she will say the word and whatever comes to your mind you say ok I forgot I don't know I'm here, nothing came but it has to be a word too or it could be a phrase it could be a FR but it has to be something stupid without much thought, that's what your brain plays, you know, I don't know what's going to happen, I like it, I don't even know what's going to happen and if you don't want to, pass pass because

he's polite, he respects What happens when queer is so trauma is that you read the principles there, people, you are very informed about trauma, no, but that's it, we always talk about this, so he was, I felt safe, he had trauma therapy, no, he was well educated. He was welcomed, he was, he is very loved, for example, he is Cotó, he has these disproportionate legs, he loves you like that, we accept him as he is, today he already thinks he is a charm in addition to the fact that he has people, I loved it, okay,

so let's go one fundamental self-knowledge two love the essence of everything three life purpose ok four if you could travel in time would you go to the past or the future and why to the past to hug my father at the moment he was doing that to my mother and say to him that I forgive him and that I am sorry that he was led to do this perfect five happiness people six Complete the sentence self-care is for me to connect with my spirituality seven if I could choose one skill or superpower what would it

be and why take away people's pain, this is the first time, right, seven, not eight, a longing for my father, nine, resilience, oh people, for me, it's a by-product of my healing, perfect, and 10 a sentence, a thought, can be a sentence from someone I know, can be a thought, can be a thought that reminds you of something The phrase doesn't have to be so literal, the phrase is, is, is, is, the phrase is in fact there is a part of you that no pain can touch, this part is connected with God, it is spiritual

and the journey to heal our traumas in us give as a gift finding this part so I know it's challenging but it was the greatest gift I've ever received to date finding the part of me facing this part I know it brings a feeling of invincibility because please because if I suffer again and I'm subject to this, like every human being, I trust myself to get through it and I owe it to my perfect souls. Funny what she was saying, that song by Thiago York came to mind that we are all that faith can touch,

oh wow, that song is music a masterpiece of his, right by Thiago and Duda yes Duda my great friend including el marav You know you know Duda people I went to the International Lock Congress with her love PR last year pay attention people look you know people didn't know this information We didn't know people because there are people who come here and call Wow, it was So-and-So who recommended it to me, I said no, there's already been here that I saw it stop here, it's already been here, and this song, this song, it was channeled,

that cousin, That's what I always say, it's about talking about Tiago and D, they're the two composers, right ? now we have some goodies Alex's book about neur feedback in TDH treatment How beautiful a book of mine happiness that was written during the pandemic wow free depressive the three dimensions that I talk about spirituality then start talking we have that in common and this book windows of the mind are 12 stories of cases that I handled that I did with a friend, Eduardo Melo, who is from Mar, is in the marketing area but likes to

play with writing, I have loved studying since I was a child, you are giving gifts to the right person, you are giving sweets in a child's mouth it's not abundance Look, just abundance This here is an ecobag, calm down, an ecobag that's here, make it happen, insert it the way you're already doing it, you can, people, I went there, we calm down It's not over, you're so abundant, it's cheese AM has to be abundant This is a little notebook for you to write down all your projects for the next year, everything you write down will

come true, you can believe that, and then you'll have yours at home little tea to remember us guys, I'm not going to pretend like I'm used to it, okay, I don't think so, oh, okay, I'm here on your podcast, it's normal for me, right ? Calm down, it's not over, no, she thinks it's over now you're going to look at this camera here, you don't need to look at us, you can be rude and give all your messages, people, I think the main message I want to give isn't even about my work Personally, it's a

message of hope, and only those who have experienced trauma or deep pain know how challenging it is, how many times we think about giving up, we lose hope. So if we can spark a little bit of hope here, that's for me. mission accomplished in coming here and if you want to know more about trauma on my Instagram @natasha Ferraz you can find more information and there is an institute coming, right? With many things, God willing, exactly, so keep an eye out more than you feel in your heart one a little warm if that happened today

for me my mission is accomplished that's it thank you very much my love I thank you dear we are finalizing the kite dust episode and today it was with this wonderful natasa Ferraz if you don't know me I suggest you get to know her immediately, go to her Instagram @natashafrancasteffens of real empowerment, if you are not subscribed to the channel, subscribe, press the bell to receive all the news And if you think that everything we said here makes sense, share this information, thank you very much and until the next pod p